Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: GUEST,Terry B. Date: 28 Apr 00 - 08:26 AM Thank God we win in the character department... I concur with the rest of your statement, GRNJ, but I'd re-think this one, what with Tricky Dick, Iran-Contra,'there are no poor people in America" Meese, the October Surprise, "Read My Lips..." & the questionable sexual/moral hanky-panky by Newt & a host of other "Grand Old Party" regulars- plus the recent venal willingness to crucify a six-year-old child for partisan political advantage...... think you've got some house cleaning to do as well as the Dems. |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: JedMarum Date: 28 Apr 00 - 08:37 AM let's see, GUEST,{you fill in the name} - how many times can I change my face and make the same argument. Just how stupid do you think we are? |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: GUEST,Terry B. Date: 28 Apr 00 - 09:03 AM I really don't know, Jed, being new around here- so fill me in, please: Just how stupid are you? I've just looked up some of your previous posts, and have a pretty good idea, but would value your direct input. Or are you saying its impossible for more than one person to hold similar opinions on a subject? |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: GUEST,yet another Guest Date: 28 Apr 00 - 09:19 AM Jed: CLICK HERE |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: Jon W. Date: 28 Apr 00 - 10:52 AM All I'm gonna say is, it's threads like this one that make me want to swear off Mudcat completely. I am hearby making a solemn vow to never rise to the bait again. |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: Bert Date: 28 Apr 00 - 11:32 AM Ah! Bat Goddess, return to feudalism, you may have something there. 10% to the Church and 10% to the Lord of the Manor, a couple of boon days now and then, take a chicken to the 'Wise One' when you're sick. Maybe we WOULD be better off ;-) Bert. (can 'I' be Lord of the Manor) |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: Margo Date: 28 Apr 00 - 11:43 AM The spirit of the original post of this thread is very mean. I don't think it is what the mudcat is all about. I think that to promote this kind of nasty attack is to dumb down the mudcat. Margo |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: BlueJay Date: 28 Apr 00 - 12:01 PM Jed- You're Republican, I'm a Democrat. I hope we can play some music someday and get pastall this total BS. Politics don't matter much in the middle of a good song. This thread sure hasn't brought out the best in me. I apologize. BlueJay |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: GUEST,Kelida Date: 28 Apr 00 - 12:17 PM All politics have good and bad in them, although looking at America and at the fighting and general nastiness on this thread, feudalism sounds pretty good right now--no upward mobility crap. . .I have a few nominations for village idiot, by the way. . .Of course, I'll be the barmaid, wench, whatever. . . Peace--Keli |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: Bert Date: 28 Apr 00 - 12:35 PM King Max and Lord Bert get first dibs on ALL the wenches ;-) |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: L R Mole Date: 28 Apr 00 - 12:36 PM Well, as James Bond once said (or quoted), all cats are gray in the dark. |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 28 Apr 00 - 12:52 PM I still say Republicans and Demovrats look remarkably similar to me. I'm looking from a long way away, but that can have its advantages in seeing the picyiure as a whole.
There seem to be nice Republicans and nasty epublicans, and nice Democrats and nasty Democrats. The nice Republicans are much more like the nice Democrats than they are like nasty Republicans, and the nasty Republicans are much more like the nasty Democrats than they are like the nice Republicans. And vice-versa.
Of course it may be that one party has proportionally more nasty people at the top than the other. But the basic argument should be between the nice guys and the nasty guys, rather than getting bogged down in party labels. |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: Bert Date: 28 Apr 00 - 01:04 PM I think you've got it right there McGrath. I would like to add that the Mudcat Republicans are the NICE Republicans and the Mudcat Democrats are the NICE Democrats. Bert. ( I still get first dibs on all the wenches though) |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: Mbo Date: 28 Apr 00 - 01:07 PM "All cats are grey in the dark" is actually a chapter name from "The Three Musketeers" by Dumas...wonder if that's where Ian got it from? **BG** Max said on Hearme that I was nominated for Court Jester (gets to hang out with wenches! Quiet Mario!). Either that or the Grand Vizier of Christmas! --Mbo |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: Greg F. Date: 28 Apr 00 - 01:23 PM Bert, it goes without saying! McGrath, you're right, of course, and I'm not going to get into the area of proportionality. But I don't think Abe ever maintained that there were no Brain-Dead Democrats, did he? Maybe we need a "B.D.D." thread for equal time?? :-) |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: Whistle Stop Date: 28 Apr 00 - 02:03 PM I don't think this thread started out being all that mean-spirited. Agree or disagree with Abe about the apparent stupidity of the current crop of Republicans, I think it IS fair to say that the Republican party has been influenced more heavily in recent years by the socially-conservative elements within the party, and the party leadership reflects this trend. Abe seems to feel this is pretty stupid ("brain-dead" is just a more colorful turn of phrase), and I agree with him. At least, I think it is a stupid set of positions, whether or not the individuals espousing these positions are themselves stupid (stupid like a fox, perhaps -- a lot of people are making a good living with this kind of stupidity, following Barnum's advice). I don't consider that expression of his and my