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Subject: as we march down to fenario From: Althea Date: 11 Feb 00 - 08:54 PM I am looking for information as to the origin of the name"Fenario" and the correct spelling: I have seen it several ways. Is this a real place? Where is it? I have just bought some land and a house and I am thinking of naming it "Fenario" because I really love the song, but I wanted to research it first. I would really appreciate any information I could find, I have never done this before. I really don't even know how to research something like this, thought this might be a good way to start. thanks! |
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Subject: RE: as we march down to fenario From: wysiwyg Date: 11 Feb 00 - 09:07 PM Are you new to the Mudcat? I've been visiting about a week, I hope you like it as much as I do. Your question porovided enough detail fdor m=to find it in the Digital Tradition databse here at Mudcat. At least aI think it's the same song. I found it by doing a search for the words [as we marched down], figuring not too many songs would include that line. Up popped: BONNIE LASS OF FENARIO So if you'll go to B in the DigiTrad, it's there, with chords! |
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Subject: RE: as we march down to fenario From: wysiwyg Date: 11 Feb 00 - 09:12 PM PS the tune is playable from the DigiTrad. Also, my husband has been doing osmnething fun. A lot of the fiddle tunes he's been learning have names of Irish towns, etc. in them, as in "Trip to Sligo." The tunes sound pretty sometimes and quite mournful at others, so he got curious about their locales. He has been able to find a lot of these towns online, either maps, or chambers of commerce that give some pictures and history, or in atlases and encyclopedias online. So theoretically you could actually find and "visit" Fenario and see if you would want to live there! Or of course just stick with how you picture it now. |
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Subject: RE: as we march down to fenario From: Amos Date: 11 Feb 00 - 09:21 PM Yopu'll find some history on this tune here, I think... (http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=4279) |
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Subject: RE: as we march down to fenario From: wysiwyg Date: 11 Feb 00 - 09:27 PM HOW DID YOU THAT? |
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Subject: RE: as we march down to fenario From: GUEST,James Bridgland Date: 11 Feb 00 - 09:40 PM The spelling I have seen most often has 2 N's & 1 R "as we marched down to Fennario" the JoanBaez Songbook describes it & writes her version. Can't imagine "What will your mother think? " if you thus name your house , but presume you want to. So have at it & let us know how it goes "with the soldiers all marching down before you - o" good luck! james |
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Subject: RE: as we march down to fenario From: Amos Date: 11 Feb 00 - 11:50 PM Praise: It was two steps...I looked up Peggy in the Forum search, figuring that a song that well-known but unclear would have been discussed, and someone mentioned in one of those posts looking up Fyverio (I think it was) which lead to the dissertation on Peggy-O... Ya get used to the wealth and the closets and storage halls of the Mudcat, ye can find most anything! A |
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Subject: RE: as we march down to fenario From: GUEST,Bruce O. Date: 12 Feb 00 - 12:51 AM The origin of that version (1880) is under "Pretty Peggy of Derby, O" in Scarce Songs 1 on my website. I now have a copy of the 1880 book it was published in. www.erols.com/olsonw |
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Subject: RE: as we march down to fenario From: GUEST,Terry Date: 12 Feb 00 - 02:31 AM Althea, the answer to your original question is that nobody knows where Fennario is. There was a thread last month about it which you may like to read but all the contributions were inconclusive. I think its just another case where an originally Scottish song has been "developed" in the folk tradition, as only the American versions have any mention of Fennario. All the best in your quest, Terry |
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Subject: RE: as we march down to fenario From: wysiwyg Date: 12 Feb 00 - 07:16 AM Aos, I was going to go to your Page to ask, but Althea's msaage inslcuded an interst in how to research, so.. did you find the Fyvie-o notes in the forum or in the DT? I see filenames entioned in DT for Bonnie Lass of Fyvie, but how do you open those? WHY isn't everything newbies need to know all in one place? (Yeah, like there can be a perfect world where what I need is known in advance, just dreaming...) Teach us oh masters of arcane knowledge, insane humor, and inane...delete delete |
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Subject: RE: as we march down to fenario From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 12 Feb 00 - 07:41 AM Having it this way, Praise, has the advantage that we can help each other work things out. When you do that to a newcomer, it makes you feel more at home, and it makes them feel it's a friendlier place. It's what you do at school in your second year, I seem to remember.
