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Lesser known folk groups

Big Red 26 Feb 00 - 07:22 PM
Amos 26 Feb 00 - 07:41 PM
Bud Savoie 26 Feb 00 - 08:42 PM
DonMeixner 26 Feb 00 - 09:07 PM
TheOldMole 26 Feb 00 - 10:57 PM
kendall 26 Feb 00 - 11:06 PM
Arkie 27 Feb 00 - 01:00 AM
raredance 27 Feb 00 - 02:00 AM
catspaw49 27 Feb 00 - 02:07 AM
M. Ted (inactive) 27 Feb 00 - 02:34 AM
Stewie 27 Feb 00 - 04:31 AM
Tiger 27 Feb 00 - 07:33 AM
Eric the Viking 27 Feb 00 - 07:41 AM
kendall 27 Feb 00 - 09:29 AM
GUEST,Gibson Flunge 27 Feb 00 - 11:56 AM
Gary T 27 Feb 00 - 02:06 PM
GUEST,Wesley S 27 Feb 00 - 06:18 PM
GUEST,beachcomber 27 Feb 00 - 06:28 PM
Sandy Paton 27 Feb 00 - 10:00 PM
Banjoman_CO 27 Feb 00 - 10:34 PM
Stewie 28 Feb 00 - 02:32 AM
kendall 28 Feb 00 - 08:46 AM
GUEST,Aldus 28 Feb 00 - 09:30 AM
GUEST,aldus 28 Feb 00 - 10:06 AM
GUEST,Rockaday Johnny 28 Feb 00 - 10:48 AM
Arkie 28 Feb 00 - 10:53 AM
Tiger 28 Feb 00 - 11:38 AM
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Ely 28 Feb 00 - 09:03 PM
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Sabra 29 Feb 00 - 12:47 AM
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rangeroger 29 Feb 00 - 02:04 AM
Ely 29 Feb 00 - 08:11 AM
Troll 29 Feb 00 - 08:19 AM
Bud Savoie 29 Feb 00 - 08:27 AM
Duffy Keith 29 Feb 00 - 11:27 AM
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Art Thieme 01 Mar 00 - 06:03 PM
Art Thieme 01 Mar 00 - 11:27 PM
Mark Cohen 02 Mar 00 - 12:45 AM
GUEST,Seamus Kennedy 02 Mar 00 - 01:52 AM
Ely 02 Mar 00 - 12:44 PM
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Sorcha 03 Mar 00 - 12:24 AM
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Subject: Lesser known folk groups
From: Big Red
Date: 26 Feb 00 - 07:22 PM

Still stuck on the commercial folk of the 50's & 60's, I have collected all that I want of the most popular groups such as the Weavers, Easy Riders, Trio, PPM, Limelighters, Highwaymen, Brothers Four, Wayfarers, Journeymen, Ivy League Trio and others, I am now looking for the lesser known groups of the era. Some I have found that I like are Brown and Dana, JustIV, Wanderers Three, Halifax Three, Swagmen, Travellers (the Canadian group), and the Big Three. I would appreciate names of groups that that fall into this class and recorded at least one record. Thanks for any help I may receive.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Amos
Date: 26 Feb 00 - 07:41 PM

We had a little one called the Comstock River Jugband, but we never recorded anything... it was pretty lesser, though :>).


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Bud Savoie
Date: 26 Feb 00 - 08:42 PM

I was one-third of the Birch Grove Singers, and we cut an eponymous record for Wand Records in the mid-'60s. kWE were about as lesser as you can get. The record hit the bargain bins almost instantly.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: DonMeixner
Date: 26 Feb 00 - 09:07 PM

Anyone remember The New Wine Singers, The Un-Called for Three, The Windgate Singers, The Tarriers.

Don


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: TheOldMole
Date: 26 Feb 00 - 10:57 PM

The Shantyboys were one of the good New York folk groups of the 50s. The best known of those groups was the New Lost City Ramblers, whom you didn't include in your original list. They were Mike Seeger, Jon Cohen and Tracy Schwartz, whose son now plays with Steve Riley and the Mamou Playboys.

The Tarriers, mentioned by Don Meixner, were Erik Darling (Weavers, Rooftop Singers), Alan Arkin (Catch-22), and Bob Carey. If I remember correctly, Alan Arkin also sang with a group called The BabySitters, which may have included Barbara Dane...memory is shaky here.

Why not go back to the Forties, and pick up the Almanac Singers (Woody Guthrie, Pete Seeger, Lee Hays, Millard Lampell)?

How about groups by singers who aren't generally known for fronting groups? Dave Van Ronk and the Hudson Dusters, Ian Tyson and Great Speckled Bird.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: kendall
Date: 26 Feb 00 - 11:06 PM

anyone remember the Back Porch Majority? the Pine toppers? The Whiskey Hill Singers?


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Arkie
Date: 27 Feb 00 - 01:00 AM

There were also Joe & Eddie, Bud & Travis, and Richard & Jim. The Jim of the latter group is Jim Connor who wrote "Grandma's Feather Bed". He was also with the Kingston Trio for a while.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: raredance
Date: 27 Feb 00 - 02:00 AM

Ah, The Allen-Ward Trio out of Canada. One album on Vanguard. A friend bought it and I fell in love with it almost immediately, so I got me a copy too. It contains what I believe is the only recording of the Gordon LIghtfoot song "Brothers, Sisters & Friends"

rich r


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 Feb 00 - 02:07 AM

I haven't seen the Chad Mitchell Trio mentioned here yet, so.......

