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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil From: Jon Bartlett Date: 05 Jun 02 - 04:42 AM My old mate Adrian Duncan Irish'd the words here 30 years ago by replacing Derry and Cumberland with "Falls Road and Sandy Row", Parkheid with "Dublin", and Jock Stein's with "Devlin's", with the last verse running "So don't wear a orange scarf in Bogside/Or a green scarf when Paisley ye meet/Unless you're a Joe Flamin' Frazier/Or hellofa quick on your feet." Hamish did the excellent "Men of Knoydart" too, and my note in my old songbook says it was by Hamish Henderson. Is this so? (sorry for the thread creep). |
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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil From: GUEST,Davetnova Date: 05 Jun 02 - 08:33 AM If memory serves I think the second line was - the Fleet, an' the Tong an' the Toi. They were well known Glasgow gangs of the fifties (and later). |
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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil From: EBarnacle1 Date: 05 Jun 02 - 01:16 PM As a side note, thre is a tale going the rounds of the cook on a fishing schooner. It is clearly a variation on Moose Turd Pie. [Okay, I wrote it] |
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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil From: Susanne (skw) Date: 05 Jun 02 - 03:58 PM Yorkshire Tony, this is THE JEELIE PIECE SONG (SKYSCRAPER WEAN). (Hope it works!) |
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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil From: Susanne (skw) Date: 05 Jun 02 - 04:01 PM Oops - not quite, but it'll do. Teribus, thanks for posting this. I thought I recognised a line quoted - it turns up on one of Hamish's albums as 'The Billies and the Sallies'. |
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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil From: MMario Date: 05 Jun 02 - 04:08 PM Barnacle - as in Cook on a Bark? |
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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil From: EBarnacle1 Date: 05 Jun 02 - 04:18 PM Not quite, as with most truly folk themes, it came up (sorry I couldna resist) spontaneously. When I was writing my column, I found that almost every sea story I tried to originate had a cousin already. |
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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil From: GUEST,Yorkshire Tony Date: 05 Jun 02 - 08:36 PM Thanks Teribus and Suzanne. Now does anyone have chords for Cod Liver Oil and Orange Juice? |
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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil From: GUEST,ozmacca Date: 05 Jun 02 - 08:52 PM OK, so that's the Cod Liver Ile, The Jeely Piece, The 37 bus and The Body pretty well taken care of. Damn fine value here on the Mudcat Forum... Four for the price of one! Now a new challenge... There was one about the trials and tribulations of living in a single end up a close (a one room flat in a Glasgow tenement building for the uninformed. No idea who by or even when, just a vague memory, perhaps from the days of the One O'Clock Gang STV show (Francie & Josie?)..... Anybody? It might have been from the same stable as that one about "Back hame in dear auld Gorbals/In ma ain close......." to the same tune as the Kenneth McKellar/Moira Anderson type song "My Own Folk" |
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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil From: GUEST,Jim I Date: 06 Jun 02 - 06:04 PM Francie and Josie!! That's going back a bit. I remember enjoying them from childbirth but I can't remember that one. I think my mother has some Rikki Fulton videos, I'll ask her to have a look just in case. As to single ends there is always "The Dundee Ghost"! and the other one about top floor tenement flats which I think is called "The Dundee Cat". |
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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil From: GUEST,ozmacca Date: 06 Jun 02 - 06:37 PM Hullawrerr JimI. Sarerrterris innit? Dundee Ghost is one I occassionally regurgitate if the wind's in the right direction, but the Cat is a new one on me..... Ony chance ora wurrdsen? |
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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil From: MMario Date: 06 Jun 02 - 08:13 PM That the one that ends "you'll regret the night you took me to the vet"? |
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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil From: GUEST,ozmacca Date: 06 Jun 02 - 08:40 PM Hope not, MMario. I've got that in the repertoire already and a cat living in a single end up a close in Dundee sounds like it could be an interesting addition.... |