The Australian term "new chum" always feels much more appealing than "newbie" - do Australians still use it, I wonder? And I expect someone will tell me. ("Novice" would be a good word too, that we don't use - I suppose it sounds too much like The Sound of Music to most people.) |
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Subject: RE: as we march down to fenario From: wysiwyg Date: 12 Feb 00 - 07:46 AM I like "newbie"! I'm into newbie pride! (Someone will write song for this, I just know it, or already has...) In my head, it's newbie dooby doo. I spend so much time in my life being in charge that I actually like being the one who doesn't know much, I just get frustrated when my short little legs make it hard to keep up! |
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Subject: RE: as we march down to fenario From: Amos Date: 12 Feb 00 - 08:13 AM Trouble with Newbie Pride is, if you're a "good" newbie you learn quickly and then you're not... hmmm (ponder, ponder). |
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Subject: RE: as we march down to fenario From: wysiwyg Date: 12 Feb 00 - 08:30 AM Oh, no, I plan to take the most pride in the dumbest things I do, it's my only hope of keeping my ever-expanding head in my hat. Then too, once I'm done with Newbie Pride, you see, I can escalate to Newbie Glory. But next time I discipline my dog I may have to pee my pants because I'll be imagining you scolding, "Bad Newbie!! Bad badddd Newbie!" Because her name is Ruby, short for Little Ruby Hooby Dooby, and I'll be thinking o you, and your sense of humor is such that I won't be able to stay mad at her for long. So thanks a lot. My nephew informed me once that I was the Hooby Dooby, and I could never figure out what he meant until I got this particular dog, and she is a little hooby dooby.
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Subject: RE: as we march down to fenario From: Abby Sale Date: 12 Feb 00 - 09:21 AM Lesson 1. Once you Submit, it's too late to delete. Lesson 2. < BR > Lesson 3. Unless you have a fast line & little disk space, down load the DigTrad to your own machine. Lesson 4. As you clearly really know, push the buttons, twist the knobs - in time All Will Be Revealed. (Or you'll accept an as good as that works well enough.) |
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Subject: RE: as we march down to fenario From: Althea Date: 12 Feb 00 - 02:49 PM thanks for all the advice, including the slightly off topic newbie dooby doo. i was hoping actually, that fennario wasn't actually a real place. seems that fennario is the accepted spelling. seem to remember that simon and garfukel do a song that refers to the fennario song, i like that. this site is incredible, i can't believe it. what a wealth of information, i am loving life. thank you.
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Subject: RE: as we march down to fenario From: Amos Date: 12 Feb 00 - 04:45 PM In response to a hanging question mark above, the expression "FILENAME" when at the bottom of a set of lyrics is accompanied by a button to click in so you can hear asimple MIDI version of the tune. Not all osngs in the DB have them. You don't access the indicated file directly. Clicking on it in the browser brrings i tup as a little playback wiondow and the tune plays for you. There are also a lot of midi files of songs available through the Quicklinks drop down button set at the top of the page. Alternatively Click Here.. . A |
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Subject: RE: as we march down to fenario From: wysiwyg Date: 12 Feb 00 - 05:24 PM Amos, I got that on tunes, but how did you pull up the background notes on Fyvie? Pretty please? |
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Subject: RE: as we march down to fenario From: GUEST,Bruce O. Date: 12 Feb 00 - 05:43 PM The only traditional version with a name like came from a Mrs. Combs who sang it to Cecil Sharp in 1908, and she actually called it 'Fernario'. Her tune was a version of that in the book of 1880 that I mentioned above (and is not the tune for "Bonnie Lass of Fyvie, O",), so there's no question that it was derived from the book (which is probably by Rosina Emmet). You can probably blame the 'Fennario' on Joan Baez. |
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Subject: RE: as we march down to fenario From: GUEST,steve Date: 13 Feb 00 - 05:50 PM The tune "Pretty Peggy-O" is on the first Bob Dylan record and is a nice version at that. Steve |
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Subject: RE: as we march down to fenario From: GUEST Date: 13 Feb 00 - 08:56 PM What song did he sing to it? |
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