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: M. Ted (inactive)
Date: 27 Feb 00 - 02:34 AM

Wee Five, though they were, I guess, considered folk-rock--Bud and Travis were always a favorite of mine(or do we need more than two for a group?) The Upper Ten Thousand, Jim Kweskin Jug Band(pretty well known, I guess)--


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Stewie
Date: 27 Feb 00 - 04:31 AM

Others include: Koerner, Ray and Glover, Greenbriar Boys, Chambers Brothers, Holy Modal Rounders, Charles River Valley Boys, Keith and Rooney, The True Endeavour Jug Band, Larry and Hank, The New Strangers, Len and Judy, Dave Van Ronk's Ragtime Jug Stompers, The Folk Stringers, Lilly Brothers, Harry and Jeanie West, The New Strangers, Even Dozen Jug Band, The Folksingers and The Travelers 3.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Tiger
Date: 27 Feb 00 - 07:33 AM

The Gateway Singers were somewhat like the Weavers in their repertoire - had a wonderful contralto named Emmerlee Thomas. I can't remember the other group members, but I'm looking for their old records.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 27 Feb 00 - 07:41 AM

What about "The southern folk four"? Bob Bunting? just to name a couple that you might not have heard of. Eric


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: kendall
Date: 27 Feb 00 - 09:29 AM

The Spinners?


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,Gibson Flunge
Date: 27 Feb 00 - 11:56 AM

How about the Homesteaders - had a lp on riverside called Railroad Bill - rumour was Judy Collins was in the group and on that record anybody really know?


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Gary T
Date: 27 Feb 00 - 02:06 PM

My sister has an album by Jim and Jean, I'd say they were lesser-known. Conspicuous by their absence from Big Red's list are Ian and Sylvia. If by chance they aren't familiar to you, Big Red, check them out.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,Wesley S
Date: 27 Feb 00 - 06:18 PM

Does anyone remember "Hedge and Donna" from the late 60's?? Or the Modern Folk Quartet? The Balladeers was David Crosby's early folk group.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,beachcomber
Date: 27 Feb 00 - 06:28 PM

Then there were Kate and Anna MacGarrigle, The Ludlow Trio, Bobby and Peg Clancy (the latter members of the famous Clancy family from Carrick-on-Suir, Ireland) and there was a Southern Folk Four(from the same town) who may be the same one mentioned previously, they had a Tom Brett included.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 27 Feb 00 - 10:00 PM

Overlooked? Mike Settle and the Settlers. If you're doing duos, Marais and Miranda, Gene and Francesca, Pat and Victoria Garvey. Grubstake, a trio out yonder in Denver. As an aside, Lee Hayes was one of the Babysitters, would you believe? Sweets Mill String Band in California, featuring Kenny Hall on mandolin. Our own "Golden Ring," on Folk-Legacy, first recorded in the 60s. How obscure can you get?

Sandy


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Banjoman_CO
Date: 27 Feb 00 - 10:34 PM

There was a group in the 60's called the "Wayfarers". Mason Williams was a member of the group. They did an albul called "songs of the Blue and Grey".


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Stewie
Date: 28 Feb 00 - 02:32 AM

Sandy

The Golden Ring were not that obscure. I picked up a copy of a 1964 recording FSI 16 in an Australian store - admittedly, a specialist import store, but some of the others mentioned above are really obscure. It was a fine record - first time I'd heard the wonderful 'Simple Gifts'.

I know this is a thread creep (or drift or whatever) but I'm putting together an entertainment on trains for a festival in June and I intend to use a song from one of your remarkable 1960s Folk Legacy issues - Michael Cooney's 'The Cheese Stands Alone'. I reckon it's a little gem, particularly the last two lines! To refresh your memory - tune by Des Rainey of New Zealand and words by A.A. Milne (Winnie the Pooh):

THE ENGINEER

Let it rain
Who cares?
I've a train
Upstairs
With a brake
That I make
From a string
Sort of thing
Which works
In jerks
'Cos it drops
In the spring
And the wheels
All stick
So quick
That it feels
Like a thing
That you make
With a brake
Not a string

Let it rain
Who cares?
I've a train
Upstairs
With a brake
That I make
From a string
Sort of thing
Which works
In jerks
'Cos it drops
In the spring
Which stops
With the string

So that's what I make
When the day's all wet
It's a good sort of brake
But it hasn't worked yet

Delicious stuff! Thanks, Sandy, for all the wonderful music, songs and performances you've made available over all those years from the 1960s onwards.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: kendall
Date: 28 Feb 00 - 08:46 AM

Sorry, I got ahead of myself...I have all of the Golden Ring stuff, and, they are among my very favorite folk albums.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,Aldus
Date: 28 Feb 00 - 09:30 AM

The Cumberland Three, led by John Stuart. late of solo and kingston Trio Fame. They did two wonderful Civil wae albums and they have been released on CD. Also, the Journeymen, I believe John Phillips was in that group. Also, I would not pit Kate and Anna in this category...too late..too good...slightly famous.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,aldus
Date: 28 Feb 00 - 10:06 AM

Sorry. I forgot the following.......Hedgehog Pie...a group called Ossian...are they still working, are the recordings available?


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,Rockaday Johnny
Date: 28 Feb 00 - 10:48 AM

To answer the earler question on the Homesteaders the information that I've heard is that the group consisted of Judy Collins, Ronnie Gilbert, Mike Settle and another male performer - although they were NOT credit on the lp does anybody else have any information on this...? Thanks


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Arkie
Date: 28 Feb 00 - 10:53 AM

May have missed them, but don't remember seeing the New Christy Minstrels, Seekers, and the New World Singers mentioned yet.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Tiger
Date: 28 Feb 00 - 11:38 AM

Remember Nina & Frederik - "Listen to the Ocean"?


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 28 Feb 00 - 11:46 AM

This is where I came in.... [came to the Mudcat a couple of years ago looking for lyrics to "Listen to..", only to find I'd got them in a songbook already! Still haven't traced a current recording of it..]
RtS


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: raredance
Date: 28 Feb 00 - 07:37 PM

Apologies for any duplications: Bek Brothers, Addis & Crofut, Goldebriars, Jonathon David & Elbert, Roxanne & Dan Keding, Kossoy Sisters, New Lost City Ramblers, Phoenix Singers, Windjammers, Three D's.

Hard to envision the Mitchell Trio and Ian & Sylvia as "lesser known folk groups"

rich r


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Ely
Date: 28 Feb 00 - 09:03 PM

These aren't groups, obviously, but:

Gale Garnett ("We'll Sing in the Sunshine"). One of those songs I can't help but like even if I don't agree with it.

