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Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Mr Happy Date: 13 Nov 18 - 12:45 PM After having lost my 'Acadie' cassette years ago when the car stereo chewed it up, I was gratified to find it again on You Tube. A song I particularly liked was 'Jolie Louise' so I've re-learnt it & performed it last night at our session. The listeners enjoyed & remarked on the 'franglais' - so unusual. Here 'tis from the master: Jolie Louise |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Rollo Date: 14 May 01 - 05:36 PM When I heard Lanois´album "Acadie" i loved it from the first to the last notes... and "For the beauty of wynona" too... but then I heard a promo in the radio, Lanois sang most of the songs of both albums unplugged. OH BOY why hadn't he recorded this instead of his albums??? I agree that Daniel Lanois has a very personal style of producing. But when he will be tired of electronic one day and does the "one man, one guitar" number, he will become a monument of folk music. |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Steve Latimer Date: 14 May 01 - 08:04 AM Lej, The city of Steel is most likely Hamilton, Ontario whose main industry is Steel. Lanois used to have a studio there. |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Metchosin Date: 14 May 01 - 02:13 AM The T. H. & B is the Toronto, Hamilton and Buffalo Railway (a two car Budd) |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Lonesome EJ Date: 14 May 01 - 01:48 AM Question for you Canadians... in Lanois' Under the Stormy Sky, the verse goes
I hear the T.H.&B. First, what is the T.H.&B? What is the city of steel? And is there such a place as Sugar Town, as the song mentions? |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Margaret V Date: 13 May 00 - 05:06 PM Steve, thanks for the interesting perspective. I hadn't realized that Dylan had just gone through a major break-up; in fact I think part of my negative response to the album was based on a subconscious disbelief in the situations and emotions he was writing about. So much for my sensitivity and intuition. . . I think I will hear the album somewhat differently now. I should have mentioned that "Not Dark Yet" and "Cold Irons Bound" (and the way the one follows the other) are the highlights of the album for me. "Blood on the Tracks " is my favorite, too (though I'm sentimentally attached to "Desire" because it was the first record I ever bought, when I was about twelve years old. . . ). By the way, speaking of Dylan and breaking up, I'm with you all the way on your response to JenEllen's break-up thread. "I can't even touch the books you've read". . . boy, have I ever been there. Thanks again. Margaret |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: GUEST,Steve Latimer Date: 06 May 00 - 05:21 PM Peter, Bob also finishes the Blood on The Tracks version of Idiot Wind with "We're Idiots Babe, it's a wonder that we still know how to breathe." I haven't heard the version that you refer to, but plan on getting that collection soon. I have heard nothing praise for it. Steve |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: GUEST,Peter T. Date: 05 May 00 - 03:14 PM Oddly enough, the Dylan song that is my current favourite is off the Columbia bootleg double album. It is the first version of "Idiot Wind" -- there is also the first recording of "Tangled Up in Blue". What makes "Idiot Wind" so special is that it is certainly harsh, but towards the end it puts equal blame on both people ("we're idiots..."), and ends up being a better song. Somewhere between that and the next week (I think), he hardened his attitude and the version on the album is vicious. The earlier one is much more painful to hear -- you can just hear the pain in his voice. I think he just got frightened by it. yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: Lyr Add: STANDING IN THE DOORWAY and NOT DARK YET From: GUEST,Steve Latimer Date: 05 May 00 - 11:21 AM Margaret, I think that it's important to remember that Bob had just gone through a break up of a long term relationship prior to this album. I feel that he just sat down and poured out his heart into song. I get a feeling (romantic perhaps) that he wrote the songs quickly, kind of thought 'that's captured it' and was too emotionally distraught to go back and tinker. It's a very somber album, but concise and conveys his emotions well. Having gone through the same kind of thing myself may give these songs special meaning to me. I find that with a lot of Dylan's stuff that it seems that I'm not just listening to a song, but that I'm observing the narrator from not far away. I get very clear mental images of the stories. Interestingly enough my absolute favourite Dylan album 'Blood on the Tracks' was written in the wake of a divorce. I like all of the songs on the album, although I'm not completely sold on Highlands. Examples of lyrics I like from Time Out of Mind.
