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Rick 02 Jul 97 - 12:28 PM
Paul Kennedy 02 Jul 97 - 02:20 PM
alan B 02 Jul 97 - 02:46 PM
LaMarca 02 Jul 97 - 02:57 PM
÷jje 02 Jul 97 - 05:06 PM
Rick 03 Jul 97 - 02:46 AM
alan 03 Jul 97 - 10:05 AM
03 Jul 97 - 12:17 PM
jeaniem@denver.net 05 Jul 97 - 02:24 PM
LaMarca 08 Jul 97 - 06:48 PM
Alan B (a-burgess@s-cheshire.ac.uk) 09 Jul 97 - 04:25 AM
Rick 09 Jul 97 - 04:39 AM
Wolfgang Hell 09 Jul 97 - 05:24 AM
del 11 Jul 97 - 08:08 PM
Rick 18 Jul 97 - 07:04 AM
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John Nolan 28 Jul 97 - 08:21 PM
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Subject: Cod Liver Oil
From: Rick
Date: 02 Jul 97 - 12:28 PM

I remember singing a song by (I think) Hamish Imlach called Cod Liver Oil or some such.

Very baudy and scottish.

I tried to remember the words and chords the other day and realised that time (and, yes, probably the beer as well) had wiped most of the verses.

Can anyone please help?

Answers in a plain brown e-mail, to rfears@bigfoot.com or rfears@serco.com or rfears@esoc.esa.de, but please post here as well.


Click for Lyrics in Digital Tradition

TIA

Rick.


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Subject: Lyr Add: COD LIVER ILE^^^
From: Paul Kennedy
Date: 02 Jul 97 - 02:20 PM

COD LIVER ILE

I'm a young married man that is tired in life
Ten years I've been married to an ailing young wife
She does nothing all day but sit down and cry
A wishing to God that soon she could die

CHORUS
Doctor oh Doctor, oh dear Doctor John
Your cod liver ile is so pure and so strong
I'm afraid of me life I'll go down in the sile
If my wife don't stop drinking your cod liver ile

I bought her a bottle twas just for to try
And the way that she drank it you'd swear she were dry
I bought her another which vanished the same
I think she's got cod liver ile on her brain
CHORUS

She likes it so much that there is no doubt
Me wife she got fat and terrible stout
And when she got stout of course she got strong
And then I got jealous of Doctor dear John

CHORUS

Me house it resembles a big doctor's shop
With bottles and bottles and bottles on top
And then in the morning when the kettle does bile
I swear it be singing of cod liver ile

CHORUS
^^^


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: alan B
Date: 02 Jul 97 - 02:46 PM

Rick

I don't recognise Paul's song, Hamish may have sung that, but I remember Hamish singing a (humerous?) song about "the Cod liver oil & the Orange Juice". It sticks in my mind, just as, when little in the post-war years, the daily dose of "the Cod liver oil & the Orange Juice" my mother insisted on giving me (together with "National Dried" powdered milk) stuck in my throat!

Can't remember the words, but the refrain went something like

Oh Oh, Glory Allelulia, Cod liver oil & the Orange Juice

Is this familiar to you?

Alan B

If so I'd like to know the words too!


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: LaMarca
Date: 02 Jul 97 - 02:57 PM

Dear Rick,
I have one of those "Best of the British Folk Boom" compilations that has Hamish Imlach's version of "The Cod Liver Oil and the Orange Juice". If I get a chance this weekend, I'll transcribe it and post it Monday, if no-one else has done it yet! I like it 'cause it's all about "Hairy Mary" - since I'm one of those folks some other correspondent scornfully referred to as "hairy-pitted hippy chicks"...My husband and I vaguely remember Ed Miller, the Austin, Texas Scotsman, singing it at one of his DC concerts, too...


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: ÷jje
Date: 02 Jul 97 - 05:06 PM

Rick

You will also find the text in the DT! The Dubliners have recorded this song. It is on the album "Celebration".


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Rick
Date: 03 Jul 97 - 02:46 AM

Thanks all for the answers so far. The song I am thinking of is indeed about orange juice as well as the delightful Hairy Mary and her amorous adventures in Glasgow.

Paul/÷jje - sorry wrong song but still good words - I see in the DT that its from Burl Ives. Might use it sometimes.

LaMarca - really looking forward to Monday (if I survive the Rudolstadt Folk Festival this weekend, which looks like it will be a mudbath :-( ).

Thanks again

Rick.


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: alan
Date: 03 Jul 97 - 10:05 AM

I've got a home recording of Jerry Adams from Madison County, NC playing banjo and singing Cod Liver Oil. He says he got it from Walter Forbes bluegrass album some 30 years ago. It matches the words that Paul B put down in this thread. If anyone would like I can record part of it to a *.wav file and email attach it. Let me know. By the way, Jerry does an absolutely beautiful job with this tune.


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
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Date: 03 Jul 97 - 12:17 PM

alan

yes please, if you have the time I'd really like to hear it.

Thanks

Rick rfears@bigfoot.com or rfears@esoc.esa.de or rfears@serco.com


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: jeaniem@denver.net
Date: 05 Jul 97 - 02:24 PM

I believe the version sent by Paul Kennedy is on the mark. Burl Ives recorded this probably in the fifties or sixties or earlier. The lyrics given by Paul are pretty close to correct.

Jeanie


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE COD LIVER OIL AND THE ORANGE JUICE
From: LaMarca
Date: 08 Jul 97 - 06:48 PM

Well, Rick, here it is; I've tried my best at translating the Glaswegian off my tape; there'll be a few holes in the verses where I just can't make out the placenames through Hamish Imlach's accent... maybe one of our Scottish correspondents can fill in or correct the gaps!

Well, oot of the east, there came a hard man,
Ohhoohh, all the way from Bricton (Brighton? with a Scots accent?)

    Ahhahh, glory hallelujah,
    Cod liver oil and the orange juice.

Well, he went intae a pub and he come oot paralytic,
Ohhoohh, VP and cider,

    Aahhahh, what a hell of a mixture,
    Cod liver oil and the orange juice.

    Spoken aside:"Sex rears its ugly head now!"

Does this bus go to the (Danister Parley)?
Ohhoohh, I'm lookin' for a lumber,

    Ahhahh, glory hallelujah,
    Cod liver oil and the orange juice.

    Spoken: "Eyes up the talent, and lo, and behold..."

In the dancin' he met Hairy Mary,
Ohhohh, the flo'or o' the Gorbels,

    Aahhahh, etc.

    Spoken: "He chats her up.."

"Ah, noo, Mary, are ye dancin'?"
"Oh, no, it's jest the way I'm standin'"

    Aahahh, etc.

    Spoken:"Rebuffed!"

"Well, then, Mary, you're one in a million",
"Ohhohh, so's yer chances!"

    Aahhahh, etc.

    Spoken:"Rebuffed again!"

"Well, then, Mary, can I run ye hame?
Ohhoohh, I've got a pair of sandshoes(?)"

    Aahhaahh," yer hell of a funny..."etc

    Spoken:"Never say die; sways aboot non-chalantly pickin' his nails wi' 'is bayonet; an 'e knocks 'er off!..."

Well, doon through the back close, and intae the dunny,
Ohhoohh, it wasnae for the first time,

    Aahhahh, etc.

Then oot came her mammy, she was goin' tae the clodgy(?)
Ohhoohh, half-buggered off Sharpies(?)

    Aahhahh, etc.

Noo Hairy Mary's lookin' for her hard man
Ohhoohh, he's joined the Foreign Legion

    Aahhaahh, Sahara under a camel
    Cod liver oil and the orange juice

Then Hairy Mary had a little baby,
Ohhoohh, his father's in the army,

    Aahhaahh, glory hallelujah,
    Cod liver oil and the orange juice.

