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The first song of the Carter Family

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Subject: The first song of the Carter Family
From: GUEST,Peter Gossett
Date: 22 May 00 - 07:53 PM

I have always thought the first song of the Carter Family was "Bury Me Under the Weeping Willow." However, today I read in a book "Anchored In Love: The Carter Family Story" that the first song was "Weeping Willow," which the lyrics read something like "I'll hang my harp in the weeping willow." I did a search for "Weeping Willow" here and I found that a song had this line in it and that song was called "There is a Tavern in the Town." I also read that when A.P. Carter first heard his record in the general music store in Bristol, the record was Weeping Willow/Single Girl, Married Girl. I have what I thought was the first record of the Carter Family, which is Bury Me Under the Weeping Willow/Little Log Cabin by the Sea, both of which were recorded on August 1, 1927. In the book Anchored in Love, it does not state the song Bury Me Under the Weeping Willow. So, my question is this: What is the Carter Family's first song? Is it Weeping Willow (There's a Tavern in the Town) or Bury Me Under the Weeping Willow?


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Subject: RE: Help: The first song of the Carter Family
From: Stewie
Date: 22 May 00 - 08:36 PM

According to Alex Davidson's discography [in 'The Carter Family' Old Time Music Booklet No 1], you are spot on. The first 2 recordings by the Family were 2 takes of 'Bury Me Beneath the Willow' on 1 August 1927 [the Bristol Sessions]. The first was unissued and the second was issued as Victor Vi-21074. Then followed 2 takes of 'Little Log Cabin By the Sea'. The first was unissued and the second was issued also on Victor Vi-21074. They next recorded 'Poor Orphan Child' and then 'Storms Are on the Ocean' (2 recordings of each) and then Sara recorded 'Single Girl'.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Help: The first song of the Carter Family
From: Banjer
Date: 22 May 00 - 08:38 PM

In the liner notes of my CD, "Anchored In Love", the first of the rounder series "The Carter Family, Their Complete Victor Recordings" (Rounder CD1046)it says....

That night they assembled on the platform. Since Sara had to paly her autoharp flat, they all sat around the microphone, and launched into "Bury Me Under The Weeping Willow", a song which both Sara and Maybelle had known since childhood; like many mountain songs, it was actually an old nineteenth century parlor song that had gone into folk tradition.

It goes on to say that they recorded six sides, and the titles named are as follows:
Bury Me Under The Weeping Willow
Little Old Log Cabin By The Sea
Poor Orphan Child
The Storms Are On The Ocean
Wandering Boy
Single Girl

Hope this helps some!!


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Subject: RE: Help: The first song of the Carter Family
From: Stewie
Date: 22 May 00 - 08:40 PM

My apologies, Sara's 'Single Girl, Married Girl' was recorded on the next day: Tuesday 2 August 1927. Thus, there were only 4 songs recorded on that first day.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Help: The first song of the Carter Family
From: Stewie
Date: 22 May 00 - 08:49 PM

Hi Banjer, I think you may have misread Wolfe's note to the Rounder. He confirms that only the first 4 in your list were recorded on 1 August. 'Single Girl' and 'Wandering Boy' were solos recorded next morning by Sara, accompanied by Maybelle. A.P. was absent and that was noted on the official Victor session sheets.

Cheers, Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Help: The first song of the Carter Family
From: Banjer
Date: 23 May 00 - 07:53 PM

Hi Stewie, No I understood that they only recorded four on the first day, but a total of six for that first 'session' even though it spanned two days. (Am I correct in assuming that or is my thinking totally warped? ;-)) Just think how it must have seemed to them at the time, probably thinking that this rube wanted to record them and they might make a dollar or two. Could hey have had any inkling that what they were doing would set standards in the world of what we now know as old time music and in the country field as well? How will some of the things WE do today affect future generations?


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Subject: RE: Help: The first song of the Carter Family
From: Stewie
Date: 23 May 00 - 11:13 PM

Hi Banjer, sorry for misunderstanding you.

