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Lyr Req: Captain Matheson

GUEST,kathysweet@home.com 24 Mar 00 - 12:10 PM
SeanM 24 Mar 00 - 12:17 PM
GUEST,me 24 Mar 00 - 01:42 PM
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Subject: Sea Shanty
From: GUEST,kathysweet@home.com
Date: 24 Mar 00 - 12:10 PM

I have this great tape of sea songs by a group called The Sunshine Boys. The Chorus One of the songs "Captain Matheson" is obscured and I was wondering if anyone could help. It is somewhat similar to "Son of a Gambolier" but only in tune and whisky drinking.

Anyway, the lyrics I know:

Come all ye Auckland sailor lads, a warning take from me
Never sail with Matheson across the briny sea
You must sail the ocean o'er and o'er and never find one so mean
As the captain of the Oseaor, that lofty brigadier.

Chorus:
(Here is the part I don't understand. It's about two lines. It sounds like "Roll idle me humble bleary ass". The rest of the chorus goes:

... From town to town we steer.
I'm a right good hearty fellow and I likes me lager beer.
I'm a right good hearty fellow and I likes me whisky clear.
I'm a rambling rake of poverty and a son of a gun for beer.

The song may be entitled The Trial of Matheson because it goes on to tell a story of how he is put on trial for "starving his noble crew" but I don't know. I really would love to sing a great song like this - a difficult thing to do if you don't know the chorus.

PLEASE help if you can.

Kathleen


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sea Shanty
From: SeanM
Date: 24 Mar 00 - 12:17 PM

Hi Kathy!

I'm at work, and don't have the reference in front of me, but DO have this one on CD. Unless I'm mistaken, I THINK the lyric you're looking for is something akin to "I'm a right and randy hooly (sp?)"

Hopefully someone can either confirm or deny this...

M


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sea Shanty
From: GUEST,me
Date: 24 Mar 00 - 01:42 PM

Thanks Sean... I think the one I have has different lyrics, but I would be interested to know what CD you have and where you got it.

Anyone who may have alternate lyrics, or knows where I may be able to purchase a CD let me know.

Kathleen


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sea Shanty
From: SeanM
Date: 24 Mar 00 - 02:45 PM

The version I have is off of the CD "Chants du Marins", and is a collection of various shanteys including "Orpheus", "Drunken Sailor", "Across the Line", about a total of 14-15, if memory serves. The version of "Matheson" on the disc is fairly fast and raucous... good tune overall.

M


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sea Shanty
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Mar 00 - 11:25 PM

Kathy, I know that song! I love that song! I have no clue what so ever what the missing lyrics are! Actually, I would be interested to know myself, so I hope you get an answer.

In the meantime, I have a shanty that I am missing some lyrics to. Perhaps you or someone else knows them and can help us both.

-
I left the city when just a lad
Times were hard and no work to be had
So I went to sea on the Flora Bell
Little did I know 'twas a ship from hell

The ship was old and leaking at the seams
A dirty old tub somewhat broad in the beams
It's sails were torn some planks were rotten
It lay at the wharf a gently rockin'

CHO: I've sailed from Auckland to the Bluff
A thousand miles and that's enough
A thousand miles over heavin' sea
Glory hallelujah that's enough for me

We set sail on the evening tide
It was early on a Saturday night
All went well ___________________
And then by God I got a fright

-
So, any one know it? What the heck is ____________ ?

Charles


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sea Shanty
From: SeanM
Date: 25 Mar 00 - 10:11 PM

"All went well 'till the old twilight" or "all went well 'till the morning light".

Shantey is "Auckland to the Bluff", though calling it "shantey" is stretching. It's copywrighted and recent, listing author on the version I have as "Rudy Sunde", and would imagine the rights are with "D.R. Ode Music".

Hell of a fine song, though. Would probably stand up beside the best of the forebitters from the old days.

M


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sea Shanty
From: SeanM
Date: 25 Mar 00 - 10:19 PM

Back to the original question though... surely a few of the other salts out there might have the original info requested?

Anyone?

M


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sea Shanty
From: Billy the Bus
Date: 26 Mar 00 - 08:17 AM

Hi Kathy & Sean,

Hell, I havn't rattled out a shanty with Rudy Sunde since the Devonport Folk Club, probably 15 or more years back. Suggest since he wrote one, and lives in Auckland, he'll probably now the lyrics for Matheson as well. Only reference I can find to him is here. It's got a snail mail and phone # and an e-mail for a guy singing with him in 1979.

Hope it helps!

Cheers - Sam


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sea Shanty
From: SeanM
Date: 26 Mar 00 - 04:28 PM

Proof yet again that if you poke around long enough on the 'cat, you can find just about anybody.

Thanks Sam!

Hope the above helps, Kathleen.

M


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sea Shanty
From: GUEST,kathysweet@home.com
Date: 26 Mar 00 - 04:48 PM

Wow! Thanks a heap Sam. I'll post a message and let you know how it works out.

