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Subject: The importance of being From: Spider Tom Date: 17 Feb 00 - 05:15 AM It is not enough, just to be! As being a human being would suggest, that the very reason for our existance, is being. Human beings....just..being. |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: The Shambles Date: 17 Feb 00 - 05:32 AM I have been thinking about this lately. I have come to the conclusion that we tend to spend too much time 'doing' and not enough time just 'being'.
I am not a great believer in the 'work ethic', for the ones that came up with and imposed that ethic, tended to watch while everyone else worked. If folk were kept busy and exhusted they did not have too much energy for troublesome thinking. |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: Lady McMoo Date: 17 Feb 00 - 06:11 AM Ernest? Is that you? mcmoo |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: Spider Tom Date: 17 Feb 00 - 06:18 AM I'm not Ernest,honest!But I am sincere. |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: GUEST,Patrish Date: 17 Feb 00 - 06:24 AM I think being is good for one I for an hour every morning before anyone gets up, I sit and just be. It sorts out the chaos inside my head and allows me to think. I'm sure Earnest was right about the importance of being. kind regards Patrish |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: KingBrilliant Date: 17 Feb 00 - 07:11 AM Damned fine idea. Kris |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: Little Neophyte Date: 17 Feb 00 - 08:08 AM As an infant I think we start off just Being and then as we grow, we forget that ability of ours to just Be. We don't lose it, we just forget about it. Somewhere in our childhood we start to feel the need we must do something to prove our worth. As adults our lives seem to fill up with all sorts of activities and accomplishments to give us value. This kind of stuff can keep you very busy and far from just Being for a very long time. Then one day, we realize that everything we have been doing has become meaningless, and we start on a new holy grail back to our forgotten ability of just Being. Little Neo |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: Fortunato Date: 17 Feb 00 - 08:52 AM Little Neophyte et al You speak the truth! Do you remember the moment when the world became 'things' that had names? It was the moment your world divided into 'you' and 'not-you'. 'Being' is healing that division. What was you face before you were born? Fortunato |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: Fortunato Date: 17 Feb 00 - 08:52 AM Little Neophyte et al You speak the truth! Do you remember the moment when the world became 'things' that had names? It was the moment your world divided into 'you' and 'not-you'. 'Being' is healing that division. What was you face before you were born? Fortunato |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: Amos Date: 17 Feb 00 - 08:52 AM I think being is the ground of all doing; and that losing touch with that is what brings about the fretful, frenetic doing that seems so crazy in our times. When you remember who it is that is being, you are able to kinda "be" the whole of your concerns and they become a natural extension of your Being, much as our body itself is. Neither one is mandatory (bodies and doing) but they are both more fun when you remember who you are... |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: Crowhugger Date: 17 Feb 00 - 08:58 AM Fort-o, Healing that rift has made 'being' a very painful place. Doing goes a long, long way to taking one's mind - and heart - off that griefly reality. |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: Ringer Date: 17 Feb 00 - 09:14 AM I thought Little Neo had had a blood transfusion or something & become Banjo Bonnie. Or am I out of date? |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: Fortunato Date: 17 Feb 00 - 09:14 AM Crowhugs That turns it on its head. Always good to see things another way. Perhaps the next step after healing is moving meditation, where being and doing are resolved? kind regards, Fortunato |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: Amos Date: 17 Feb 00 - 09:14 AM Griefly, sweet 'hugger, is a frame of the heart, an added image to the things to be in the world... Being all things with intense good cheer and welcome is an exercise which can banish care. 's a matter of convictions, methinks... Phillersoffickally yers, A |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: Little Neophyte Date: 17 Feb 00 - 04:58 PM Bald Eagle, How about Little Neo, Banjo Bonnie and et al. I good friend was suggestion some 'et als' today. The cookie name suggestions had more of a hormone transfusion than a blood transfusion. BB |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: Lonesome EJ Date: 17 Feb 00 - 06:05 PM Well, I for one am certainly Ernest. And Frank. |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: The Shambles Date: 18 Feb 00 - 11:25 AM But are you Shaw? |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: Amos Date: 18 Feb 00 - 11:29 AM He was Shaw, but he was Frank with the wrong people and got Bernard. (groan)... |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: Mbo Date: 18 Feb 00 - 11:32 AM Did you know that the quote "Those who can do, those who can't teach" is by George Bernard Shaw? It figures that it would come from a scumbag like him. --Mbo |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: Troll Date: 18 Feb 00 - 11:33 AM If I don't do it, someone else will. To be is to do. Sartre To do is to be. Camus Do Be Do Be Do. Sinatra . troll |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: Mbo Date: 18 Feb 00 - 11:46 AM Ooby dooby do. Orbison. --Mbo
