What is a pibroch

Subject: What is a pibroch
From: GUEST,TRC
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 02:53 PM

Can anyone tell me? Thanks.

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 03:01 PM

Mmmm... The Big Music...

think of pibrochs as the 'Classical' music for pipes... Pibrochs (and one other?) are called Big Music, while jigs, reels, ect ect are refered to as Small Music...

Gotta love a good Pibroch!

{~`

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: Sabra
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 03:03 PM

A form of music for the Scottish bagpipes involving elaborate variations on a theme, typically of martial or funerary character. Well, thats the OED definition anyway...says it comes from the Scots Gaelic word "piobaireachd", the term for the art of piping. I knew it had somethin to do with the pipes. hmm...maybe too formal a response to be much help?

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: pastorpest
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 03:18 PM

Clinton's answer is a good one!

A "pibroch" is a theme with a set of variations, usually martial, but also including dirges for the bagpipes. The fourth stanza of Lochnagarr, lyric by Lord Byron who was Scot on his mother's side, reads:

Ill-starr'd though brave, did no visions foreboding/ Tell you that fate had forsaken your cause?/ Ah, were you destined to die at Culloden,/ Victory crown'd not your fall with applause:/ Still were you happy in death's early slumber,/ You rest with your clan in the caves of Braemar; /The pibroch resounds to the piper's loud number,/ Your deeds on the echoes of dark Lochnaggar.

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: Amos
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 03:33 PM

Also, in New England, (pronounced with a long 'o'), a large soft mallet used for opening kendall's failed apple pies

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: pastorpest
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 03:33 PM

Sabra, I am never going to draw against you! You would be sure to shoot first!

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: Sorcha
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 04:26 PM

Right definition, but pib's are usually reserved for contests because of the length. Only the judges can understand and differentiate all the variations (and other pipers, of course). Is the "small music" "mhor-brach"(sic)?

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: Art Thieme
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 04:33 PM

It's a largish Jewish meat-filled ravioliish thing that is cooked in and served in a chickenish based soup.

Art

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: MMario
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 04:42 PM

I thought it was one of those hollowed out log thingies type boats from the bayous....

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: Sorcha
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 05:13 PM

Art, I think you have that confused with Brox and cream cheese.

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: Mbo
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 06:09 PM

Ah, yes...piobaireachd! Does anyone remember the "Amazing Piobaireachd Naming Contest" I staged last year? No one knew what a piobaireachd was back then! Check out the threads "The Amazing Piobaireachd Naming Contest" and "FYI:More on Those Pesky Piobaireachds" for more information that I supplied that other obviously found of no interest. BTW I have written an 8-minute piobaireachd of my own....and it's still unnamed! As I said before "PIOBAIREACHDS REACHD!"

--Mbo

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 06:20 PM

Maybe no one gave a shit Meebo.

Spaw

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: Mbo
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 07:04 PM

Well, that was a little harsh, wasn't it? Like anyone cares about Hammered Dulcimers?

--Mbo

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 07:11 PM

Most people don't....so what's your point?

Spaw

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: Mbo
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 07:28 PM

Well I guess we're even then! Nobody cares about either of our stuff! WE'RE NUMBER ONE! WE'RE NUMBER ONE!

--Mbo

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: Sorcha
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 07:50 PM

I LIKE PIOBAIREACHDS! I dont claim to be able to hear all the variations, but whenever I manage to get to Highland Games, I try hard to listen to the pipe contest. I will admit that I like Irish pipes just a tad better than Highland, but any pipes are fine with me! (spaw, don't say it!)I like hammered dulcimers too, for some things, but they are so "fairy tinkly" on a lot of stuff that I don't listen a lot. SO THERE!

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: Mbo
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 07:56 PM

Thanks Sorcha! Mbo=1, Spaw=0!

--Mbo

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: Art Thieme
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 08:28 PM

Yes, they're very much like kreplochs--but even slower and with more grace notes (but not as much salt).