    Truly perverse; I guess that's why I like it!


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE COD LIVER OIL AND THE ORANGE JUICE
From: Alan B (a-burgess@s-cheshire.ac.uk)
Date: 09 Jul 97 - 04:25 AM

Lamarca

You're a treasure

From the dim & distant memories, can I suggest the following?

Thanks for these lyrics - they're great. Few points

I would guess that bricton is a suburb of Glasgow,
though I could not find it on the map

the Palais was a local dance hall
The cludgy is local parlance for a primitive external water closet

half-buggered off Sharpies(?) Could this be
he buggered off sharpish? would make sense
  
Well, oot of the east, there came a hard man,
Ohhoohh, all the way from Bricton

Ahhahh, glory hallelujah,
Cod liver oil and the orange juice.

Well, he went intae a pub and he come oot paralytic,
Ohhoohh, VP and cider,

Aahhahh, what a hell of a mixture,
Cod liver oil and the orange juice.

Spoken aside:"Sex rears its ugly head now!"

Does this bus go to the Danister Palais
Ohhoohh, I'm lookin' for a lumber,

Ahhahh, glory hallelujah,
Cod liver oil and the orange juice.

Spoken: "Eyes up the talent, and lo, and behold..."

In the dancin' he met Hairy Mary,
Ohhohh, the flo'or o' the Gorbels,

Aahhahh, etc.

Spoken: "He chats her up.."

"Ah, noo, Mary, are ye dancin'?"
"Oh, no, it's jest the way I'm standin'"

Aahahh, etc.

Spoken:"Rebuffed!"

"Well, then, Mary, you're one in a million",
"Ohhohh, so's yer chances!"

Aahhahh, etc.

Spoken:"Rebuffed again!"

"Well, then, Mary, can I run ye hame?
Ohhoohh, I've got a pair of sandshoes"

Aahhaahh," yer hell of a funny..."etc

Spoken:"Never say die; sways aboot non-chalantly pickin' his nails wi' 'is bayonet; an 'e
knocks 'er off!..."

Well, doon through the back close, and intae the dunny,
Ohhoohh, it wasnae for the first time,

Aahhahh, etc.

Then oot came her mammy, she was goin' tae the cludgy
Ohhoohh, he buggered off sharpish

Aahhahh, etc.

Noo Hairy Mary's lookin' for her hard man
Ohhoohh, he's joined the Foreign Legion

Aahhaahh, Sahara under a camel
Cod liver oil and the orange juice

Then Hairy Mary had a little baby,
Ohhoohh, his father's in the army,

Aahhaahh, glory hallelujah,
Cod liver oil and the orange juice.


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Rick
Date: 09 Jul 97 - 04:39 AM

Many thanks to you all - you've brought back memories of my student days that are probably best forgotten...

On the details, I think its Brigto(w)n, he certainly did bugger off sharpish. Alan B's ideas about Palais and cludgy are correct.

We used to sing slightly different words in some places, for instance "And so's yer f***ing chances", after "it wasnae for the first time" we sang "Aahhaahh, it woudnae be the last time" and the final chorus was "Aahhaahh, the Salvation Army...". Oh, and our hero was engaging in some very unlikely activities with the camels while in the foreign legion.

The last time I sang the song was in 1972 (late on at a wedding reception in St. Andrews, Scotland - the bride's family never forgave me...)

Again many thanks


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Wolfgang Hell
Date: 09 Jul 97 - 05:24 AM

I have a copy of an "official version" of the lyrics and can just fill in the very few holes left in LaMarca's version:
- verse 1: Brigton (LaMarca's guess should be correct)
- verse 3: Dennistown Palais
- verse 4: Gorbals
- verse 7: sandshoes's correct
- verse 9: cludgy (I was told that's a Scottish word for an outdoor toilet); buggered off sharpish
- verse 10: Sahara Rat or the camels
Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: del
Date: 11 Jul 97 - 08:08 PM

don't talk to me about godeliver oil see i'm him. and if you're about to leave don't talk to me about giving it up cause i really don't give a shit


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Rick
Date: 18 Jul 97 - 07:04 AM

Wolfgang

taking advice from a Glaswegian, a cludgy can be outdoors but the main difference between cludgy and toilet is that there is no sexual discrimination - i.e. males and females use it, sometimes at the same time....

Again thanks to all contributors to this minor thread.

Rick.


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Alex
Date: 25 Jul 97 - 11:01 PM

The Palais was a dance hall where folks went to meet. At the time the song was written, The Gorbals was a slum district of Glasgow - the old tennements have now been razed. In each stairwell of a tennement, there was a common toilet, known as a "Cludgy" - an onomatopoeic word which decribed the noise it made when it was flushed. (Victorian area toilets had a water tank about 7 feet above the bowl and a chain and handle hung down from the tank to operate it. When you pulled the chain - there was a mechanical "Cludge" - the "Clank" was dampened by the water and then a "Cheeee" as the water flowed down - hence the "CLUDGEE")


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: John Nolan
Date: 28 Jul 97 - 08:21 PM

From the same Hamish Imlach album, (sadly lost in this house) could someone please trouble to post the classic words of The 37 Bus - which used to run from Springburn to Castlemilk. And who wrote the song? Not Adam McNaughtan - he denied authorship, although it has the same black humor as The Body. The 37 Bus's tune, as I recall, is, or is akin to Nicky Tams.


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Rick
Date: 29 Jul 97 - 11:59 AM

John

Can I suggest you repost your request in a separate thread - not that I mind you appearing here, but you might get more replies if you make your own thread.

Cheers

Rick.


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Subject: Lyr/Chords Add: COD LIVER OIL^^^
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Sep 01 - 09:14 PM

This version is a bit different from what's in the Digital Tradition, although I don't think I'll harvest it for the database. It has one extra verse, and the wording and chorus are a bit different. The tune is in the database.
-Joe Offer-

COD LIVER OIL

        Em            B7          Em
I'm a young married man that is tired of life,
Am Em
Ten years I've been wed to a sickly wife.
G D
She does nothing all day but sit down and cry,
Em B7 Em
A praying to God she'd get better or die.

Chorus:

B7 Em
Oh Doctor, dear Doctor, Oh Doctor dear John,
Am Em
Your Cod live: oil is so pure and so strong,
G D
I'm afraid of me life, I'd go down to the still,
Em Bm Em
If me wife don't stop drinking your Cod liver oil.
Em
Cod liver oil, Cod liver oil.


Now, an old friend of mine came to see me one day,
He said that my wife, she was pinin' away.
He afterwards told me that she would get strong,
If I got her a bottle from Doctor, dear, John.

Well, I got her a bottle, 'twas just for to try,
And the way that she drank it, you'd think she was dry;
I got her another, it vanished the same,
And now she's got Cod liver oil on the brain.

Now, my house it resembles a big doctor's shop,
'Tis filled up with bottles from bottom to top,
And when in the mornin', the kettle does boil,
You'd swear it was singin' out: "Cod liver oil !"

Now, come all you young fellows, where e'er you may be,
I hope you will heed this fair warnin' from me,
From sickely women, I pray you recoil,
Or you'll end up a-swimmin' in Cod liver oil!


^^^ JRO


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Whippet
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 05:39 AM

Hamish now sadly departed from this mortal coil wrote an excellent book called I believe 'Cod Liver Oil and the orange Juice' subtitled reminiscences of a Fat Scottish Folksinger which was published by Mainstream Press. It's a really funny book with a lot of classic Hamish stories of life on the road plus some lyrics.