Carolyn Hester, a Joan Baez-wannabe from Texas.

And, of course, Jean Ritchie.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 12:21 AM

This is hearsay, so don't accept it as "authority" - a friend told me that the "Back Porch Majority" was part of Randy Sparks' endeavours; sort of a "farm team" relationship to the "New Christy Minstrels".

One group I've been able to find absolutely nothing about on the net (including a song called "Time" that I'd love the lyrics & chords for) is the "Poso Seco Singers" (or 'Pozo' perhaps). Anybody got a source for them?


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Sabra
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 12:47 AM

Nobody's mentioned Buffy Sainte-Marie yet??
Also, Sandy listed Pat & Victoria Garvey----definately worth looking for!! One song they wrote/sang called "Trail of Tears" still hums around in my head from time to time..haunting! My dad used to produce folk concerts in our region and Pat & Vickie used to stay with us when they were playing close by-the late night Jam sessions were pretty cool!
Don't know if they count as folk or early country (blended together back then) but what about The Carter Family?


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Sabra
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 12:54 AM

OOPS! I forgot, Malvena Reynolds. She wrote "Little Boxes" and a neat children's song that I think was called "Morningtown Ride"? Bear with me, I'm recalling this from a 4-yr old's perspective, but I loved her songs back then!


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: rangeroger
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 02:04 AM

How about The Womenfolk? Jean Amos,Leni Ashmore,Barbara Cooper, Judy Fine, and Joyce James. Put out 4 albums on RCA Victor label.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Ely
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 08:11 AM

Rosalie Sorrels. My father sang that "hostile baby-rocking song" about "There's an island way out in the sea, where the babies they all grow on trees" all the time. He got it off _Always a Lady_.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Troll
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 08:19 AM

The Serendipidy Singers

troll


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Bud Savoie
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 08:27 AM

Some of what are listed as lesser-known groups and folks were pretty well known back during the folk boom days. The New Lost City Ramblers were and are very well known and regarded. Buffy Sainte-Marie was heard all the time on folk radio stations and later appeared on Sesame Street. Most of the groups mentnioned, however, well deserved the obscurity from which they never emerged.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Duffy Keith
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 11:27 AM

The whiskey hill singers were a group started up by Dave Guard, when he left the kingston trio, and Judy Henske, and David "buck" Wheat who was the sideman bass player for the Kingston trio. David Wheat can be seen on the cover of the "Going Places" album By the KT....Does anyone know whatever happened to David Wheat...??? Duffy Keith


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 02:11 PM

Pozo-Seco Singers, of I Can Make It With You fame:

http://www.worldwidewax.com/recs/x6/x630.htm

and various other links, once you have the right spelling.

I found a good few links on www.ixquick.com, a new good metasearch engine. On www.dogpile.com, once you have the name right, there are lots of places to buy their albums.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 04:42 PM

Hey you can't say Malvina reynolds was a nearly! She wrote; Little boxes, What have they done to the rain? Turn around (Where are you going my little one etc) and several other songs. She performed until an old lady. I saw her in the UK in the mid to late seventies when she must have been about that old herself. A grand old lady.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: DonMeixner
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 05:52 PM

Ely,

Carolyn Hester was not a Joan Baez wanna be. She is a fine singer and talent all on her own and her recordings predate Joan Baez by a few years. I have a rerelease of a Hester recording, the original release date was 19 57 or 58.

Don


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,Topcat
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 08:32 PM

What Does Anyone Know of Stan Hugil Liverpool Shanty man way back in the early 60's I recall from Keele Folk festival days


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: raredance
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 09:35 PM

Actually the Womenfolk had 5 albums if you count "We Give A Hoot! the Womenfolk - the Villagers". Well, OK 4 1/2.

rich r


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,Arkie
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 10:45 PM

The Pozo-Seco Singers included Don Williams who went on to a huge measure of success in the country field. That success was earned by good singing and good songs.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 01 Mar 00 - 01:10 PM

I also forgot "The springfields" Dusty was their singer with Tom and ? but they made some good folkie music back in the 60's


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Giac
Date: 01 Mar 00 - 02:29 PM

How about The Dillards (Bluegrass-ish, but they did some fine traditional, too), and Guy and Candy Carawan ...

Giac


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Art Thieme
Date: 01 Mar 00 - 06:03 PM

A group I was in in the late 50s made up of-----Elvis, Patti Page, Rosemary Clooney and me. We called ourselves---------Presley, Page, Rosemary and Thieme.

Art


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Art Thieme
Date: 01 Mar 00 - 11:27 PM

The NEW WINE FOLKSINGERS ---were the owners and the house act at THE RISING MOON, a folk club bar in Chicago. (1305 N. Wells Street in Old Town) They were Bill Malloy, Arnie Lanza, Malcolm Hale and Gusty Hervie. Gusty was later replaced by Elaine (Spanky) McFarland. "Spankie" was also the lead singer of SPANKIE AND OUR GANG who had some pop success with songs like "Sunday Will Never Be The Same". The other members of S.and O.G. were Fred Williams and Oz Bach.

A great club owned by Lorraine Blue was MOTHER BLUES in Chicago. It was in that same space the Rising Moon had previously occupied.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 02 Mar 00 - 12:45 AM

Hey, Art, I think I still have that LP. I used to keep it in a treasured position on my shelf, right next to my favorite Japanese/Italian cookbook, Saimin and Garafunghili.

Aloha,
Mark


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,Seamus Kennedy
Date: 02 Mar 00 - 01:52 AM

The Hard Travelers, The Aran Folk, The Bordermen, The Beggarmen, Scaffold, Whitley & Skaggs. I don't think Malvina Reynolds and Carolyn Hester were 'groups", I mean they didn't put weight on until recently..


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Ely
Date: 02 Mar 00 - 12:44 PM

DonMeixner, My apologies on Carolyn Hester. The stuff I've seen of hers [my experience only] is early-mid '60's and, generally, it's not that great; her voice control wasn't very good. I'll keep looking.

