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Lyr Req: 'Oirland was Oirland...'

GUEST,Dunkle 18 Mar 00 - 08:40 AM
GUEST,Philippa 18 Mar 00 - 01:36 PM
TheOldMole 18 Mar 00 - 02:22 PM
Jim Dixon 22 Apr 10 - 08:02 PM
Seamus Kennedy 22 Apr 10 - 11:04 PM
GUEST,Jerry 09 Dec 17 - 12:07 PM
GUEST,JTT 11 Dec 17 - 09:52 AM
GUEST,JTT 12 Dec 17 - 02:14 AM
GUEST,pauperback 12 Dec 17 - 09:03 AM
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Subject: 'Oirland was Oirland...'
From: GUEST,Dunkle
Date: 18 Mar 00 - 08:40 AM

I have an old family document dated March 17 09 - St. Patrick's Day - in which a great uncle refers to "that good old Song that has cheered the hearts of your forbears for years past"; one line of the song is quoted: "Oirland was Oirland when England was a (can't read it)". Is there anyone who can help me track this song down? Best, Don Houghton


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Subject: RE: Help: 'Oirland was Oirland...'
From: GUEST,Philippa
Date: 18 Mar 00 - 01:36 PM

"Ireland was Ireland when England was a pup
Ireland will be Ireland when England's time is up" ?
I don't know who coined the phrase nor whether it's part of a longer verse


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Subject: RE: Help: 'Oirland was Oirland...'
From: TheOldMole
Date: 18 Mar 00 - 02:22 PM

The way I heard it, from an old 50s folkie named Jimmy Gavin (anyone remember him)?

Now here's to good St. Patrick who by strategy and stealth
Drove all the saints from Ireland, here's a bumper to his health
But not too many bumpers, or we'll lose our heads and then
We'll forget the good St. Patrick, and see the snakes again

Now Ireland was Ireland when England was a pup
And Ireland will be Ireland, we'll lick those muckers up,
I'm a good old Roman Catholic, I go to church each Mass,
But ye lousy British Protestants can kiss me Irish ass.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Oirland was Oirland...'
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 22 Apr 10 - 08:02 PM

I searched for this in Google Books, and I found several books that quote a couple of lines, but nothing more than that. Sometimes they called it an "old song."


Variations include:

"Ireland was a nation when…"
"…when England's broken up."
"…when England's buggered up."
"…when England's beggared up." (I assume that's a euphemism.)

"Ireland was Ireland when England was not much,
And Ireland will be Ireland when England is Dutch." (from 1914)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Oirland was Oirland...'
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 22 Apr 10 - 11:04 PM

The way I heard it was:

Ireland was Ireland when England was a pup,
Ireland will be Ireland, when England's broken up.
I am the best damn Catholic that ever when to Mass,
And every Limey sonofabitch can kiss my Irish ass.

*Sigh* Just gets you right in the ol' pump, doesn't it?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Oirland was Oirland...'
From: GUEST,Jerry
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 12:07 PM

Ireland was Ireland when England was a pup
Ireland was Ireland b’fore the crown had been thought up
??????????????
So come all ye limey bastards and kiss my Irish ass

Does anyone have any more of these lyrics?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Oirland was Oirland...'
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 11 Dec 17 - 09:52 AM

I think that St Patrick drove the snakes from Ireland rather than the saints… or maybe not…


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Oirland was Oirland...'
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 12 Dec 17 - 02:14 AM

Incidentally, Americans may not know this, but spelling Ireland as 'Oirland' and Irish as 'Oirish' is a sneering British thing, mocking what our accent sounds like to them, and also suggesting that Ireland isn't (they wish!) a 'real' country.

This song, whose first verse or perhaps chorus is occasionally quoted in old books, seems to have sunk without trace, and from the sound of it that's no harm!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Oirland was Oirland...'
From: GUEST,pauperback
Date: 12 Dec 17 - 09:03 AM

This whole business of 'kiss my Irish ass' has me a bit puzzled.

It seems so haughty, flying in the face of something you'd be better off not too.

For example after 9/11 and the hero-ication of the NYFD there was some type of a televised memorial event when a large red-faced (seemed drank to me) man in a dress fireman's uninform was making a speech which he ended with "they can kiss my royal Irish ass!"

I was a little taken aback and wrote it off to East Coast hijinks until a day or two later a jet airliner dropped right into his neighborhood.


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