STANDING IN THE DOORWAY
I'm walking through the summer nights
The light in this place is so bad
Maybe they'll get me and maybe they won't
When the last rays of daylight go down
I'll eat when I'm hungry, drink when I'm dry and
NOT DARK YET
Shadows are falling and I've been here all day
Well my sense of humanity has gone down the drain
Well, I've been to London and I've been to gay Paree
I was born here and I'll die here against my will Perhaps they're simple and go for the obvious rhyme, but I like them a lot. (Does that say something about me?) |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Pixie Date: 04 May 00 - 07:55 PM When I first bought "Wrecking Ball" I was already a fan of Daniel Lanois', and probably the biggest Emmylou fan I know of. The first spin put me RIGHT OFF! This WAS NOT an Emmylou Harris cd, surely??!! I too, gave it to a friend and he convinced me that it was worth listening to over and over....and that's exactly what I have done. However, I agree with Steve (I think that's who said it), that "Cowgirl's Prayer" a shining example of Emmylou! ...and "Acadie" is great! Pixie |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Margaret V Date: 04 May 00 - 05:26 PM Well, Steve, I had a feeling I might be hearing from you after I re-read the thread and saw your comments on "Time Out of Mind" in the first post. Thanks for counting to ten and breathing deeply before answering! Tell me more; what do you like about the lyrics? Are there certain songs on it that you especially like? It certainly has a strong mood to it, and I LIKE the mood (I'm listening to it right now, you'll be happy to know). But my impression of the words is that they are somehow careless; to me that's not the same thing as "artistic license." On the other hand, maybe the more relaxed feeling of the words is what helps establish the mood. I WANT to like it. We've got common ground in Emmy Lou and Sinead (I go through phases where I really can't listen to anything but Emmy Lou). So talk me into it! Margaret |
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Subject: Lyr Add: O MARIE (in English) From: Metchosin Date: 04 May 00 - 02:55 PM Corrected English Translation of O Marie with added verse
There's someone calling my name
My hands are black as a dirty pig
Yes, my girlfriend sis waiting for me
Oh Driver give me a chance
Tonight, we're goong to town
O Marie, I've got a headache
The blue of the sky changed
There's someone calling my name |
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Subject: Lyr Add: O MARIE (in French) From: Clinton Hammond2 Date: 04 May 00 - 02:43 PM Kinda like this eh!
***O Marie
Y a quelqu'un qui appelle mon nom,
Mes mains sont noires a cochon,
Oui ma blonde elle attend apres mois,
Oh driver donne moi une chance,
Ce soir, on va au village,
O Marie, j'ai mal a la tete,
Le bleu du ciel a change,
Y a quelqu'un qui appelle mon nom, |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Metchosin Date: 04 May 00 - 02:43 PM Double Duh!!!! |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Metchosin Date: 04 May 00 - 02:42 PM Another friend of mine also worked as a tobacco picker in Ontario. She said it was gawd awful, you end up coated with the black tar from the plants and if you get it in any nick or scratch its stings like blazes. |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Clinton Hammond2 Date: 04 May 00 - 02:42 PM Why not just copy and paste the lyrics off his web site, like I did?? LOL!!!!! Have a look see... {~` |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Metchosin Date: 04 May 00 - 02:21 PM Yeah Clinton, you're right about the pig line I goofed and sang "My hands they sweat like dirty pigs" instead of "My hands are black as dirty pigs" I have the full French version written out by a friend from Quebec, but I can't read all her handwriting and my highschool French is sadly inadequate. Do you think I should try to post it anyway and have you, or someone else do the corrections where I goof up? |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Clinton Hammond2 Date: 04 May 00 - 01:52 PM Oh driver donne moi une chance... Right!! D'oh!!!! Goes before the verse about going to town to drink and sing....
