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Lyr Req: Saturday Night in Toledo Ohio (R Sparks)

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Subject: Toledo Ohio
From: clansfolk
Date: 21 May 00 - 07:02 PM

Greetings,

I obtained from John Denver on one of his tours of the UK the following song however I'm not sure who wrote it - anyone help.

Saturday night in Toledo Ohio is like being nowhere at all
All through the day how the hours rush by,
You sit in the park and you watch the grass die

But after the sunset the dusk and the twilight when shadows of night start to fall
They roll back the sidewalks precisely at ten
And people who live there are not seen a--gain

Just two lonely truckers from Carney Nebraska and a salesman from places unknown (ces unknown)
All huddle together in down-town Toledo, to spend their big night all alone

You ask how I know of Toledo Ohio, well I spent a week there one day
They've got entertainment to dazzle your eyes,
Go visit the bakery and watch the buns rise

But let's not forget that the folks of Toledo unselfishly gave us the scale
No springs, honest weight, that's the promise they made,
So smile and be thankful next time you get weighed {waid!)

And wive and wet wive, let this be our motto, let's let the sleeping dogs lie (ping dogs lie)
And here's to the dogs of Toledo Ohio, Ladies we bid you goodbye.


A great little song and not too much chance of upsetting anyone over here!!!

If there's any errors in the words/spelling etc.. please correct!

Take care

Pete


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Toledo Ohio
From: clansfolk
Date: 21 May 00 - 07:03 PM

ooooops double threaded sorry

Pete


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Toledo Ohio
From: Chicky
Date: 21 May 00 - 08:34 PM

Sorry Pete, can't help with this one, but there IS another Toledo, Ohio song on the Elvis Costello/Burt Bacarach album that was released last year!

Cheers - Chicky


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Toledo Ohio
From: Callie
Date: 21 May 00 - 09:38 PM

Damn Chicky. You beat me to it. Gotta be quick, eh?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Toledo Ohio
From: Chocolate Pi
Date: 21 May 00 - 09:52 PM

ooh, I've seen the first few lines in the fortune file on login to one of the big campus servers.
...
And after a search (fortune -m "Toledo" and grep fortune.dat "Toledo"), I find it circularly attributed to John Denver.
sigh.


Chocolate Pi (writing a final paper for biology class)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Toledo Ohio
From: Jeri
Date: 21 May 00 - 10:03 PM

I heard him sing it a couple of times, and always believed he wrote it.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Toledo Ohio
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 May 00 - 10:51 PM

Hi Pete...........Brief side note from an Ohioan............Toledo IS a boring ass place although the town does have its charms and has undergone several facelifts in the past 20 years or so. Still its main claims to fame are as the home of Toledo Scale Corp. and as the home of Cpl. Klinger (Jamie Farr) on M*A*S*H. But I don't think the folks there had much of a sense of humor about this song.

About 30 years ago, when this song first came out, there was a local talk show out of Cincinnati that was shown on sister stations in Dayton, Columbus, Indianapolis, and Toledo. It was on WLW-TV and was the "Ruth Lyon's 50-50 Club." Her "second banana" took over after age an illness took its toll, a guy named Bob Braun. One of Braun's regulars was pseudo-folksinger named Rob Ryder and one day he sang "Toledo Ohio." Everybody thought it was a laugh except the Toledo audience who went NUTS!!! They boycotted WLW and hired attorneys to sue everyone in sight and it took a LOT of talking and apologizing to cool them off. The "50-50 Club" did a 2 week broadcast from Toledo icluding tours and local guests. Rob Ryder, who had been quite popular and a real fixture on the show, just kinda' slowly disappeared, never to be heard from again.

Spaw


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Subject: Lyr Add: SATURDAY NIGHT IN TOLEDO, OHIO^^
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 May 00 - 02:54 AM

There's a little clip of the song at CDNOW that says the song was by "Sparks;" and ASCAP confirmed it was by Randy Sparks, of the New Christy Minstrels.
I always thought the song was by Tom Paxton, but I guess I was wrong.
-Joe Offer-
Here's another transcription of the song

SATURDAY NIGHT IN TOLEDO, OHIO
(Randy Sparks)

Saturday night in Toledo Ohio
Is like being nowhere at all
All through the day, how the hours rush by
You sit in the park, and you watch the grass die

Oh, but after the sunset, the dusk and the twilight
When shadows of night start to fall
They roll back the sidewalks precisely at ten
And the people who live there are not seen again.