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE 37 BUS (Ian McCarry, Tom Docherty)
From: GUEST,little john cameron
Date: 12 Sep 01 - 08:00 AM

THE 37 BUS
(written by Ian McCarry and Tom Docherty)

Ah wiz sittin on the upper deck o' a 37 bus
Ah seen big Jimmie swillin wine an' stirrin up a fuss
The driver stopped the bus right sharp an' belted up the stair
"Yie can get the hell right aff this bus if ye gie us any mair"
?Pal, no offense" big Jimmie said: "if ye knew what I've been through
Ye widnae say such things tae me or blame a man that's fu'
Fur Ah lost ma pile on the dugs taenight, Ah'll huv yes fur tae know
Fur Ah put down all ma overtime pay on a dug that widnae go"

The driver said "Ah dinnae care nor gie a Tinker's curse
Yer swearin an yer bawlin is disturbin a' the bus
Ah've hud aboot enough of you, a lot more than Ah need
If ye dont haud that big tongue o' yours, Ah'll stuff it doon yer heid."
Big Jimmie looked up and he sighed and he finished aff his wine
He says "The way ye've spoke tae me has went right oot o' line
Ah've sorted out 15 like you tae get intae a fight
Get doon on yer knees and beg fur help, yah dirty little shite."

At this the bus began tae clear as people got off fast
Wi' good auld Glasgow chivalry the wimmen an children last
They gathered round and they shouted out fur they didnae like big Jim
?Come now driver sink the boot, get stuck right intae him."
The driver smiled and waded in kicking and swinging blows
Until he got Jim's big square heid aplanted on his nose
His knee came up, his fist went doon that wiz the battle o'er
So he jumped a couple o' times on his heid as he lay upon the floor

An' staightaway the polis came up tae capture Jim
In threes an' fours an' dozens, well he laid them oot round him
An' when wi' forty stoatin him he finally sensless sank
Ah counted fourteen polis hats washed away doon a stank
So if ye're ever sittin on a 37 bus
An see big Willie swillin wine and kickin up a fuss
Don't try tae act the hero an throw big Jimmie aff
Cos the poor old Glasgow polis, They huvnae got the staff.

IN MEMORY ON MAH PAL BIG JIM [SOX] McSORLIE
John Cameron


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,Rosie
Date: 28 May 02 - 02:29 PM

From a Glaswegian. I was looking for the lyrics of this song and came across this forum. The right name is Bridgeton pronounced Brigton. It is in the east end of Glasgow definitely not England. The Dennistoun Palais is the other name mentioned It was a dance hall also in the east end of Glasgow Sandshoes are sneakers. I know I am several years late but hope that helps.


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Emma B
Date: 28 May 02 - 04:02 PM

Thanks for the thread - brought back happy days in the late 60's when I was a social work student in Glasgow and met Hamish while 'doing Rose St' in Edinburgh (I woke up in a sidings the next morning!) I stayed for a while in a working girls hostel in the red light district (no pun intended) and was given Hamish's L.P. as a leaving present from the 'teuchters- and proud of it' I left behind By the way the other Codliver oil song on this thread I'm sure is something like 'Dr Dijohn' as it was a proprietery concoction sold under that name. I'll ask my friend in West Cork who taught me the song


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 28 May 02 - 07:40 PM

The Dubliners (on 'Celebration', 1987) call 'the other one' Cod Liver Oil as well - but no orange juice! Does anyone want the lyrics?


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Jon Bartlett
Date: 28 May 02 - 09:38 PM

Susanne's Folksong-Notizen (Henry's Liederbuch) has the words to Hamish' song. Note the significant variations: v2: Lanliq and cider (said by Nigel Gatherer to be a potent fortified wine; identified as Lang's Liqueur (ex South Africa), also known as Lannie by Gerry Milne). "Gorbals" is correct spelling. I think the Sahara line is "Sahara and a ra camel", a usage I recognize from G.M. Fraser's "The General Danced at Dawn" but I have no idea of its provenance, other than that it's probably a Glasgow usage. The song (a parody of "Virgin mary Had a Little Baby") was made by Ron Clark and Karl McDougall, according to Hamish himself in the accompanying notes.

The other Cod Liver Oil song is very well known in Newfoundland, but has its origins in Ireland. I believe the chorus starts: "O Doctor, O Doctor, O Doctor De Jongh/Your cod liver oil is so pure and so strong..."


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,ozmacca
Date: 28 May 02 - 10:34 PM

Loved this song (song?) when I first heard it performed back in the dim dark folk boom days of the sixties. Guaranteed to crack up audiences - especially with the likes of Imlach and McGinn around. Oh those were the days all right. And the 37 Bus and the body found on the policeman's beat....... Oh, dear. Harumph.. Changes into serious tone....

Interesting point for all you scholars out there. Re Cludgy (cludgie - cludgee - whatever) Do I remember aright that the latin for a sewer was a via cloaca (or similar). There is thus an obvious marked similarity between the modern Glasgow word still in common useage, and the ancient latin. This then would indicate that the term generally adopted for all kinds of toilet facilities by the indigenous native inhabitants of that portion of the territory neighbouring the outflung Roman Empire may in fact be a possible corruption of the latin.

Now I wonder if this will lead to a learned discourse on the adoption of foreign phrases into modern language, or will they realise I'm kidding... aren't I?


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 29 May 02 - 06:24 PM

Hamish recorded the song several times and used slightly different lyrics. The version in Henry's Songbook that Jon's posting refers to came from 'I Was Born In Glasgow', an LP of Glasgow songs produced by Ewan McVicar in 1991. I have two more but can't recall their precise lyrics.
I'd love to know what 'Sahara and a ra camel' actually means - 'under a camel' was all I could work out, but it has always sounded too sane to me! Unfortunately, Hamish did not include the lyrics in his book, although it takes its title from the song. Pity!


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,Jim I
Date: 29 May 02 - 07:18 PM

"Sahara and ra camel" is simply "Sahara and the camel". This refers to the common mode of transport in that region where, unfortunately, the 37 Bus does not reach, due to a manning dispute with the Glasgow bus drivers.

Although living in England I still sing these songs which go down well albeit with the occasional quizical look.


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Jon Bartlett
Date: 29 May 02 - 08:46 PM

Guest JIMi, do you mean that we are mishearing the phrase, or that the *meaning* of "and ra camel" is simply "and the camel"? If the latter, do you know where I could find out about the :ra" usage? Is it only Glaswegian? Cheers!


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,ozmacca
Date: 29 May 02 - 10:25 PM

As is becoming obvious to the meanest intelligence (don't you just love that phrase....)certain sounds used by the native Glaswegian, and other inhabitants of the neighbouring territories are in fact derived from the stress placed upon the "parent" word as a result of a dialect which utilises such definitive pronunciation aids as the deliberate consonant slur and the emphatic glottal stop in its' make-up.

All of which means that "ra" usually is the sound made by an inhabitant of the great east city when he or she means "the". Interestingly, the interpretation of the "th" sound can be varied from the extreme "RRR" as in "ra" (empahtic "the") to total deletion. A fine example of the latter is "..err" for "there". Thus, a typical conversation can be as follows.

"Errnaebus" - There is no bus.

"Ayrrerabus" - There is indeed a bus.

"Wherrabus?" - Where is the bus?

"Errabus" - There is the bus.

"Whitt, wherrabus?" - Excuse me, I see no bus.

"Errabusowrrer" - The bus is over there.

"Wherrowrrer?" - Where in particular.

"Errowrrer" - Indicating a specific location.

"Awrratsrrer" - Thank you for your assistance.


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,ozmacca
Date: 29 May 02 - 10:27 PM

Aaaaaarrrrghhhhh!!!!

I meant WEST city.... I shall now go and bile ma heid in a pale......... Erryinowrrer


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,Moleskin Joe
Date: 30 May 02 - 11:03 AM

Sahara an' ra camels is what you get if you join the Foreign Legion.


