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MMario 23 Mar 00 - 04:06 PM
AllisonA(Animaterra) 23 Mar 00 - 05:27 PM
Callie 23 Mar 00 - 05:28 PM
Mbo 23 Mar 00 - 05:37 PM
catspaw49 23 Mar 00 - 06:51 PM
GUEST 23 Mar 00 - 07:00 PM
Mbo 23 Mar 00 - 07:03 PM
catspaw49 23 Mar 00 - 07:09 PM
Mbo 23 Mar 00 - 07:20 PM
Lady McMoo 23 Mar 00 - 07:24 PM
alison 23 Mar 00 - 07:27 PM
Lady McMoo 23 Mar 00 - 07:35 PM
ceitagh 23 Mar 00 - 07:41 PM
catspaw49 23 Mar 00 - 08:57 PM
ceitagh 23 Mar 00 - 09:08 PM
Áine 23 Mar 00 - 09:11 PM
Big Mick 23 Mar 00 - 09:12 PM
momnopp 23 Mar 00 - 09:13 PM
Callie 23 Mar 00 - 09:26 PM
GUEST,Homeless 23 Mar 00 - 09:49 PM
Mbo 23 Mar 00 - 10:12 PM
JenEllen 23 Mar 00 - 10:21 PM
Caitrin 23 Mar 00 - 10:22 PM
GUEST,Homeless 23 Mar 00 - 10:27 PM
Mbo 23 Mar 00 - 10:27 PM
Mbo 23 Mar 00 - 10:31 PM
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Subject: Long weekend -
From: MMario
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 04:06 PM

just so people don't panic....I'm leaving in 31 minutes for North Carolina, and will be gone until (probably) tuesday morning. I may be back monday night, but probably won't be coherent. It's going to be one of those trips....

If anyone is in the Raleigh NC area, and has free time this saturday and sunday (3/25/00 & 3/26/00), I will be performing at the North Carolina Renaissance Festival --How much I will get to do I don't know, but The Ship's Company has four shows a day scheduled, and I hope I will get to attend at least one!


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 05:27 PM

Have a great time, MMario!


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: Callie
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 05:28 PM

DO you have a laptop, or will you be bereft for three whole days?


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: Mbo
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 05:37 PM

Ha ha, have a fun time here in ol' Eastern North Carolina--hope it really ISN'T going to rain all weekend like MMMMMarvin Doherty says!

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: catspaw49
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 06:51 PM

Geeziz Meebo.....What the hell is the matter with you? Raleigh is what ... 85 or 90 miles from you? I remember driving it in under 2 hours on several occasions.....GET OUT IN THE WORLD AND OFF THE SIMPLE ASS COMPUTER!!!!

You have a great guy that you have come to know well here and who likes you coming to within 90 miles of you and you say "Have a fun time?" Mario is a great guy and often provides you with much encouragement and you're not going to drive a few miles to see him??? When you apologized for that crappola last night, a lot of people told you that you need to get out with a few 3-D friends...Well guess what kid?? You already KNOW Mario and you could be out having a nice time with him and enjoy meeting another 'Catter in the flesh!!!

So what are you going to do this weekend...Sit around and evacuate your bladder and wind your watch? TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY!!! Mario would get a huge kick out of it...and so would you....so DO IT!!!!!!

This isn't humor ... I'm completely serious.....GO MEET MARIO!!!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 07:00 PM

I concur


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: Mbo
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 07:03 PM

'Spaw, you make it sound SOOOO easy! You people just don't get it, do you! I'd love to meet Mario, but a.) it's on a weekend, too jam packed, and it's over 100 miles b.) I HAVE homework...I have a 6 page design test next week, need to study c.)I've never been to Raleigh before, and I'd probably get lost d.) My parents would never let me e.) driving THAT much in three days is NOT something I look forward to. I have PRIORITIES, and I will continue to have them until I graduate.

