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Song Fragments

GUEST,Andrew 14 Mar 00 - 09:49 PM
Bill in Alabama 14 Mar 00 - 10:02 PM
Metchosin 14 Mar 00 - 10:23 PM
Hardiman the Fiddler 14 Mar 00 - 10:29 PM
Metchosin 14 Mar 00 - 10:59 PM
Fountainfox 14 Mar 00 - 11:03 PM
Uncle_DaveO 15 Mar 00 - 11:06 AM
Pelrad 15 Mar 00 - 11:15 AM
Uncle_DaveO 15 Mar 00 - 11:34 AM
Malcolm Douglas 15 Mar 00 - 01:26 PM
Ebbie 15 Mar 00 - 02:26 PM
Amos 15 Mar 00 - 03:29 PM
Mary in Kentucky 15 Mar 00 - 04:04 PM
raredance 16 Mar 00 - 12:02 AM
ddw 16 Mar 00 - 12:21 AM
Mary in Kentucky 16 Mar 00 - 07:15 AM
GUEST,Second Banana 16 Mar 00 - 12:01 PM
GUEST,Second Banana 16 Mar 00 - 12:05 PM
GUEST,Bill in Alabama 16 Mar 00 - 12:28 PM
GUEST,Bill in Alabama--not a duplicate 16 Mar 00 - 12:45 PM
Bill D 16 Mar 00 - 01:03 PM
GUEST,Andrew 16 Mar 00 - 02:12 PM
GUEST,Andrew 16 Mar 00 - 02:15 PM
Mary in Kentucky 16 Mar 00 - 02:50 PM
Gern 17 Mar 00 - 09:45 AM
GUEST,Roger the skiffler 17 Mar 00 - 09:59 AM
GUEST,Andrew 17 Mar 00 - 10:27 AM
Mary in Kentucky 19 Mar 00 - 07:54 AM
Mary in Kentucky 19 Mar 00 - 08:00 AM
Mary in Kentucky 19 Mar 00 - 08:03 AM
GUEST,Miss Pj 11 Jan 06 - 11:31 PM
GUEST,song seeker 21 Jan 09 - 08:00 AM
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Sleepy Rosie 21 Jan 09 - 08:45 AM
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Subject: Song Fragments
From: GUEST,Andrew
Date: 14 Mar 00 - 09:49 PM

I have several lovely song fragments that I wish I could find the whole of, including tune. If anyone has a clue on any of these gems I'd be forever grateful. Here they are:

A ship was sailing down the bay, goodbye my lover, goodbye

Poor Little Robin, Walking, walking, walking to Missouri Can't afford to fly Poor little Robin Walking, walking, walking to Missouri With a teardrop in his eye [Maybe this is all there is?]

Somebody else is taking my place, Somebody else now shares your embrace While I am trying to keep from crying You walk around with a smile on your face

I wonder as I wander out under the sky

Oh the Martins and McCoys, they were reckless mountain boys

'Tis sweet to be remembered on a dark and dreary day, by dear friend far away

There's an old fashioned misses, giving old fashioned kisses

You can't stop me from dreamin'

Five minutes more, only five minutes more, Let me stay, let me stay in your arms


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: Bill in Alabama
Date: 14 Mar 00 - 10:02 PM

'Drew-- I can help out on some: I wonder as I wander out under the sky(Title: I wonder as I wander. Frequently treated as a Christmas song, although it was not necessarily meant to be so.)

Oh the Martins and McCoys, they were reckless mountain boys (Title: The Martins and the Coys. Popular song in the late 'forties, early fifties; not necessarily considered folk.)

'Tis sweet to be remembered on a dark and dreary day, by dear friend far away(Title 'Tis Sweet to be Remembered (an old waltz tune, now frequently performed as an instrumental by fiddlers; I believe Mac Wiseman has recorded this.)

Five minutes more, only five minutes more, Let me stay, let me stay in your arms(Title: Five Minutes More. Popular song from the WWII era--perhaps a year or so later). Not considered folk.

Sorry I can't help with the others.


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Subject: Lyr Add: WALKIN' TO MISSOURI (Bob Merrill)
From: Metchosin
Date: 14 Mar 00 - 10:23 PM

WALKIN' TO MISSOURI
(Bob Merrill)
Sammy Kaye 1952

I hope my story don't make you cry,
But this birdie flew too high;
He flew from his old Missouri home.
He fell right into the city ways, like dancin' in cabarets,
From party to party he would roam.

Chorus:
Poor little robin walkin', walkin',walkin' to Missouri;
He can't afford to fly.
Got a penny for a
Poor little robin, walkin' walkin, 'walkin' to Missouri
Got a teardrop in his eye.