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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil From: GUEST,Dita (at work) Date: 06 Jun 02 - 09:13 PM The Derry and Cumberland boys was written by Adam McNaughtan, as was the Jeely Peice song. Hamish Henderson was indeed the composer of Men of Knoydart, which appeared on Hamish's first album along with Cod liver oil, Derry and Cumberland boys and of course, Black is the Colour. The cover of this one was predominatly white with a small b&w photo of Hamish. The 37 Bus and the police song (?the beat song), came from Both sides of........(Another folkie had released an album called Another side of....).Both albums were on the Xtra label. Dundee Ghost by Matt McGinn. Could the tenement song be either Adam McNaughtan's - Where is the Glasgow, and/or the reply by Jim McLean - The Glasgow that I used to Know. Ian Mac used to sing them one after the other. Hope this helps, love, john. |
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Subject: Chords Add: COD LIVER OIL & THE ORANGE JUICE From: Kenny B (inactive) Date: 07 Jun 02 - 04:59 PM As Requested - Chords for COD LIVER OIL & THE ORANGE JUICE. Word by Carl McDougal & Ron Clark Tune Virgin Mary Had a Little Baby Source "One Singer One Song" Ewen McVicar ASB Hamish Imlach
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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil From: Kenny B (inactive) Date: 07 Jun 02 - 05:34 PM Ozmacca - its in the DT Dundee Cat |
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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil From: Susanne (skw) Date: 07 Jun 02 - 06:39 PM On the only recording I have - which is a compilation from the German 'Interfolk' festival of 1973, which sent Hamish and Iain (separately) on their roads to fame in Germany - 'The Billies and the Sallies' (aka 'The Derry and Cumberland Boys', it seems) is credited to Hamish Imlach. For a number of reasons, I wouldn't be surprised if this was an error (the title may be another one), and wouldn't mind standing corrected. John, I presume your info is reliable? For the two tenement songs you've mentioned see Jim McLean's song and Adam McNaughtan's song |
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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil From: Susanne (skw) Date: 07 Jun 02 - 06:51 PM Kenny, thanks for the link to Dundee Cat! It seems to be basically the same song as The Corries' 'The Widow and the Fairy', credited to Fred Wedlock. (Should I post the lyrics for comparison?) I suppose Hamish (or maybe someone else) took and 'localised' it in time-honoured fashion. Or maybe not, for Hamish's recording is older than the Corries one I have. |
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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil From: GUEST,Rhona Date: 08 Jun 02 - 06:36 PM "Brigton" is short for Bridgeton - a suburb in the east end of Glasgow. Dennistoun is another Glasgow east suburb, quite close to Bridgeton. Rhona |
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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil From: Kenny B (inactive) Date: 08 Jun 02 - 07:45 PM The Dennistoun Palais , the Sarry Heed with raw draught cider from the plugged barrel, black velvets and half bottles of the "White Tornado" not neccesarilly in that order, bring back memories of an enjoyable youth when the only "Folk " club in Glasgow was up a close, top floor in an attic in Montrose St. Those were the days. |
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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil From: GUEST,Pasia Date: 16 Jul 02 - 11:18 AM They call you 'pal' don't they? |
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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil From: Counterfit Date: 18 Jul 02 - 12:37 PM I flicked through the mass of correspondence and failed to spot the name of Ed Pickford who I've always associated with Cod Liver Oil, Orange Juice, Hairy Mary and Sand Shoes. Where is Ed now his Hewin' days are thru, thru? Keith |
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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil From: GUEST,derek Date: 24 Oct 02 - 03:52 PM Another very late post - did this really start in 1997? Fascinating to read all the old songs again - must go back home to Glasgow sometime and see if people still know what the hell they're all about. Many's the time I went home on the last 37 bus from Springburn to Castlemilk. The song about Derry and Cumbie and the later correction about the Norman Conks and San Toy ('Toi' by the 60's),reminded me of the full original version of the much more serious and provocative 'Billy Boys' from Bridgeton in the 30's and which my mixed Catholic/Protestant parents and grandparents, for their own reasons, would not discuss. First line 'If you're feeling sad and lonley and your heart just skips a beat.....' Anyone care to finish? |