Art

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Feb 00 - 09:41 PM

Well the salt's not all that good for you anyway Art.

Spaw

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 01 Mar 00 - 12:15 AM

Okay, guys--deep breaths now, pleeee-zzzzz?

Guest TRC, did you get an answer you could use before this went into warp drive thread leap? Personally, I appreciated the info, Clinton, Pastorpest, Sabra, Sorcha--I've heard the term "pibroch" many times, and assumed it had something to do with bagpipes, but that was the extent of my knowledge. Now I'm a little smarter, and I thank you.

Mbo, you amaze me--you sing, you write, you play, you compose, you paint, you roadie, you post (incessantly)...now if we could only gently persuade you to shut up and LISTEN once in awhile! You wear me out! Mellow out for awhile, okay? Take a nap or something. You're far too young to be that much of an overachiever...Sheesh!

Lin (who has a serious headache from the reverb over in the Recording Studio)

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: Mbo
Date: 01 Mar 00 - 12:33 AM

Sorry JL, I don't paint...drawing & design is more my bag..and ask my folks--I NEVER SHUT UP!

--Mbo

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: Sorcha
Date: 01 Mar 00 - 12:40 AM

Mbo's real problem is LON, Lack of Nookie. Don't be too hard on the boy, this is serious. Mbo, I have a 15 yr. old daughter that has seen your pic and thinks you are cute. Granted, 15 to 20 is a stretch, but 20-25 is not. She can sing, she can write lyrics and occasionally compose a melody. Right now she has serious 15 yr old PMS/ATTITUDE problems, but can you hang in there? I would be happy to arrange something in a year or two.
PS--her mother thinks she is beautiful.....5'3", brown eyes, 36C, hair subject to change, right now it is red and blue. Will send a pic to bbc along with mine, whenever I get that done. DON'T DESPAIR, THEY ARE OUT THERE!

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: Mbo
Date: 01 Mar 00 - 12:50 AM

Sure, Sorcha. I'll be waiting! "Though I'm sleepy, I wait for you--my hours are few...I've been wasting my chances, true, you know any old time will do!"

--Mbo

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: Sabra
Date: 01 Mar 00 - 12:58 AM

Merciful Heavens...How did we get from bagpipes to the dating game? I think I love this place:-).
Mbo, you just go right on overacheiving darlin', as long as you're takin care of yourself.(does sort of wear me out tryin to keep up sometimes tho, but its fun!)
HEY Sorcha? I have a 16 yr old son with green/bleached blonde hair if Mbo doesn't wanna wait?

I agree, this thread has been interesting--until I looked it up today I wasnt exactly sure what a pibroch was either,only that on Jethro Tull's LP "Songs from the Wood" there is a song entitled "Pibroch-Cap in Hand". Thanks for your input all you real experts.

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: GUEST,Seamus Kennedy
Date: 01 Mar 00 - 01:19 AM

My dream is to see a marching uilleann pipe band pibroching its way down 5th avenue on St. Patrick's Day, like 60 Quasimodos, elbows flying in unison.

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: Sorcha
Date: 01 Mar 00 - 01:22 AM

SENDING PIC SOON!! She is Sagitarius, born 12/04/84 at 10:34 PM in Evanston,Wy. (run it yourself!) She was born knowing how to be a Bitch, didn't have to learn it, but she can be a real sweetie, if you sneak it by her. I am all in favor of "arrangements", but Sabra, let;s not tell her about your son, we need to keep this "green hair stuff" to a minimum, although I will admit to threatining to cut mine to 1" and dyeing it green just to "Get" to my Dobro player who said I Couldn't!

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: Sabra
Date: 01 Mar 00 - 01:31 AM

wow..Uillean Pibroch parade, surreal!
I'm working on getting to Edinburgh during Festival this summer-On Aug 5th they are having a big Y2k piper's celebration and intend to amass 10,000 pipers for a performance. Anyone care to speculate
A) How long that parade would be?
or
B)How many European mainland countries the event will be heard in? (W/O amplification?)