He met a birdie who looked so nice,
A real bird of paradise,
Good lookin' but fickle in the heart.
She gave him kisses and gave him sighs
But oh, how she told him lies,
'Cause she loved another from the start.
Chorus:

His dreams are battered, his feathers bent,
Now he hasn't got a cent;
He feels like his heart is gonna break.
So if he ever walks up to you,
Please throw him a crumb or two,
'Cause you could have made the same mistake.
Chorus:


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: Hardiman the Fiddler
Date: 14 Mar 00 - 10:29 PM

I think you might be able to find the whole thing for "I wonder as I wander, out under the sky, how Jesus our Savior did come for to die..." in a hymnal. Or you might find it under an anthology of Christmas Carols.

I got a kick about the robin walkin' to Missouri. My mom used to sing that one to me: I haven't thought about it in about 45+ years. Thanks Metchosin for sending in the words. HTF


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: Metchosin
Date: 14 Mar 00 - 10:59 PM

Hardiman, I remember it vivdly from when I was young, one of our fellow school bus passengers, by the name of Robin, was deposited by the side of the road for misbehaving and everyone hung out the bus windows and seranaded him with this, as the bus pulled away. Dates me, doesn't it?


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Subject: Lyr Add: I WONDER AS I WANDER
From: Fountainfox
Date: 14 Mar 00 - 11:03 PM

One version:

1. I wonder as I wander out under the sky,
How Jesus, the Savior, did come for to die.
For poor ornery people like you and like I --
I wonder as I wander out under the sky.

2. When Mary birthed Jesus, 'twas in a cow's stall,
With wise men and farmers and shepherds and all.
But high from God's heaven a star's light did fall.
And the promise of ages it then did recall.

3. If Jesus had wanted for any wee thing;
A star in the sky or a bird on the wing;
Or all of god's angels in heaven to sing,
He surely could have had it, ?cause He was the King.

4. Repeat of verse 1.

I love that word 'ornery' used where it is. Lets me identify right off. No misprint, either.


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 15 Mar 00 - 11:06 AM

"Ornery", of course, is dialectal for "ordinary", rather than "mean-spirited and hard go get along with".

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: Pelrad
Date: 15 Mar 00 - 11:15 AM

Darn, I was enjoying the thought of being ornery. :-)


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 15 Mar 00 - 11:34 AM

Well, I've been accused before of being a spoilsport, so why shouldn't YOU join in?

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 15 Mar 00 - 01:26 PM

For a discussion of  I Wonder as I Wander and its authorship, do a Forum Search for the title (useful practice!), or  click here.

Malcolm


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Mar 00 - 02:26 PM

My father used to sing:

Oh, I came to the river and I couldn't get across,
goodbye, my lover, goodbye.
I crossed that river on a sway-backed hoss,
goodbye, my lover, goodbye.
Bye, baby, bye-oh, why do you cry so?
Bye baby bye-oh, goodbye, my lover, goodbye.


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: Amos
Date: 15 Mar 00 - 03:29 PM

The image of crossing a river on a sway back hoss recurs in several songs - one being "Down in Rackensack", a variant of the Arkansas Traveler theme, and one being "Turkey in the Straw". Guess it musta happened fairly often before the interstate went through ... :>)


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 15 Mar 00 - 04:04 PM

I found these just quicky going thru a search engine. Don't know where to hear them.

Goodbye My Lover, Goodbye.

Somebody Else is Taking My Place


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: raredance
Date: 16 Mar 00 - 12:02 AM

The Kingston Trio's Christmas album had a "youthanized" version of "Goodnight My Lover". They added some seasonal verses and changed the line to "Good night, my baby, good night". The chorus became "Sleep tight my baby etc.

rich r


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: ddw
Date: 16 Mar 00 - 12:21 AM

I've never heard of The Martins and McCoys (or Martins and the Coys), but there is a song about an infamous feud in (I believe) W. Virginia that starts:

Oh, the Hatfields and McCoys
They was reckless mountain boys?

But that's all I remember of it. We used to sing it when I was a kid.

I just did a forum search for HATFIELDS and came up with a song (not the same) that had this note attached to it.

A song by this title was copyrighted in 1925 by Carson Robison, Shapiro, Bernstein. Feudin' was widely discussed in those days as a "hillbilly" avocation. This one of the very few songs we've found about a feud so far. Anyone remember The Hatfields (or Martins) and the Coys (or McCoys)?

Sorry I can't be more helpful.

david


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 16 Mar 00 - 07:15 AM

I've known some McCoys and visited in Pikeville several years ago.