Ely


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Big Red
Date: 03 Mar 00 - 12:18 AM

When I started this thread, I was hoping to get an idea of how much more I have to look forward to. Apparenty a lot. While I do have some of those mentioned, I have a long way to go. Not mentioned by part of my collection are; Heightsmen, Yachtsmen, Les Baxters Balladeers, Minstrels Three, Brothers Dooley, Mike St. Shaw Trio, Kinsmen (with Bud Dasdiell), Westside Four, Sundowners, Tradewinds, Westside Trio, Tripjacks, Wanderin Five, Appalachians and 3 from Montana. Some I like, some I don't. But its always fun to find a new one. Thanks to all you good folks out there that helped me on this.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Sorcha
Date: 03 Mar 00 - 12:24 AM

I have one "Sundowners" album. Do you want a cassette? If you do, "message" me your snail mail address. Sorcha


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 03 Mar 00 - 11:19 AM

Art! just seen your supergroup pun.I know you're the Prince of Punsters but it was a classic. LMFAO!
RtS (green with jealousy, can't steal it, my name wouldn't fit!)


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 04 Mar 00 - 01:19 AM

And Art didn't even mention his favorite group: The New Crusty Nostrils! Or did he?

Sandy


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: TheOldMole
Date: 05 Mar 00 - 01:37 AM

Carolyn Hester's debut album is also known for being the first record Bob Dylan ever played on.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 05 Mar 00 - 02:04 AM

My GOD! If I ever had any doubts that I'm a total FOLK NURD, they were dispelled by this thread. With the exception of a couple of groups, I'm familiar with EVERY band named! Jeez Fielding, get a life!

A few more however: "The Gangreen Boys".

"The Crabgrass Ramblers".

"The Incredible Steam Driven Chicken".

"The Harvesters".

"The GinMill Syncopators".

Yup, I was in 'em all.

Rick


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,jhenderson
Date: 16 Mar 00 - 08:40 AM

I'd like to turn this old thread into a query about the Briarwood Singers.

I've been asked by someone who remembers her parents' record album from the early 1960s by the Briarwood Singers. She'd like to find information about this group - who the members were, what records they put out, where are they now, that kind of stuff. She wondered where to look, and I immediately thought of you guys.

Can any of you help?

Thanks, John


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Fortunato
Date: 16 Mar 00 - 08:56 AM

Rick, let me tell you about a twelve-step program for recovering folkaholics.

I, at least, only recognized 75% of them.

Nice trip down memory lane. Thanks, kids.

Fortunato


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,David Walker
Date: 04 Jul 00 - 12:22 AM

The Modern Folk Quartet is neat group with close harmonies in a kinda Jass tradition. They are great and I am in search for some of their lesser known albums. Such as Moonlight Seronade, Mozart, Bamboo Saloon and Highway Seventy. Just call me desperate I can't get enough of them.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,David Walker
Date: 04 Jul 00 - 12:42 AM

The Modern Folk Quartet is neat group with close harmonies in a kinda Jass tradition. They are great and I am in search for some of their lesser known albums. Such as Moonlight Seronade, Mozart, Bamboo Saloon and Highway Seventy. Just call me desperate I can't get enough of them.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Chanteyranger
Date: 04 Jul 00 - 02:01 AM

Topcat asked about Stan Hugill. He passed away in '91 or '92. He was "discovered" late in life, and was recorded solo and with a shanty group called "Stormalong John." A member of that group was Irish singer Shay Black, of Black Family fame, who now tours with family members and hosts an Irish session at Berkeley California's Starry Plough pub.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Hollowfox
Date: 05 Jul 00 - 02:47 PM

Bottle Hill and Frummox


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Jacob B
Date: 05 Jul 00 - 03:58 PM

I have a recording by Art and Paul. That's Art Podell and Paul Potash. The liner notes say that they met when they were both working as waiters at Camp Ramah. I believe that one of them was later a member of the New Christy Minstrels. I like their version of "Moonshiner".


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Big Red
Date: 05 Jul 00 - 08:04 PM

Was suprised that the first and only thread I started was revised, if ever so briefly. Although not on my list of favorites, the MFQ are well worth a listen. I only have one of their albums and that is titled MFQ. May be their first. If you have any intrest in it get me your e-mail and we can make some arrangement. Always willing to share. This thread was worth it to me because I found out my collection has a long way to go. Next time I will ask for better ways to expand it.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: bigchuck
Date: 05 Jul 00 - 08:44 PM

One of my favorite duos from that era, that I don't think anyone's mentioned yet, were Bob Gibson and Bob Camp.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Chanteyranger
Date: 06 Jul 00 - 03:14 AM

Bigchuck -

Would that be Hamilton Camp?


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Jim the Bart
Date: 06 Jul 00 - 02:26 PM

And this just in -
My taste has always run toward the funny and the country. And when you're talking funny and folk, don't overlook the old recordings by the Smothers Brothers. They were good and funny. And if you're talking good and funny and country, check out Homer and Jethro. They have a live album (Live at the Country Club) that is terrific.

Also, there are some forgotten gems by quote-un-quote Country artists like Roger Miller, Glenn Campbell, Johnny Sea and the one-and-only Johnny Cash that have some classic acoustic/folk music on them. There is also a recording by Tompall Glaser and the Glaser Brothers that has some great harmonies and interesting songs. It kind of falls under the heading of alt-country roots.`

Chanteyranger - That would, iindeed, be Hamilton Camp. He was Bob Camp and then Hamid Hamilton Camp. A singer, actor, writer; a man of many hats and names.


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Subject: Correction
From: Philj200
Date: 06 Jul 00 - 04:09 PM

Erik Darling (who I knew slightly) never played with the Tarriers. That was the very different Eric Weisberg, who still is working in the mileu.

Alan Arkin wasn't a fplkie. But his cousin Steve Arkin was a formidable banjp picker who played with Bill Monroe for a season or two.

The Holy Modal Rounders are still around and working the college circuit along with their alter egos, the Fugs (of whom I played with for one season a jillion years ago.) Some of the Rounders are also part time Fugs, depending on who gets the gig.