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: Molly Malone Date: 18 Feb 00 - 11:53 AM A college art professor was explaining to his daughter what he does for work. He said, "Well, I teach people how to draw." His 5 year old daughter replied, "Why, did they forget?" |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: GUEST,Patrish Date: 18 Feb 00 - 12:08 PM I posted earlier in this thread, saying that I am in a state of "being" every morning. Its the time I can solve problems, not by actively seeking a solution, but by just allowing one to sneak round the corner. I feel more like a small child in the mornings than any other time. "Being" is just being me, all alone not being someones wife, daughter, mother, friend employee....and the list goes on. I thoroughly recommend it, if anyone needs lessons in beingness, just let me know Patrish xx |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: Amos Date: 18 Feb 00 - 12:25 PM Why? Did they, too, forget? Yes, and yes...let them remember, one and all... |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: The Shambles Date: 18 Feb 00 - 12:27 PM Is it a case of Patrish makes perfect? Sorry. |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: Troll Date: 18 Feb 00 - 12:33 PM You should be.(grin) troll |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: annamill Date: 18 Feb 00 - 12:44 PM LOL Troll!! Do-be-do-be-do.. Thanks for the giggle! I'm about to get depressing, so those of you who don't want to go there, just skip this post. (I put this part in after I read what I just posted. Very depressing) I guess it kinda depends on who you are, doesn't it. Now I can "be" easy, because I like who I am, my life is good, my children are healthy, I have a wonderful life partner (Honey). I can go and sit on my river and "be". In fact, that's all I want to do with my life. Just "be". I'm working very hard so I can, in the near future, just "be". But there are ones who don't want to "be". People with dead eyes. People for whom "being" hurts like hell. They want to go. They don't want to stop for a moment. I see them everyday, sitting in subways, walking the streets, sitting in the park. Not the poor, even poor you can "be" happy. Others. All their lives they've had pain from one thing or another. I want to jump into them and show them it can be good to "be". To give them what I have inside that allows me to "be" content. Sometime I can see the hurt and the fear so clearly it scares the hell out of me. There is nothing I can do for them. It's not money, nor talking, nor food, nor clothing. I've seen it in all kinds of people, poor, wealthy, old folks, children (that hurts me the worse), men, women. Even when they're smiling.. their eyes are dead. Sorry. Just ranting. I've been thinking a lot about this lately. That's what my signiture "Love, annap" means to me. Here, have some love. I've got lots. Love, annap |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: annamill Date: 18 Feb 00 - 12:45 PM Damn! Never did that before. We didn't need that twice. Sorry! L.,A. |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: Amos Date: 18 Feb 00 - 12:51 PM Oh, I dunno, annap -- it was even better the second time! For reflection, I suspect that every dead eye and pained heart you meet is sitting on a time when they had to (as they saw it in the moment) give up being. This happens in time of loss, overwhelm, guilt or great pain. Makes it look like they are hiding; but they are just trying to find their own ways back home. Some are deeper lost than others, though. |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: GUEST,Neil Lowe Date: 18 Feb 00 - 12:57 PM So why is it such a sad comment on our times: that, increasingly, we have to chemically induce happiness? Yours in Prozac, Neil |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: Amos Date: 18 Feb 00 - 01:05 PM My $.02, for what it's worth, is that the same pain that causes an abandonment of being causes, as well, a solid entanglement with meat as a safe hiding place. Once you go down that path, chemical solutions to emotions are a logical trap that becomes exceeding easy to fall into withal. Well, you asked... |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: Peter T. Date: 18 Feb 00 - 02:01 PM annap reminded me of the loyal opposition. A few words from Baudelaire: THE PIT Pascal carried his dark abyss around with him. Everything is the abyss -- action, desire, dreams, Words! And through my hair the wind of Fear blows, making it stand on end. Above, below, everywhere: depths, desert, silence -- The terribly