BTW, Charles:

I also know the song you were looking for - I've had a few sailing trips where I could share the sentiments of that sailor and loved to sing the song to pass the time. I also couldn't understand the lyrics of that portion of the song, but always sang it as: And all went well by the turning light

Thanks for the encouragement though.

Fair winds and following seas, Kathleen


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sea Shanty
From: DebC
Date: 27 Mar 00 - 10:41 AM

Where is BarryF when we need him?

Deb


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sea Shanty
From: GUEST,kathysweet
Date: 28 Mar 00 - 01:06 AM

I wrote to Bob Large, and while he does not know the lyrics, he said he was going to ask some of the Maratime Crew for me.
Thanks everyone, for all your help.
If I get the lyrics, I'll be sure to post them.

Kathleen


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sea Shanty
From: GUEST,Barry Finn
Date: 28 Mar 00 - 12:06 PM

Hi Kathleen, I've got both on CD, written by Rudy, if you'd like I can give it a go on trying to get the words but it may take me a while to get back here, let me know. Barry


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sea Shanty
From: GUEST,kathysweet@home.com
Date: 28 Mar 00 - 12:26 PM

Right on Bary! I would live to have them both. Take your time, there is no rush. If you want, you can even e-mail them directly to me.

Thank you,
Kathleen


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sea Shanty
From: GutBucketeer
Date: 29 Mar 00 - 09:33 AM

My favorite Shanty tape of all time is the Chants De Marin. My son loves Captain Matheson and Orpheus. So about two years ago I went on a quest to try to find the lyrics. There may even be an old thread here asking about them.

Someone else on the rec.folk newsgroup was in his current shanty crew and contacted Rudy Sunde for me. He sent me a nice letter and many of the lyrics from the CD on Chants De Marin. He doesn't have e-mail but sent me xerox copies of the lyrics and tunes. I would be glad to fax them to anyone that wants them just send me a personal message. I will also post what I can tonight when I get home.

JAB


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sea Shanty
From: GutBucketeer
Date: 29 Mar 00 - 09:51 AM

My request for these same lyrics was made in April 1998. See the thread:

Help with words for "Orpheus", "Cpt Matheson"

No one responded then. The response now just goes to show how the Mudcat and the expertise that can be reached by the forum continues to grow. The network that has been created is truly amazing to me.

JAB


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sea Shanty
From: GUEST,kathysweet@home.com
Date: 29 Mar 00 - 02:29 PM

So you're the one!
I actually found that thread from '98 shortly after I made the request for the lyrics myself. I saw that it had no reply to it, nor a name in the FROM: section, nor any address for me to contact you.
How DO I contact you by the way?

Anyway, yeah, the response I've recieved is truly amazing. I have a fax, and would love to get the lyrics fron you.

Thanks,
Kathleen


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Subject: Lyr Add: CAPTAIN MATHESON
From: GutBucketeer
Date: 29 Mar 00 - 11:59 PM

Kathleen: All you do is register with Mudcat (i.e. become a member) then you can send me a personal message with your fax number.

CAPTAIN MATHESON was actually collected by Rudy Sunde from a Mrs M.C. Russell, Kamo Rd. Whangarie, August 1974.

CAPTAIN MATHESON

Come all ye Auckland sailor lads, a warning take from me,
And never sail with Matheson across the briny sea;
You may sail the ocean o'er and o'er and never find one so mean,
As the captian of the "Oceola", that loft brigatine.

Chorus
Roll up me humble bluey* as from town to town we steer,
I'm a reight good hearty fellow and I likes me lager beer,
I'm a reigh dood hearty fellow and I likes me whisky clear,
I'm a ramblin rake of poverty, I'm a sone of a gun for beer.

Standing on the quarter deck, sou'wester buttoned down,
Taking observtions of all things going around;
He wears an old blue jersey with his elbows sticking through,
And he is a terrible mean man for he starves his noble crew.

Oh, you ought to see his ugly mug when things don't suit him well,
As black as any riding boot worn by the Earl of hell;
Oh, his head is like a pumpkin and his belly is like a whale,
And the holes in his snout when well rigged out would mke Mt. Eden jail.

Now Casey had two lawyers, they were noble of fame,
And Matheson had two lawyers and they were just the same;
The first place that he did appear was at teh High St. jail,
He was tried and remanded and they let him out on bail.

The next place that he did appear was Constitution Hill,
And the jury being Freemasons, brought in on true bill;
And as he walks along the street the people on him do boo;
There goes notorious Matheson who starves his noble crew.

Now Matheson had some money, about five hundred pounds,
No one ever found it, fore he hid it in the ground;
And when he comes ashore me boys, you'll find him snooping around,
He is lookinf for that money he has hidden in the ground.

* In some choruses Mrs. Russel used the word 'diddy' instead of 'bluey'

The Oceola was built in Nova Scotia in 1875, bouth by Captain Duncan Matheson in 1876 and operated on the New Zealand coast unti it was wrecked at Westport in 1887. Captain Matheson was accidently killed in 1882 while rigging the 'Three Cheers", a schooner built by him in that year.