As for the money, it has been said that all the artists in Peer's auditions received $50 per song. However, the Carters had no recollection of getting $300 for their 6-song effort. John Atkins has told the story that Sara and Maybelle were embarrassed by the fancy clothes of people in town for the auditions as they themselves had only simple country clothes. They overcame their embarrassment by entering Peer's studio by the fire escape! Evidently, it was Sara's voice that impressed Peer most. He has been quoted as saying 'As soon as I heard her voice, why, I began to build around it and all the first recordings were on that basis'.

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Help: The first song of the Carter Family
From: Banjer
Date: 23 May 00 - 11:41 PM

Hey, no problem Stewie, half the time I don't understand me too! I think the adage you refer to about Sara and Maybelle's embarassment about their clothes is why their music has lasted so long and will continue long after we are gone. They were simple folk and their music came from the heart. That, I believe is what attracts so many to them, they can be identified with as equals.


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Subject: RE: Help: The first song of the Carter Family
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 24 May 00 - 12:33 AM

I gotta tell you, driving into Bristol for the first time two years ago sent shivers up my back. I tried to explain to Heather the significance and she was polite, but boy I felt like a six year old. 'course you know I'm a huge fan (so is Sandy) of the Rev. Alfred Karnes, and I could picture everyone wanting to try his big Gibson harp-guitar. Man, what I would have given to be a fly on the wall that day.

Rick


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Subject: ADD: The Wandering Boy
From: wysiwyg
Date: 07 Sep 01 - 11:34 PM

THE WANDERING BOY

Out in the cold world and far away from home
Somebody's boy is wandering alone
No one to guide him and keep his footsteps right
Somebody's boy is homeless tonight

Out in the hall way there stands a vacant chair
Yonder the jewels my darling used to wear
Give me the cradle the one that loved so well
How I miss him there's none can tell

CHO:
Bring back my boy my wandering boy
Far far away wherever he may be
Tell him his mother with faded cheeks and hair
At their old home is waiting him there

Oh could I see him and hold him to my breast
That way I'd close my eyes and be at rest
There is no other that's left to give me joy
Bring back my boy my wandering boy

Well I remember the parting words he said
We'll meet again where no sad tears are shed
There'll be no good byes in that bright land so fair
When done with life I'll meet you up there


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Subject: RE: Help: The first song of the Carter Family
From: wysiwyg
Date: 07 Sep 01 - 11:54 PM

See THIS DISCUSSION also.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: Help: The first song of the Carter Family
From: murray@mpce.mq.edu.au
Date: 08 Sep 01 - 02:27 AM

According to my documentation: "The Carter Family in the shadow of Clinch Mountain" which is the book that comes with the Bear Family Carter Family collection, there were four songs recorded on Aug 1 1927 in Bristol Tennessee: Bury Me Under the Weeping Willow, Little Log Cabin by the Sea., The poor orphan Child, and The Storms are on the Ocean.

Murray


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Subject: RE: Help: The first song of the Carter Family
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 08 Sep 01 - 03:30 AM

Not a direct answer to your question but----

From: Something To Sing About! - The Personal Choices of America's Folk Singers

Collected and arranged by Milton Okun
The Macmillan Company, Collier-Macmillan Ltd.,London 1968, p.20

":Wildwood Flower", "Can the Circle Be Unbroken,::Worried Man Blues," "Keep on the Sunny Side" are but a few of the wongs associated with the Carter Family, who may well be America's first family of folk song…..Among their chief innovations was the addition of autoharp and guitar to traditinal ballds that had alwys been unaccompanied. The famous and distinctive guitar plaing of Mother Maybelle was another innovation, a variatin of the "church lick" that came to be called "Carter Family style."….Whatever the gulf that stands between the folk-festival world of Newport and the country music world of Nashvill is bridged by the work of Mother Maybelle.

For the collection within this anthology of musician's personal favorites, the Carters selected: Mollie Darling, Johnny I Hardly Knew You, Come All Ye Fair and Tender Ladies, and my own personal favorite, Wildwood Flower.

Sincerely, Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: Help: The first song of the Carter Family
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 08 Sep 01 - 03:33 AM

Just curious....what is your personal concern?

Does the FIRST really make any sort of difference?