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,Jim I
Date: 30 May 02 - 05:18 PM

ozmacca has put it much better than I ever could. For your further delectation I suggest listening to anything by that great Scots comedian Stanley Baxter especially his sketches on the subject of 'Parliamo Glasgow'.


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Lanfranc
Date: 30 May 02 - 05:36 PM

Apart from Hamish, the best rendition of this I ever heard was that of Jim McCann, which probably transmogrified into the Dubliners' version, with which I am not familiar.

Happy memories! Very incomprehensible lyrics, esp. when sung by a drunken Irishman!

Alan


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 30 May 02 - 06:24 PM

Thanks, ozmacca! I should have realised that - but it was late at night! BTW, your conversation sample reminded me of the demonstration Hamish and Iain MacKintosh used to do of 'Glaswegian', ending up with the sentence 'There is an aeroplane over there' coming out as 'Eraneriorere' (more or less phonetic spelling ...)


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Kenny B
Date: 31 May 02 - 03:09 PM

Knock Knock ..... Who's err ......Erin ......Erin Who Erinurraeriowererr.
mmmmmmm should i have started anurra thread "Knock Knock"?

Ps Parliamo Glesca and a glossary of Scots/ GlescaWords


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Gray D
Date: 31 May 02 - 08:35 PM

We're drifting into "Wersa pears? Errsa pair o' pears owererr", aren't we?

I love this thread. Takes me straight back to the much missed local folk club in the seventies, where a true Scot used to do "Cod Liver Oil etc." every other week. In the "between" weeks he would do "If it wisnae fur yur wellies". Each song always by request and to much acclaim.

Happy daze.


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Yorkshire Tony
Date: 03 Jun 02 - 11:30 PM

Could someone provide guitar chords for the Hamish Imlach version please?


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Leeder
Date: 03 Jun 02 - 11:42 PM

By the way, I was told (by Hamish, and others), that in the Glasgow of those times, a woman who had cod liver oil and orange juice was likely pregnant and on welfare. Others couldn't afford it. Hence the chorus.

This, by the way, is a parody of the Christmas song "Virgin Mary Had a Little Baby". Was it Harry Belafonte? Somebody calypso. The tune is roughly the same.


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE POLICEMAN'S SONG (Hamish Imlach)
From: Teribus
Date: 04 Jun 02 - 02:58 AM

Three songs recorded by Hamish were mentioned earlier in the thread.
"Codliver Oil & the Orange Juice"
"37 Bus"
The third one I think is called "The Policeman's Song"

"THE POLICEMAN'S SONG"

It was doon in auld Invertoddy
The gestapo were oot oan there beats
Lookin' for murder and arson
An drunks as they stot doon the street

Noo two of the Chief Constables agents
Had note books quite full of names
Fourteen men, three women and a dug
For peein' up closes and lanes

It was twelve o'clock when they found it
Lyin' there just like a log
Twas a badly bashed aboot body
Tyre marks scotched up its physog

They went through the usual procedure
Kicked it to make sure it was dead
Then they went through its pockets and shared oot its cash
And smoked aw its fags while it bled

They then lifted up the body
Wan at its head and its feet
And they carried it af tae an alleyway
And they dumped it on anither mans beat

It was four o'clock when they re-found it
Propped up in and old chip shop door
It was naked be noo wi a note roond its neck
Not wanted on beats three or four

Cheers,

Bill.


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,ozmacca
Date: 04 Jun 02 - 03:12 AM

By jings, Teribus, that's scraping the barrel innit... though I have memories of slightly different phrases here and there.....

"The gestapo wis pounding the beat."

"Had notebooks that were stapped fu' o' names / Forty three men, twa wimmen, wan dug.."

"Twas jist aboot midnight they found it / Lyin' there jist like a log / A bad--ly badhed aboot body / Wi' tyre marks scorched up its' fizzog... (spoken) - Aye, sheer poetry."

They followed the normal procedure / A kick tae make sure it was deid...."

"Then they decided tae move it / Wan each tae its' heid and its' feet / They carted it up a wee alley / Tae dump on some ither bloke's beat."

Ahhh, how it takes me back. They knew how to write songs back in those days.... it's just that they didn't bother.


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,Guest Teribus
Date: 04 Jun 02 - 08:50 AM

Hi Ozmacca,

Thanks for the corrections - I was dredging this one up from memory - last heard it about thirty years ago!! That's why I wasn't all that sure of the title. Your lines are more likely to be the right ones.

Your closing comment:
"Ahhh, how it takes me back. They knew how to write songs back in those days.... it's just that they didn't bother."

Had me in stitches...Thanks for brightening up an otherwise dull day!!!

Cheers,

Bill.


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: HuwG
Date: 04 Jun 02 - 10:21 AM

Lovely thread, of course I love Imlach's music and humour.

One possible clarification of the lyrics for "Cod Liver Oil and the Orange Juice" ; "VP and cider ...". Is that possibly "Feed B and cider ...". I seem to recall hearing "Fed B" or "Feed B" as a reference to "Federation Breweries". (Federation Heavy is often described as a drink ideally suited to hand-to-hand combat).

Glasgow is of course the home of the story in which a constable knocks at the door of a tenement flat: PC "Does the widow McAlistair live here?"
Woman "I'm Mrs. McAlistair, aye, but I'm no' a widow."
PC "If you jist gae doon to the Infirmary, I think you'll find you're wrong. Good day to ye."


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Zipster
Date: 04 Jun 02 - 11:10 AM

... try again (pressing control I in the forum does really wierd things).

...Before my time yoiu understand, but I'm singularly sure that VP is fortified wine.

Perhaps some of my elders and betters can cast some light...

Z


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,Jim I
Date: 04 Jun 02 - 02:15 PM

VP wine was indeed a cheap, strong, fortified wine often used by drunks to get stocious as quickly as possible. As to the Copper's Song I don't think the exact words matter too much; I've been singing it for over 30 years and I use the words given by Teribus but who cares, it's still a great song.

Was it Hamish who sang "The Derry and Cumberland Boys"; a song about sectarian Glasgow street gangs?


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,ozmacca
Date: 04 Jun 02 - 06:40 PM

Heh, JimI, Ah mind o' ratt song (well, some of it anyway) but don't know if it his or McGinn's. Either way, it was another long time favourite in a lot of the clubs, depending on where you were of course....... but unfortunately these days it needs a fair bit of explanation before you can sing it - at least out here it does. Especially the bit about "...Parkheid is their new Jerusalem, and Jock Stein's a latter-day Christ..." there's usually a general issue of blank looks all round.

As far as correct words go, most of that sort of song used to change a fair bit anyway, as the performers added a wee twist here and there, so I don't think anyobody can claim to have the definitive version, unless sworn to by the original composer on a stack of pints o' heavy that high.


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Yorkshire Tony
Date: 04 Jun 02 - 08:11 PM

Can someone post all the words to the Derry and Cumberland boys? I had a tape of it once but it seems to have gone the way of all flesh. Also has anyone the full words to the Jelly Piece song?

Oh ye canna fling pieces oot a twenty story flat Seven hundred hungry weans will testify to that If its butter, cheese or jelly If the bread be plain or pan The odds against it reachin earth is 99 tea one


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Art Thieme
Date: 04 Jun 02 - 08:55 PM

PERFECT TIMING-----------for Queen Elizabeth

The "COD LIVER OIL (ILE)" that Burl Ives did, pretty much is the one posted here by Joe Offer and Paul Kennedy. It was on my favorite LP of his---BURL IVES--CORONATION CONCERT.----an old Decca LP record recorded in England during those celebration festivities just about exactly 50 years ago. It was recorded in concert from a house speaker with a very inexpensive microphone by Burl himself on his own personal reel-to-reel tape recorder because Mr. Ives wanted to have it for himself. It turned out to be so good that Decca Records issued it as it stood even though it was not the best fidelity.

