MP3 sites and MudCat Future

Subject: MP3 sites and MudCat Future
From: GUEST,_gargoyle
Date: 14 Feb 00 - 12:29 AM

For an "education" in the future of "web-music" please drop by MP3 and Video on this Sunday evening 02/13/00 there were over 3,600 users simulantiouslylogged in and down loading files. (My guess, would be that the MC might reach that with different users in the the course of a year.) Copyright, be damned, one CURRENT songmight be available through 30 different sites at the same time......they even have "Irish Folk"

Another site, that does not have video, but does have More Music Files is Napster
- 273,000 files and over 1,000 gigabytes.

February has been a delightfully busy month....more later.....I'm late, I'm late, for a very important date.

Have fun and enjoy....It won't replace the MC....but it IS part of the future of the MC.

Subject: RE: MP3 sites and MudCat Future
From: GUEST,_gargoyle
Date: 14 Feb 00 - 12:32 AM

This is the "GOOD THREAD" with correct links to:

http://www.napster.com - MP3 files 1000 gig

http://www.imesh.com - MP3 and Video

Subject: RE: MP3 sites and MudCat Future
From: GUEST,T in Oklahoma (Okiemockbird)
Date: 14 Feb 00 - 09:15 AM

Further information is at http://www.feedmag.com/daily/dy021000_master.html

T.

Subject: RE: MP3 sites and MudCat Future
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Feb 00 - 10:02 PM

These two sites on MP3 will amaze you.

Subject: RE: MP3 sites and MudCat Future
From: Max
Date: 15 Feb 00 - 06:55 PM

Wow, that napster is really great. Certainly the best way to get MP3s I've seen to date. Helps to have high bandwidth.

Subject: RE: MP3 sites and MudCat Future
From: GUEST,_gargoyle
Date: 16 Feb 00 - 12:04 AM

I consider myself a little "jaded" about the net experience....been there .... done most of it.

But these two sites TRULY.... "blew me away!!!" I cannot fathom a server that can carry that load....or its speed.....I MUST LEARN how they do it!!!!

Sincerely, folk....check it out....these two sites are one of the "seven wonders of the world" until June 00....when something else takes their place.

Subject: RE: MP3 sites and MudCat Future
From: MMario
Date: 16 Feb 00 - 08:26 AM

*sigh* until phone services upgrade their lines, mp3 won't do much for me, or anyone else in about a four county area around here. the lines are just too slow to download the stuff in any reasonable amount of time.

Subject: RE: MP3 sites and MudCat Future
From: Jon W.
Date: 16 Feb 00 - 10:33 AM

Mario--What is reasonable? There are download utilities that are available that can schedule your download for the middle of the night or whenever you don't care that your phone line is tied up for hours. I use Go!zilla which is available at mp3.com. (Of course you'll have to download that too) It will even restart the download from the current spot if you connection gets broken partway through.

Subject: RE: MP3 sites and MudCat Future
From: MMario
Date: 16 Feb 00 - 10:41 AM

My available connection time at home can be measured in minutes.... - very rarely is the computer available for more then half hour. and usually when it is, the phone lines aren't. 56k modem, 56 k connection, in 2 years have not had a connection better then 19.2; frequently down at 9600

Subject: RE: MP3 sites and MudCat Future
From: Max
Date: 16 Feb 00 - 12:45 PM

gargoyle, they do not route the transfers through themselves, they facilitate the direct connection to other members of the service, so the load on their servers would be nill. These both create direct transfers between users.

Subject: RE: MP3 sites and MudCat Future
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Feb 00 - 01:41 PM

yep...I tried IMesh last night..it worked...and THEN I realized how it worked...you are defining part ot YOUR hard drive as accessable to anyone who wants to come get files! part of the setup for Imesh says..."Imesh will now search your drive for any media files you might want to 'share' with others"...you CAN cancel that part, but that is what is happening...you are turning your machine into a mini-server if you participate, and I am not sure I like that!...I guess if you are just trading MP3 files, it might be ok, but it DOES give the user at the other end your IP address directly!!! I use a 'guard' program (AtGuard) which is now part or the Norton family, and for the 30 minutes I tried out Imesh (just searching for a few image files), AtGuard would stop each contact and prompt me, "do you wish to accept an incoming contact from 211.98.210.44 ?, etc...meaning that by copying that # I would know (or 'could' know) exactly where the file was coming from, meaning someone's computer like MINE!..(some files would say 'not available right now'...meaning that whoever had that file listed was not online.

Now, if someone can attach a virus to a Word document, why not an MP3?...maybe not, but..I just am not ready to do this thing till I have read more about it. I stopped there and DELETED Imesh...if I want it back later, I can get it.I will sure be interested to hear & read more about this.

Subject: RE: MP3 sites and MudCat Future
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Feb 00 - 01:49 PM

so, you see, when gg says that one of these services has MORE files, it just means they have more 'members' offering files, like Ebay has more auction items, only Ebay HOSTS the entire procedure. Imesh only keeps track of the list of files and where they are, then YOUR machine goes directly to to the file!

Subject: RE: MP3 sites and MudCat Future
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 16 Feb 00 - 02:08 PM

I downloaded the Napster one which sounds similar to what BillD has described. I might be wrong but I can not imagine an mp3 as being a virus risk. Word contians a version of basic and can be programmed to do the not so nice things but an mp3 is only read and acted upon by another progaram.

