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Subject: Penguin: I Wish, I Wish ^^ From: Alan of Australia Date: 19 Feb 00 - 09:15 PM G'day, From the Penguin Book Of English Folk Songs, Ed Pellow's rendition of the tune of I Wish, I Wish can be found here.
I WISH, I WISH
I wish, I wish, but it's all in vain,
I wish my baby it was born,
When my apron-strings hung low,
Oh grief, oh grief, I'll tell you why -
See also in the DT DIED FOR LOVE.
Previous song: The Grey Cock Or The Lover's Ghost. Penguin Index provided by Joe Offer
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Subject: RE: Penguin: I Wish, I Wish From: GUEST,Bruce O. Date: 20 Feb 00 - 02:39 PM Mrs. Cecilia Costello sang it on Leader LEE 4054. |
Subject: RE: Penguin: I Wish, I Wish From: sophocleese Date: 20 Feb 00 - 02:43 PM Nice again Alan, but I'm not sure you should say 'Cheers" after it. |
Subject: RE: Penguin: I Wish, I Wish From: Susan of DT Date: 21 Feb 00 - 10:21 AM see also #320 and Careless Love |
Subject: RE: Penguin: I Wish, I Wish From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 09 Jul 00 - 08:52 PM From the notes to the Penguin Book (1959): "Most English songs tell a story. However, there are also songs that are merely lyrical expressions of a mood -usually arising from love denied or betrayed. Such songs are not held together by any narrative; instead they employ a number of images and symbols that are combined and recombined in song after song. Thus whole songs may be made up from "floating" verses familiar in other contexts, or attached to other melodies. The verses of I Wish, I Wish are most commonly found either in the song called Waly Waly or in Died For Love. Jazz enthusiasts may be interested in the apron-low, apron-high motif, which re-appears in the Blues called Careless Love. It was also used by John Clare in The Faithless Shepherd, a poem largely made up of traditional 'floaters'". -R.V.W/A.L.L.
Professor Child considered Waly Waly to be part of the ballad James Douglas, and included it under his number #204; this assessment is nowadays less generally accepted.
@love @death @seduction
Other related songs on the DT besides those linked to above:
Waly Waly (James Douglas)
The Water is Wide
This group is DT No. #320, Laws P24
Additional information in the Forum (not an exhaustive list; mostly contributions from Bruce Olson):
Relevant entries at the Traditional Ballad Index:
There is a broadside version of The Butcher's Boy at Bodleian Library Broadside Ballads, printed by H. De Marsan, 54 Chatham Street, New York c.1860: Butcher Boy (Large image) |
Subject: Lyr Add: DIED FOR LOVE From: Snuffy Date: 10 Jul 00 - 07:37 PM Here's an example with "floating verses" from both Died for Love and the Butcher's Boy in the DT (and almost a narrative)
DIED FOR LOVE
There was a young farmer who once courted me
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Subject: RE: Penguin: I Wish, I Wish From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 10 Jul 00 - 08:25 PM Good stuff. Is this one published? Any chance of a .midi of the melody? Malcolm |
Subject: RE: Penguin: I Wish, I Wish From: Snuffy Date: 11 Jul 00 - 08:35 AM It's on a double cassette called "Many a Good Horseman, traditional music making from mid-Suffolk recorded 1958-1993", issued by Veteran Tapes of Haughley, Suffolk. The tape is all field recordings, roughly 40% singing, 40%instrumental (melodeon, concertina harmonica etc - NO STRINGS!!), and 20% talking about the old days. I'll post a midi tonight from home. I've made an ABC of all the songs on the tapes, and also typed out the words - PM me if you'd like these. |
Subject: Tune Add: DIED FOR LOVE From: Snuffy Date: 11 Jul 00 - 06:16 PM Here is the midi of the version of Died For Love that I posted on 10th July.