opinion to be out of bounds, just as I don't consider it to be out of bounds when someone thinks the people on MY side of the issues are advocating stupid positions. |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: JenEllen Date: 28 Apr 00 - 02:32 PM Bit of a thread creep here, but I managed to watch the PBS biography/documentary of George Wallace they played this past week. Just wondering if anyone else saw this, and your reactions to it, so long as we are being political. I lived in the post-Wallace south for a few years, and I am interested in some of what you folks that were living it at the time might have experienced wherever you were living. Musically....the show was awesome. Sounds perfectly supporting the feeling they were going for, but I won't say that it wasn't disturbing. Thanks ~Elle |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: Kelida Date: 28 Apr 00 - 03:13 PM Lord Bert--of course you guys get first dibs. . .Anything for the king. . . Whistle Stop--I agree that maybe the thread wasn't started in mean spirit, but I think that it was pretty obvious that it could TURN mean-spirited. Not everyone is being rude, but even when just a few are, other people chastise them even though they weren't originally involved, etc. Thus starts the verbal sparring. Peace--Keli |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 28 Apr 00 - 07:25 PM I've just been letting our cats in, and it's just not true that they're all grey in the dark, whatever the Three Musketeers might have thought. I reckon it's a pretty brain-dead remark - and come to think of it, that Alexandre Dumas was some kind of Republican... |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 28 Apr 00 - 07:26 PM And he was some kind of Democrat too... The plot thickens. |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: Mbo Date: 28 Apr 00 - 07:32 PM McGrath, he was referring to a enemy spy at the siege of La Rochelle...and I believe it's an old saying. --Mbo |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: DougR Date: 28 Apr 00 - 07:58 PM John W: I agree with you. Rick started a Thread a week or so commenting on how much he liked the tenor of the Mudcat these days. I agree with Rick on most things but I think the Mudcat has changed considerably from the forum that it was when I joined about a year ago. Still good musical subject matter, but the BS Threads designed to insult or infuriate fellow Mudcatters is weighing in pretty heavily. I've give serious to thought to checking out myself. DougR |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Date: 28 Apr 00 - 08:01 PM "Yes, we did produce a near perfect republic, but will they keep it, or will they, in the enjoyment of plenty, lose the memory of freedom? Material abundance without character is the surest way to destruction." Thomas Jefferson My own thoughts on this thread are: We appear to progress in time and technology; but with little wisdom and character. Yours, Aye. Dave |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: GUEST Date: 28 Apr 00 - 11:10 PM Good one Dave. De Tocqueville wrote something along the same lines about Americans: "They may finally become so engrossed in a cowardly love of immediate pleasures that their own future and that of their descendants may vanish and that they will prefer tamely to follow the course of their destiny rather than to make a sudden, energetic effort to set things right." I know a number of registered Republicans and they , by and large, are in no way morally superior to registered Democrats that I know. That smug attitude is what puts me off most about the Republican party. Also I'm not too crazy about the meaness that seems to be pervasive in their most vocal leaders like Jesse, DeLay, Lott, Newt (I pray there's no Nixonian resurrection in his future)Dick Army and Orrin Hatch. Although the difference between the two parties becomes more neglible all the time, as more and more they feed from the same trough (i.e. the big multi-nationals) at least the Dems seem to still favor a progressive tax rate, pro-choice and a willingess to fight against the sell-out of the environment that the GOP always seems to be trying to legislate. As for Shrub Bush, he seems, like his daddy, to be a nice man but nothing more than an amiable dunce sitting on a big mountain of money. This of course is just my two cents. I try take everyone on an individual basis regardless of their politics. Oh yeah, another reprensible aspect of the GOP is the way they went about reforming the welfare system in the USA, which admittedly needed it, by setting people against one another along racial lines. Remember Reagan's stump anecdote about the inner city lady who went to pick up her welfare check in a new Caddilac? How do you spell potato? Frankie
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Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: GUEST,Frankie Date: 28 Apr 00 - 11:27 PM How do I spell reprehensible? |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: Rick Fielding Date: 28 Apr 00 - 11:38 PM JenEllen, I saw it. Guess you were wondering if everyone else here was busy watching Elian Gonzales doing a gueat shot on "Flipper". Thought it was very well done..excellent music. 