Just two lonely truckers from Great Falls, Montana
And a salesman from places unknown
All huddle together in downtown Toledo
To spend their big night all alone

You ask how I know of Toledo, Ohio,
Well, I spent a week there, one day
They've got entertainment to dazzle your eyes
Go visit the bakery and watch the buns rise

Oh, but let's not forget that the folks of Toledo
Unselfishly gave us the scale
"No springs, honest weight."
That's the promise they made
So smile and be thankful next time you get weighed

And live and let live
Let that be our motto
Let's let the sleeping dogs lie

And here's to the dogs of Toledo, Ohio
Ladies, we bid you goodbye. ^^
I no longer have the tape, so I can't tell for sure if the "live and let live" phrase is correct.
Another funny Denver recording IS a Paxton song, "Forest Lawn."


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Toledo Ohio
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 22 May 00 - 04:32 AM

Spaw, I'll have you know I spent some good time in Toledo, Ohio back in the middle fifties. In fact, my first regular paid gig was weekends at the Park Lane Hotel cocktail lounge there, arranged for me by Mitch Woodbury, Entertainment Editor of the Toledo Blade at that time. I had done a season of summer stock there with the Mad Anthony Players, using the auditorium at the University of Toledo. Bounced back to Toledo later on my thumb, guitar and sleeping bag on my back, dead broke, to take Mitch up on an offer he had made when he heard me singing with a bunch of the theater kids at a party. He even lent me the money to buy a clean shirt! I sang at the Park Lane for about six months, taught guitar to a handful of neat young women (and one talented dentist), and complained constantly because there was not a single decent bookstore in the city (that I could find). Finally quit the lounge gig to hitch-hike to a party in Richmond, Virginia, where I was told I would have a chance to meet Paul Clayton. I did, and we went off song collecting in the Blue Ridge. Been down that road ever since. So Toledo was kind to me, and I still enjoy the Randy Sparks song!

Sandy


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Toledo Ohio
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 May 00 - 08:08 AM

Well now we have something else to add to the good things of Toledo Sandy!!!

And I always loved "Forest Lawn." Some really great lines......"My likeness cast in brass, will stand in plastic grass...While hidden weights and strings nod my head to the mourners filing past." I always thought that would be funnier than hell.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Toledo Ohio
From: Rex
Date: 22 May 00 - 09:35 AM

The guy that wrote that was Randy Sparks. It seems like he wrote some other gems worthy of a guffaw or two but I can't recall them now. Having grown up in the corn fields and bean fields south of Toledo I played the song frequently. On the banjo of course.

Rex


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Subject: Forest Lawn
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 May 00 - 02:39 PM

Paxton's FOREST LAWN (click) is in the database. I believe there are five Forest Lawn cemeteries in the Los Angeles area, although I've only been to the main one. They don't call it the "Disneyland of the Dead" for nothin'. If you visit Los Angeles, you really ought to make a stop at Forest Lawn. If you like, you can even have your wedding there. And of course they have a Website - click here.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Toledo Ohio
From: catspaw49
Date: 22 May 00 - 04:03 PM

Ya' know Joe, I think every city has a "Forest Lawn." The Columbus version has all flush mounted headstones which is why I always found that line so funny...........little brass head bobbing...the "visual" cracks me up.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Toledo Ohio
From: clansfolk
Date: 23 May 00 - 01:56 PM

Many thanks,

Yes we already do Forest Lawn - Proud to be an Oakie et al..... Great songs.

re. live and let live - wive and wet wive (to make previous line funny) - smile and be thankful each time you get weighed (waid????) - surely must have been in the original!!!!

I thought it might have been from the pen of Tom Lehrer very similar style and nice chord runs....

great now I can atribute the song (always nice to do - even if he doesn't sing any of mine!!!)

Take care

Pete


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Toledo Ohio
From: GUEST,Rex
Date: 24 May 00 - 02:01 AM

Yep, Spaw. I saw it after I posted. I guess I broke my cookie too somehow. At least my name isn't showing up right. Well I'll fix it later. Thanks for the info.

Rex


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Toledo Ohio
From: GUEST,seanchai@escape.ca
Date: 20 Sep 03 - 08:42 PM

I know (of) Randy Sparks from an lp I have called, "Riverboat Days" by 'The Back Street Majority'. Judging by the singers' outfits, it's a late 60s-early 70s album.

Some of the songs attributed to, or arranged by, Sparks:
Same Ol' Huckleberry Finn
Down the Ohio
The Great Sultana
Kentucky Lullaby
Were You There?
This Ol' Riverboat
Cottonblossom #1
Riverboat Days
Ol' Bailey

I always thought Randy Sparks ran the farm team for the New Christy Minstrals.