Mary (from Western and Central KY)


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Subject: Lyr Add: FIVE MINUTES MORE and YOU CAN'T STOP ME..
From: GUEST,Second Banana
Date: 16 Mar 00 - 12:01 PM

FIVE MINUTES MORE

Dear, this evening seemed to go awf'ly fast.
We had so much fun and now you're home at last.
I looked forward to a kiss or two at the garden gate,
But you saved me just one peck and insisted it was late.

Give me five minutes more, only five minutes more.
Let me stay, let me stay, in your arms.
Here am I begging for only five minutes more,
Only five minutes more of your charms.
All week long I dreamed about our Saturday date.
Don't you know that Sunday morning you can sleep late?
Give me five minutes more, only five minutes more.
Let me stay, let me stay, in your arms.



YOU CAN'T STOP ME FROM DREAMING

You can stop me from kissing you.
You can stop me from cuddling, too.
You can treat me mean, honey. That's all right,
But I'll get even with you tonight,
?Cause you can't stop me from dreaming.

You can stop me from holding hands,
Make me listen to your commands.
You can say, "No, no." Honey, that's all right,
But I'll get even with you tonight,
?Cause you can't stop me from dreaming.

From one o'clock to nine, I'll dream you're mine.
Steal a kiss, now see what you're gonna miss.
You can stop me from romancing you.
You're the boss now, but we're not through.
You can treat me mean. Honey, that's all right,
But I'll get even with you tonight,
?Cause you can't stop me from dreaming.


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: GUEST,Second Banana
Date: 16 Mar 00 - 12:05 PM

I think I remembered the words to this, but I wouldnt swear to anything.

Somebody else is taking my place. Somebody else now shares your embrace. While I am trying to keep from crying, You go around with a smile on your face. Little you care for vows that you made Little you care how much I have paid. My heart is aching, my heart is breaking, For somebody's taking my place.


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: GUEST,Bill in Alabama
Date: 16 Mar 00 - 12:28 PM

I dimly remember having heard a song about the Martins and the Coys many years ago. Although I can't document it at the moment, I am pretty sure that the Martin/Coy fracas was in no way related to the 19th-century feud between the Hatfields and McCoys. I'll keep looking.


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: GUEST,Bill in Alabama--not a duplicate
Date: 16 Mar 00 - 12:45 PM

The Martins and the Coys is the name of a Ballad Opera (whatever that might be) released some years ago by Alan Lomax, and recently released on cd.


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Mar 00 - 01:03 PM

if you go to the top of the page and enter "coys" in the database search box, you will get a href=/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=6684>this hit...entire Martin-Coy song ...*grin*..never doubt Dick Greenhaus and the scope of the Digitrad

(I remember singing "Five Minutes More" in 1st grade..about 1946...but have no idea of the words now)


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: GUEST,Andrew
Date: 16 Mar 00 - 02:12 PM

Thanks all, so much. I'll refresh this one more time with the following fragment I forgot to include originally:

Rolling over the ocean, rolling over the sea, Rolling over the ocean and the deep blue sea. [I expect this is the chorus of the song]


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: GUEST,Andrew
Date: 16 Mar 00 - 02:15 PM

By the way, anyone know where MIDIs might be found for songs such as these?


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 16 Mar 00 - 02:50 PM

Andrew,

There are several ways to find MIDIs; it just depends on how much time you want to devote to the search. But the nice thing about searching is that you find other stuff along the way.

1)check the Digitrad. Type in the song title. Many times there is a one-line melody MIDI (or several) to go along with the words. Search the forum for a thread with the song title. When SuperSearch is back, you can search the bodies of the messages in the forum.

2)If it's folk/traditional try Lesley Nelson's site http://www.contemplator.com/folk which also has Barry Taylor's MIDIs and a nice search engine.

3)Use The MIDI Search Engine http://www.musicrobot.com which will give you lots of arrangements for fairly well-known songs.

4) Use a search engine to search for link:nameofmidi.mid

I very quickly found "Five Minutes More" (actual name is "Give Me Five Minutes More but the MIDI is often named fivemin.mid)here using the MIDI Search Engine.

I found another jazzy version using Altavista.

Whew, good luck.

Mary


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: Gern
Date: 17 Mar 00 - 09:45 AM

I can at least identify a few of them. "'Tis Sweet to be Remembered" is an old tune that has been covered on the bluegrass circuit by Flatt and Scruggs and Mac Wiseman, and Ricky Skaggs is playing it these days. It's on the F&S LP "Don't Get Above Your Raising" and perhaps on Ricky Skaggs' latest. "Five Minutes More" was a Sinatra hit some 50 years ago.