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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil From: GUEST,e lyons Date: 16 Feb 03 - 04:20 PM in reply to query about Bricton (sic) the word should be Brigton , the actual spelling is Bridgeton on the East end of Glasgow. |
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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil From: Socorro Date: 16 Feb 03 - 08:34 PM Oh, sorry, i thought this was a thread for people who love cod-liver oil, as i do. Really,truly love the stuff. It started when i was a child & used to sneak it from the cupboard, as did my sister (one of the few things we had in common). I think it was mainly fascination with using an eye-dropper to swallow something; nevertheless, i still LOVE it! Just thought you'd like to know. |
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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil From: Snuffy Date: 17 Feb 03 - 07:41 PM Eye dropper??? I just have a swig from the bottle every morning. |
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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil From: GUEST,lisa Date: 03 Sep 04 - 11:23 AM hiya, I am looking for the words and tune of Cod liver Oil and The Orange Juice. Can anyone help. i cannae get a hold of it and would love to have a go at singing it at the next wedding or Christmas/ New Year do. |
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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil From: Georgiansilver Date: 03 Sep 04 - 11:34 AM I have the words on a C/D. Will transcribe them for you and put them here over the next couple of days when I have time. As for the tune...mmmm? Where are you UK or US? Best wishes. |
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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil From: GUEST,Ewan McVicar Date: 03 Sep 04 - 01:01 PM Well on the grounds of never late than ever, the tenenment song referred to above in 2002 was written by Duncan MacRae, and the refrain had Oh but ah longin for ma ain close It was nane o yer wally, jist a plain close An ah'm nearly roon the bend, fur ma wee bit single end Farewell tae dear auld Gorbals an ma ain folk Now, who's going to gloss that? |
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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil From: Wolfgang Date: 03 Sep 04 - 05:02 PM Lisa and Georgiansilver, may I give you the advice to read the thread to which you are posting. The lyrics you are looking for, Lisa, are posted above including explanations of difficult words. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: Cod Liver Oil From: Georgiansilver Date: 03 Sep 04 - 07:10 PM Wolfgang..thank you...thank you...thank you....for each of your postings. Seriously, thanks Wolfgang. Best wishes. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil PLEASE HELP! From: GUEST,louise Date: 18 Nov 06 - 05:44 PM I'm not looking for the words to this song but does anyone out there in Scots music land have the chords to the sky scraper wean? Thanks |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 18 Nov 06 - 08:18 PM They will be either in the appropriate thread, or even in the DT - usually found fairly easily by using the Search mechanisms. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil From: GUEST,Jack Campin Date: 19 Nov 06 - 07:18 AM Adam McNaughtan (who wrote the Jeely Piece Song) always sings unaccompanied. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil From: GUEST Date: 20 Nov 06 - 05:37 AM It's in Norman Buchan's and Peter Hall.s 'The Scottish Folksinger' complete with chords - lovely book. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil From: GUEST,qadzbork Date: 16 Mar 07 - 03:16 PM Re: Derry & Cumberland Boys (5 June 02!): First line of third Verse should read "The Derry Boys are devout Christians". |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil From: GUEST Date: 18 Mar 07 - 11:18 PM Can anyone complete the lyrics for: Take me back, take me back again, Where sausages are square .... Where a bottle of VP, Costs you only 50p |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil From: GUEST,Jim Date: 30 May 07 - 02:46 PM I can't believe it! This thread has been going since 1997! THe request was for the words and CHORDS. There are many posting about the words, many including