Art Thieme


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE DERRY AND CUMBERLAND BOYS
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 02:35 AM

Again from dim and distant memory, I may have this mixed up a bit, but somebody out thre will know:

"THE DERRY AND CUMBERLAND BOYS"

Noo ye've heard o the Billies and Sallys
The Norman Cong and the Sang Toy
Here's two more tae add tae yer tally
The Derry and Cumberland Boys

Noo the Cumbie Boys are Roman Catholic
Tae chapel they've been wance ot twice
But Parkhead is their new Jerusalem
And Jock Stein the latter day Christ

And the Derry Boys are tae be christians
That's plain baith tae hear and tae see
For their language is really religious
"Jesus Christ", "Oh my God", "FTP"

When asked what they think o religion
They'll say "Aw religions aw right"
But these guys are only religious
When they want an excuse for a fight

So don't wear a green scarf in Brigton
Or a blue scarf in Cumberland Street
No unless your a heavy weight champion
Or hell o a quick on yer feet

Cheers,

Bill.


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,Moleskin Joe
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 03:52 AM

Norman Conks and San Toi (Glasgow Gangs).


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Jon Bartlett
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 04:42 AM

My old mate Adrian Duncan Irish'd the words here 30 years ago by replacing Derry and Cumberland with "Falls Road and Sandy Row", Parkheid with "Dublin", and Jock Stein's with "Devlin's", with the last verse running "So don't wear a orange scarf in Bogside/Or a green scarf when Paisley ye meet/Unless you're a Joe Flamin' Frazier/Or hellofa quick on your feet." Hamish did the excellent "Men of Knoydart" too, and my note in my old songbook says it was by Hamish Henderson. Is this so? (sorry for the thread creep).


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,Davetnova
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 08:33 AM

If memory serves I think the second line was - the Fleet, an' the Tong an' the Toi. They were well known Glasgow gangs of the fifties (and later).


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: EBarnacle1
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 01:16 PM

As a side note, thre is a tale going the rounds of the cook on a fishing schooner. It is clearly a variation on Moose Turd Pie. [Okay, I wrote it]


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 03:58 PM

Yorkshire Tony, this is THE JEELIE PIECE SONG (SKYSCRAPER WEAN). (Hope it works!)


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 04:01 PM

Oops - not quite, but it'll do.
Teribus, thanks for posting this. I thought I recognised a line quoted - it turns up on one of Hamish's albums as 'The Billies and the Sallies'.


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: MMario
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 04:08 PM

Barnacle - as in Cook on a Bark?


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: EBarnacle1
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 04:18 PM

Not quite, as with most truly folk themes, it came up (sorry I couldna resist) spontaneously. When I was writing my column, I found that almost every sea story I tried to originate had a cousin already.


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,Yorkshire Tony
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 08:36 PM

Thanks Teribus and Suzanne. Now does anyone have chords for Cod Liver Oil and Orange Juice?


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,ozmacca
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 08:52 PM

OK, so that's the Cod Liver Ile, The Jeely Piece, The 37 bus and The Body pretty well taken care of. Damn fine value here on the Mudcat Forum... Four for the price of one!

Now a new challenge... There was one about the trials and tribulations of living in a single end up a close (a one room flat in a Glasgow tenement building for the uninformed. No idea who by or even when, just a vague memory, perhaps from the days of the One O'Clock Gang STV show (Francie & Josie?)..... Anybody?

It might have been from the same stable as that one about "Back hame in dear auld Gorbals/In ma ain close......." to the same tune as the Kenneth McKellar/Moira Anderson type song "My Own Folk"


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,Jim I
Date: 06 Jun 02 - 06:04 PM

Francie and Josie!! That's going back a bit. I remember enjoying them from childbirth but I can't remember that one. I think my mother has some Rikki Fulton videos, I'll ask her to have a look just in case.

As to single ends there is always "The Dundee Ghost"! and the other one about top floor tenement flats which I think is called "The Dundee Cat".


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,ozmacca
Date: 06 Jun 02 - 06:37 PM

Hullawrerr JimI. Sarerrterris innit? Dundee Ghost is one I occassionally regurgitate if the wind's in the right direction, but the Cat is a new one on me..... Ony chance ora wurrdsen?


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: MMario
Date: 06 Jun 02 - 08:13 PM

That the one that ends "you'll regret the night you took me to the vet"?


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,ozmacca
Date: 06 Jun 02 - 08:40 PM

Hope not, MMario. I've got that in the repertoire already and a cat living in a single end up a close in Dundee sounds like it could be an interesting addition....


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,Dita (at work)
Date: 06 Jun 02 - 09:13 PM

The Derry and Cumberland boys was written by Adam McNaughtan, as was the Jeely Peice song.

Hamish Henderson was indeed the composer of Men of Knoydart, which appeared on Hamish's first album along with Cod liver oil, Derry and Cumberland boys and of course, Black is the Colour. The cover of this one was predominatly white with a small b&w photo of Hamish.

The 37 Bus and the police song (?the beat song), came from Both sides of........(Another folkie had released an album called Another side of....).Both albums were on the Xtra label.

Dundee Ghost by Matt McGinn.

Could the tenement song be either Adam McNaughtan's - Where is the Glasgow, and/or the reply by Jim McLean - The Glasgow that I used to Know. Ian Mac used to sing them one after the other.

Hope this helps,

love, john.


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Subject: Chords Add: COD LIVER OIL & THE ORANGE JUICE
From: Kenny B
Date: 07 Jun 02 - 04:59 PM

As Requested - Chords for
COD LIVER OIL & THE ORANGE JUICE.

Word by Carl McDougal & Ron Clark
Tune Virgin Mary Had a Little Baby
Source "One Singer One Song" Ewen McVicar
ASB Hamish Imlach


[Am] Oot o' the [F] east there [Am] cam' a wee hard man ,
Ah, Ha [C] a' the way frae Brigton,

Chorus
[Am] Oh, Oh, Glory Hallelujah,
Cod liver oil and the [G] orange juice,


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Kenny B
Date: 07 Jun 02 - 05:34 PM

Ozmacca - its in the DT
Dundee Cat


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 07 Jun 02 - 06:39 PM

On the only recording I have - which is a compilation from the German 'Interfolk' festival of 1973, which sent Hamish and Iain (separately) on their roads to fame in Germany - 'The Billies and the Sallies' (aka 'The Derry and Cumberland Boys', it seems) is credited to Hamish Imlach. For a number of reasons, I wouldn't be surprised if this was an error (the title may be another one), and wouldn't mind standing corrected. John, I presume your info is reliable?

For the two tenement songs you've mentioned see Jim McLean's song and Adam McNaughtan's song


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 07 Jun 02 - 06:51 PM

Kenny, thanks for the link to Dundee Cat! It seems to be basically the same song as The Corries' 'The Widow and the Fairy', credited to Fred Wedlock. (Should I post the lyrics for comparison?) I suppose Hamish (or maybe someone else) took and 'localised' it in time-honoured fashion. Or maybe not, for Hamish's recording is older than the Corries one I have.


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,Rhona
Date: 08 Jun 02 - 06:36 PM

"Brigton" is short for Bridgeton - a suburb in the east end of Glasgow. Dennistoun is another Glasgow east suburb, quite close to Bridgeton. Rhona


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Kenny B
Date: 08 Jun 02 - 07:45 PM

The Dennistoun Palais , the Sarry Heed with raw draught cider from the plugged barrel, black velvets and half bottles of the "White Tornado" not neccesarilly in that order, bring back memories of an enjoyable youth when the only "Folk " club in Glasgow was up a close, top floor in an attic in Montrose St. Those were the days.