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: Mbo
Date: 01 Mar 00 - 10:17 AM

WHAT?! Sorcha, check out my birthday--12/04/78 at 2 something AM, in Albany, Georgia. Wow--the same birthday--something in common already! **BOG**

--Mbo

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: GUEST,FranK Hamilton
Date: 01 Mar 00 - 10:23 AM

Art,

If it ain't Scottish it's "krep"(lach).

Frank

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: GUEST,FranK Hamilton
Date: 01 Mar 00 - 10:24 AM

Art,

If it ain't Scottish it's "krep"(lach).

(Refer to SNL)

Frank

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: Mbo
Date: 01 Mar 00 - 10:34 AM

WHoa! Ten thousand pipers a' an' a' Ten thousand pipers a' an' a'! Oh, how I'd love them to play MY piobaireachd!

--Mbo

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: Art Thieme
Date: 01 Mar 00 - 10:47 AM

It's a slow lament often played at graveside --- as in the "THE FLOWERS OF THE FOREST" which was played on bagpipe during the graveside service for John F. Kennedy. (for real)

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: Peg
Date: 01 Mar 00 - 10:49 AM

I love "Pibroch: Cap in Hand" by Tull...very evocative song. Songs From the Wood was my favorite album all through high school (still is kinda), and at one time I had myself convinced "Pibroch" was a thinly-veiled teenage boy's masturbation fantasy (and of course this thread probably caused me to remember that!)
In college a friend and I used the little "pibroch" interlude in the song as the accompaniment to a choreography assignment in ballet class (folk steps mostly)...

if anyone is interested:

http://www.obsidianmagazine.com/Pages/iananderson.html

it's an article I wrote analyzing the Celtic/pagan imagery in his songs...

peg
tull scholar

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 01 Mar 00 - 12:19 PM

Thanks, Art, for adding another bit of knowledge to the (horridly few) brain cells I have left.

And I remember sobbing, along with the rest of the nation, when that song was played...way too many years and dreams ago.

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 01 Mar 00 - 12:54 PM

Peg...
Fellow Tullite...
Most of Songs From The Wood, and indeed alot of Ian's songwriting is "thinly-veiled teenage boy's masturbation fantasy"!! LOL!! One of the reasons I like them so much...

Have you seen this site Cup Of Wonder??

A fantastic Jethro Tull Lyric site, with very interesting annotations...

{~`

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: Peg
Date: 01 Mar 00 - 01:42 PM

yeah i have seen that site but have not yet taken the time to look it over thoroughly...there are a few Tull sites out there...i used to receive an online publication (discusion list format) called The St. Cleve Chronicle but I believe it has disbanded...

i would love to find a source for collectibles...i have a few myself but more is better!

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: Mbo
Date: 02 Mar 00 - 12:19 AM

Sorcha, can she add a white streak in there to be totally patriotic?

--Mbo

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: Sorcha
Date: 02 Mar 00 - 12:26 AM

Well, she wears white eye liner. Does that count?

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: Mbo
Date: 02 Mar 00 - 12:32 AM

I guess--sounds like she needs a Mr.Connservative like me to show her the finer points of public presentation! **BOG**

--Mbo

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: Mbo
Date: 02 Mar 00 - 12:35 AM

That is if she want to, anyway!

--Mbo

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: Sabra
Date: 02 Mar 00 - 12:42 AM

The Cup of Wonder site is really great-Thanks for including the link here!
I only have one Tull CD, and Songs from the Wood is it..I suppose you could say that LP was really my introduction to Celtic Music (I was also in high school when I discovered it,Peg)and once I had a wee taste,I simply had to go searching for the roots from whence it came.

Subject: RE: What is a pibroch
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 02 Mar 00 - 04:22 PM

Whats the longest pibroch in the world?

The one you are currently listening to. P.