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 17 Mar 00 - 09:59 AM

Thanks for the reminder of the "Martins and the Coys". I'd completely forgotten I used to know it till I saw it again (if you see what I mean, Doh!).
RtS)


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: GUEST,Andrew
Date: 17 Mar 00 - 10:27 AM

Mary, thanks so much for your tips, etc. I got a couple more great song sites as a result of your search. Can I bother you once more, to tell a dummy how you did the search that produced those?


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 19 Mar 00 - 07:54 AM

Hello Andrew (and Escamillo),

Andrew-I'm not sure which search you're asking about. You may just want some tips on searching. Here's the Bare Bones Search Tutorial. The tips here apply to most search engines, but for you favorite one you should read their help page.

The MIDI Search Engine finds MIDIs when you type in the name of the song you're looking for. In #4 above, I was thinking about AltaVista or FastSearch (there are tons of search engines) because they seem to find more stuff although sometimes you get a lot of junk. Just take a guess at what you think the name of the MIDI would be, and type "link:nameofmidi.mid" in the search box. (without the quotes). You can use this trick to see who has linked to your favorite pages also. Just type "link:URLoffavoritepage" etc.

Escamillo-to embed a MIDI file I use this code:
(left arrow)BGSOUND SRC="nameofmidi.mid"(right arrow)
(left arrow) This used to take care of both Explorer and Navigator but may be a little dated now. Just View/Source your favorite page and copy the code.

Good luck.
Mary (who exits to the tune of the Carmen ending, you know the one, where she gets stabbed!)


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 19 Mar 00 - 08:00 AM

oops...make that Bare Bones Search Tutorial

Also, sorry everyone for messing up this entire page by putting that code for embedding a MIDI in my post. That's why you get a message when you load this thread that the MIDI can't be found. Escamillo, that's why I should have put (left arrow) and (right arrow) when I was talking about the code, instead of actually doing it!

Mary


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 19 Mar 00 - 08:03 AM

oops again...I give up. I'll try to send a personal message.

Mary


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: GUEST,Miss Pj
Date: 11 Jan 06 - 11:31 PM

I stumbled on to your question about The Martins and the Coys song by accident. My Mom used to sing that song and had the words all written out by hand in an old notebook. Ted Werems and Al Cameron wrote the song in 1936. It is quite a lengthly ballad of seven verses, plus chorus. I hope this helps you if somewhat delayed.


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: GUEST,song seeker
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 08:00 AM

I got an email about Harry Truman's presidency this morning which brought "Poor Little Robin" to mind. I remember hearing it about the time he left office, and thought it referred to him.


Chorus:
Poor little robin, walkin', walkin' walkin' to Missouri
He can't afford to fly.
Poor little robin, walkin', walkin', walkin' to Missouri,
Got a teardrop in his eye.

I hope my story don't make you cry,
But this birdie flew too high,
He flew from his old Missouri home,
He got caught up in the city ways
Like dancing in caberets
From party to party he did roam.


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: GUEST,song seeker
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 08:03 AM

Oops! First line should have been
I hope my story don't make you cry


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 08:45 AM

The idea of 'Song Fragments' is too enchanting. They make me think of shattered pieces of parchment, or broken butterfly wings. Or leaves dropped many autumns ago - a phrase is caught up in an eddy, and dances briefly, to be lost and scattered by the breeze.


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: GUEST,Black Hawk on works pc
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 08:55 AM

If anyone is still interested in the 'Martins & McCoys' I have a version of this by (I think) Chad Morgan.
I can post the words here if needed.


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: Little Robyn
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 01:57 PM

There's a more recent thread here on the first fragment aske for:
Goodbye my lover goodbye

And my Mum used to sing Poor little robin to me when I was very young.
Robyn


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE LOVE OF ROSANNA McCOY
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 21 Jan 09 - 04:15 PM

This is the only song related to the feud that I was able to locate. I have no idea what the tune might be. Absent evidence, Improvise!


THE LOVE OF ROSANNA McCOY

Come and listen to my story,
Of fair Rosanna McCoy.
She loved Johnse Hatfield,
Old Devil Anse's boy.

But the McCoys and Hatfields,
Had long engaged in strife.
And never the son of a Hatfield,
Should take a McCoy to wife.

But when they met each other,
On Blackberry Creek, they say.
She was riding behind her brother,
When Johnse rode along that way.

"Who is that handsome fellow?"
She asked young Tolbert McCoy.
Said he, "Turn your head sister,"
"That's Devil Anse's boy."

But somehow they met each other,
And it grieved the Hatfields sore.
While, Randall, the young girl's father
Turned his daughter from his door.

