Lyr/Chords Req: For a few items (closed thread)

Subject: For a few items ~ some are SCA.
From: GUEST,Azure MacGregor
Date: 20 Mar 00 - 06:45 PM

Hello everybody.

I belong to a medieval society called the SCA (Society for Creative Anachronisms; www.sca.org). Not all the songs are by our people, however we are looking for some info (any info) on the following list of songs:

- Comes the Fallen Fighter (who did it? words? tune?) - High Barbary (who did it? tune? - i have the words) - Henry Martin (who did it? is it traditional?) - Finnegan's Wake (Clancy Brothers only or traditional?) - Down at the Inn (who did it? is it traditional?)

Thanks for your time,

Azure

Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: For a few items ~ some are SC
From: DougR
Date: 20 Mar 00 - 07:20 PM

The Burl Ives Song Book credits Charles Dibden with writing "High Barbaree.

I'm sure you will be receiving information on the others soon.

DougR

Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: For a few items ~ some are SC
From: MMario
Date: 20 Mar 00 - 08:48 PM

you can get the tune(s) for High Barbary at http://www.numachi.com/cgi-bin/rickheit/dtrad/lookup?ti=HIGHBARB&tt=HIGHBRB1;HIGHBRB2

Henry/Andrew Martin is a Child's Ballad - with many variations.

The digital tradition lists Finnagan's wake as being Laws Q17

The remaining two sound like SCA songs to me.

Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: For a few items ~ some are SC
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Mar 00 - 08:53 PM

Hi, Azure - the blue search box on this page may answer some of your question. I found tune and lyrics for "FINNEGAN'S WAKE" here (click), and lyrics and two tunes for "HIGH BARBAREE" here (click). Lyrics and tune for "HENRY MARTIN" are here (click). I couldn't find "Down at the Inn" or "Fallen Fighter" - maybe if you post a few words from the songs, somebody can help you find it.
I'd like to hear more detail from DougR's book that contends Charles Dibden wrote "High Barbaree." My guess is that all the songs I linked to are "traditional."
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: For a few items ~ some are SC
From: GUEST,Azure
Date: 20 Mar 00 - 09:39 PM

I have the words already to High Barbaree, Henry Martin, and Finnegans Wake. Ideally, what I need to know is are these traditional songs or do they belong to someone through a copyright. (I have most of these songs on my site www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Dome/songbook.htm in ZIP format. Still in process of breaking them down into dbases - GaD!)

Also, the site with High Barbaree and the sheet music, wow. EXCEPTIONAL!!!! That is a real keeper.

As well, Charles Dibden: I did a search on him and he came up on a Titanic roster list page (heh) I do not think this is right. I will continue to dig.

Thanx everybody fer yer helpness.

Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: For a few items ~ some are SC
From: MMario
Date: 20 Mar 00 - 09:57 PM

the three songs joe linked that you have words to are traditional. What you need to avoid is copyrighted arrangments.

Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: For a few items ~ some are SC
From: paddymac
Date: 20 Mar 00 - 10:33 PM

The Duke University site (you can find it through the links) includes a copy of Finnegan's published in the US in 1838 (click here). The data synopsis with it would lead you to believe that was the original, but when you actually view the work, it is clearly titled as "an arrangement of the popular Irish song". I don't know any earlier publication dates, but the song evidently pre-dates 1838. I think you can safely consider the song traditional by most definitions.

Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: For a few items ~ some are SC
From: DougR
Date: 21 Mar 00 - 01:54 AM

Joe Offer: The Burl Ives Song Book offers nothing other than crediting "High Barbaree" to Charles Dibdin, "writer of songs for the British Navy."

DougR

Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: For a few items ~ some are SC
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Mar 00 - 03:28 AM

Oh, gee, I should have had a looksee at the Traditional Ballad Index - click here for their information on "High Barbaree" - the earliest known version of the song is 1670.
Click here for their reference on "Henry Martyn," date unknown. It's Child Ballad 250, so it had to come out before Child published his book in the last half of the 19th century. You can Click here for the 1864 sheet music for "Finigan's Wake," and Click here for the Ballad Index information on the song.
-Joe Offer-