Oh Driver give me a chance
But the only line about pigs is near the beginning about his hands being black as a dirty pig... {~` |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: GUEST,Steve Latimer Date: 04 May 00 - 01:24 PM Margaret V, Allright, I'v thougt about this a lot before replying, but "Time Out of Mind" has become one of my favourite Dylan albums. Personally I think the lyrics are great. I find Bob has turned into a much better story teller with his post 60's stuff. Sure, every once in a while he'll throw in something that is pretty obviously only there for the sake of the rhyme, but he's Bob for God's sake. I for one will allow him a bit of artistic license. |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Metchosin Date: 04 May 00 - 12:38 PM Clinton in my translation, off the top of my head, there is a line about "driver give me a chance" and the line "sweat like a pig" I'll see if I can find my translation also. |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Clinton Hammond2 Date: 04 May 00 - 12:25 PM refresh so the lyrics are found! {~` |
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Subject: Lyr Add: O MARIE (in English) From: Clinton Hammond2 Date: 03 May 00 - 01:11 PM English Translation of O Marie But I'm leaving the word 'hostie' as is so as not to corrupt the youth! LOL!!!!! There's someone calling my name
My hands are black as a dirty pig
Yes, my girlfriend sis waiting for me
Tonight, we're goong to town
O Marie, I've got a headache
The blue of the sky changed
There's someone calling my name |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Peter T. Date: 03 May 00 - 10:57 AM Sure, Steve, I agree, but put on, oh I don't know, "Ballad of a Runaway Horse" sometime soon, or (if I remember correctly) isn't there a version of "Boulder to Birmingham" on Spyboy? Whew. There is a very early Sarah Vaughan album with Clifford Brown that is really a peak for female jazz singers. She tended to get mannered, and had some albums with boring orchestration later on. I forget the label -- will check it out tonight. Nina Simone's early "I Loves You Porgy" is pretty special too. yours, Peter |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: BeauDangles Date: 03 May 00 - 10:40 AM Hey Metchosin, Actually, I'd love to see the English translation of O Marie. I've been able to puzzle out some of the patois in Under the Stormy Sky. Between the miniscule bit of french I do know, and the english in the song, and some context based educated guesses, it begins to make sense. O Marie is another beastie altogether! BeauD |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: GUEST,Steve Latimer Date: 03 May 00 - 10:20 AM Peter, I knew I forgot someone and it was Joni!!! I also think she is a very underrated songwriter (although many will disagree). I'm not sure that I've heard Sarah Vaughan, will try to check her out. I'm listening to Wrecking Ball right now. It may wear on me eventually, but I'm really liking it now. Loving the CanCon too. Songs written by Neil Young, The McGarrigles and of course Daniel Lanois himself. I also like her treatment of Jimi's May This be Love. |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Peter T. Date: 02 May 00 - 05:14 PM Steve, you and I have almost identical tastes in spine chilling women singers! Billie, Aretha, and (did?) Sinead O'Connor. Same reaction. Hard to think of others spine-chillers on that level -- Joni Mitchell's Blue album maybe. Very early Sarah Vaughan. Piaf. I know, thread creep, but is there a better topic? yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Metchosin Date: 02 May 00 - 03:06 PM If you are interested BeauD, I have an English translation of O Marie somewhere, but perhaps by your moniker it may not be required. |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: BeauDangles Date: 02 May 00 - 01:22 PM I see Mr. Lanois as kind of the Stanley Kubrick of record producers--but in a good way. I was never too fond of mr. kubrick, but you could say this about his work: there was never any doubt as to whose film it was. He had an inimicable style that was all his own--love it or hate it. I am very fond of Mr. Lanois' work. He has produced a wide variety of artists, but each recording has a style that just screams "Lanois!". An earlier post said that he had an "organic" approach to producing a record, and I would have to agree with that. As far as his own records go, I am just smitten with Acadie. It's one of the finest recordings I have ever heard. Well-performed, well-recorded, well-produced, well-written. My only problem with it is that it doesn't have a lyrics sheet. For the Beauty of Wynona still leaves me a little cold. But I haven't given up on it yet. It is a challenging listen. Just my $.02 BeauD |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: GUEST,Steve Latimer Date: 02 May 00 - 01:22 PM Peter, She sure is great though. One of the few female singers who send a chill down my spine, the others being Billie Holliday, Aretha Franklin and at times Sinead O'Connor. |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Peter T. Date: 02 May 00 - 12:04 PM I am a great fan of Emmylou Harris, and while parts of "Wrecking Ball" are great, I think some parts of it are swamped by the sound. He seems to have no sense of when a song thrives in that power space he set ups, and when not. It could be anyone enmeshed in his sound aura. I find that "Wrecking Ball" wears off after awhile, you just get tired of the same very powerful approach over and over -- but I find that I can listen to, oh, Cowgirl's Prayer, year after year. yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: GUEST,Steve Latimer Date: 02 May 00 - 10:54 AM I listened to Wrecking Ball a couple of times and it sat in my CD pile for ages. I then loaned it to friend who had never heard Emmy Lou. She raved about it, prompting me to listen to it again. I'm now hooked. The Joshua Tree is my favourite U2 Album, I've always loved the "sound shapes" on it. I didn't realize that it was produced by Lanois. I also really like the Lanois penned "The Maker" from Willies Teatro CD. I guess my next purchase will be 'Acadie' Frankie, I didn't realize Sister Rosa was done by the Neville Brothers, but it's a great song even though it's Rap. (with apologies to Rick Fielding) |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Metchosin Date: 02 May 00 - 01:48 AM simon-pierre, you could have a point there, it definitely is recognizable. Although, I would put Lanois in the same league as Phil Spectre and his influence in the early sound of Rock and Roll. Regardless, whatever it is, I do love it and have not tired of the "sound" in many years. |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: GUEST,Frankie Date: 01 May 00 - 10:36 PM Yellow Moon by the Neville Brothers is a classic. Contains the only rap tune (Sister Rosa) I'll voluntarily put on the HiFI. F |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Metchosin Date: 01 May 00 - 10:33 PM I won't Margaret, as I haven't heard Dylans album, mainly because I haven't liked Dylan since the Times They Are a Changing Days. I got The Beauty of Winona based on the simplicity and power of the songs on Acadie and I guess I was expecting the same stuff and didn't get it. Maybe I should listen again and give the album more of a chance. |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Margaret V Date: 01 May 00 - 10:14 PM I think his work on "Wrecking Ball," as well as the Slingblade music, is phenomenal. I find it lush, beautiful, and fresh; it puts Emmy Lou's voice in a different context, and it works. And I like "For the Beauty of Winona" pretty well. As for "Time Out of Mind," I still haven't learned to like it. But this is despite, not because of, Lanois' production. In fact, the Lanois sound may be the only thing that makes me put it on once every six months. . . I keep hoping I'll like it better each time, but I just can't cope with the simplistic rhyming and insipid words on so many of the songs; it's not what I want from Dylan. OK, go ahead, rip me apart, call me a plebe. . . maybe I'll learn something in the process! Margaret |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: simon-pierre Date: 01 May 00 - 10:11 PM I really liked, on the first hearing, the latest Dylan's album, but Emmylou's one deceived me. Lanois, in both case, is too present i think; you hear HIS sound. |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: GUEST, Threadie Date: 01 May 00 - 09:48 PM I actually DID like 'For the beauty of Winona - The American edition'. Wasn't bowled over by the edition the rest of the world got. |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Metchosin Date: 01 May 00 - 09:38 PM or to borrow from another thread, Daniel Lanois is why some of us love so sing and play instuments in toilets and stairwells. |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Metchosin Date: 01 May 00 - 08:54 PM I find it interesting to compare U2's Album "October" which was produced by Steve Lilywhite and "The Joshua Tree", which was produced by Lanois and Brian Eno. You can begin to hear Lanois influence with the group and by comparison, the "October" recording sounds flat.
Lanois stuff sounds as if it was recorded in a cathedral and the sound soars on The Joshua Tree album, while he still maintains very personal and live vocals.
Maybe the Catholic church had a profound influence on the lad, auditorilly as well, because it sounds to me, that he has managed, on some of his albums, to reproduce the ambience of some very acoustically fine churches, with his recordings.