'Fraid it didn't make him any more likeable to me..even with the horrible shooting. Truly a character for the ages though. Doug R. I'd miss your postings here (and I probably disagree with half of them). I don't think t'will ever go back to being exclusively about folk music, but I'd hate to see people leave because they couldn't laugh at the shit-disturbers. Yah, the flamers are back with avengeance, but if you'll notice, a lot of folks are turning their threads into humour. Maybe the Cat has learned something. Rick |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: JedMarum Date: 28 Apr 00 - 11:59 PM JenEllen - I saw the series, as well. It was a remarkable film. I remember the days very very well. Like most Bostonians, I found Wallace, arrogant and repulsive, and this film put a humanizing face on the issue ... like Rick I am not sure I like the man anymore, but I do understand a bit better. |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: JedMarum Date: 29 Apr 00 - 12:00 AM Blue Jay - you are mistaken. I am fiercely Independent. |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: DougR Date: 29 Apr 00 - 01:01 AM Rick: While you may disagree with half, or even everything I have posted (I assume your are referring to my political belief postings), you are civil about it. Who can find fault with that? We have had some private exchanges and I don't detect that you have less respect for me based on the fact that we don't agree politically, anymore than I respect you less for not sharing my beliefs. Those who declare themselves to be Liberals but cannot respect other people's right to share a political philosophy different from theirs are not, in my opinon, Liberal. I haven't noticed that the few Republicans that have posted recently to any of these inflamatory threads have tried to foist their views on anyone else. Nor have I read of their bashing people because they don't agree with them. If I am mistaken and have missed such threads, I'd certainly like to read them if someone would point them out to me. Peace. DougR |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: Songster Bob Date: 29 Apr 00 - 02:26 AM The problem as I see it is that too many folks take "freedom of opinion" as a mandate to have one. On everything, whether they know the facts or not. Bob Clayton Also: Political parties are changing, with the middle ground being ground out of them. The Republicans seem bent on making ideology the be-all of the party, not just its core. Where would Nelson Rockefeller be today? Lots of those folks are probably more ashamed of him being a Republican than Dems are of Clinton! |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: Banjer Date: 29 Apr 00 - 07:52 AM It appears to me that if 'Ignorance Is Bliss', we must have some (probably most) of the happiest politicians in the world right here in the US. |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: DougR Date: 29 Apr 00 - 12:00 PM Well, Banjer, let's vote those rascals out of office! :>) DougR |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 29 Apr 00 - 02:37 PM The impression I get is that what's happened in the States is the same thing that's going on in England.
In what is effectively a two party system, the left wing party moves into the centre, and the right wing party moves further over to the right. The left wing party moves a little bit further to the right, and the people running the right wing party move even further right, and what was once seen as fringe right wing extremism becomes mainstream.
Presumably it could all go into reverse at some point. The other thing that could happen is that the rightwing party could do some fancy foot work, and pop up on the left of the "leftwing" party. There'd certainly be ample room for that, in both countries. Well, some of the attitudes and assumptions that the Conservatives had back in the days of Harold Macmillian (eg about tax levels) would now be seen as lunatic leftwing by the current Labour party. And you could be well to the left of Clinton and still count as pretty conservative in a lot of countries.
I think there's a lot to be said for taking the field-sport tradition into politics, and changing ends at half time. Or maybe it could be run on the lines of a barn dance, where you keep on changing partners. "Honour your partners - join hands and make a left hand star...now a right hand star..." |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: Art Thieme Date: 29 Apr 00 - 02:58 PM When Americans wake up and realize that Senators and representatives don't pay into Social Security at all but do, still, recieve a pension (which they gave themselves) that equals their entire pay check, well, maybe then it might become clear why none of the elected morons are going to do anything about fixing Social Security. They should all be on regular/normal Social Security which is less than $1,000.00 a month on average for all recipients. Then they'd fix it soon enough, I'm pretty damn sure. If this be thread creep, so be it. Art Thieme |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: Lonesome EJ Date: 29 Apr 00 - 04:14 PM Good point, Art. And how about a cap on income for those who are receiving Social Security, while we're at it? Why should a retired Air Force Colonel, who is receiving 50K or more in retirement salary from the US Govt Still feel that he is entitled to his $1000 a month in Social Security? The Social Security support was designed as a means of assisting those who had little or no other income in their old age, not as an entitlement to everyone of retirement age. Take that Air Force Colonel's 1000 a month and redistribute it to those who need it! |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 29 Apr 00 - 05:16 PM Naah, klet him keep the $1000, take the 5)K, share that out, and let him keep his share..(He's been getting enough in his pay packet to have built up a nice little nest-egg.) |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: DougR Date: 29 Apr 00 - 08:20 PM Sorry, Lonesome EJ, beg to disagree. The Social Security program was established to provide payment to everyone who participates. Even Bill Gates will get SS. I wasn't aware the military participated in SS, though. Civil Servants don't unless the law has changed since I served a brief stint as an employee of the U.S. Government. DougR |
Subject: RE: BS: Brain-Dead Republicans From: Banjer Date: 30 Apr 00 - 06:33 AM "Well, Banjer, let's vote those rascals out of office! :>)" The one problem with that theory, Doug, is for every one we have in office now there are two waiting to take his/her place! It seems to only get worse! My theory is that politicians, like royalty, are all inbred and until we can find some new blood it's only going to continue in the current tailspin we are in. |