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Subject: Bury me under the weeping willow
From: GUEST,Natalie Merchant
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 02:14 PM


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Subject: RE: The first song of the Carter Family
From: Brían
Date: 05 Apr 05 - 09:13 PM

Well, Natilie appears speechless at the moment. I must add that while the songs mentioned in this thread smacked me right where it hurts the first time I heard them and continue to to this day, I don't think the introduction of guitar, autoharp and other stringed instruments has impoved folk music. I find myself increasingly impressed with the unacompanied voice.

Brían


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Subject: RE: The first song of the Carter Family
From: Louie Roy
Date: 06 Apr 05 - 09:39 AM

Here is a true story on the Carter family.I'm not positive of the date but it was either 1931 or 1932 the Carter family was traveling all over the USA in their rickety bus and playing in movie theaters and they came to a little town in Idaho called Orofino and it cost 50 cents for adult and 25 cents for children to go to the show.I had a seat about half way back and on the aisle side.The show had been going about 15 minutes and a man came in and offered me 50 cents for my seat.50 cents to a kid at that time was a fortune so I gave him my seat planning on going up to the front row and sitting down,but all at once I found out the theather was packed and there was no place to sit so I came back to my original seat and sat on that man's lap and watched the show,however I never gave him back his 50 cents


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Subject: RE: The first song of the Carter Family
From: Brían
Date: 06 Apr 05 - 09:46 AM

That's a wonderful story, Louie.

Brían


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Subject: RE: The first song of the Carter Family
From: Brían
Date: 06 Apr 05 - 06:55 PM

What a curmudgeon I am becoming. After that last post I popped a CD by Jodie Stecher that completely defied my opinion of guitar accompaniment. Of course guitar tastefully played, like Maybelle played has its place. It's just when spruce, mahogany and bronze are beaten mercilessly that I don't care for it.

What impresses me the most about the Carter Family is that their simple dress and straightforward style of playing reveals a strong faith and appeal to social justice. They are not laughing up their sleeves when they are singing those songs.

Brían


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Subject: RE: The first song of the Carter Family
From: GUEST
Date: 29 May 15 - 02:29 PM

Yonder's the SHOES my darling used to wear...


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Subject: RE: The first song of the Carter Family
From: GUEST
Date: 29 May 15 - 02:34 PM

GLADLY I'd close my eyes & be at rest..

RE:WANDERING BOY


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Subject: RE: The first song of the Carter Family
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 May 15 - 02:52 PM

Wikipedia has a nice article on the Bristol Sessions.