All notes and words as provided by Rudy Sunde.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sea Shanty
From: GutBucketeer
Date: 30 Mar 00 - 12:07 AM

In the chorus that shoud be

I'm a right good hearty fellow... I'm a right good hearty fellow...

JAB.

I'll try to post other lyrics later this week, Including from Auckland to Bluff.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sea Shanty
From: Felisi 52'
Date: 30 Mar 00 - 12:16 AM

Yeah, I did join.

Thank you SO much. I really appreciate all the help.
I do have a question about the terminology though ... what is a bluey, and why would his nostrels make Mt. Eden jail?

Kathleen Sweet


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sea Shanty
From: GutBucketeer
Date: 30 Mar 00 - 12:25 AM

Wish I knew too.

JAB


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sea Shanty
From: Felisi 52'
Date: 30 Mar 00 - 01:29 AM

Ok, I did an internet search "bluey" and here is what I found on one of the sites:
The word bluey in Australian English has a variety of meanings. The most common is the swag (i.e. the collection of possessions and daily necessaries carried by a person travelling, usually on foot, in the bush) so called because the outer covering of the swag was traditionally a blue blanket (which is also called a bluey). The earliest citation in The Australian National Dictionary for bluey as a swag is 1878 where the bluey is humped as it was by the itinerant bush worker tramping the wallaby track in the works of writers such as Henry Lawson and Banjo Paterson.

In WEBSTER'S "swag" is also refered to as loot or plunder.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sea Shanty
From: Billy the Bus
Date: 30 Mar 00 - 05:00 AM

Bloody Hell,

JAB - if you have a better contact for Rudi post it to me.

I'm getting confused.

Felisi 52' - whoops,

We are onto a completely divergent track.

Blueys etc are about shearing sheep.I'll start a thread "Felisi Blues" - which may lead you down that track


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sea Shanty
From: Felisi 52'
Date: 30 Mar 00 - 03:14 PM

Thank you Billy. If I'm wrong, I'm glad you told me. I look forward to the new thread but do have a question:
What are sailors doing shearing sheep?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sea Shanty
From: Amos
Date: 30 Mar 00 - 05:04 PM

Since she (The Oceola) was built in Nova Scotia, it is conceivable that "bluey" refers to the slang term Blue Nose, which was the origin of the famous Halifax Bluenose schooner's name. It may have been slang for anyone from Newfoundland but I am not sure and do not have the resources here to find out. I will try to check later. DaveTAM might have the scoop on it.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sea Shanty
From: GutBucketeer
Date: 30 Mar 00 - 10:12 PM

As of May 1998 the address I have was:

Rudy Sunde 242 Glengarry Road, Glen Eden, Auckland 7 New Zealand Ph. 818-6357

Bob Large was the one I corresponded through the internet with that passed my message on to Rudy.

Jim Bunch


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sea Shanty
From: Billy the Bus
Date: 10 Apr 00 - 05:11 AM

Gidday,

Finally got back to this thread.

Sorry, Amos, your Bluenose theory of "bluey" is entirely off track. Felici is entirely correct - I misworded my response:

Details on "Oceola"

Reg# 69,150

Brigantine (not schooner) 231 ton reg

Built - Oct 1875 by Ebenezer Bigelow, at Canning, Cornwallis, Nova Scotia.

LOA 105ft, Beam 28ft, draught 12'6"

_________________________

Wrecked (Cpt George Bell) June 19, 1887. When being towed out of Westport (west coast SI NZ) with a load of coal, the tow line broke, and she starnded on the West Spit of the Buller River. She filled, and was hard and fast next morning. The tug Westland was sent to render assistance, but the brigantine became a total loss.

Source - Ingram & Wheatly "NZ Shipwrecks"

Should have check it before any of my posts...;^)

_________________________

If any of you following this thread wanna find out the detail of the "Orpheus" - post - I'll have to write that lot offline.

And, if you wanna find the real guts on a "bluey" check the Help: Felici Blues thread wot I finally got back to tonight.

Sing ya souls out ye chantey singers - if you come across references to NZ sea etc - get in touch!

TAKE YER TODDY!

Sam


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Sea Shanty
From: Amos
Date: 10 Apr 00 - 01:49 PM

Thanks for the good scholarship, Sam! My speculation was indeed fit for a speculum!

A


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Captain Matheson
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 04 Jun 10 - 10:48 AM

I posted lyrics to FRISCO DAN in this thread: Lyr Req: Frisco Dan.

To keep things from getting totally confused, we do try to keep each song, and any discussion about it, in its own separate thread, but we have a hell of a time getting that message across!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Captain Matheson
From: GUEST,You might find interesting...
Date: 22 Dec 11 - 10:22 PM

http://www.scottishcorpus.ac.uk/corpus/search/document.php?documentid=1372


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