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,Pasia
Date: 16 Jul 02 - 11:18 AM

They call you 'pal' don't they?


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Counterfit
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 12:37 PM

I flicked through the mass of correspondence and failed to spot the name of Ed Pickford who I've always associated with Cod Liver Oil, Orange Juice, Hairy Mary and Sand Shoes. Where is Ed now his Hewin' days are thru, thru?

Keith


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,derek
Date: 24 Oct 02 - 03:52 PM

Another very late post - did this really start in 1997?
Fascinating to read all the old songs again - must go back home to Glasgow sometime and see if people still know what the hell they're all about. Many's the time I went home on the last 37 bus from Springburn to Castlemilk.
The song about Derry and Cumbie and the later correction about the Norman Conks and San Toy ('Toi' by the 60's),reminded me of the full original version of the much more serious and provocative 'Billy Boys' from Bridgeton in the 30's and which my mixed Catholic/Protestant parents and grandparents, for their own reasons, would not discuss.
First line 'If you're feeling sad and lonley and your heart just skips a beat.....' Anyone care to finish?


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,e lyons
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 04:20 PM

in reply to query about Bricton (sic) the word should be Brigton , the actual spelling is Bridgeton on the East end of Glasgow.


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Socorro
Date: 16 Feb 03 - 08:34 PM

Oh, sorry, i thought this was a thread for people who love cod-liver oil, as i do. Really,truly love the stuff. It started when i was a child & used to sneak it from the cupboard, as did my sister (one of the few things we had in common).
I think it was mainly fascination with using an eye-dropper to swallow something; nevertheless, i still LOVE it!
Just thought you'd like to know.


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Snuffy
Date: 17 Feb 03 - 07:41 PM

Eye dropper??? I just have a swig from the bottle every morning.


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,lisa
Date: 03 Sep 04 - 11:23 AM

hiya, I am looking for the words and tune of Cod liver Oil and The Orange Juice. Can anyone help. i cannae get a hold of it and would love to have a go at singing it at the next wedding or Christmas/ New Year do.


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 03 Sep 04 - 11:34 AM

I have the words on a C/D. Will transcribe them for you and put them here over the next couple of days when I have time. As for the tune...mmmm? Where are you UK or US? Best wishes.


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,Ewan McVicar
Date: 03 Sep 04 - 01:01 PM

Well on the grounds of never late than ever, the tenenment song referred to above in 2002 was written by Duncan MacRae, and the refrain had
Oh but ah longin for ma ain close
It was nane o yer wally, jist a plain close
An ah'm nearly roon the bend, fur ma wee bit single end
Farewell tae dear auld Gorbals an ma ain folk
Now, who's going to gloss that?


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Wolfgang
Date: 03 Sep 04 - 05:02 PM

Lisa and Georgiansilver,

may I give you the advice to read the thread to which you are posting. The lyrics you are looking for, Lisa, are posted above including explanations of difficult words.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 03 Sep 04 - 07:10 PM

Wolfgang..thank you...thank you...thank you....for each of your postings. Seriously, thanks Wolfgang. Best wishes.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil PLEASE HELP!
From: GUEST,louise
Date: 18 Nov 06 - 05:44 PM

I'm not looking for the words to this song but does anyone out there in Scots music land have the chords to the sky scraper wean?

Thanks


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Nov 06 - 08:18 PM

They will be either in the appropriate thread, or even in the DT - usually found fairly easily by using the Search mechanisms.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,Jack Campin
Date: 19 Nov 06 - 07:18 AM

Adam MacNaughton (who wrote the Jeely Piece Song) always sings unaccompanied.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Nov 06 - 05:37 AM

It's in Norman Buchan's and Peter Hall.s 'The Scottish Folksinger' complete with chords - lovely book.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,qadzbork
Date: 16 Mar 07 - 03:16 PM

Re: Derry & Cumberland Boys (5 June 02!): First line of third Verse should read "The Derry Boys are devout Christians".


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 11:18 PM

Can anyone complete the lyrics for:

Take me back, take me back again,
Where sausages are square ....

Where a bottle of VP,
Costs you only 50p


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,Jim
Date: 30 May 07 - 02:46 PM

I can't believe it!

This thread has been going since 1997! THe request was for the words and CHORDS.

There are many posting about the words, many including many postings of the words of other songs.

To my memory it is a Hamish Imlach song - enve heard him sing it!

Now many years later, I'm in Oman (far from Paisley where Hamish sang it at Helen and danny Kyle's folk club) and after ages of scrolling thro' this thread the chords are not hear!

Does everyone who now play it keep it a secret?

Please the chords! Anyone out there...

Jim in Oman


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: Dickmac
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 07:34 AM

My wife and I still sing this song having learned it from Hamish's singing in the 60's and 70's.We heard Hamish singing it live a number of times and we have it on vinyl.
Like all songs of this nature there are various slight changes that still tell the same story.

In the "cludgy" verse we sing
"oot came her faither goin' tae the cludgy
walkin' along like a constipated budgie"

I don't know where that line came from but it wasn't Hamish.

At the end of each chorus we add "ah juice,juice"

The chords we use are simply Am and E7 repeated throughout and Em for the "juice juice" part.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,Mad Jock
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 08:04 AM

After the "Dundee Cat" I thought folks would want to know thelyrics of The Glesga Cat or properly " Sam The Skull" Ill post them later unless someone else beats me to it.
By the way the great Perthshire band Tarneybackle do a very good version of it complete with actions!!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: Cluin
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 01:41 PM

Chords, schmords! Do it acapella.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: Jack Campin
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 02:55 PM

"The Cod Liver Oil and the Orange Juice" is by Carl Macdougall.

I have always preferred ANYBODY's version of it to Imlach's. Are we supposed to find those wheezy monkey grunts funny? It doesn't need to be hammed up.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,Will Mathieson
Date: 19 Aug 07 - 11:38 PM