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: catspaw49
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 07:09 PM

I can't do squat about your parents...but 90 miles??? We all have things to do and I can ASSURE you that you have no idea what the real world of time and responsibility will put on you!!! Life is short...trust me. Design test and the like......20 years from now, you and everyone else won't give a shit about it, but you WOULD remember the fun of meeting Mario. You whine about your lack of 3-D friends and here's this and what do you do? Bury your head in trivial bullshit!!!!!!!!!!! For gawdsakes, take a chance on the real world.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: Mbo
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 07:20 PM

You bet you stinkin' life it bloody means something! If I don't pass, I DON'T move onto the next level. And it takes EVEN longer to graduate. Sorry for being the jerk again. But this is more important right now. When I graduate and get a job, and have TIME for a real life, I can traipse all over the country meeting Catters. But not right now.

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: Lady McMoo
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 07:24 PM

Spaw's right Mbo...take the opportunity to see Mario. It was a real joy for me to hear Barry Finn and some other 'Catters singing in Boston a couple of months ago and I only missed the FSGW (is that right?) Mini-Fest with Kath Westra et al in Washington because of unalterable travel arrangements. And I'll be trying to look up 'Catters when I'm in the Chicago area for a while in May. And heck...I have to come all the way from Belgium!

Grab the moment man!

Best regards,

mcmoo


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: alison
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 07:27 PM

couldn't you just do a bit of extra studying earlier, and make the time??....... I'd love to get the chance to meet some mudcatters... unfortunately none of them do road trips to OZ......

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: Lady McMoo
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 07:35 PM

Take it from me Mbo...when you graduate and get a job and possibly other numerous responsibilities you'll have bugger all time for anything. And I'll personally vouch that the higher up the greasy pole you get the harder it becomes.

I recommend grabbing the opportunity now if you possibly can, it may never come again.

And Alison...I promise I'll call by, instrument at hand, if I manage to get to Oz.

All the best,

mcmoo


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: ceitagh
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 07:41 PM

meebs, sometimes we gotta do something for ourselves *now* and leave the work and study for another time...lots o' your metalhead classmates likely slack off and go to concerts, and they pass courses...so will you.

that said, give the guy a break (see what a low and roguish hypocrite am i?) so meebs got priorities...he knows what he wants to accomplish and knows he's gotta work hard to do it...that kinda work ethic is enviable (specially since i'll probably never have one :-)) and we shouldn't be giving him a hard time about it. i doubt it's easy on him knowing that Mario will be so close, and i'm sure mbo can beat up on himself without our help jus' fine.

pax,

kate (tho if i'm ever within 90 miles, you had better find a way to visit, meebs!!! )


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: catspaw49
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 08:57 PM

A nice thought Kate....and if I push him, it's because I do


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: ceitagh
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 09:08 PM

Spaw said:

"A nice thought Kate....and if I push him, it's because I do"

do what?
kate


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: Áine
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 09:11 PM

Sheee-iiit, Mbo! 90-100 miles? Geez, that's going to the grocery store down here in Texas! Get off yer butt and go see the man!! Give me a break -- what's that, an hour or two either way? And knowing your sweet little anal tendencies, you could probably write that paper or whatever standing on your head in a couple of hours.

If you don't go, I don't EVER want to hear ONE MORE DANG WHINY WORD from you about ANYTHING!!

-- Áine


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: Big Mick
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 09:12 PM

Mbo, what the hell is the matter with ye, lad??? You are a nice enough chap, but you are entirely too young to be so driven that you canna take what amounts to a single day to have an experience that you won't soon forget. You could leave by 7 am, be there by 9:30 a.m., have a great day, leave by 6:00 p.m and still be home in time to study for a couple of hours.

McMoo, let me know when you are in Chicago. It is only a 2 hour drive, or so, and I would love to meet you somewhere and have a song or two. Let me know.

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: momnopp
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 09:13 PM

Mbo - taking care of your heart IS a priority. Believe me, real people are well worth the time, effort, etc. Studies ARE important, too - but you'll find a way to work that in, too. It's great you're motivated to do well. The joy of connecting with a kindred spirit is something you can't put on a shelf. 'Catters are by nature mostly a bunch driven by our hearts. Let yours sing for just a little bit, knowing you'll come back to the serious stuff in just a couple days.

I have to say I'm with Pat on this one. Live a little, kiddo! We love you and want you to flourish.

JudyO


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: Callie
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 09:26 PM

Could you get the train and study there and back??!