Jean in Winnipeg


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Toledo Ohio
From: GUEST,Cranky Yankee
Date: 21 Sep 03 - 12:49 PM

Saturday night in Toledo Ohio is like being no place at all
They roll up the sidewalks precicely at ten
And the people who live there are not seen again

Save two lonely truckers from Great Falls Montana and a salesman from places unknown, 'ces unknown
All huddled together in downtown Toledo to spend the evening alone.
                              II
You ask me if I know Toledo Montana, I spent a week there one night
They have entertainment that will dazzle your eyes
You can sit in the bakery and watch the buns rise

So you sing the chorus and I'll sing the eulogy
And once sand for all get it right, get it right
Here's to the town of Toledo Ohio that dies every Saturday night
                      III
There once was a steamship that sank on Lake Erie
Not far from Toledo, they say
And one poor old sailor who washed up in town
told me quite frankly, he'd rather been drowned
(forgot the next 16 bars)
                        IV
But let us remember the folks from Toledo who unselfishly gave us the scales
"No springs, honest weight" that's the promise they made
So smile and be thankfull next time you get weighed."
"WIVE AND WET WIVE"    (live and let live)
let that be our motto and always let sleeping dogs, sleeping dog lie
Here's to the dogs of Toledo Ohio, "Ladies, we bid you goodbye"


My take on this is that it was written by a guy who just "struck out" in his quest for female companionship" and wrote the song in self defence an effort to justify his dreadful failure. I equate this with a batter who has just struck out ridiculing the pitcher who struck him out.

(in the U.K. the batsman who was just put out ridiculing the bowler who took his wicket")

I do think John Denver wrote and prformed this. I could be wrong.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Toledo Ohio
From: Zany Mouse
Date: 21 Sep 03 - 06:31 PM

Crazy Yankee. Although John Denver made this song semi-famous (to JD fans, like myself anyway) it certainly was written by Randy Sparks. Great song writer and Denver's style suits his songs wonderfully. A blissful musical partnership!

ZM


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Subject: Lyr Add: Toledo (Randy Sparks)
From: Jason Xion Wang
Date: 13 Aug 09 - 04:36 AM

These original lyrics are written by Randy Sparks, the lead singer of New Christy Mintrels, but he had never recorded it. This song was only sung by John Denver.

Saturday Night In Toledo Ohio
(Randy Sparks)

Saturday night in Toledo Ohio
Is like being nowhere at all
All through the day, how the hours rush by
You sit in the park, and you watch the grass die

Oh, but after the sunset, the dusk and the twilight
When shadows of night start to fall
They roll back the sidewalks precisely at ten
And the people who live there are not seen again

Just two lonely truckers from Great Falls, Montana (May that be "Kearney, Nebraska" in the John Denver recordings after 1985, but surely not "Carney, Nebraska")
And a salesman from places unknown ('ces unknown)
All huddle together in downtown Toledo
To spend their big night all alone

You ask how I know of Toledo, Ohio
Well, I spent a week there one day
They've got entertainment to dazzle your eyes
Go visit the bakery and watch the buns rise

So you bring the flowers, I'll give the eulogy
We'll, once and for all, do it right (do it right)
We'll all shed a tear for Toledo, Ohio
It dies every Saturday Night

There once was a ship that went down on Lake Erie
Not far from Toledo one day
I met one poor sailor who'd floated to town
He told me quite frankly he'd rather have drowned

Compared to the splendor of lovely Toledo
Great standards of beauty grow pale ('ty grow pale)
The voice of Caruso emerges a grunt
Elizabeth Taylor become Allen Funt

Oh, but let's not forget that the folks of Toledo
Unselfishly gave us the scale
"No springs, honest weight", that's the promise they made
So smile and be thankful next time you get weighed

And live and let live (in the John Denver recording, "wive and wet wive"), let this be our motto
Let's let the sleeping dogs lie ('ping dogs lie)
And here's to the dogs of Toledo, Ohio
Ladies, we bid you goodbye

Thanks from China


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Saturday Night in Toledo Ohio (R Sparks)
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Aug 09 - 02:47 PM

Yes, this song and many, many others were written by Randy Sparks who not only founded The New Christy Minstrels but also The Back Porch Majority. Other famous songs of his are TODAY; GREEN,GREEN; SATURDAY NIGHT (not the one in Toledo,OH)and hundreds of other folk songs. Although the group was famous in the 60's, many of the originals (including Sparks) are still touring and drawing big crowds and they are better than ever. Sparks tells the story at his concerts that he wrote the song when the group had a rare Saturday night off and they drove to Toledo for some fun but the town was closed up. He wrote the song as he drove the bus to their next gig.

Sparks also gave John Denver his last name. His real name was Deuchendorf but it was too long to put on the marque of Sparks' club where John D. was going to appear. Sparks looked down at his desk and saw the song DENVER which he had written and said that his name was now John Denver.

Randy Sparks is 74 and he still writes and sings every day. I know all of this is true because he has been a house guest of mine several times. For more information check out his web site: www.The New Christy Minstrels.com.

SD


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Saturday Night in Toledo Ohio (R Sparks)
From: Jason Xion Wang
Date: 14 Aug 09 - 09:46 AM

Cool! Thanks.


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