Their list of the recordings at Bristol:
Matrix Recording
date
Artist(s) Title Victor
No.
Release
date
Key Name Notes
39700 25 July 1927 Ernest Stoneman/M. Mooney Brewer Dying Girl's Farewell 21129 17 February 1928 Stoneman
39701 25 July 1927 Ernest Stoneman/M. Mooney Brewer Tell Mother I Will Meet Her 21129 17 February 1928 Stoneman
39702 25 July 1927 Ernest Stoneman/Eck Dunford/Miss Irma Frost Mountaineer's Courtship 20880 4 November 1927 Stoneman another take issued on LP & CD
39703 25 July 1927 Ernest Stoneman/Eck Dunford/Miss Irma Frost Midnight On The Stormy Deep Stoneman issued on LP & CD
39704 25 July 1927 Stoneman's Dixie Mountaineers Sweeping Through The Gates 20844 16 September 1927 Stoneman
39705 25 July 1927 Stoneman's Dixie Mountaineers I Know My Name Is There 21186 16 March 1928 Stoneman
39706 25 July 1927 Stoneman's Dixie Mountaineers Are You Washed In The Blood? 20844 16 September 1927 Stoneman
39707 25 July 1927 Stoneman's Dixie Mountaineers No More Goodbyes 21186 16 March 1928 Stoneman
39708 25 July 1927 Stoneman's Dixie Mountaineers The Resurrection 21071 20 January 1928 Stoneman another take issued on LP & CD
39709 25 July 1927 Stoneman's Dixie Mountaineers I Am Resolved 21071 20 January 1928 Stoneman
39710 26 July 1927 Ernest Phipps and His Holiness Quartet I Want to Go Where Jesus Is 20834 16 September 1927 Phipps
39711 26 July 1927 Ernest Phipps and His Holiness Quartet Do Lord Remember Me 20927 18 November 1927 Phipps
39712 26 July 1927 Ernest Phipps and His Holiness Quartet Old Ship of Zion 20927 18 November 1927 Phipps
39713 26 July 1927 Ernest Phipps and His Holiness Quartet Jesus Is Getting Us Ready for That Great Day 21192 2 March 1928 Phipps
39714 26 July 1927 Ernest Phipps and His Holiness Quartet Happy In Prison 21192 2 March 1928 Phipps
39715 26 July 1927 Ernest Phipps and His Holiness Quartet Don't You Grieve After Me 20834 16 September 1927 Phipps
39716 27 July 1927 Uncle Eck Dunford/Ernest Stoneman/Hattie Stoneman/T. Edwards The Whip-Poor-Will's Song 20880 4 November 1927 Dunford
39717 27 July 1927 Uncle Eck Dunford/Ernest Stoneman/Hattie Stoneman/T. Edwards What Will I Do, For My Money's All Gone 21578 5 October 1928 Dunford
39718 27 July 1927 Uncle Eck Dunford/Ernest Stoneman/Hattie Stoneman/T. Edwards Skip To Ma Lou Ma Darling 20938 16 December 1927 Dunford
39719 27 July 1927 Uncle Eck Dunford/Ernest Stoneman/Hattie Stoneman/T. Edwards Barney McCoy 20938 16 December 1927 Dunford
39720 27 July 1927 Blue Ridge Corn Shuckers Old Time Corn Shucking Part 1 20835 16 September 1927 Stoneman similar personnel to Dixie Mountaineers
39721 27 July 1927 Blue Ridge Corn Shuckers Old Time Corn Shucking Part 2 20835 16 September 1927 Stoneman similar personnel to Dixie Mountaineers
39722 28 July 1927 Johnson Brothers With Tennessee Wildcats Two Brothers Are We 21243 6 April 1928 Johnson
39723 28 July 1927 Johnson Brothers The Jealous Sweetheart 21243 6 April 1928 Johnson another take issued on LP & CD
39724 28 July 1927 Johnson Brothers A Passing Policeman Johnson issued on LP & CD
39725 28 July 1927 Blind Alfred Reed The Wreck Of The Virginian 20836 16 September 1927 Reed another take issued on LP & CD
39726 28 July 1927 Blind Alfred Reed I Mean To Live for Jesus 20939 16 December 1927 Reed
39727 28 July 1927 Blind Alfred Reed You Must Unload 20939 16 December 1927 Reed
39728 28 July 1927 Blind Alfred Reed Walking In The Way With Jesus 20836 16 September 1927 Reed another take issued on LP & CD
39729 28 July 1927 Johnson Brothers With Tennessee Wildcats The Soldier's Poor Little Boy 20891 4 November 1927 Johnson
39730 28 July 1927 Johnson Brothers Just A Message From Carolina 20891 4 November 1927 Johnson
39731 28 July 1927 Johnson Brothers I Want To See My Mother (Ten Thousand Miles Away) 20940 16 December 1927 Johnson release date uncertain
39732 28 July 1927 El Watson Pot Licker Blues 20951 18 November 1927 Watson Only African American artist to record at Bristol Sessions
39733 28 July 1927 El Watson Narrow Gauge Blues 20951 18 November 1927 Watson Only African American artist to record at Bristol Sessions
39734 29 July 1927 B. F. Shelton Cold Penitentiary Blues V-40107 6 September 1929 Shelton