MIDI file: DIED4LUV.MID Timebase: 96 TimeSig: 3/4 24 8 This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here
ABC format: X:1 |
Subject: RE: Penguin: I Wish, I Wish From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 08 Jan 04 - 01:21 AM Lyr. Add: I WISH, I WISH 2 (Died in Vain) Grainger coll. 1906 ^^ A bold young farmer courted me, He stole away my liberty, He stole my heart with a free good will, Although he's false, I love him still. There is a flower, I've heard them say, That's called heartsease by night and day. I wish I could that flower find, Would ease my heart and troubled mind. Down in the meadows she did run, A-gathering flowers as they sprung, Some she plucked and some she pulled, Until she had her apron full. When first I wore my apron low, He followed me through frost and snow, But now my apron strings won't pin He passes by and says nothing. I wish to God my babe was born, And smiling on his daddy's knee, And I was dead and in my grave, And the green grass growing over me. I wish, I wish, but all in vain, I wish I was a maid again, But a maid again I cannot be Since that a young farmer lay still by me. There is a bird on yonder tree, Some say he's blind and cannot see. I wish it had been the same with me Before that I met with your company. Tune coll. by Percy Grainger, 1906; "widespread in Britain." I Wish I Wish Apparently many variants. |
Subject: RE: Penguin: I Wish, I Wish From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 08 Jan 04 - 01:37 AM Forgot to mention that the website with the Grainger version has a very good midi. |
Subject: RE: Penguin: I Wish, I Wish From: GUEST,KB Date: 08 Jan 04 - 07:20 AM Om & I sing a version that goes: I wish I wish and I wish in vain I wish I was a maiden again but maiden again I can't never be til the green apple grows on the red cherry tree Ah many's the night love with you I wandered Many's the night with you I've strayed And I thought our love would go on for ever but now I find that it was all in vain And I wish I wish and I wish in vain I wish I was a maiden again but maiden again I can't never be til the green apple grows on the red cherry tree Ah dig me a grave and you dig it deep my dear with the devil below me and the angels above and I will lay down and I'll go to sleep my dear and you tell the world I died for love And I wish I wish and I wish in vain I wish I was a maiden again but maiden again I can't never be til the green apple grows on the red cherry tree |
Subject: RE: Penguin: I Wish, I Wish From: pavane Date: 17 Feb 04 - 03:39 AM Just noticed this version in the Bodley collection, which doesn't seem to have been mentioned before: Brisk Young Sailor |
Subject: RE: Penguin: I Wish, I Wish From: pavane Date: 17 Feb 04 - 06:00 AM There is also a similar version in Bodley entitled Brisk Young Farmer - this one has the marble stone verse, unlike the Sailor version. |
Subject: RE: Penguin: I Wish, I Wish From: 8_Pints Date: 17 Feb 04 - 01:29 PM See also thread http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=65073&messages=101&page=1&desc=yes#1089284 created by Sue vG. Bob vG Make a link ("blue clicky") doesn't work as intuitively as I'd hoped! Grrr! |
Subject: RE: Penguin: I Wish, I Wish From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 17 Feb 04 - 02:05 PM Some verses in Randolph: I wish, I wish in vain, I wish I was a maid again, But a maid again I'll never be, Till apples grow on the orange tree. It was when I wore my aprons long, He followed me through frost and snow, But now I wear them under my chin, He passes by an' won't look in. Remember this and bear in mind, A constant friend is hard to find, An' when you find one good an' true Don't change the old one for the new. Must I be bound while he goes free? Must I love a man that don't love me? Or must I act a foolish part An' die for a man that's broke my heart? Mrs. Violet Savory Justice, Missouri, 1928. Randolph, Ozark Folksongs, vol. 1, The Butcher Boy 45B, p. 227 (new printing). A superior final verse: Upon my breast put a turtle dove, To show the world I died of love, Around my grave build a five-rail fence To show the world that i didn't have any sense. Mr. Otto Ernest Rayburn, Missouri, 1932. Ozark Folksongs, ibid., D, p. 228. |