What a wonderful thread. I loved this song. I saw Hamish do this live at least a dozen times, when he and Matt McGinn were the leaders of the Glasgow Folk Music scene, heroes and role-models for aspiring would-be guitarists, singers and song-writers like Billy Connolly, my brother Alistair and myself. Hamish, usually obviously drunk, infectiously giggly with that fantastic filthy belly laugh, would ad-lib through his performances, so new details might enter the song from one gig to another.
In the nearest alley to the gig Ali and I (about 15 and 16) would quickly guzzle a bottle of Lannie (LanLiq) and get in past the ticket desk and bouncers before the full effects hit us. We bought it at the 101 - an off-sales at 101 Union Street - like Kevin & Perry bluffing we were 18 and used to this all the time. It was nauseatingly foul stuff - but every schoolboy and alkie knew from the advert on the front page of every Glasgow evening newspaper it was the cheapest way of getting drunk. We would come home to Castlemilk on the last 37 (or 31) hot, flushed, laughing and re-singing as much as we could remember of this song.
Nearly everyone present at these gigs would be intoxicated (folk over 18 could buy drinks at the intervals), we're all watching Hamish through a cloud of smoke (most of us chain-smoking) even more funky if we all arrived in wet raincoats! We all loved to roar along with any chorus. We thought we had our money's worth if we came away hoarse, blinded and stained by tears of laughter and with aching jaws. Hamish gave us our money's worth. He was the first before Billy Connolly
to use foul language and openly cock a snoot at the system, or respectability.
This song had everything: Glasgow's incestuous love of itself, a fantastic marching strum Hamish might have knocked off a Dave Van Ronk EP, locations, situations and local dialect familiar to everyone present, social comment (including a revelation of the inadequate
Sexual Education being dished out to us then even in the finest schools like mine!) and it dealt with exactly the sort of issues my brother and I were wrestling with - getting drunk cheaply so one could survive the violent dangers of the dance-hall long enough to meet an equally drunk woman, ignore her ugliness long enough to get back to her close for a shag in the dark, then get off your mark before the horrible consequences caught up with you. I reckon the funniest humour is that which allows you to laugh at your own weaknesses and follies, so you can either overcome them or at least learn to live with them, realising all the other folk laughing have got the same problems. I actually remember Billy Connolly's first gig. He was introduced as a bluegrass banjo player to play between the sets of one of Scotland's leading Folk acts of the time (MacLellan Galleries, it might have been one of the Campbells, Ian. Josh or Alex?) After his first few songs he stopped to re-tune his guitar and admitted to us he was absolutely shitting himself with stage-fright. Then he started joking about how he was subconsciously picking his nose. From then on he never looked back, since he had Hamish's eye for the detail of Glaswegian life plus the latest fashionable Hippy 'Jesus' look.
Imagine my surprise to find out, sorting through my late father's effects around the millennium, that back in the late 60s at what was probably a crucial point in both their careers, my Dad, a founding member of Glasgow's Dangerous Drugs Squad, busted Hamish for pot (marijuana, ganja, cannabis!) at a flat in Renfrew Street, near the Art School! Dad must have told him he was our idol and we had his LPs, as Hamish gave him a signed publicity photograph dedicated to us - which the Old Man never passed on or told us about! Ironic that years later Alistair and I became activists/campaigners for legalisation of marijuana, recognising amongs other things its part in the Social Revolution of the 60s, most notably through composing musicians.
If I'm not mistaken (and I could be since some of these 40 year memories are a little vague now) there was a rather strong additional verse on this song that didn't make it to the record, for obvious reasons. The last verse described the offspring.... something like "...swinging a medallion, hairy chest and hung like a stallion"?
Last word: it was commonly assumed by the 16-year-old Glasgow Cognoscenti that Mary's noticeable hirsuteness was in her nether regions. I seem to recall some other jokes in circulation about "Herry Mary" at the time.
OK, final word: Brigton is Bridgeton, the notoriously violently Protestant area of Glasgow's East End (from which issued the Brigton Billy Boys armed gang to engage in street battle with their Catholic counterparts in the Gorbals). Refs: "No Mean City" and the song "Hello, Hello, we are the Billy Boys. Hello, Hello, you'll know us by our noise", etc. In my estimation, there is no need for a bus from Brigton to Denniston. It can't be more than half a mile, a short walk for a healthy young man!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,Will Mathieson
Date: 19 Aug 07 - 11:54 PM

10 year thread!
Thanks to the developing wonder of the internet, anyone who gets this far can now hear Hamish singing the song:
http://almax.wordpress.com/2007/08/06/hamish-imlach/
Not quite so good as it was live, of course! No recording ever is.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,Martin
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 06:25 AM

What a thread!

I came on here by accident, casually looking for the chords to the famous song above.

I heard of Hamish through the BBC documentary 'Acoustic Routes', and for some reason, bought the Anthology album on a whim last week.

Loved the songs, Cod Liver Oil... being my favourite, and was just interested in trying to play it.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 06:31 AM

Found this info elsewhere...


Em C Em C
WELL OOOTA THE EAST THERE CAME A HARD MAN,
Em C Em D
WOH HO HO ALL THE WAY FROM BRIGTON.
Em C Em Bm Em C D Em
AHH HA GLORY HALLELUIA, COD LIVER OIL AND THE ORANGE JUICE


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: Menno
Date: 01 Apr 08 - 02:13 PM

Hmm... Those chords don't do it from me... I played along with my copy of Hamish' version, and came up with these. For the talking bits, alternate between [Em] and [A]. Mr. Imlach only needs one [A] but I cannae talk that fast...

Intro:
[Em] [A] [Em] [A]

Well [Em]oota the [C]East, there [G]came a [Em]hard man
Who ho [C]ho, all the way from [G]Brigton
Ah [Em]hah, glory halle[G]luia,
Cod liver oil and the [B7]orange [Em]juice.

[A] [Em] [A] [Em]

I should also mention that I stick the capo on fret 3 for the correct pitch, making it [Gm] rather than [Em].


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,etive mhor
Date: 01 Jun 08 - 12:12 PM

thanks for putting those chords up menno.

a transpo for those sans capo(!):

[gm] [c] [gm] [c]

Well [gm]oota the [d#]East, there [a#]came a [gm]hard man
Who ho [d#]ho, all the way from [a#]Brigton
Ah [gm]hah, glory halle[a#]luia,
Cod liver oil and the [d7]orange [gm]juice.

[c] [gm] [c] [gm]


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: Leadfingers
Date: 01 Jun 08 - 04:36 PM

Not bad - Eleven yars and still going !!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: Leadfingers
Date: 01 Jun 08 - 04:37 PM

And finally 100 !!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,AlanB
Date: 30 Nov 08 - 10:09 AM

Many thanks to the kind tabbers who have put the lyrics and chords to this great song on the thread.
I have been looking for the chords to this song for years, having performed it a capella on a submarine and in various pubs. Armed with the chords I now plan to add "Camp bastion, Afghanistan" to the list.
Thanks again.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jan 09 - 07:27 AM

It's Bridgeton as in Bridgton Cross which is a suburb of Glasgow.
Hope this helps

Aw the best

Martin


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,Derek, Edinburgh
Date: 04 Mar 09 - 06:35 AM

Dim memory of a Glasgow childhood in late 50's/early 60's Gorbals, mixed parentage and a Granny in Bridgeton gives me this:

If you're feeling sad and lonley and your heart just skips a beat
You'll get your f***ing head kicked in
If you walk down James's Street [road linking Bridgeton Cross aka The Toll to the Gorbals, across the River Clyde at Glasgow Green]
Take a walk into the Mermaid [famous Bridgeton pub for generations of Rangers supporters. Became the McKenzie, then the Bridgeton Bar, now derelict but still standing]
And you'll hear a famous noise
Get out you Fenian B***ards,
We're the Brigton Billy Boys
We're the Boys from the Toll
We are loyal and we're true
And if we meet some Fenians
We are ready for a do
To the cry of 'No Surrender'
You will know us by our noise
Good luck to the Glasgow Rangers
And the Brigton Billy Boys
Hello Hello we are the Billy Boys
Hello Hello you'll know us by our noise
We're up to our knees in Fenian blood
Surrender or you'll die
For we are the Brigton Billy Boys

There's another fragment I can't fit in anywhere:

For we chased the San Toi up the Gallowgate [road linking Glasgow Cross to the East end and not far from Bridgeton]
For we are the Brigton Billy Boys

This was being sung in full by Rangers suppoters until the late 1960s, but in the same way that the original Derry's Walls lyrics became doggerelised, so with this, which is reduced to the maximum offensiveness of the 'Billy Boys' chorus sung to the tune of Marching Through Georgia.

Now for a bit of balance, can someone take on these two half-remembered songs from games at Celtic Park in the 1960s, and fill in the blanks?

