sheet music to these great songs

Subject: sheet music to these great songs
From:
Date: 09 Jun 97 - 10:54 PM

I love this data base I found lyrics to a lor of great songs, the problem is that I can only use this database to find the lyrics to "Tunes" I can already humm which makes it really hard to learn new songs, can anyone tell me if there is a book published with all this music... I would love to get the sheet music or rather a really thick book of tunes to learn please reply via E-MAIL to

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thanks

Subject: RE: sheet music to these great songs
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Jun 97 - 12:34 AM

For popular songs, it's pretty easy to get basic sheet music. Go to the biggest music store in town and look for "fake books." Hal Leonard music publishing of Milwaukee has a huge assortment of fake books, and many contain up to 1200 songs (for forty bucks). You can find lots of fake books at www.amazon.com by searching under "fake."

Folk music is a different story. You gotta look harder. In 1927, the one and only Carl Sandburg came out with a classic called "American Songbag," which you can often find on remainder racks in bookstores - mine has a $4.99 price sticker on it. John A. and Alan Lomax also collected and published folk songs toward the middle of the century, and some of their books may still be available. Sing Out! Magazine has published some 20 songs in each quarterly issue since the 1950's, and you can often find bound copies of the magazine in libraries. Sing Out" also publised two volumes called "The Collected Reprints from Sing Out! The Folk Song Magazine." The books each have some 300 songs, covering songs puglished in the magazine from 1959-64 and 1964-73. You can order these from Sing Out! at [phone] - or take a look at their Web site for these and other song books:

http://www.libertynet.org/~singout/

Well, that should be a good start for you.

-Joe Offer.

Subject: RE: sheet music to these great songs
From: Peter Timmerman
Date: 10 Jun 97 - 10:37 AM

Also, although Joe mentions it, do not underestimate the power of libraries. Depending on how good a talker you are, you can get a book through inter-library loan at least across most cities (depending on the rules and the country), and in cases where there were books on restriction (many libraries have sheet music, scores, on restriction) you can for a fee and signing a release form, get them to copy it, and mail it to you. My experience is that libraries do not have fake books, but mine had Joe Bob Tinsley! (see Gene Graham and the "Ghost Riders in the Sky" thread back a piece. Hours of fun! Yours, Peter

Subject: RE: sheet music to these great songs
From: Dale Rose
Date: 10 Jun 97 - 11:47 AM

If you are fortunate in living near some of the institution which specialize in archives of this sort of music, then you may want to pay them a visit and see just how much is available. This is not meant to be an all inclusive list of sources, but a few that you may want to investigate. Visiting their websites will give you more information.

http://ils.unc.edu/barba/sfc.html Southern Folklife Collection~~University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

http://www.etsu-tn.edu/archapp/aapprac.htm Archives of Appalachia~~East Tennessee State University at Johnson City.

http://lcweb.loc.gov/folklife/ American Folklife Center~~Library of Congress in Washington DC.

No website yet, but on the way! The Resource Center at the Ozark Folk Center~~Mountain View, Arkansas. Just yesterday, I was working on the song database which has nearly 7,000 entries so far, and growing almost daily, as Donna and the staff get to it. The database will direct you to which book or books in the Center's holdings the song is located in.

http://celtic.stanford.edu/tunesearch.html Not a library, but a great site which has an index of hundreds of tune books with reportedly over 35,000 entries.

http://www.mcs.com/%7Ehammerd/fvfs/outlinks.html#INDX The Fox Valley Folklore Society has a HUGE list of links to sites of interest to music lovers. I will not even attempt to describe the scope of this fabulous list.

http://www.dogpile.com/ And finally, do not underestimate the value of a good multi-engine search and a little ingenuity. I use dogpile, but I am sure that there are others. Since it searches 15 or more of the common search engines at the same time, I find it invaluable when searching for something out there on the fringes. Many times, I have not found what I was looking for until 8, 10, or more search engines had been gone through.

Hope some of this stuff helps somebody!

Subject: RE: sheet music to these great songs
From: Peter Timmerman
Date: 10 Jun 97 - 12:08 PM

Well, it helps me! Yours, Peter

Subject: RE: sheet music to these great songs
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 10 Jun 97 - 03:00 PM

We're working on making tunes available to y'all. There are a few problems: time, and its equivalent: money.

The Digital Tradition is a labor (!!) of love, which doesn't relieve its developers from the necessity of earning a living. As a consequence, improvements are often slower to arrive than you (or we) would wish. It's a given with us that we don't charge for the DT; the question then arises "how do we get time to do it right?" Or even just to do it better.

Advertising is iffy. As yet our one sponsor hasn't been able to note any appreciable increase in sales. Do any of you have any ideas? As for music, if you download your own copy of the DT, you also get a music player that will play some 3600 of the tunes. AND, you can find shareware that will allow you to print them (the Mac version already permits printing of scores).

Subject: RE: sheet music to these great songs
From: Peter Timmerman
Date: 10 Jun 97 - 03:21 PM

Dear Dick, as ever we are all grateful for your labours. Two suggestions to make some money, both however off net (or way off base). I don't know how anyone is going to make any real money on the net. (1) Why not do a Rise Up Singing supplement or complement using the database? They must be making money -- why not you? I appreciate that they went through a ton of work, but it would be easier to get money for assistance the second time around. (2) I can't be the only person who finds all the background stories about the songs fascinating. How about packaging the tunes and the stories (see Joe Bob Tinsely for details)? You could post in sequence let us say 200 songs, and ask people to submit stories about how they came to be written, the real story, etc. You could then edit it and publish it. yours, Peter. P.S. the other alternative is the Dick Greenhaus Karaoke Tapes...

Subject: RE: sheet music to these great songs
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Jun 97 - 07:45 PM

I suppose that if Digital Tradition ever published anything for sale, the Copyright Cops would blast this site off the face of the earth.

Dick, if cash contributions would help, just let us know who to make the check out to, and where to send it.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: sheet music to these great songs
From:
Date: 11 Jun 97 - 06:49 AM

Dick, I make extensive use of DT and am very gratefull for your efforts, as i suspect are the thousands of other users. Why not simply ask for subscriptions/donations , Id' join Joe Offer with my cheque Ted from Australia

Subject: RE: sheet music to these great songs
From: Peter Timmerman
Date: 11 Jun 97 - 11:41 AM

See, this is what happens when you work with a complicated mind. Cash! What a concept!

Subject: RE: sheet music to these great songs
From: Peter Timmerman
Date: 11 Jun 97 - 11:46 AM

P.S. Dick, you should start a new thread just on the topic of raising funds. People may not see this important discussion!!

Subject: RE: sheet music to these great songs
From: GUEST,Marian the Librarian
Date: 07 May 02 - 03:50 PM

I think this thread should be refreshed, cos it has good info on how to find tunes to songs in the DT and more.

Marian

Subject: RE: sheet music to these great songs
From: MMario
Date: 07 May 02 - 04:08 PM

midis for the tunes in the DT are available online throught this site - there is a clickable link for each one.

the Yet Another Digital Tradition will display sheet music for any of the songs with tunes in the DT.

More midis are available on Alan of Oz's Mudcat Midi page

And I can provide quite a few more as midi or as Noteworthy Composer files.

The list of "found tunes" (songs without tunes in the DT whose tunes have been posted or submitted through the GREAT TUNE SEARCH is available on request.