Subject: Lyr Add: MAIDEN'S PRAYER and MINER COMING HOME... From: Joybell Date: 28 Jun 04 - 11:05 PM Sorry to add to this confusion but I don't think these two are here anywhere and I want to discuss rude songs that are not rude. 1. The Maiden's Prayer (different from the other one) Collected by John Meredith in 1959 at Gulgong NSW. Australia. Sung by "Cat" McManus who learned it from Alan "Killer" Riley - a truck-driver who got it from a tent-mate in the area of Bourke where they were trapping rabbits. Ref. "Folk Songs of Australia and the men and women who sang them" John Meridith and Hugh Anderson. 1967. THE MAIDEN'S PRAYER A maiden young and fair was she Who lived in high society A soldier brave and bold was he Who stole of her virginity And when her apron strings hung low He chased her through the ice and snow And now her apron strings don't meet He passes her by on the street Her father returning late one night He found her home without a light He went straightway up to her room And found her hanging in the gloom (2 lines missing) He took his knife and he cut her down And on her breast these words he found: Oh Father, Father dig my grave Place me beside a garden wall (sic) And on my grave place a turtle-dove To show this world I died for love. 2. A Miner Coming Home One Night From "More Rugby Songs" Sphere Books copyright Harry Morgan 1968. No information on any of the songs. A MINER COMING HOME ONE NIGHT A miner coming home one night Found his house without a light So he went upstairs to bed And then a thought entered his head He went into his daughter's room And found her hanging from a beam (sic) He took a knife and cut her down And in her hand this note he found: "My love is for a bold marine I always, always think of him And though he's far across the sea He never, never thinks of me (surprise!surprise!) So all you maidens bear in mind A good man's love is hard to find Dig my grave both wide and deep And rest my weary bones in sleep". They dug her grave both wide and deep And laid white lilies at her feet On her breast a turtle-dove To signify she died for love. The tunes for these two songs are identical. I'm aware that they belong with "The Butcher's Boy" too , but Oh! what a tangled web.. Joy |
Subject: RE: Penguin: I Wish, I Wish From: Susan of DT Date: 18 Jan 07 - 08:37 AM When songs have so many floating verses, it is hard to know how many versions to add to the DT. And, sometimes, which family to consider it to be part of. |
Subject: RE: Penguin: I Wish, I Wish From: GUEST,chaz Date: 20 Nov 08 - 03:40 PM i was told this poem once... A faithless shepherd courted me he stole away my liberty When my poor heart was strange to men, he came and smiled and stole it then when my apron would hang low, he came and sought me hrough frost nd snow, when it puckered up in shame, and i sought him he never came i wish, i wish, but its in vain, i wish i was a maid again, a maid again i cannot be, oh when will green grass cover me? i wish my babe were ne'er born ive made its pillow on a thorn i wish our sorrows both away our souls with god, our bodies clay |
Subject: RE: Penguin: I Wish, I Wish From: Ythanside Date: 20 Nov 08 - 09:00 PM In London city where I did dwell, A soldier boy I loved quite well, He courted me my life away, But now with me he will not stay. I wish, I wish, I wish in vain, I wish I were a maid again, But a maid again I ne'er shall be, 'Til apples grow on an ivy tree. I wish my baby it were born, And smiling on its daddy's knee, And me for years to be dead and gone, With the long green grass growing over me. She went upstairs to go to bed, And calling on her mother said, Give me a chair that I might sit down, And a pen and ink that I might write down. Her father came and the door he broke, And found her hanging from a rope, He took a knife and he cut her down, And on her breast this note he found. Oh, dig my grave long wide and deep, Put a marble stone at my head and feet, And in the middle a turtle dove, That the world may know that I died for love. From the singimg of my brother, a 2nd BTN Scots Guardsman 1950-1959. |
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