hypnotic emptiness of space. And in the dark of night, God's deft hand Paints unrelenting nightmares on the backdrop of my dreams. I fear sleep, as one fears a bottomless pit of horrors Leading somewhere vaguely terrible -- I see nothing but Infinity through every window, And obsessed with the dread of falling through space, My mind desperately seeks Nothingness -- Oh, never to be free of Numbers and Beings!!!! Charles Baudelaire (trans. p.t.) |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: Amos Date: 18 Feb 00 - 02:07 PM Right on, Baudelaire. It sure would be awful to be free of all those things and all those numbers; we might have to find some way to just be in ourselves and suffer Terminal Bauble Addiction Withdrawal. Thank God we have the Neil Young Center Steve Jobs Wing for Interminable Metaphysics... |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: Night Owl Date: 18 Feb 00 - 03:25 PM I wish you could all experience the miracles that happen sometimes,.....to "dead eyes".....when MUSIC is plugged in....and a person is allowed to just "BE"....without fear. |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: BlueJay Date: 18 Feb 00 - 04:50 PM THE SHAMBLES, in the first reply to this thread got it right. We spend too much time DOING, and not enough time BEING. By sheer coincidence, last night I read a NEWSWEEK article, (January 24, 2000), by a freelance writer named Diana Reynolds Roome. A native of England, she ntes that most European companies grant their employees four to six weeks VACATION annually, while in the United States, two weeks is the norm, if even that. This time off is for many people, their time of BEING. I suppose that, if you are one of the lucky few whose occupation equals the reason for being, this is no big deal. But for 95% of Americans, (myself included), our jobs do not define us. My time away from work is my escape to reality.
Lately, my best times of BEING are spent with my grown daughter, (one of my very best friends). She's re-uptaken the flute and has an incredible ear. She and her husband have a motel- really a group of cabins, in La Veta Colorado, with a big music room. We play for hours on end, with her husband and I trading guitar, bass and mandolin parts. I sure feel alive on these rare occasions.
My family lives an hour away, so these times are too few, considering I have to work five, sometimes six days/week, with two, sometimes three weeks vacation. My occupation as a nurse has provided an adequate but not opulent salary, but does not DEFINE ME. My time away from work comes closer to that. My main conclusion is that we Americans are really getting screwed. Any comments from you European Folkies? |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: katlaughing Date: 18 Feb 00 - 05:01 PM Annap, I know many people like that, also. They sometimes seem to be like hamsters spinning in a wheel. They are afraid to stop and actually BE. Amos, you said,every dead eye and pained heart you meet is sitting on a time when they had to (as they saw it in the moment) give up being. This happens in time of loss, overwhelm, guilt or great pain That may be true for some, but I've found that in those times of extreme stress, just Being is ALL I can do. IT is the only way I can find solcae to continue on through all of the pain of whatever as happened. I do understand the converse of that, though. My mother was the type who always had to be doing something no matter what had happened, except for one time when she gave up in depression. I believe her need to always be doing was what kept her from knowing how to cope with retirement. All the best, katlaughing
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: Crowhugger Date: 18 Feb 00 - 06:20 PM Fort-o and Amos, Heard and processing. |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: Bill D Date: 18 Feb 00 - 07:28 PM The Higher Pantheism in a Nutshell
One, who is not, we see: but one, whom we see not, is:
Algernon Charles Swinburne
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: Amos Date: 18 Feb 00 - 07:52 PM Damn, I hate it when someone in the 19th Century does that. Thanks for that remarkable post, Bill.
Kat, he/she who can retreat truly into being can face anything. It (IMHO) means you are strong enough to take your own point of view in the present of forces (emotional or physical) others might find overwhumping; so you come out the otherside of the storm with your wholeness intact, while another might have erected a whole facade of some sort (such as being manic, or being cold and aloof, or being constantly hypercritical or whatever) to sort of stand in for the gentler way of being they believe they have lost.
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: Lonesome EJ Date: 19 Feb 00 - 02:09 AM Have you ever felt like a wounded cow halfway between an oven and a pasture? walking in a trance toward a pregnant seventeen-year-old housewife's two-day-old cookbook? - Brautigan |
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Subject: RE: The importance of being From: Amos Date: 19 Feb 00 - 02:46 AM I don't think so...why'ja ask? :>) A |
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