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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Various English Tunes From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 16 Mar 02 - 04:03 PM Lord Melbourne was recorded by Grainger from George Wray of Brigg, Lincolnshire, in 1906.  :The name is usually Marlborough; Mr. Wray had confused it with the name of another notable aristocrat. Further information here: Lyric Correct? Lord Marlborough
The first Rufford Park text above, that recorded by Percy Grainger from Joseph Taylor of Brigg, Lincolnshire, in 1906 and 1908, is the only authentically traditional set. The texts transcribed from records by Martin Carthy, Coope, Boyes & Simpson and Roberts & Barrand are all arrangements of the expanded version of the song, which was written around the 1960s by Patrick O'Shaughnessy of Lincolnshire, using material from contemporary accounts of the incident. They only vary in a few minor particulars.
Horkstow Grange was recorded from George Gouldthorpe of Brigg, Lincolnshire, in 1908. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Various English Tunes From: Jim Dixon Date: 16 Mar 02 - 01:40 PM I'm confused. According to the lyrics posted in this thread, "Lord Melbourne" and "The Duke of Marlborough" are the same song (cf. "Lord Melbourne" in the DT, link given above). Were Lord Melbourne and The Duke of Marlborough the same person? Is one of the songs historically wrong? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Various English Tunes From: Jim Dixon Date: 16 Mar 02 - 01:31 PM For THE DUKE OF MARLBOROUGH, see LORD MARLBOROUGH in the DT. |
Subject: Lyr Add: RUFFORD PARK POACHERS (trad. English)) From: Jim Dixon Date: 16 Mar 02 - 01:21 PM RUFFORD PARK POACHERS (As sung by Joseph Taylor on "Unto Brigg Fair," from a cylinder recorded in 1908)
They say that forty gallant poachers they was in a mess;
A buck or doe, believe it so, a pheasant or an (h)are
The keepers they begun the fight, with stones and with the flails,
They say that forty gallant poachers
Chorus [after every verse]:
A buck or doe believe it so
All among the gorse to settle scores
The keepers come with flails
The keepers they began the fight
All on the ground with a mortal wound
Of all the band that made their stand
The judge said for Roberts' death
A buck or doe believe it so
A buck or doe believe it so
So poacher bold, as I unfold
They say that forty gallant poachers
Among the gorse, to settle scores
The keepers went with flails against
Upon the ground with mortal wound
Of all that band who made a stand
The Judge he said "For Robert's death
So poacher bold, your tale is told
A buck or doe, believe it so, a pheasant or a hare
Chorus:
They say that forty gallant poachers, they were in distress,
Among the gorse, to settle scores, these forty gathered stones,
The keepers went with flails against the poachers and their cause,
The keepers, they began the fray with stones and with their flails,
Upon the ground, with mortal wound, head-keeper Roberts lay,
Of all that band that made their stand to set a net or snare
The judge he said, For Roberts1 death transported you must be,
Final Chorus:
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Subject: Lyr Add: HORKSTOW GRANGE From: Jim Dixon Date: 16 Mar 02 - 01:02 PM Copied from http://www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/~zierke/steeleye.span/songs/horkstowgrange.html
HORKSTOW GRANGE
In Horkstow Grange there lived an old miser
With a blackthorn stick old Steeleye struck him
Old Steeleye Span he was filled with John Bowlin
Pity them who see him suffer [The title track of Steeleye Span's album "Horkstow Grange" is the song which gave Steeleye Span its name. "We are still asked where the name of the band came from, so here it is…. Steeleye Span, a waggoner who ruined his life because of an incident with John Bowlin. Little did he know that his name would live on." –Peter] |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Various English Tunes From: GeorgeH Date: 18 Jul 01 - 08:29 AM On which bit was I correct, Pavame? The my being stupid? You won't find any argument on that score . . Yes, sorry, Anglo - it was the album, which Malcolm Douglas' links led to a description of . . G. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Various English Tunes From: Anglo Date: 17 Jul 01 - 12:50 PM Oh, sorry George - You were referring to the LP, not the song. And yes I had been following the thread with some interest, but had missed the overlap here. (My brain takes a while to wake up these days). Fortunately I have a copy of the LP sitting on my shelves. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Various English Tunes From: pavane Date: 17 Jul 01 - 11:18 AM Think you're right there, GeorgeH |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Various English Tunes From: English Jon Date: 17 Jul 01 - 10:57 AM My cat said he was going to shit in Dave Bulmer's shoe. EJ |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Various English Tunes From: GeorgeH Date: 17 Jul 01 - 10:30 AM You don't want to . . It's one of the recordings that languishes in the collection of Celtic Music (Dave Bulmer). I suggested that the stuff he owns the rights to include a large chunk of the UK's folk heritage, and someone who feels I have a persecution complex about Mr Bulmer took the view that the "heritiage" claim was an arguable matter of opinion. But seriously the thread isn't a very pleasent one. Stupid of me to mention it again, I'm sure. Regards George |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Various English Tunes From: Anglo Date: 17 Jul 01 - 10:21 AM GeorgeH just said: How can anyone suggest that "Unto Brigg Fair" is not part of the UK's folk heritage ??? Sorry to be dumb, but I missed the reference (from another thread?). Kindly point me at it and I'll get me blunberbuss out of the attic. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Various English Tunes From: GeorgeH Date: 17 Jul 01 - 10:01 AM Thanks for those links, Malcolm . . How can anyone suggest that "Unto Brigg Fair" is not part of the UK's folk heritage ??? (said in sadness; I don't really want to start all that again . . ) G. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Various English Tunes From: pavane Date: 17 Jul 01 - 09:35 AM Thanks, Malcolm, I only refreshed the thread because the previous link had expired. The Blackburn poacher has a very similar story, and it looks to me as if it would fit the same tune. I have only heard it sung (live) by Nic Jones, but I assume he used a standard tune. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Various English Tunes From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 17 Jul 01 - 08:29 AM Garry Gillard's Watersons site has moved since this thread was started. New link: Rufford Park Poachers Traditional text from Joseph Taylor, plus texts from Martin Carthy and Coope, Boyes & Simpson. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Various English Tunes From: GeorgeH Date: 17 Jul 01 - 08:29 AM Presumably there is a Grainger link here, Steve? Home Service (the band, not the former radio station) recorded a version of the Lincolnshire Posey in which they restored the words to some of Grainger's instrumental arrangements. They based their version on Grainger's own arrangement of LP for Military Band. The recording is still available - I think it's on the "Alright Jack" CD. I would guess the "restoration of the words" was done by John Tams - see recent Sharpe's Rifles threads. (I think I posted this information in one of those threads). G. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Various English Tunes From: Wolfgang Date: 17 Jul 01 - 08:22 AM If I've looked right, all the lyrics you ask for are on this site: http://www.sover.net/~barrand/rgh/grainger.html Wolfgang |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Various English Tunes From: pavane Date: 17 Jul 01 - 08:12 AM Just looking for Rufford Park Poachers, to compare with the Blackburn Poachers in Bodley, the Blackburn Poachers in Bodleian Ballads, and the Rufford link given seems to have expired. This excellent song doesn't appear to be in the database (or have I missed a version, as usual?) |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Various English Tunes From: Ed Pellow Date: 26 Mar 00 - 02:43 PM Sorry, for 'Lord Marlborough', read 'The Duke of Marlborough' It's been a long day Ed |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Various English Tunes From: Ed Pellow Date: 26 Mar 00 - 02:41 PM Steve, LISBON is in the database here HORKSTOW GRANGE can be found here, Rufford Park Poachers here and LORD MARLBOROUGH here. I don't know about Lord Melbourne, but if you start a separate thread about the song or about Grainger's Lincolnshire Posy I expect you'll have more success. Ed |
Subject: Various English Tunes From: GUEST,Steve Hunter (shh19@idt.net) Date: 26 Mar 00 - 10:02 AM Hello, All, I'm looking for lyrics to the following English Folk Tunes. I found one or two in the database but had no luck on the rest. Any help would be greatly appreciated. If anyone does have the lyrics, might I ask that they be emailed to shh19@idt.net rather than posted to the thread? The songs are:
Lisbon Thanks in advance, Steve Hunter |
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