An truely beautiful group from Canada who opened for Ian and Sylvia (after they got too big to open for Phil Ochs) was Jim and Jean. Their version of Grand Hotel still haunts me. Anyone know all the words?


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Subject: Addendum and apology
From: Philj200
Date: 06 Jul 00 - 04:15 PM

Addendum: Erik Darling (after the Weavers and during his solo and sideman career) was in a one-thick pony called the Rooftop Singers. Their one major song was a cover of Gus Cannon's 1920ish "Walk Right In."

Apology: For my wretched spelling.


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Subject: RE: Correction
From: Mike Regenstreif
Date: 06 Jul 00 - 05:21 PM

Sorry Philj200, but your "correction" is incorrect.

Erik Darling was indeed a member of the Tarriers. So was Alan Arkin.

Jim & Jean were not Canadian. Jim Glover (the "Jim" of Jim & Jean) was a college friend of Phil Ochs'.

Mike Regenstreif


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: John Hindsill
Date: 06 Jul 00 - 11:25 PM

I find this to be a most interesting thread. From here it looks like who was a 'lesser known group' depends on where you were when they were active. For instance, here in SoCal I would not have considered the Dillards, Tarriers, Gateway Singers, Bud & Travis or Chad Mitchell Trio, among others, as lesser.

In various incarnations the Gateway Singers had Lou Gottlieb and Travis Edmunson, who went on to other groups. And Travis' partner Bud formed Bud Dashiell and the Kinsmen after B & T split up. The Whiskeyhill Singers (mentioned early on) was formed by Dave Guard after he left the Kingstons, and had as the obligatory girl member, Judy Henske.

The New Christy Minstrels was originally made of of lesser known acts -Art Podell, mentioned above somewhere, and BARRY McGuire & BARRY Kane come to mind.

Of all the groups previously cited, my personal favorite was (were?) the Travelers 3. My favorite of all (and not previously mentioned)was Terrea Lea, who operated the Garret Coffee House in West Hollywood, just her voice, an acoustic guitar and the expresso machine; that was folk music!

John Hindsill


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Mini Me
Date: 07 Jul 00 - 12:50 PM

Dear Guest, Don Williams, the great country singer/songwriter ( Amanda ) and other great hits was an original member of the Poso Seco Singers.

Mike Strobel


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Art Thieme
Date: 13 Jul 00 - 01:12 PM

Sandy,

Yes, The New Crusty Nostrils were fair to middlin' group. Virtuoso nose flute players----er, pickers.

Nose flute wa snot what it seemed to be.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,Bill Warren
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 04:21 PM

Alan Arkin was definitely a folkie; in addition to The Tarriers, he did indeed perform with the Babysitters. (And he was also writing for science fiction magazines at the time.)

There was a notably lousy group called The Coachmen who did a fairly funny parody combining "Tom Dooley" and "MTA." And there were, and are, the 3Ds; their first album, now available on CD, was well-known poems (The Bells, Annabelle Lee, Richard Cory) set to folk melodies.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: curmudgeon
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 05:16 PM

And Arkin did provide recorder accompaniment to Ed McCurdy on some of the "Dalliance" numbers.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,Ken Brock
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 06:26 PM

I don't know about Mike Settle, but The Homesteaders definitely included Judy Collins, Ronnie Gilbert and Frank Hamilton. The Riverside session engineer has posted his recollections on the web, which I read years ago.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: jaze
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 07:40 PM

Cathy and Carol.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,Bud
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 09:02 PM

The Cumberland Trio (not to be confused with The Cumberland Three) was a fine folk group formed at the University of Tennessee. I think they released a CD recently that was recorded 40 years ago, but had never been released before.
The Cumberland Three was mentioned earlier, but only named John Stewart(who quit the CT to join the Kingston Trio and went on to have a solo career), also had John (Monty) Montgomery, and Gil Robbins as members. Gil Robbins joined the Highwaymen after leaving the Cumberland Three. Gil is also father of Tim Robbins the movie star. Mike Settle also was a member of the Cumberland Three for a very short time. I think Mike Settle recorded one song with The Cumberland Three.
Bud


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,Bob N.
Date: 15 Feb 05 - 09:36 PM

What years was Judy Collins with The Homesteaders? When I read her biography, I don't remember reading about this group. I thought her focus was on her solo career only. Great thread btw....


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Mark Ross
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 12:45 PM

Does anyone remember THE UPPER KNOBLICK 10,000?

Mark Ross


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 01:01 PM

The Modern Folk Quartet out of Hollywood.

The Men became the Association after surgery.

On Homesteaders album, I think there was a cut with Judy Collins and Ronnie Gilbert singing together.

Hedge and Donna out of Hollywood.

Off subject but I love the Foremen.

The Villagers were short lived in New York. Erik Darling and Ethel Raim were in a group with that name. Pre-dated folk boom.

Songswappers appeared on a Folkways album. Pete Seeger and Mary Travis in that group did African rounds. Pre-dated folk boom.

Almanacs and the Priority Ramblers pre-dated the folk boom.

Did anyone mention New Lost City Ramblers?

Loved a short lived group in Massachussetts called County Down. (Three talented women).

Joyce James:   Womenfolk.

Mebbe think of more.

Frank


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: PoppaGator
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 10:39 PM

Mentioned only once above, and perhaps lost in shuffle: Joe and Eddie.

I saw these two guys a year or so ago on the old-movie channel (TCM) in an exploitation B-movie caled "Hootenanny Hoot," along with the Brothers Four (not "lesser-known," they were headliners of this film, and not mentioned in this thread), Judy Henske, Johnny Cash, Shep Wooley (who wrote and sang the title song) and a few others.

Joe and Eddie were by far the highlight of the film, for me her and now in the 21st century. Maybe they were ahead of their time ~ very energetic rocking gospel singing with soaring harmonies and minimal accompaniment (just handclaps, and maybe an offscreen intrument or two; J&E didn't play instruments at all.)

Their big number in the film was "There's a Meeting Here Tonight," which I remember from "back in the day," but probably from someone else's rendition. (It was a hit for The Limelighters, who have been mentioned in this thread.)