many postings of the words of other songs. To my memory it is a Hamish Imlach song - enve heard him sing it! Now many years later, I'm in Oman (far from Paisley where Hamish sang it at Helen and danny Kyle's folk club) and after ages of scrolling thro' this thread the chords are not hear! Does everyone who now play it keep it a secret? Please the chords! Anyone out there... Jim in Oman |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil From: Dickmac Date: 03 Jun 07 - 07:34 AM My wife and I still sing this song having learned it from Hamish's singing in the 60's and 70's.We heard Hamish singing it live a number of times and we have it on vinyl. Like all songs of this nature there are various slight changes that still tell the same story. In the "cludgy" verse we sing "oot came her faither goin' tae the cludgy walkin' along like a constipated budgie" I don't know where that line came from but it wasn't Hamish. At the end of each chorus we add "ah juice,juice" The chords we use are simply Am and E7 repeated throughout and Em for the "juice juice" part. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil From: GUEST,Mad Jock Date: 03 Jun 07 - 08:04 AM After the "Dundee Cat" I thought folks would want to know thelyrics of The Glesga Cat or properly " Sam The Skull" Ill post them later unless someone else beats me to it. By the way the great Perthshire band Tarneybackle do a very good version of it complete with actions!! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil From: Cluin Date: 03 Aug 07 - 01:41 PM Chords, schmords! Do it acapella. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil From: Jack Campin Date: 03 Aug 07 - 02:55 PM "The Cod Liver Oil and the Orange Juice" is by Carl Macdougall. I have always preferred ANYBODY's version of it to Imlach's. Are we supposed to find those wheezy monkey grunts funny? It doesn't need to be hammed up. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil From: GUEST,Will Mathieson Date: 19 Aug 07 - 11:38 PM What a wonderful thread. I loved this song. I saw Hamish do this live at least a dozen times, when he and Matt McGinn were the leaders of the Glasgow Folk Music scene, heroes and role-models for aspiring would-be guitarists, singers and song-writers like Billy Connolly, my brother Alistair and myself. Hamish, usually obviously drunk, infectiously giggly with that fantastic filthy belly laugh, would ad-lib through his performances, so new details might enter the song from one gig to another. In the nearest alley to the gig Ali and I (about 15 and 16) would quickly guzzle a bottle of Lannie (LanLiq) and get in past the ticket desk and bouncers before the full effects hit us. We bought it at the 101 - an off-sales at 101 Union Street - like Kevin & Perry bluffing we were 18 and used to this all the time. It was nauseatingly foul stuff - but every schoolboy and alkie knew from the advert on the front page of every Glasgow evening newspaper it was the cheapest way of getting drunk. We would come home to Castlemilk on the last 37 (or 31) hot, flushed, laughing and re-singing as much as we could remember of this song. Nearly everyone present at these gigs would be intoxicated (folk over 18 could buy drinks at the intervals), we're all watching Hamish through a cloud of smoke (most of us chain-smoking) even more funky if we all arrived in wet raincoats! We all loved to roar along with any chorus. We thought we had our money's worth if we came away hoarse, blinded and stained by tears of laughter and with aching jaws. Hamish gave us our money's worth. He was the first before Billy Connolly to use foul language and openly cock a snoot at the system, or respectability. This song had everything: Glasgow's incestuous love of itself, a fantastic marching strum Hamish might have knocked off a Dave Van Ronk EP, locations, situations and local dialect familiar to everyone present, social comment (including a revelation of the inadequate Sexual Education being dished out to us then even in the finest schools like mine!) and it dealt with exactly the sort of issues my brother and I were wrestling with - getting drunk cheaply so one could survive the violent dangers of the dance-hall long enough to meet an equally drunk woman, ignore her ugliness long enough to get back to her close for a shag in the dark, then get off your mark before the horrible consequences caught up with you. I reckon the funniest humour is that which allows you to laugh at your own weaknesses and follies, so you can either overcome them or at least learn to live with them, realising all the other folk laughing have got the same problems. I actually remember Billy Connolly's first gig. He was introduced as a bluegrass banjo player to play between