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: GUEST,Homeless
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 09:49 PM

Mbo - stop, take a few deep breaths, and figure out why you don't want to go. The studying is a valid reason for not going (and admirable), the rest are bullshit. It looks like you don't want to go (subconciously?) for some reason and came up with all those excuses on why you shouldn't. And most of those seem rooted in fear.
Having been in your exact position not too many years ago (and many times since), I did what you seem to be doing and wussed out. I have since regretted that many times.
I would like to suggest that you figure out the real reason you don't want to meet MMario, and once you recognize it, decide if you still want to stay home or not. Don't let everyone bully you into going (because then you might resent going) but at least be honest with yourself on why you don't want to go.
Good luck.


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: Mbo
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 10:12 PM

Well LOOKY who's being pushy tonight! Well, you goofballs, I'm going to try. That's all I can promise you. This is some scary stuff I'm facing here--I've never driven to Raleigh, never been on a interstate, scared of getting lost, and especially with no on to read a map for me in case I do get lost, the fact that I've never driven anywhere far (over 15 miles) by myself, and trying to bribe my parents to let me go. But all I can do is try, OK? So will you get off my bloody backs now?

--Mbo (next, it's YOUS guys turn to come visit ME!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: JenEllen
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 10:21 PM

I have NEVER been on your back, Mbo *BESEG*

But I do have to agree with Spaw (gasp) 90 miles is NOT a big deal. And getting lost is FUN. For crissakes buy a map or something if you are that anal about it.

Remember what I told you about "Will it matter a year from now?" As I see it you have two choices for the year.
1) ace your test and miss out on a friend
or
2)study at red lights, barely pass the test, and have a GREAT story to tell the grandkids about the time you got your arse lost in Raleigh.

Have a nice trip luv! Elle


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: Caitrin
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 10:22 PM

What time do things get geared up out there, and where in Raleigh? (I'm assuming State Fairgrounds, but you know what happens when you assume...) My parents are into medieval/renaissance stuff enough that I can probably convince them that we should go.


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: GUEST,Homeless
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 10:27 PM

Mbo - in another month or two I will be driving a moving van from Chicago to Charleston, SC nonstop (16 hours). If I can manage to take some form of transportation with me so I don't have to take the bus back, I will drop by to see you. I'd also like to visit Spaw if that can be worked out.
I've been to Raleigh. It's big, overwhelming, but it's only streets and buildings - just like any other city or town. Don't worry about getting lost or reading a map - you can always pull over to read the map. If you get too lost, ask someone for directions.
As for the distance... How many times have you driven 15 miles? 90 miles is only six 15 miles. Drive 15 miles, pull over and take a break for 10 minutes. Drive 15 more, take a break. And no one says you have to use the interstate. Look for US or state highways and use those. It'll take a little longer, but you'll end up at the same place. I once went on a month long tour of New England - over 2200 miles of which only 200 were on the interstate.
I hope this helps. Good luck and enjoy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: Mbo
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 10:27 PM

Dang! Why couldn't he leave us more info! I guess I could search the net for where it is...but I wish he'd told us some general times!

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: Mbo
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 10:31 PM

I'm gonna try, Homeless!

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: catspaw49
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 10:54 PM

TRY!!!

The Ren-Fairre, 3/25 and 3/26, is at the state fairgrounds which is on the west side of Raleigh. Take 264 out of Greenville WEST to Raleigh. It joins with 64 just outside of town...follow the signs for 64 and when it joins I-440 (belt) go to the south. Stay on 440 and there's an exit for the fairgrounds. Buy a map and you'll find it easily.

As far as the advice you've gotten here .... These people are your friends laddybuck and they've "Been there...Done that." I worked my ass off in the business world and left a Fortune 500 at age 42 at the top of my game. I'd always made plenty of time for doing what I wanted, but I worked 60 hours a week a lot of that time. But when I left, my resignation letter said I didn't want my life or my new young son's to wind up like a Harry Chapin song lyric. I wonder now how much all of that contributed to the heart attack, the by-pass, the blood pressure, the aneurism...........Whatever I have left, I'm not going to waste it on "things."