Any connection to the internet is going to increase the risks of hacking and in this case, you are already making a directory publicly available but it doesn't worry me particulary. Most of the time, I have several internet programs open and frequently use my PC as a server for several pruposes that have inculded ftp and http.

Re the IP address, I am not concerned about people reading mine and in any case, it is allocated dynamically but some people may want to check their ICQ settings if they don't want this information made available. I use the IP info from ICQ frequently for the purpose of setting up a game of scrabble!

Jon

Subject: RE: MP3 sites and MudCat Future
From: GUEST,Okiemockbird
Date: 20 Mar 00 - 01:00 PM

Here is an interesting piece about how even the internet is not likely much to threaten the major labels' power.

T.

Subject: RE: MP3 sites and MudCat Future
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 20 Mar 00 - 02:00 PM

...didn't know this...may be your best link yet, T.

a major release frequently needs to sell 500,000 copies—go gold—before sales proceeds begin reaching the band's pockets.

Subject: RE: MP3 sites and MudCat Future
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Mar 00 - 02:16 PM

Mary in Kentucky, I'm glad you liked it. I thought I was already pretty skeptical about the record barons, but I was still shocked at the article's description of how shabbily artists are sometimes treated.

Question for the whole Mudcat: Is there anyone at the Mudcat who has experience with the major labels and can confirm or qualify the above-linked article's claims ?

T.

Subject: RE: MP3 sites and MudCat Future
From: MK
Date: 20 Mar 00 - 02:31 PM

Agree with Max. Napster is dynamic in terms of what is available at any given time. All downloads reside on the members computers, NOT on the Napster site itself. Napster is merely the conduit providing the links. But at any given time there are usually several hundreds of thousands of songs to pick from.

And yes the site is phenominal. I have already compiled 3 full audio CDs of variety music. Was just a matter of downloading the MP3 files and converting them back to WAV files, and burning them to CD.

Subject: RE: MP3 sites and MudCat Future
From: Jon W.
Date: 31 Mar 00 - 01:53 PM

Here's an interesting article speculating on the future of the music industry: click here

Subject: RE: MP3 sites and MudCat Future
From: GUEST,Okiemockbird
Date: 31 Mar 00 - 04:47 PM

Jon W, thanks, that's a good one. Rosenberg seems somewhat more optimistic than Brasheres (see link from my post of 3/20/2000) that artists will be able to use the new system to get a fairer share of their record sales than the conglomerates currently pass on to them. I'm not sure which of the two is more likely to be right.

T.

Subject: RE: MP3 sites and MudCat Future
From: GUEST,flattop
Date: 01 Apr 00 - 12:30 AM

The book 'Confessions of a Record Producer' (ISBN 0-87930-532-0) has interesting figures on record 'deals.' On page 140, the author shows how a group might sell 5 million units and still owe the record company over a million dollars.

Subject: RE: MP3 sites and MudCat Future
From: GUEST, Bob Zoggledosh
Date: 01 Apr 00 - 01:06 AM

For those worried about GoZilla, former Aureate spyware, and all that jazz, Zone Labs have a FREE Firewall for download that monitors all that stuff. Steve Gibson at GRC.com has a tool that can remove spyware from your computer.

A note about Napster. You don't have to make any folders available for sharing. You can be as selfish as you wish!

The Zone Labs firewall blocks my computer connecting to the Go'Zilla advert sites. I'm happy enough with with it all. Get GRC to do a port probe on you, and see what you have visible to the cyber world.

Safe Surfing!!

Subject: RE: MP3 sites and MudCat Future
From: Elektra
Date: 11 Apr 00 - 09:07 PM

If you want the REAL dope on the music industry, try this one. It also gives a breakdown similar to the one mentioned by flattop previously. In fact, I suspect it may be the same guy.

I have seen several "real" band/music sites linked to it and they all seem to feel it is an accurate portrayal of the recording industry -- from the inside. OUCH!!

As for Napster: I have been using it for a couple of months now and use it to listen to the music of bands I've heard OF but never listened TO. If I like what I hear, I buy the album; if I don't, I move on. On the other hand, I don't own a portable MP3 player, so for me there's no real temptation to "steal" the music.

*elektra*

Subject: RE: MP3 sites and MudCat Future
From: GUEST, A.C.
Date: 11 Apr 00 - 09:18 PM

And unfortunately, Elektra, there's one born every minute.

Subject: RE: MP3 sites and MudCat Future
From: Rob-IL
Date: 11 Apr 00 - 10:00 PM

another good place to find mp3s is at www.scour.net they make you download this program (similar to imesh) but the search is based on the website. just remember to type mp3 after the name... eg. "Mike Seeger mp3"

Subject: RE: MP3 sites and MudCat Future
From: GUEST,Okiemockbird
Date: 08 May 00 - 10:20 AM

Here is a Dan Gilmore column (San Jose Mercury News) on the Metallica/Napster/MP3 business.

T.

Subject: RE: MP3 sites and MudCat Future
From: Dale Rose
Date: 08 May 00 - 10:58 AM

Just slightly off topic, but I figured this was a good place to put it. Here is an article from the St. Louis Post Dispatch (should be on line a few more days) about Online radio stations battle with the recording industry over royalty fees Seems our licensing friends want more of that GREEN stuff.

Subject: RE: MP3 sites and MudCat Future
From: GUEST,Okiemockbird
Date: 14 May 00 - 05:05 PM

Here is an article in Salon about some of the negative on-line responses to Metallica's pursuit of Napster. There is a few link to news about a pro-Metallica response, too.

T.