the sets of one of Scotland's leading Folk acts of the time (MacLellan Galleries, it might have been one of the Campbells, Ian. Josh or Alex?) After his first few songs he stopped to re-tune his guitar and admitted to us he was absolutely shitting himself with stage-fright. Then he started joking about how he was subconsciously picking his nose. From then on he never looked back, since he had Hamish's eye for the detail of Glaswegian life plus the latest fashionable Hippy 'Jesus' look. Imagine my surprise to find out, sorting through my late father's effects around the millennium, that back in the late 60s at what was probably a crucial point in both their careers, my Dad, a founding member of Glasgow's Dangerous Drugs Squad, busted Hamish for pot (marijuana, ganja, cannabis!) at a flat in Renfrew Street, near the Art School! Dad must have told him he was our idol and we had his LPs, as Hamish gave him a signed publicity photograph dedicated to us - which the Old Man never passed on or told us about! Ironic that years later Alistair and I became activists/campaigners for legalisation of marijuana, recognising amongs other things its part in the Social Revolution of the 60s, most notably through composing musicians. If I'm not mistaken (and I could be since some of these 40 year memories are a little vague now) there was a rather strong additional verse on this song that didn't make it to the record, for obvious reasons. The last verse described the offspring.... something like "...swinging a medallion, hairy chest and hung like a stallion"? Last word: it was commonly assumed by the 16-year-old Glasgow Cognoscenti that Mary's noticeable hirsuteness was in her nether regions. I seem to recall some other jokes in circulation about "Herry Mary" at the time. OK, final word: Brigton is Bridgeton, the notoriously violently Protestant area of Glasgow's East End (from which issued the Brigton Billy Boys armed gang to engage in street battle with their Catholic counterparts in the Gorbals). Refs: "No Mean City" and the song "Hello, Hello, we are the Billy Boys. Hello, Hello, you'll know us by our noise", etc. In my estimation, there is no need for a bus from Brigton to Denniston. It can't be more than half a mile, a short walk for a healthy young man! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil From: GUEST,Will Mathieson Date: 19 Aug 07 - 11:54 PM 10 year thread! Thanks to the developing wonder of the internet, anyone who gets this far can now hear Hamish singing the song: http://almax.wordpress.com/2007/08/06/hamish-imlach/ Not quite so good as it was live, of course! No recording ever is. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil From: GUEST,Martin Date: 14 Sep 07 - 06:25 AM What a thread! I came on here by accident, casually looking for the chords to the famous song above. I heard of Hamish through the BBC documentary 'Acoustic Routes', and for some reason, bought the Anthology album on a whim last week. Loved the songs, Cod Liver Oil... being my favourite, and was just interested in trying to play it. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil From: GUEST Date: 14 Sep 07 - 06:31 AM Found this info elsewhere... Em C Em C WELL OOOTA THE EAST THERE CAME A HARD MAN, Em C Em D WOH HO HO ALL THE WAY FROM BRIGTON. Em C Em Bm Em C D Em AHH HA GLORY HALLELUIA, COD LIVER OIL AND THE ORANGE JUICE |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil From: Menno Date: 01 Apr 08 - 02:13 PM Hmm... Those chords don't do it from me... I played along with my copy of Hamish' version, and came up with these. For the talking bits, alternate between [Em] and [A]. Mr. Imlach only needs one [A] but I cannae talk that fast... Intro: [Em] [A] [Em] [A] Well [Em]oota the [C]East, there [G]came a [Em]hard man Who ho [C]ho, all the way from [G]Brigton Ah [Em]hah, glory halle[G]luia, Cod liver oil and the [B7]orange [Em]juice. [A] [Em] [A] [Em] I should also mention that I stick the capo on fret 3 for the correct pitch, making it [Gm] rather than [Em]. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil From: GUEST,etive mhor Date: 01 Jun 08 - 12:12 PM thanks for putting those chords up menno. a transpo for those sans capo(!): [gm] [c] [gm] [c] Well [gm]oota the [d#]East, there [a#]came a [gm]hard man Who ho [d#]ho, all the way from [a#]Brigton Ah [gm]hah, glory halle[a#]luia, Cod liver oil and the [d7]orange [gm]juice. [c] [gm] [c] [gm] |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil From: Leadfingers Date: 01 Jun 08 - 04:36 PM Not bad - Eleven yars and still going !! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cod Liver Oil From: Leadfingers Date: 01 Jun 08 - 04:37 PM And finally 100 !! |
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