"And I'll stand in the van
Like a loyal Irishman
And stamp out the forces of the Crown"

and the version of 'Off to Dublin in the Green' with this lyric:

"We're off to Dublin
In the Green, in the Green
With our bayonets flashing in the sun
And the bayonets clash with the Orange sash
To the echo of the Thomson gun"


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil - 'Hairy Mary'
From: GUEST,Derek
Date: 04 Mar 09 - 07:43 AM

In Glasgow in the the 1960s a 'Hairy' had come to mean a working class female who was regarded as a likely respondent to sexual overtures.
However, I understand that the origin is after the first world war when many more females were in the workforce. 'Hairies' were those working class girls who did not wear hats. There's a reference to this somewhere in 'No Mean City', which is much derided by Glasgow folk as unrepresentative, but was still pretty accurate when I was growing up in the Grobals during the late 50s and early 60s.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Apr 09 - 12:37 PM

This is how I play it. I think it sounds like Hamish's version.
You should get the rythm from the verse.
Intro and between verses - strum Am/E x3
Verse
      Am       C          Am         C
Well oot o the east there came a hard man
Am C Am                   C
Oh oh aa' the wey frae Brigton
Am C   Am      C       Am       C             E    Am
Ah ha glory hallelujuh, cod liver oil and the orange juice

etc, etc

Hope this helps. I'm trying to learn the 37 bus, but am finding it hard to fit Nicky Tams chords into the song. Any help gratefully received !!

Cheers

BigAl


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,Joe McD
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 12:07 PM

For the benefit of anybody still looking for chords. I have collated the various versions that I can find on the web.

Going to try them tonight see which one(s) sound right or possibly scrap it and try and work it out for myself.

Em
Virgin Mary had a little baby,
       Am                   Dm
Oo-ooh, pretty little baby,
          Em                  
Oo-oo-oh, glory hallelujah!
G                     B7         Em
Glory be to the newborn King!



Am G Am G

[Am] Well, oot of the [F] east, there [Am] came a hard man,
Ohh [F] oohh, all the way from [G] Brichton
Ah [Am] hahh, glory halle [G] lujah,
[Em] Cod liver oil and the orange [Am] juice.



[Am] Oot o' the [F] east there [Am] cam' a wee hard man ,
Ah, Ha [C] a' the way frae Brigton,

Chorus
[Am] Oh, Oh, Glory Hallelujah,
Cod liver oil and the [G] orange juice,


Em C Em C
WELL OOOTA THE EAST THERE CAME A HARD MAN,
Em C Em D
WOH HO HO ALL THE WAY FROM BRIGTON.
Em C Em Bm Em C D Em
AHH HA GLORY HALLELUIA, COD LIVER OIL AND THE ORANGE JUICE

Intro and between verses - strum Am/E x3
Verse
      Am       C          Am         C
Well oot o the east there came a hard man
Am C Am                   C
Oh oh aa' the wey frae Brigton
Am C   Am      C       Am       C             E    Am
Ah ha glory hallelujuh, cod liver oil and the orange juice


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: irishenglish
Date: 18 Jan 11 - 05:20 PM

For completist sake-Great Big Sea did a version of this on their album The Hard And The Easy, I don't remember who they may have attributed it to off the top of my head.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 01:55 AM

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/greatbigsea/codliveroil.html

"Cod Liver Oil"

I'm a young married man and I'm tired of life
Ten years I've been wed to a pale sickly wife,
She's nothing to do only sit there and cry
Praying and praying to God she would die.
A friend of my own came to see me one day
He told me my wife she was pining away
He afterwards told me that she would get strong
If I get a bottle from dear Dr John.

Oh doctor, oh doctor, oh dear Dr John
Your cod liver oil is so pure and so strong
I'm afraid of my life, I'll go down in the soil
If me wife don't stop drinking your cod liver oil.

I bought her a bottle, well just for to try
And the way that she drank it you'd think she might die
I bought her another, it vanished the same
And then she got cod liver oil on the brain.
I bought her another, she drank it no doubt,
And then she began to get terrible stout,
And when she got stout well of course she got strong
And I became jealous of dear Dr John.

Oh doctor, oh doctor, oh dear Dr John
Your cod liver oil is so pure and so strong
I'm afraid of my life, I'll go down in the soil
If me wife don't stop drinking your cod liver oil.

Me house it resembles a great doctor's shop
Its covered in bottles from bottom to top
Well early the morning the kettle does boil
You would swear it was singing of cod liver oil.

Oh doctor, oh doctor, oh dear Dr John
Your cod liver oil is so pure and so strong
I'm afraid of my life, I'll go down in the soil
If me wife don't stop drinking
Oh doctor, oh doctor, oh dear Dr John
Your cod liver oil is so pure and so strong
I'm afraid of my life, I'll go down in the soil
If me wife don't stop drinking your cod liver oil.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: Jim McLean
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 06:07 AM

Two different songs, obviously.

"Cod Liver Oil" is a song about a traditional medicinal drink for many Newfoundlanders. Cod liver oil in the traditional way of manufacture was sun cured and served in bottles in its raw form. The song was written by Johnny Burke (1851-1930), a balladeer from St. John's, Newfoundland. It has been recorded by the Irish band The Dubliners and by Newfoundland folk rock Band Great Big Sea on their album The Hard and the Easy.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 19 Jan 11 - 01:08 PM

'Sahara an ra camules' is the pronounciation I use - -!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,Iain Wallace
Date: 22 May 12 - 05:40 PM

As this thread has a long way to go before it gets its pension I'll add one obscure fact.

In "VP and cider" the VP was indeed a cheap fortified wine. VP stands for "Vine Products" and was produced from imported grape juice concentrate. It was made in concrete tanks at Kingston on Thames, and could therefore call itself "British Wine".


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,Phil Racher
Date: 03 Oct 17 - 06:01 PM

Some of the large tanks at Vine Products and Whiteways Ltd were concrete but many were traditional steel banded wood made and maintained by the onsite coopers Sid and Fred Arun.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 04 Oct 17 - 06:47 PM

Close to the shipyards in Greenock there were pubs that used to have products like VP wine, Lanliqu (? no idea how to spell that!!) and the like on the gantry!!!
I have also heard tell that when the whistle blew for the end of shift and men poured into the various pubs, there were trays and trays of drinks ready-poured - a
bit like when you go to a wedding or funeral these days, but multiplied!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 04 Oct 17 - 06:48 PM

was El Dorado another of those type of drinks?


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Subject: Lyr Add: TRAVELLING DOCTOR?S SHOP
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Oct 17 - 07:04 PM

Wonder if you know this medical song

Travelling Doctor?s Shop
John Connell
Miltown Malbay
Recorded in Marrinan's Bar, Miltown Malbay August 1975
Carroll Mackenzie Collection

I?ll tell you of a pal of mine as cute a sort of saint,
Who always thought he had a sort of serious complaint.
Shivers and shakes and various aches and likewise, dippedye dal,
I neves saw such a man before for taking chemical

She wore the belt, whenever he felt, a pain in her did-il-dy push.
A comical vest to save her chest the common-a or the cush
She drank quinine and spirits and wine, to cure the didy pop
Until she became- a what's the name - the travelling doctor's shop

She used to wear a nose machine whenever she went to bed;
She nailed her will to the window-sill in case they'd find her dead.
She drank a blend of treacle purify her blood,
Oh she never reached the bed in case perished in the mud.

And when she called the dipped di dal, the poor old lad was dead
Off they went, the doctor was sent for medicine to be taken
The servant girl, she couldn?t spell, for she being in the boozelem,
Shut her up and get her the stuff and now she?s in Jerusalem

She wore the belt, whenever she felt, a pain in her did-il-dy push.
A comical vest to save her chest the common-a or the cush
She drank quinine and spirits and wine, to cure the dipidy pop
Oh, ?til she became- a what's the name - the travelling doctor's shop

Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: GUEST,Mrrzy
Date: 06 Oct 17 - 11:24 PM

I had this by Oscar Brand, not the OJ one, the sickly wife one.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 11 Oct 17 - 07:08 PM

In reply to Gallus Moll, Adam McNaughtan does mention "Eldo" in his "Erchie Cathcairt" song!


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