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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 03 Apr 00 - 04:02 PM If you're anonymous your invisible. Can't be seen. Which means this has been quite a short thread after all.
Cáitrin - how you get te accent (which is called a fada) is you look down the bottom of the keyboard, just mtomtye right of the shift key (if your keyboard is like mine) is a key saying Alt Gr. Push it down, and type the letter you want, as in Cáitrin. If you push the shift key at the same time you get a capital letter with the accent, as in Áine. Could I suggest that personal criticism should be confined to personal messages? And that, if people aren't willing to accept personal messages they should refrain from making personal criticism, let alone personal insults. And that if people don't like BS threrads they shouldn't keep on posting to them and making them longer? And why are we using this marvellous invention to be nasty to each other? |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: GUEST, A.C. Date: 03 Apr 00 - 02:12 PM Too true Aldus, but what can we do? |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: GUEST, Bob Zoggledosh Date: 03 Apr 00 - 02:06 PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: Lonesome EJ Date: 03 Apr 00 - 01:59 PM Gary T...sure, the name Zoggledosh seems strange to our ears, but if you check out the Babylonian telephone directory there are almost three full pages of Zoggledoshes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: Bert Date: 03 Apr 00 - 01:36 PM No, you're not NEARLY bad enough Annap. It's sad the he is so gutless that he couldn't use his own name. I can't imagine that. I mean if had said "Bert, you sing too many of you're own songs". I'd say "yes, you're right". If he had said "Bert, you're a bloody useless guitar player" I'd have to agree. We can all take criticism from our friends. it's no big deal. So TTCM, here's some for criticism for you. You're pompous. You 'sing down' to your listeners. You're a great player but a poor entertainer, you need to sing TO your audience and connect with them. and that's from BERT. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: annamill Date: 03 Apr 00 - 12:37 PM Hey! TTCM, how come I'm not on that list, damn it?? That's good company and I'm insulted that I'm not included! Don't I write enough BS for you?? Don't you think I'm bad enough to be included?? Blast! Love?? Annap |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: GUEST,aldus Date: 03 Apr 00 - 09:04 AM I have been browing and enjoying mudcat for sometime now. There are many aspects that I enjoy however, Mudcat is like a neighbourhood....when the riff raff move in the decent sort move out.That is always the way..it is how we give control to the spoilers. It seems to me that the riff raff are trying to take over the neighbourhood...why can"t we just put them on high ignore ? We can"t because we have given them to much credibility. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: GUEST, Bob Zoggledosh Date: 03 Apr 00 - 12:38 AM |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: Gary T Date: 03 Apr 00 - 12:34 AM The name, "Bob Zoggledosh" (ZOGGLEDOSH?!); the content of Mr. Z's posts; the, shall we say, incongruous posts from Praise and kat; THE BLOOMING DATE--is this by chance Max pulling our legs? I'd be very surprised if there isn't more than meets the eye in the origin of this thread and some of the posts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: GUEST, Another conscience.... Date: 03 Apr 00 - 12:28 AM You see! The natives are rumbling. |
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Subject: _gargoyle's sister? From: Gary T Date: 03 Apr 00 - 12:24 AM Testing to see if anyone can change the name of the thread subject in his post, as was apparently done earlier in this thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: Lady McMoo Date: 02 Apr 00 - 04:58 PM I certainly agree with you Harpgirl and bbc. I am becoming increasingly frustrated with a lot of the superficial, self-congratulatory, mindless posting that has appeared recently which is spoiling an otherwise quite excellent essentially musical forum. It is however not my style to flame or attack anybody personally and I try very hard not to get pulled into the almost constant flamewars that are going on at the moment. While this is a BS thread, I will therefore be avoiding BSs in the future and concentrating on learning and giving help where I can in the musical threads. All the best to all, mcmoo |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: Art Thieme Date: 02 Apr 00 - 12:10 PM Once again, allow me to put in my vote for censorship ! The ballad List owner, housemother, whatever has the power to delete those things not in keeping with the expressed purposes of the list. It's very sad that it is necessary here, but Mr. Max, it IS necessary. And, Max, it is your responsibility. ART THIEME |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: GUEST,K~~ Date: 02 Apr 00 - 11:54 AM I seldom post but I do lurk, and it saddens me that the cat is starting to look like every other board out there, don't turn into them, keep the cat on track. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: GUEST,Sophocleese Date: 02 Apr 00 - 11:32 AM Like Harpgirl I also get discouraged and frustrated when I see certain names come up on threads as 99% of the time they aren't saying anything other than "Here I am". TTCM and Another Conscience aren't the first ones with irrelevant, self-obsessed postings.It seems they have given some folks on the Mudcat a taste of their own medicine. Now they are to be blamed for the lack of music content? I'm sorry, but however much you may personally dislike a victim its still not right to blame them for disturbing the peace when they complain of their injuries. I don't agree with TTCM's or AC's tactics but I sympathize with the underlying frustration. So the question is, how can we restore balance when even bringing the question up is met with either silence or a severe, defensive, response? Surely a group of people who are dedicated to keeping some traditions alive and giving voice to songs that others don't can think of a way to do this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: Jeri Date: 02 Apr 00 - 09:30 AM TTCM could care less about BS and the state of Mudcat. He/she and people who continuously respond are responsible for the fact there has been very little in the way of music discussion in the last few days. He/she is every bit as compulsive as the people he/she flames, although their compulsiveness is based on making themselves feel important by belittling others. He/she has found a way to get personal attention which people can't seem to ignore. His/her motive is nothing more than a plea for attention, and it may behoove supporters of TTCM to note this. There's nothing more effective in dealing with someone who seeks to turn all conversation to themselves than to ignore it, but this requires a bit of self control. Music is unimportant to this person. The tactics used won't ever be effective in cutting down on the BS, only increasing it. And now, I'll leave this thread, and others like it to those who can find enough reason to continue... |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: bbc Date: 02 Apr 00 - 08:32 AM I agree w/ harpgirl's post, but I notice that no one has responded to it, pro or con. Many of us who have been around for 2+ years are discouraged by the amount of repetitive, superficial chat. We are still lurking, hoping that what we loved about Mudcat may resurface. Those of us who are less patient have probably already given up & left. If you noticed, many of the names in my recent birthday thread haven't been seen much lately. I am finding very little that I want to read or add to. I'll stay as long as I can stand it, because Mudcat *was* great. All of that said, I do acknowledge people's right to be who they are & do as they see fit. And I don't want to diminish myself by attacking others, but, people, please take a look at what you are contributing & how you are presenting yourselves to the world. I think we've lost the balance. best to all, bbc |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: Caitrin Date: 02 Apr 00 - 12:54 AM those who...take their membership as an integral part of their ''life'', are, the most fearful, skeptical and analytical about our collective presence here. Really? That's interesting. If it's not important to you, why do you go to so much trouble to "clean it up?"
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: TTCM (retired) Date: 01 Apr 00 - 09:47 PM Here you go AC (tosses a full meat baster loaded with vaccine, with a 4 inch needle on the end). Careful, careful. Good. (Just wanted to make sure you didn't accidently get stuck by the business end of it.) Our observations would indicate that the ones who are addicted to this Forum and take their membership as an integral part of their ''life'', are, the most fearful, skeptical and analytical about our collective presence here. Hence we MUST make more vaccine and help these poor misguided souls back into a semblance of normal life, even if their remaining time here on this earthly plane, is spent, as a marsupial. It really is for your own good, Seed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: GUEST, Another conscience.... Date: 01 Apr 00 - 09:39 PM Charles needs a dose or two there, I fear. Don't you get it, Charles I have no desire to be acquainted with the likes of you. I have no care whether you value my opinions, or not. Because you ain't one of the people I have been talking about. Don't overestimate yourselves. Self praise is no recommendation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: TTCM (retired) Date: 01 Apr 00 - 09:33 PM
Seems AC got a bit carried away on the vaccine dosage. Awwwww. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: katlaughing Date: 01 Apr 00 - 08:24 PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: bseed(charleskratz) Date: 01 Apr 00 - 04:21 PM An apt analogy, Leej. Also curious: "Another conscience" wants it both ways--he wants us to weigh his opinions as if they came from someone we know and trust, yet wants to protect his privacy (from what?). Folks, ignore that which interests you not. Respond to that which interests you, that which you feel is important. And get on with your lives. --seed |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: GUEST, Another conscience.... Date: 01 Apr 00 - 04:07 PM No, Lej. It matters to you, and others like you. Can you honestly tell me that you know any more about some of the less prolific posters that have wierd and wonderful handles; Those that do not drink in the same taverns or sing in the same competitions as you? There's a world outside your window, Lej. And it doesn't stop at the garden fence. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: Lonesome EJ Date: 01 Apr 00 - 03:57 PM Seems to matter to you, or you wouldn't have created this alter-ego for yourself. Right? |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: GUEST, Another conscience.... Date: 01 Apr 00 - 03:55 PM Lej. Nobody knows me from my other contributions neither. So in the big wide scheme of things, what the deuce does it matter? |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: Lonesome EJ Date: 01 Apr 00 - 03:39 PM Another, it is not so much your anonymity that I object to. It is the reason for the assumption of it. Are you afraid that those who know you from your other contributions here would resent your views and actions as "another conscience"? Or is it actually easier to take cheapshots while in disguise? There was a group of individuals where I come from who were known for this kind of behavior. In their daytime lives they were decent, law-abiding gentle folks,the cream of the community. At night, they would don their robes and hoods to carry out their attacks under the guise of anonymity. And all in the name of the higher purpose of cleansing their environment of contamination from those they didn't like or agree with. I am certainly not saying your views and intentions are as virulent as those practiced by the Klan. I am only saying that your tactics are the same. Sincerely, Ernest Johnson Conifer, CO |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: GUEST, Another conscience.... Date: 01 Apr 00 - 03:12 PM And my point, Cáit, is if you don't tell them, they will never grasp the fact. Some people have common-sense, some people don't, and some have it thrust upon them, if necessary |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: Caitrin Date: 01 Apr 00 - 03:00 PM Sorry, AC...I suppose I didn't really state what I was trying to state. What I was attempting to say was that shouting at each other prevents discussion of music just as much as any amount of BS. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: GUEST, Another conscience.... Date: 01 Apr 00 - 02:58 PM Look, if you need a dose of conflict resolution theory, go vist a shrink, and leave the Mudcat to musicians. Droooool. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: Caitrin Date: 01 Apr 00 - 02:54 PM I've read a bit of Pavlov, though I don't think Behaviorism is necessarily all it's cracked up to be. Seems to me that Sociology is more what we're looking at here...people have to learn to deal with one another. They can't just fly at each other with guns a-blazing, or any real communication of ideas, information, and music is lost. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: GUEST, Environmentalist Date: 01 Apr 00 - 02:47 PM And the 'personal attacks' that you speak of are in direct proportion to the level of bullshit imparted by the 'attackees'. Less with less. You've read Pavlov I take it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: GUEST, Another conscience.... Date: 01 Apr 00 - 02:42 PM "We are mysterious and multiple" . We are no mre mysterious than anyone else. We are multiple however. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: Caitrin Date: 01 Apr 00 - 02:35 PM Sorry...I didn't intend to suggest that you did not have a right to privacy. You can call yourself whatever you like, whether it's Another Conscience or King of England. (Though I do think all the "We are mysterious and multiple" stuff is a little childish.) I don't even have a problem with you, or anyone else, holding the opinion that there should be less BS on the forum. The only thing I object to is the fashion in which some people have expressed their irritation. I don't think there's any excuse for flaming people and making personal attacks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: GUEST, Another conscience.... Date: 01 Apr 00 - 02:26 PM As said before, Cáit, in another thread, I have been here quite a long time, and although I recognize people's rights to be as forthcoming with their real id's etc., I also recognize the rights of people who have chosen not to. This does not make me, or any of the other concerned contributors, any more sinister. Nobody knows who I am when I post under my 'handle', so what difference does it make? The difference is psychological, and is all part of this clique mentality that exists here. I am a 'member', not in the way that most people here define it; and I have the right not to receive personal messages. Send Áine a PM. I'm sure your request will be answered quickly. If not I'm sure you can reach her via bbc's pages. I don't feel the need to advertize myself any more than the record company is doing. And whatever about anything else, I am a still a private person with the need both for me and my family to be free from unsolicited mail and the likes. There are MANY others around here in the same boat. And I am here to learn as well as to offer advice. And I do both. But the BS travels across it's boundaries, and that is what I, and others object to. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: Caitrin Date: 01 Apr 00 - 02:05 PM Really? I'll have to look for it. If you ever decide to take a membership here so I can leave you a personal message, I may ask you about some psych stuff. AP Exam review time is coming up, and I still have some trouble with Biological Psychology. Hey! You did the Latin plural of "forum"! I'm impressed. Almost no one does Latin plurals correctly these days. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: harpgirl Date: 01 Apr 00 - 02:02 PM ...as a forum watcher since 97 I think the primary issue in contention here is that there are a lot of people now who post thousands of messages which are just chatty. I for one, have gotten fed up with the monopolizers and the irrelevant chit chat. I liked Mudcat better before this began to happen. Now when I see certain names, I am discouraged, angered, irritated, and increasingly contentious myself over the overblown egotistical compulsive chit chat...What's really disturbing is these people are ignoring the fact that this is what is causing so much dissatisfaction among forum goers...Don't you people understand this?????? |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: GUEST, Another conscience.... Date: 01 Apr 00 - 02:00 PM No, actually, I don't have any compulsive traits, that I can honestly put my finger on Cáitrín. I don't drink, dont smoke tobacco, am not unfaithful to my wife. Music has been and is my life. I am a qualified 'academic' in, but not limited to, the subject that you are reading, and I have a medium to high tolerance level when it comes to people incessantly imposing too much non music related and irrelevant clap trap in this noblest of fora. As for the ÁÉÍÓÚ - I think I saw somewhere that Áine has figured it out HTMLy. It's merely a keystroke to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: Caitrin Date: 01 Apr 00 - 01:47 PM Obsessive/Compulsive disorder generally doesn't pose too much of a problem for its sufferers. Except in extreme cases such as serial killers, one can usually lead a normal existence. Most people have one or two obsessive/compulsive traits. If this is your only one, I wouldn't worry about it too much. By the way, how does one make the little mark over the "a" in Caitrin? I know there's supposed to be one, but I don't know much about little keystroke tricks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: GUEST, The Thread Watcher Date: 01 Apr 00 - 01:41 PM Ah negative suggestion. Never thought of that. Thanks Cáit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: Caitrin Date: 01 Apr 00 - 01:38 PM I'm currently working on a Psych paper on Obsessive/Compulsive disorder. From what I've learned in my research, it appears that this particular psychological disorder is indicated by an obsession with a particular thing or idea, followed by a compulsion somehow focused on this thing or idea. For instance, if a person were obsessed with clearing the forum of BS threads, he or she might have a compulsion to post to various BS threads in the interest of attacking people in these threads. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: GUEST, Bob Zoggledosh Date: 01 Apr 00 - 01:26 PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: GUEST Date: 01 Apr 00 - 01:18 PM Fly or flee? |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: GUEST, Bob Zoggledosh Date: 01 Apr 00 - 12:56 PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: wildlone Date: 01 Apr 00 - 12:28 PM a shame you do not make the font smaller TTCM then we would not have to wade through your posts as they might disapear completly. or is it you can only post like this because of your small mind. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: wysiwyg Date: 01 Apr 00 - 12:23 PM Feeling the urge to post compulsively TTCM? How does it feel? ~Prays~ And effectively, even when mistakenly lumped in with fools. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: wysiwyg Date: 01 Apr 00 - 12:05 PM Oh dear I feel a Praisepoem coming on...... Another new member to welcome, after all, and I have not written any for some time-- writer's block you know! The new member does not appear to wish one, though... I would certainly not wish to be intrusive in the name of welcome... Would I need to confess it if I let it out? To Whom? I can't QUITE reconcile the paradox though... a conscience with so much pride cannot be a True Conscience, for such things as conscience are of God, and to claim them for oneself is.... well I have to pray about it. Really. And have been. Such are the questions one confronts when wrestling with one's True Conscience, which prasie God I can hear quite clearly over the low droning tone in the background. ~Susan~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: The Beanster Date: 01 Apr 00 - 11:55 AM Bob, Pay no mind. And remember, you don't judge Swiss cheese by the holes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: Jeri Date: 01 Apr 00 - 09:03 AM At some point, we're going to realize that ignoring the stuff we can't do anything about makes Mudcat a happier place.
Broken record, same old story, Honestly, this stuff comes and goes. It happens so often that frankly, I may reply once in a blue moon, but I find it hard to actually get upset about it anymore. (Watch out - we may be about to launch into another one of those "BS/No BS/Only 'appropriate' BS" threads where people outline their rules for posting, people argue with them, and we all get our shorts in a collective bunch before it's over. Then it all happens again in a couple of months.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: What's all this then? From: wysiwyg Date: 01 Apr 00 - 08:28 AM Well Bob, seems to me the self-correcting mechanism of the Mudcat is working pretty hard at the moment, but no fear-- it's still so chock-full of love and music goodies that all the negativity ever existing can't do it real harm. Said with the certainty that only a few will agree, but hey! So what? Stick around and enjoy the parts you like, and keep asking these sort of questions, I think they help! ~Susan~ |