Make time for what's important. School is great and work can be great too. People are important. You need to say that 20 times a day....People are important. Nobody cares about the other stuff in the final analysis.......People are important.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: Mbo
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 10:59 PM

I got an NC atlas, Spaw, I'll put it to good use.

--Mbo (Do you think I could bring my guitar?)


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: Wavestar
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 11:32 PM

Mbo-

I'm glad you're going to try, and best of luck... Ren Faires are a blast, meeting friends always brightens up a day. Have fun!

For the rest of you-

I know you're concerned about Mbo, and that's why you push him to go and do stuff, but I have to say, when I first read a couple of those posts, my reaction was, WHAT THE HELL? Mbo is trying to get a degree- that's a serious commitment. I know you all have yours, and remember the carefree easy days, and remember that stuff isn't important years later, but it's bloody important at the time. Sometimes if you don't get work in, it means a failure, and that's another six months you devote to this goal... for a day? I'm a slacker myself, but I know there are times when, good times or no, work comes first.

Secondly, I think the point that Mbo's parents wouldn't let him go, and he's never driven that far by himself before are pretty important. There are first times for everything, of course, and they can be and usually are a lot of fun... but parents can be a difficult obstacle to surmount, which some of you may have forgotten. Mbo's, from what I've heard, sound VERY difficult.

Anyway. Enough of a point by point debate... I guess what I'm saying is, don't come down so hard on him. Encouragement generally works better than saying, "Change your priorities and your life instantly or I'll never want to hear what you have to say again."

If you know what I mean.

$.02

-J


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: Sorcha
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 11:36 PM

Don't really know RenFaire ettiquitte, but I think you should only take your guitar if 1)You dress period, and 2)are willing to leave it in the car if it is not welcome (aarrrggh, not me!)
And, I got lost in the worst part of Dallas one night at 2AM, was a bunch of "homies" on the corner, so I just pulled over and asked them how to find Irving Blvd. (only it's boo-lay-vard in TexSpeak). They told me, and I was on my way! (Also managed to get lost in Lufkin the next day, Aine will get a kick outta that!)


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: Jeri
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 11:38 PM

Mbo, we're a bunch of old farts who grew up listening to Harry Chapin sing The Cat's in the Cradle. I'm pretty sure some of us also said "after [whatever] I'll be able to relax and have fun because there will be more time." There will never more time unless you make it. Your life is now, not some mythical future that will never come. If you can't manage to make the time, then stay home and study. If you're afraid of the unknown, face it.

About getting lost - this is something I plan on. I drove 11 hours to Toronto, where I'd never been before, to spend a few days with people I'd never met before. I drove around lost for about an hour until I stopped at a bowling alley and asked directions. I met some great people there who went out of their way to make sure I got to the Fielding's house. You better believe it was worth it.

I've been lost lots of times, but I've always been found. I can't imagine not being found. (Oh, yeah - I remember Jeri. She started driving to Podunk one day and nobody's seen her since...probably still out there somewhere...") I just make sure I have plenty of gas in the car.


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: Mbo
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 11:46 PM

Thanks for all the support, everyone! Peroid? Does blue jeans and my Carolina Panthers t-shirt with the dollop of silicone joint compound count as period? With a Yamaha 6 string?

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: GUEST,Homeless
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 11:51 PM

Wavestar - I would concede the point on the parents issue IF he had said he'd already asked and they answered "No." But the tone of the message implied he was only predicting what they would do, not what was done. IOW, operating in fear.


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: catspaw49
Date: 23 Mar 00 - 11:51 PM

Wavestar, I appreciate fully what you are saying and of course the things you mention are important......but as to Meebo.......

We care about the boy certainly, but many times, he doesn't listen and threats are of course a last resort. But believe me this group will enforce the threats to get him to face the situation...which to his credit, he has done. We're serious in this case. Much honey has been used in the past and NOW is the time for vinegar. He's a smart young fella' and he knows we're friends...but its time to get on with life as Jeri suggested. Waiting for him will only make it worse. I believe in encouragement. We've been encouraging. This was the time for a swift kick in the ass.......and he has survived and I think we may all soon be bored to tears listening to tales of his time with Mario. Hope so anyway.