39735 29 July 1927 B. F. Shelton Oh Molly Dear V-40107 6 September 1929 Shelton
39736 29 July 1927 B. F. Shelton Pretty Polly 35838 16 September 1927 Shelton 12 inch disc
39737 29 July 1927 B. F. Shelton Darling Cora 35838 16 September 1927 Shelton 12 inch disc
39738 29 July 1927 Alfred Karnes Called To The Foreign Field V-40327 5 December 1930 Karnes
39739 29 July 1927 Alfred Karnes I Am Bound For The Promised Land 20840 16 September 1927 Karnes
39740 29 July 1927 Alfred Karnes Where We'll Never Grow Old 20840 16 September 1927 Karnes
39741 29 July 1927 Alfred Karnes When I See The Blood Karnes never issued
39742 29 July 1927 Alfred Karnes When They Ring the Golden Bells 20933 2 December 1927 Karnes
39743 29 July 1927 Alfred Karnes To The Work 20933 2 December 1927 Karnes
39744 1 August 1927 J.P. Nester Train On The Island 21070 20 January 1928 Nester
39745 1 August 1927 J.P. Nester Georgia Nester never issued
39746 1 August 1927 J.P. Nester John My Lover Nester never issued
39747 1 August 1927 J.P. Nester Black Eyed Susie 21070 20 January 1928 Nester
39748 1 August 1927 Bull Mountain Moonshiners Sweet Marie Bull Mountain never issued
39749 1 August 1927 Bull Mountain Moonshiners Johnny Goodwin 21141 28 February 1928 Bull Mountain release date approximate
39750 1 August 1927 Carter Family Bury Me Under The Weeping Willow 21074 20 January 1928 Carter
39751 1 August 1927 Carter Family Little Log Cabin By The Sea 21074 20 January 1928 Carter
39752 1 August 1927 Carter Family The Poor Orphan Child 20877 4 November 1927 Carter
39753 1 August 1927 Carter Family The Storms Are On The Ocean 20937 2 December 1928 Carter
39754 2 August 1927 Carter Family Single Girl, Married Girl 20937 2 December 1928 Carter
39755 2 August 1927 Carter Family The Wandering Boy 20877 4 November 1927 Carter
39756 2 August 1927 Alcoa Quartet Remember Me O Mighty One 20879 4 November 1927 Alcoa
39757 2 August 1927 Alcoa Quartet I'm Redeemed 20879 4 November 1927 Alcoa
39758 2 August 1927 Henry Whitter Henry Whitter's Fox Chase 20878 4 November 1927 Whitter
39759 2 August 1927 Henry Whitter Rain Crow Bill 20878 4 November 1927 Whitter
39760 3 August 1927 Fred H. Greever, John B. Kelly, J. V. Snavely When They Ring The Golden Bells For You And Me Private private recording, not made for release
39761 3 August 1927 Shelor Family Big Bend Gal 20865 7 October 1927 Shelor
39762 3 August 1927 Dad Blackard's Mountaineers Suzanna Gal 21130 17 February 1928 Shelor = Shelor Family
39763 3 August 1927 Dad Blackard's Mountaineers Sandy River Belle 21130 17 February 1928 Shelor = Shelor Family,
another take issued on LP & CD
39764 3 August 1927 Shelor Family Billy Grimes The Rover 20865 7 October 1927 Shelor
39765 3 August 1927 Mr. and Mrs. J. W. Baker The Newmarket Wreck 20863 7 October 1927 Baker
39766 3 August 1927 Mr. and Mrs. J. W. Baker On The Banks Of The Sunny Tennessee 20863 7 October 1927 Baker
39767 4 August 1927 Jimmie Rodgers The Soldier's Sweetheart 20864 7 October 1927 Rodgers
39768 4 August 1927 Jimmie Rodgers Sleep, Baby, Sleep 20864 7 October 1927 Rodgers
39769 4 August 1927 Red Snodgrass' Alabamians Weary Blues Snodgrass Jazz/dance band
39770 4 August 1927 Tenneva Ramblers The Longest Train I Ever Saw 20861 7 October 1927 Tenneva later recorded as Grant Brothers
39771 4 August 1927 Tenneva Ramblers Sweet Heaven When I Die 20861 7 October 1927 Tenneva later recorded as Grant Brothers
39772 4 August 1927 Tenneva Ramblers Miss Liza, Poor Gal 21141 28 February 1928 Tenneva later recorded as Grant Brothers,
release date approximate
39773 5 August 1927 West Virginia Coon Hunters Greasy String 20862 7 October 1927 West Virginia
39774 5 August 1927 West Virginia Coon Hunters Your Blue Eyes Run Me Crazy 20862 7 October 1927 West Virginia
39775 5 August 1927 Tennessee Mountaineers Standing On The Promises 20860 7 October 1927 Tennessee mixed 20-voice choir
39776 5 August 1927 Tennessee Mountaineers At The River 20860 7 October 1927 Tennessee mixed 20-voice choir
I'm too lazy to take out the links in this table, but let it be known that they won't work....


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