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Ornette Coleman/Ian Dury/Sex & drugs…

JohnL 08 Apr 00 - 03:49 PM
The Shambles 08 Apr 00 - 08:24 PM
Long Firm Freddie 18 Jan 22 - 10:28 AM
GUEST,Dave Illingworth 18 Jan 22 - 03:16 PM
GUEST,Dai 05 Aug 22 - 02:36 PM
Helen 05 Aug 22 - 07:08 PM
Black belt caterpillar wrestler 07 Aug 22 - 03:45 PM
BobL 08 Aug 22 - 02:29 AM
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Subject: Ornette Coleman/Ian Dury/Sex & drugs…
From: JohnL
Date: 08 Apr 00 - 03:49 PM

I heard a repeat of an interview with Ian Dury a week or so ago on the radio, broadcast as a tribute to him. He played a track by Ornette Coleman which he said he borrowed the riff for Sex and drugs and Rock and Roll from, and had admitted this to Ornette on meeting him. Does anyone know what this track is please?


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Subject: RE: Ornette Coleman/Ian Dury/Sex & drugs…
From: The Shambles
Date: 08 Apr 00 - 08:24 PM

John. (Smiles) I don't think I have seen quite as many off topic subjects, for a folk and blues forum, in the thread title before. Good try. I think you must win the prize.

I saw the programe too. Sad to see him go. We do need originals like him. Or at least ones that admit where they got their original ideas from.

Can't help with the track title but I am pretty sure someone here will be able to help.


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Subject: RE: Ornette Coleman/Ian Dury/Sex & drugs…
From: Long Firm Freddie
Date: 18 Jan 22 - 10:28 AM

To answer a nearly 22 year thread request... the track is Ramblin' and on the original mix the riff comes in about 4'40" in the course of a double bass solo. Ornette apparently told Dury not to worry as he had got it from the tune Old Joe Clark or, in an alternative version of the story, an old cajun tune.

LFF


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Subject: RE: Ornette Coleman/Ian Dury/Sex & drugs…
From: GUEST,Dave Illingworth
Date: 18 Jan 22 - 03:16 PM

And the bass player who played the solo was the late great Charlie Haden, who grew up with country music before he turned to jazz.


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Subject: RE: Ornette Coleman/Ian Dury/Sex & drugs…
From: GUEST,Dai
Date: 05 Aug 22 - 02:36 PM

Chas Jankel (Dury's writing partner) is on record as saying that Ian made a point of contacting (the great) Charlie Haden (the bass player responsible for the solo on that track on Ornette's 'Change of the Century' album), rather than Ornette, to 'own up'. Haden said he'd lifted it himself from a Creole song.


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Subject: RE: Ornette Coleman/Ian Dury/Sex & drugs…
From: Helen
Date: 05 Aug 22 - 07:08 PM

As Long Firm Freddie said above, the riff comes in about 4'40" - although I'd have to listen again to Sex & Drugs.. to hear the similarities.

Ornette Coleman - Ramblin'


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Subject: RE: Ornette Coleman/Ian Dury/Sex & drugs…
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 07 Aug 22 - 03:45 PM

The riff is also used (twice) by Rumworth Morris as part of the tune set for the dance Royton and also as part of their processional music set.

Robin


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Subject: RE: Ornette Coleman/Ian Dury/Sex & drugs…
From: BobL
Date: 08 Aug 22 - 02:29 AM

Why did I read the first word of the thread title as "omelette?"


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