I did a little internet reasearch and learned that Joe and Eddie recorded a fair number of albums, maybe about a half dozen. A "Best Of" 2-CD set is currently available on CD. Their career was cut short when one of them died young. Couldn't find a cause of death, just a few posted messages wondering how it happened.

Definitely worth a listen for anyone inclined to look 'em up.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 16 Feb 05 - 11:33 PM

PoppaGator. Car crash.

Seamus


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Margret RoadKnight
Date: 17 Feb 05 - 11:20 PM

Pennywhistlers (Ethel Raim & others).

[Joe & Eddie made 8 LPs, not counting 2 compilations]


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Feb 05 - 11:32 PM

Pozo Seco Singers, with Don Williams... How'd this group get missed?

Bobert


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Cool Beans
Date: 18 Feb 05 - 12:11 PM

I remember the Knob Lick Upper 10,000. They did nice versions of "Two Little Boys," "Rocky Mountain Water" and "Jimmie Brown the Newsboy."

There was a Joe and Eddie thread on Mudcat a few months ago, for anyone interested.

Roger Sprung was one of the Shantyboys.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 18 Feb 05 - 02:54 PM

The "Knoblick Upper-10 Thousand" were Eric Jacobson (once a force behind/manager of? the Lovin' Spoonfull), Pete Childs (dobro) and Dwayne Storey---sometimes Stu Ramsay (now Darsono Ramsay).

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 18 Feb 05 - 03:24 PM

THE FRETS were the house band at the Gate Of Horn folk club in Chicago for their Hootenannys on Sunday afternoons in 1959. That group consisted of John Carbo (banjo), Louis McDonald (conga drum) and Jim Roger McGuinn (guitar). They never made a record. We tossed a concert at the University Of Illinois-Chicago (Navy Pier campus)in Dec. of 59 or early 1960 with Frank Hamilton doing a solo show---and he brought THE FRETS with him as an opening act. Frank and Pete Seeger had just recorded their duo album called NONESUCH on Folkways Records and Frank did an instrumental solo guitar version of the Russian song "MEADOWLANDS" that night for which superlative would be a much too mild word with which to describe it. Always thought Frank's solo version was way better than the duet record. I taped that concert that night after hauling my 50 pound Webcor reel-to-reel tape recorder all the way out into Lake Michigan at the end of Navy Pier. And it was more than worth it! I've still got parts of Frank Hamilton's show that he did 46 years ago. His "Railroad Blues" ("I'm gonna sit right here and look a million miles away...") -- done with harmonica the way Woody Guthrie taught him to play it---was also a highpoint of that concert. Right away I learned "MEADOWLANDS" from that tape. Then I worked out "Stars And Stripes Forever" and just one or two instrumentsl verses of the Christmas song, "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen". I played that as a protest instrumental medley all through the Cold War and the Viet Nam era.

Frank, thank you!!!

Art


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: PoppaGator
Date: 18 Feb 05 - 05:27 PM

Seamus ~ thanks for the car-crash info. I think I *did* read that somewhere. I forgot which one was killed, Joe or Eddie; in any event, the surviving member of the duo did not, apparently, continue with a solo career.

By the way ~ I drove past O'Flaherty's Pub on Toulouse Street last night, and they have just put up a HUGE poster advertising a coming event featuring . . . The Kingston Trio!

Tickets are $50 bucks a pop, so I won't be in attendance. I'd be mildly curious to see who's still part of the Trio and to hear how they sound these days, but not at a C-note for two seats. In any event, I had no idea this old group was back at work; maybe they're on tour, and maybe those of you who love 'em more than I do (i.e., those who have a hundred bucks worth of love for them) will have a chance to see them in your respective home towns.

A much smaller flyer posted on the same wall touts an upcoming appearance at the same venue by Mudcatter Jed Marum. I'm pretty sure I will go see Jed; his admission price is much more within my reach. (On his last visit to town, Jed's gig at O'F's was no-cover ~ great for me, not so wonderful for Jed. I do promise to make an appropriate donation to the tip jar.)


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: sixtieschick
Date: 19 Feb 05 - 04:46 AM

The Gateway Singers also included Barbara Dane. They were associated with the Communist Party in the USA, according to Lou Gottlieb's daughter.

Jim and Jean's cover of Phil Ochs's "Crucifixion" was a staple on KMPX, the early San Francisco free-form radio station.


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Leadfingers
Date: 19 Feb 05 - 06:19 AM

I find it fascinating that nearly all the 'lesser known ' groups are American ! I cant decide wether this is because EVERY club in UK in the good old days had its resident group , who did local bookings and had home produced albums and cassettes or because we think our groups were NOT 'lesser knowns' !!
I have been involved in a number of assorted groups myself , which are all seriously lesser known despite working all over UK !


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 19 Feb 05 - 10:26 AM

Sixtieschick,

"The Gateway Singers also included Barbara Dane. They were associated with the Communist Party in the USA, according to Lou Gottlieb's daughter.
,
Almost every folksinger in the forties, fifties and early sixties were somehow associated with the CPUSA either as members or someone who knew members. That's why folk music was reviled by McCarthy and the HUAC. Some were barely tolerant and didn't become virulent anti until later.

Art, thank you for the nice comments about me. I really enjoy your recordings and contribution to folk music.

Frank


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,renoquest
Date: 19 Feb 05 - 11:13 PM

If anyone can help me find music by Art & Paul (Podell & Potash, not Simon & Garfunkle) I would greatly appreciate it.

heathp1263@aol.com


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Lancashire Lad
Date: 20 Feb 05 - 02:25 AM

RE Stan Hugill
Sadly missed maritime singer. He made a couple of great albums for the Dingles label.

LL


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,Chris Kelly
Date: 01 Mar 05 - 05:30 AM

I checked out the Gateway Singers official website at www.starbeams.com, and in addition to learning that their albums are now available on CD, saw that Barbara Dane only was a potential member of the group. Their female singer was the contralto Elmerlee Thomas who was part of the original ensemble including Lou Gottlieb, Jerry Walter and Jim Wood (who was succeeded by Travis Edmonson when they started to record).