I have heard that sound on a few occasions live, one of which is operatic solos, sung unmiked in churches, with incredible acoustics. The music cascades from the ceiling, without the hard confusing cacophony of echos that some venues produce. I think he brings a profoundly moving epiphenal experience to his work. |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Metchosin Date: 01 May 00 - 08:01 PM Are we talking about the same recordings here Callie? |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Callie Date: 01 May 00 - 07:49 PM I find his production interesting and unique, but I'm not a fan because it is so dense. I think it often swamps a song . "I like to hear the words", (I said in a grandpa voice). My preference is for a more acoustic feel, or at least for more space. But it's all just a preference thing: no doubt his work in pretty amazing. |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Metchosin Date: 01 May 00 - 06:26 PM I would agree Willie-O, most recordings to me sound overly compressed and I think Lanois techniques give a wonderful impression of live music. There is an openess about them. |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Willie-O Date: 01 May 00 - 06:18 PM well, hey, N'Awlins suits him. Lots of the brers down there. I think his approach to production is "organic"--he tries to get the natural sound of the room to come out, there's a very active ambient background. I've worked with someone else who does this, sort of, and it's pretty interesting. W-O |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Metchosin Date: 01 May 00 - 04:25 PM just another one of us damned Canucks that headed south. |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Metchosin Date: 01 May 00 - 04:11 PM Please, please check out "Acadie", you won't be disappointed, but I'm not to fussy about "For the Beauty of Winona". |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: GUEST,Steve Latimer Date: 01 May 00 - 04:09 PM I did a little surfing. I'm not a Blue Clicky Thing Guy, so you'll have to type in this URL, but it sure was eye opening for me. |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: catspaw49 Date: 01 May 00 - 03:57 PM Sign me up with Leej....and he's a tremendous guitarist. There is a "Sessions at W. 54th" on PBS that he was on with Emmylou and it was a fine program. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: GUEST,Steve Latimer Date: 01 May 00 - 03:56 PM Apparently he did produce Gabriel, Robbie Robertson, U2 and the Neville Brothers, although I'm not sure which albums. Clinton, I don't have Oh Mercy, but I've really liked what I've heard of it. I also remember having liked the music in Slingblade, although I wasn't aware that he did it. Hmm, maybe there's something to this guy. |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Metchosin Date: 01 May 00 - 03:48 PM I'm pretty certain he did Shambles. |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: The Shambles Date: 01 May 00 - 03:42 PM Was this the same one that produced Peter Gabriel? |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Metchosin Date: 01 May 00 - 03:25 PM I too like his work Clinton and I have never tired of Acadie, some of my favorite songs ever recorded are on that album and I would argue to death anyone who wouldn't consider his "O Marie" a folksong. |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Lonesome EJ Date: 01 May 00 - 03:18 PM Ditto on Acadie. Also check out the Slingblade soundtrack which was done by Lanois. |
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Subject: RE: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: Clinton Hammond2 Date: 01 May 00 - 03:12 PM He also produced Dylans, "Oh Mercy".. a fantastic album... and an album or 2 for U2... I like his work, but I perfer his music... Acadie is a great album! {~` |
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Subject: Daniel Lanois producer, your thoughts From: GUEST,Steve Latimer Date: 01 May 00 - 02:13 PM In the last while I've picked up CD's by three of my musical heroes, Dylans 'Time Out Of Mind', Willie Nelson's 'Teatro' and Emmy Lou Harris's 'Wrecking Ball.' The thing that they all have in common is that they were produced by Daniel Lanois. I have to admit that I wasn't knocked out by any of them on the first couple of listens, thinking that they were overproduced. But I must admit that they have all really grown on me, especially the Dylan one. The production values are all quite different from the work that these artists have done in the past, and it took me some time to get used to this, but I now think Lanois has done a remarkable job of shaping the sound of these works. Does anyone have any thoughts on his work. I think I read that he also did Gordon Lightfoots last CD, which I haven't heard. I also haven't heard his solo work, but I think it would be worth checking out. |
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