It was down at old Aunt Betty's,
They were courting one night they say
When down came Rosanna's brothers,
And took young Johnse away.

And Rosanna's heart was heavy,
For she hoped to be his wife,
And well she knew her brothers,
Would take his precious life.

Straight to the Hatfield's stronghold,
She rode, so fearless and brave,
To tell them that Johnse was in danger
And beg them his life to save.

And the Hatfields rode in a body,
And saved young Johnse's life.
But "Never," they said, "a Hatfield,
Should take a McCoy to wife."

But the feud is long forgotten,
And time has healed the sting,
As little Bud and Melissy,
This song of their kinsmen sing.

No longer is it forbidden,
That a fair-haired young McCoy,
Shall love her fair-haired neighbor,
Or marry a Hatfield boy.

And the people still remember,
Though she never became his bride,
The love of those two young people,
And Rosanna's midnight ride.
The poem/lyrics are from an anonymous author that I found in the 1960s.


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE MARTINS AND THE COYS
From: GUEST,Ruben
Date: 11 Aug 11 - 05:26 AM

http://www.cowboylyrics.com/tabs/autry-gene/the-martins-and-the-coys-8216.html
You'll find the lyrics and cords here.



THE MARTINS AND THE COYS
Recorded by Gene Autry (with Smiley Burnette)
Words and music by Alan Cameron and Ted Weems

[D] Gather 'round me children and I'll [A7] tell a [D] story
Of the mountains and the days when guns was [A7] law
When two [D] fam'lies got to feudin'
It was [G] bound to end in shootin'
So just [D] listen close, I'll [A7] tell you what I [D] saw.

Oh, the [G] Martins and the Coys they were [D] reckless mountain boys
And they took up family feudin' when they'd [A7] meet
They would [D] shoot each other quicker
Than it [G] took your eye to flicker
They could [D] knock a squirrel's eye [A7] out at ninety [D] feet.

All this fightin' started out one sunday morning
When old grandpa Coy was full of mountain dew
Just as quite as a churchmouse, he stole in the Martin's henhouse
Cause the Coys they needed eggs for breakfast, too.

Oh, The Martins and the Coys, they were reckless mountain boys
Coz old grandpa Coy's gone where angels live
When they found him on the mountain
He was bleedin' like a fountain
Cause they punctured him 'til he looked like a sieve.

After that they started out to fight in earnest
And they scarred the mountains up with shot and shell
There was uncles, brothers, cousins
Why they bumped them off by dozens
Just how many bit the dust is hard to tell.

Oh, The Martins and the Coys, they were reckless mountain boys
At the art of killin' they become quite deft
They all know'd they shouldn't do it
But before they hardly knew it
On each side they only had one person left.

Now the sole remainin' Martin was a maiden
And as purty as a picture was this Grace
While the one survivin' boy was the handsome Henry Coy
And the folks all knew they'd soon meet face to face.

Oh, The Martins and the Coys, they were reckless mountain boys
But their shootin' and their killin' sure played [hob]
And it didn't bring no joy to know that Grace and Henry Coy
Both had sworn that they would finish up the job.

So, they finally met upon a mountain pathway
And young Henry Coy he aimed his gun at Grace
He was set to pull the trigger, when he saw her purty figure
You could see that love had kicked him in the face.

Oh, The Martins and the Coys, they were reckless mountain boys
But they say their ghostly cussin' gives them chills
But the hatchet sure was buried, when sweet Grace and Henry married
It broke up the best durn feud in these here hills.

You may think this is where the story ended
But I'm tellin' you the ghosts don't cuss no more
Cause since Grace and Henry wedded
They fight worse than all the rest did
And they carry on the feud just like before.


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: GUEST,Ruben
Date: 18 Dec 11 - 10:37 PM

The song you want was recorded by Gene Autry and the lyrics can be found at this site:



http://www.cowboylyrics.com/tabs/autry-gene/the-martins-and-the-coys-8216.html


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: GUEST,Ruben
Date: 20 Dec 11 - 12:27 AM

There are 5 or 6 versions of the song on YouTube, including a cartoon.


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Subject: RE: Song Fragments
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 20 Dec 11 - 04:08 AM

Martins & Coys featured in Disney's compilation Make Mine Music 1946:
Film segments
         The Martins and the Coys (by popular radio vocal group,      King's Men)
         Blue Bayou
         All the Cats Join In
         Without You
         Casey at the Bat
         Two Silhouettes
         Peter and the Wolf
         After You've Gone
         Johnny Fedora and Alice Blue Bonnet
         The Whale Who Wanted to Sing at the Met

This is the cartoon segment on Youtube mentioned above

~Michael~


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