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,Joe
Date: 05 Mar 05 - 09:05 PM

I remember a group called the Briarwood Singers in the Miami area in the early 60's. They played at the lounge at the Crossways Airport Inn near the Miami airport. They were absolutely great. The lead singer was a really nice girl named Dorinda Duncan and I think there were 5 of them. They made one album for sure and maybe two. I had the first album and wore it out. What a great group. Good harmony, original lyrics and fabulous musicians. I went to see them almost every nite they were there. I understand their album can still be purchased as a used record on the net.

By the way 10 years later I named my daughter Dorinda.

This bought back some nice memories!


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: rich-joy
Date: 06 Mar 05 - 04:29 AM

Does anyone have ANY info on :

Chris Couveau (possibly of Williamsport, Pa.)

PLEASE?! (I don't even know if this Chris is male or female!!)

Listed in "The Coffee House Songbook" (Oak Pubs, 1966) as singing Oscar Wilde's "The Ballad of Reading Gaol" ...


Cheers! R-J


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Leadfingers
Date: 06 Mar 05 - 02:12 PM

See What I Mean ? Still only American Groups - ( Stan Hugill for all hie greatness was NOT a group!)


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Leadfingers
Date: 06 Mar 05 - 02:12 PM

And By the way - 100 !!


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: JJ
Date: 07 Mar 05 - 09:06 AM

Way back in the first post, Big Red mentioned Brown & Dana.

When the duo broke up, Garrett Brown moved to Hollywood, where he invented the Steadicam.

You could look it up...


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: Big Jim from Jackson
Date: 07 Mar 05 - 11:19 AM

How about Cathy Barton and Dave Para?


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Mar 05 - 11:58 AM

The Philharmonious Jug Band

Giok


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Subject: RE: Help: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,RightWay
Date: 14 Apr 05 - 08:37 PM

No one has mentioned The Womenfolk.......% albums for RCA
Here was a group of 5 women with delicious harmonies, and a sense of humor....Leni Ashmore, Babs Cooper, Judy Fine, Jean Amos, Joyce James (deceased) and sometimes Elaine Gealer....YOu are remembered!

tg


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Subject: RE: Lesser known folk groups
From: Stephen L. Rich
Date: 15 Apr 05 - 01:23 AM

The Goldcoast Singers, and Jim Kweskin's Jugband.


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Subject: RE: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 15 Apr 05 - 10:35 PM

...and Frank Hamilton and Valucha Buffington Arneson were a very nice duo around Chicago in other times.

The Old Town Singers were Guy Guilbert (guitar), Barb Stracke, and someone else I can't recall.

Maybe it was Ginni Clemmens.

I do know that Guy and Ginni were a trio in Chicago with with Elaine McFarland.

Later Elaine McFarland used the name SPANKY and was in a folk/pop group with Oz Bach and Fred Williams called SPANKY AND OUR GANG. They had some hits---one I think was called "Monday (or Sunday)Will Never Be The Same".

And a good group with Anne Hills and Bob Gibson and Tom Paxton called BEST OF FRIENDS. I believe a live performance CD of these three is out now.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Lesser known folk groups
From: kendall
Date: 16 Apr 05 - 07:27 AM

Hal 'n Tow of New Brunswick


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Subject: RE: Lesser known folk groups
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 10:02 AM

I remember Carolyn Hester from the good old days around the London folk scene in the 60s I first saw her at the Assembly Rooms in Surbiton {I think} run by Derek Sarjeant and Hazel King as she then was, later to become Hazel Serjeant. Derek has put up a site in memory of Hazel who unfortunately died a premature death in 2003, there are some great pictures of a few old faces on this site which is here for anybody who is interested.
Giok


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Subject: RE: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 12:20 PM

How about Cliff Haslam and Geoff Kaufman and Don Sineti?


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Subject: RE: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,Fullerton
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 11:02 AM

Whatever happened to the

Gyratic Space Inspectors,

the Jazz Penguins,

Afternoon Tea on the Lawn,

Bludgeon the Seabird, (Retrospective four album boxed set out soon.)

Vortex of Influential Dandelions. (VOID) (Heavy metal morris with 2 Tubas)

Grond, I believe, are still extant.


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Subject: RE: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,Bruce Baillie
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 06:19 PM

...and what about
Hebric,
Bruce & Audrey
Baillie & Sugden
Bull Pratt
Baillie & Allcock
The Hot Punch Ceildih Band
The Jovial Gentlemen
The Hard End Shifters
etc


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Subject: RE: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,Mortimer
Date: 17 May 07 - 11:28 AM

I have been hunting for records by the Ivy League Trio.   Saw them perform at the Platters circa 1960's in Cadillac, Michigan.   Have been a fan ever since. I have three records that I have transfered to CD, but quality is not good.   Is anyone aware of whether they are out on commercial CD's yet.   This is a great group with interesting harmony and chord changes.   Interested in any knowledge about the performers and what they are currently doing?


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Subject: RE: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 17 May 07 - 04:11 PM

I was part of what has to have been one of the absolutely least known groups in the early '60's. We were known as (triply eponymously) the BobTomLee Trio. We never recorded, but did make a lot of county fairs and night clubs in odd places, including the Purple Onion - briefly and late.

The others mentioned above included the Poso Seco Singers. Was Linda Ronstadt part of that group? The Back Porch Majority began life as a "farm team" for the New Christy Minstrels, as someone said. They assumed an identity of their own for a time, albeit second level.

Buck Wheat is deceased, I'm told.

The Journeymen included a pretty fair banjoist named Dick Weissman, along with John Phillips and Scott McKenzie. They were supposed to be the "next Kingston Trio." Weissman is probably better known for the "Dueling Banjo's" number from "Deliverance." I have two original LP's of Art & Paul, but no sheet music. Their backup guitarist was Paul Prestopino, I believe.

Someone mentioned "Sweet's Mill." That was a Fresno County, California venue in the foothills that was home to an annual folk camp and revelry. The late Mark Spoelstra was a regular, among others.