Keep it goin' Meebo!!! You're doin' great!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: Mbo
Date: 24 Mar 00 - 12:00 AM

Thanks...oh man! I'm gonna have to get some film for the camera! Wait I got period clothes! These! I'll be the Philadelphia yankee in Mario's court! Dang, wish I had that kilt, then I could be Mbo Ruadh...

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Mar 00 - 12:04 AM

Honey, no Tee shirts are not period, even if they are belted. We are talking tights, codpieces, and cotehardies here! Floppy hats with feathers!Pointy toed shoes! Think Robin Hood, Men in Tights! Go for it, dearest friend!


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: katlaughing
Date: 24 Mar 00 - 12:07 AM

Mbo, any chance your sister could go along as a mapreader, moral support, etc?


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: Mbo
Date: 24 Mar 00 - 12:10 AM

Um....sorry, no clothes like than? What if I go naked? Y'know, say I'm an ancient warrior Gael ready for battle? Only I don't have any weapons...

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: Mbo
Date: 24 Mar 00 - 12:11 AM

She might possibly want to got, or might be forced! My parents would probably send her along to make sure I didn't get killed!

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Mar 00 - 12:13 AM

OK, but you gotta have blue paint!


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: Mbo
Date: 24 Mar 00 - 12:17 AM

I got some blue spray paint left over from THE AMAZING MUDCAT GUITAR...hmmm...

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: Jeri
Date: 24 Mar 00 - 12:17 AM

Mbo, before Catspaw gets around to it, I'd like to say that not every warrior has to have a broadsword - a dagger will do just fine. Just remember to keep it sheathed. Remember, it's not the size of the weapon, but your skill in wielding it that matter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Mar 00 - 12:19 AM

If you get to go, then ask for Master Mario. That will no doubt be his name there. If all else fails, go to the main Admin place. And check out his pic again before you leave so the face will be fresh in your mind. I wish I could go.


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Mar 00 - 12:24 AM

Would I say something like that? What kind of person do you think I am? Would I sink to such crass and crude humor? Don't answer any of those........but, uh...........I have noticed that the guys with the broadswords seem to some out better than those with a pocket knife suitable only for Mumbly-Peg.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: Mbo
Date: 24 Mar 00 - 12:34 AM

Dirk, not Claymore?

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Mar 00 - 12:38 AM

Do you have his real name Meebo?

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: Mbo
Date: 24 Mar 00 - 12:42 AM

Just the first name.

--Mbo


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: Eluned
Date: 24 Mar 00 - 01:01 AM

Mbo, I wouldn't worry too much about clothes. Wear pants that are not obviously jeans in a solid color, if you have boots, mocs, or something middle-ages looking (it's still too cold for sandals) wear those, and take a wide leather belt (narrow will do) if you have one. Renn-faire folks usually have spare clothing, and you can probably borrow a tunic. If not, there will be lots of folks visiting the faire in everyday clothes. Of course, a peasant-blouse (a puffy-sleeved errol flyn shirt) would look marvellous, but chances are you don't have one. I'm glad you decided to go, and hope you have a lot of fun.!! oh, and if your parents have a AAA membership, you can go to AAA and get something called a trip-tick, and lots of maps!


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 24 Mar 00 - 01:21 AM

Mbo, you think being a student is a tough assignment, and it is. But try this one:

Single mother, with small child (4 yrs. old)
Never worked outside the home before.
No job skills except typing and a reasonable sharp brain.
Two (count 'em) menial jobs at very low pay.
Must keep them both to pay bills dumped on me by disappearing husband, soon to be divorced.
Divorce also to be paid for.
Naive country girl trapped in big city.
Scared to death of being alone.

I still have friends 30 years later that I made during that Godawful time. And by God, everything managed somehow to get done, including a lot of good times.

What Spaw said the first time. Do it.

Lin


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Subject: RE: BS: Long weekend -
From: Áine
Date: 24 Mar 00 - 01:24 AM

That's my fella! I really do hope that you go, nekkid and painted blue or not -- and have a wonderful time. So there! And who made the wise crack about us being pushy? I got yer pushy right here . . .

-- Áine


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