Travis Edmonson (Bud & Travis) is still living in Arizona, though he can no longer perform due to a stroke. He has a website with a lot of good stuff on it. Two of the original Kingston Trio are still living. Bob Shane is retired in Arizona and Nick Reynolds, who I see from time to time, is retired in Coronado, CA.


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Subject: RE: Lesser known folk groups
From: Stringsinger
Date: 17 May 07 - 04:33 PM

How 'bout the Homesteaders? Ronnie Gilbert singing with Judy Collins.

Walter Raim and the Homesteaders.

Linda was with the Stoned Ponies. (Yeah boy! those were the daze)

Art, wasn't that Johny Carbo?

How 'bout the San Francisco group, Jerry Walters, Elmer Lee Thomas, Travis Edmondsen called the Gateway Singers? They held down the "hungry i" along with Mort Sahl, Stan Wilson, Maya Angelou, the Limelighters, Johnathon Winters, Glen Yarborough, Godfrey Cambridge and Woody Allen.

Who was Woodier? Allen or Guthrie?


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Subject: RE: Lesser known folk groups
From: Betsy
Date: 18 May 07 - 07:34 AM

I was watching an old episode (25+ years?)of the Two Ronnies the other night. In their programme in those days they had a musical slot half way through the Comedy show.They introduced a 3 man group who were SO, so.........words almost fail me . I can only say that they appeared to be an attempt by the music industry to try to launch a Folk Group. Couldn't fault the guitar playing,sang perfect diction and in tune.The songs were cobbled-together bits of the themes of Trad songs ,but the whole thing was a bit wierd.They were called New World. Did they survive or did people ever take them seriously. No !!!! it wasn't a piss-take by the two Ronnies - it was meant to be taken seriously .


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Subject: RE: Lesser known folk groups
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 21 May 07 - 09:47 AM

This is what I posted on the "Little Known'60s folk group" thread:
I found this on AllMusic guide: they were active in 1970s not 60s tho':

Broad of collar and bright of shirt, New Zealand's New World exemplified the kind of bright-eyed, lightly sentimental folk-pop that threatened to devour the UK charts of the early 1970s. Pre-glam, pre-prog, and almost prepubescently harmless, the trio emerged out of British television's Opportunity Knocks talent show and briefly threatened to become their homeland's biggest ever export. Especially after the all-conquering combination of label-head Mickie Most, producer Mike Hurst, and songwriters Nicky Chinn and Mike Chapman ganged up on a generation's ears and soft-soaped them into submission.Between 1971-72, the New World trio scored four UK hits of note, each of which distinguishes this (otherwise over-ambitious) collection. "Rose Garden" was a moderately successful pop rival to Lynn Anderson's contemporary country number; "Sister Jane" is a compulsory singalong; and "Kara Kara" is an irresistible slice of rhyming nonsense that should have been their biggest record ever. Instead, that honor went to "Tom Tom Turnaround," the smash hit version of a song that the early Sweet also recorded, and a recording that producer Mike Hurst later admitted he hated. "It was everything I disliked about pure pop, right down to the execrable talking bit." In fact, the only thing that salvaged it in his opinion was, it wasn't as bad as "Kara Kara."The remainder of this collection trawls a career that, somewhat surprisingly, remained musically active until deep into 1973 — and long after the record-buying public had forgotten the group. For the chance to relive those early hits, however, The Best Of New World is exactly what it says and, so long as you don't want to hear anything else that the band ever wrought, it's everything you could possibly need.

RtS


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Subject: RE: Lesser known folk groups
From: Stringsinger
Date: 21 May 07 - 12:29 PM

The Folksay Trio with Erik Darling, Bob Carey and Roger Sprung on Asch/Stinson was the first group to popularize Tom Dooley. The KT appropriated the song from them although they either denied that they did or didn't know that they did.

Erik Darling was responsible for a lot of the folk pop group sounds that you heard in those days. No one knew about it though which is typical.

I think the Folksay Trio may have easilly been one of the first aside from the Weavers and the Priority Ramblers or the Almanac Singers to bring the folk group from out of obscurity.

The Gateway Singers were another. Jerry Walter, Elmer Lee Thomas and others including Travis Edmonsen.


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Subject: RE: Lesser known folk groups
From: stallion
Date: 21 May 07 - 01:12 PM

I haven't read through this thread but how about New Zealand's "Hogsnort Ruperts Original Flagon Band", if anyone knows of the whereabouts of my mate Ian terry, formerly of that band, I would be pleased to renew our aquaintence


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Subject: RE: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST,wordfella
Date: 22 May 07 - 07:43 AM

>>Weissman is probably better known for the "Dueling Banjo's" number from "Deliverance."<<

No--that was Eric Weissberg, who played for a while with the Tarriers.


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Subject: RE: Lesser known folk groups
From: Moleskin Joe
Date: 22 May 07 - 09:09 AM

Has anyone heard of a singer called Murray Young, originally from the West Indies?


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Subject: RE: Lesser known folk groups
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Feb 11 - 06:58 PM

"I have been hunting for records by the Ivy League Trio.   Saw them perform at the Platters circa 1960's in Cadillac, Michigan.   Have been a fan ever since. I have three records that I have transfered to CD, but quality is not good.   Is anyone aware of whether they are out on commercial CD's yet.   This is a great group with interesting harmony and chord changes.   Interested in any knowledge about the performers and what they are currently doing?"

Most of them aren't doing much. Yeah, you guessed it.
Norris O'Neill died a while ago, as did Bev Galloway.
I'm not too sure about Bob Hider (appropriate last name, then).
Galloway was on the two Coral albums, then replaced by Ronn Langford for the brilliant Poe folk song album Ronn is still with us. He founded Masterdrive.com

You can hear a sample of the Trio's Poe album here:
http://illfolks.blogspot.com/search?q=Ivy+League+Trio

The Trio issued a few singles that don't appear on any album, (I'm Just a Country Boy" "Sailors Women") which are for compleatists only.

Norris and Bob were part of The Bitter End Singers for a while. Sample song:
http://www.box.net/shared/j93ltcev66


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