Subject: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: GUEST,carol@mccomb.batnet.com Date: 24 May 00 - 05:27 PM Does anyone know Archie Fisher's lyrics to Bogie's Bonny Belle? I can understand about 90% of it, but the remaining sections baffle me. I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who has a better ear than me. Thanks! |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: Susan of DT Date: 24 May 00 - 05:52 PM Search for Bogie* in the big blue search box above. Note that bonnie is spelled in too many ways to be a good word to search on. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: TerriM Date: 24 May 00 - 07:26 PM We once made a truly disgusting cocktail which we christened Belles Bonnie Bogie.....it was green and slimy. To our non-brit friends who may not know, a bogie is Brit for a booger. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: Pene Azul Date: 24 May 00 - 10:52 PM Here's a shortcut. It is here in the DT: BOGIE'S BONNIE BELLE (click). PA BOGIE'S BONNIE BELLE (DT Lyrics) At market day in Huntley toon, an' it was there I did agree Wi' Bogieside the farmer a twelvemonth for to fee Tae drive his twa best horses, that's a task that I could do Tae drive his twa best horses in the harrow and the ploo Now Bogie had a dochter, her name was Isabelle She was the lily o' the valley an' the primrose o' the dell An' when she went oot walkin', she chose me for her guide Doon by the burn at Cairnie, tae watch the fishes glide And when three months was scarcely o'er, the lassie lost her bloom An' the red fell frae her bonnie cheeks an' her eyes began to swoon Noo, the neist nine months were past and gone, she brought tae me a son And I was quickly sent for tae see what could be done I said that I would marry her, but oh that widna dae For, "You're nae match for Bonnie Belle, an' she's nae match for thee" He sent me packin' doon the road, wi' nae penny o' my fee Sae a' ye lads o' Huntley toon a lang fareweel tae ye. But noo she's marrit tae a tinker lad, wha bides in Huntley toon He mends pots and pans and paraffin lamps, an' scours the country roon Maybe she's gotten a better match - auld Bogie canna tell - But it was me wha's ta'en the maidenheid o' Bogie's bonnie Belle recorded by Ian Manuel on the Frosty Ploughshare @farm @Scottish @courtship @bastard filename[ BOGIEBEL TUNE FILE: BOGIEBEL CLICK TO PLAY SOF
Thaditional Ballad Index entry: Bogie's Bonnie BelleDESCRIPTION: Singer meets Bogie and goes to work for him; his daugher Isabel meets him by the river. She delivers a son, and Bogie sends for the singer, who promises to marry her. Bogie says the singer's not worthy of his daughter. Bogie's daughter marries a tinkerAUTHOR: Unknown EARLIEST DATE: 1906 (GreigDuncan7) LONG DESCRIPTION: Singer, going to Huntley, meets Bogie and arranges to drive horses for him; his daugher Isabel chooses him for her guide, down by the river. Later, she delivers a son, and Bogie sends for the singer, who promises to marry her. Bogie says the singer's not worthy of his daughter, so (the singer takes his son away while) Bogie's daughter marries a tinker; the singer takes his leave (and boasts of having taken her maidenhead) (or he wishes her well) KEYWORDS: hardheartedness courting seduction sex bragging pregnancy baby father lover FOUND IN: Britain(Scotland(Aber)) REFERENCES (4 citations): GreigDuncan7 1396, GreigDuncan8 Addenda, "Bogie's Bonnie Bell" (13 texts, 11 tunes) Kennedy 340, "Bogie's Bonnie Belle" (1 text, 1 tune) MacSeegTrav 81, "Bogie's Bonnie Belle" (1 text, 1 tune) DT, BOGIEBEL* Roud #2155 RECORDINGS: Davie Stewart, "Bogie's Bonny Belle" (on FSB01) CROSS-REFERENCES: cf. "Adieu to Bogie Side" (lyrics) cf. "The Plains of Waterloo" (tune, per GreigDuncan7) cf. "Erin's Lovely Home" (tune, per GreigDuncan7) NOTES [133 words]: According to Kennedy, a "literary" version of the song by John Riddel [indexed as "Adieu to Bogie Side" - RBW] was printed in Ford's Vagabond Songs and Ballads of Scotland, 1900. - PJS This is an instance of a difficult conundrum, which initially led me to lump the songs. There is good evidence that this "literary" version is a traditional song (Ford and Ord have very different versions, and Grieg found quite a few versions). And Ord's longish version has clear links to Kennedy's song. Links, but not really the same plot (e.g. the pregnancy vanishes). Still, I suspect there are versions which mix. Best to check the references to both songs. I find myself wondering if Riddell didn't know both songs, and create his version (with its references to the muses, etc.) from scraps of both. - RBW Last updated in version 2.5 File: DTbogieb Go to the Ballad Search form Go to the Ballad Index Instructions The Ballad Index Copyright 2020 by Robert B. Waltz and David G. Engle. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: GUEST,Paul Snow Date: 25 May 00 - 03:32 PM I suspect that Archie Fisher learnt this song from Davy Stewart as I did. Which words don't you understand? |
Subject: Lyr Add: BELLE'S BONNIE BOGIE (Les Barker) From: Snuffy Date: 27 May 00 - 04:21 PM TerriM Your mention of Belles Bonnie Bogie sent me looking for my Les Barker/Mrs Ackroyd Band CDs. I've spent all week looking but haven't been able to track down my "Gnus and Roses" CD. So here it is from memory (corrections gratefully received).
BELLE'S BONNIE BOGIE^^ Sung by Alison Younger on the Mrs Ackroyd Band album "Gnus and Roses" VRH Wassail! V |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: GUEST,Joerg Date: 27 May 00 - 09:59 PM One of the songs with MANY different lyrics. Does anybody know the lyrics of the version performed by Eddie&Finbar Furey in the 70's(?)? What GUEST,carol@... said at the very beginning also applies to me for that one. Snuffy - "Gnus and Roses" is CHARMING... Joerg |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: TerriM Date: 28 May 00 - 02:03 PM gotta love Les!My personal favourite is 'Dachsunds with erections can't climb stairs'...sorry, thread creep. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: GUEST,jayohjo Date: 28 May 00 - 07:34 PM one of my faves, as my mum always used to sing it - thats how i know it, but it now appears (backed up by her) that she learnt hers from davy as well. beeyootiful song though! |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: GUEST,Joerg Date: 28 May 00 - 09:01 PM TerriM - that shows some deep insight. In german there is a saying: "The devil is a squirrel (i.e. he can get on the highest tree)". Joerg |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: Art Thieme Date: 28 May 00 - 09:29 PM Carol, A question ! I am making some assumptions/conclusions from your e-mail address. Are you the Carol McComb from the great 1960s era LP Kathy & Carol (Elektra?) that is still one of my favorite albums of all time? If so, welcome to Mudcat and your being here is really very nice to see. Also: Please check out Lou Killen's version of this fine song for which you search. It's a beauty. Art Thieme folkart@ivnet.com |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: Liam's Brother Date: 29 May 00 - 10:06 AM One of the first 2 or 3 songs I learned to sing with the guitar.
All the best, |
Subject: Lyr Add: BOGIE'S BONNIE BELLE (Archie Fisher) From: Abby Sale Date: 29 May 00 - 08:39 PM BOGIE'S BONNIE BELLE As I gaed in by Huntley toon, yin morning for tae fee Tae ca' his twa best horses, or cairt or [ferry] a ploo' 1 Now Bogie had a daughter, and her name was Isabelle And when she gaed oot walkin', she chose me for her guide The first three months being past and o'er, this lassie lost her bloom When nine long months were past and gane, she brought forth tae me a son I said that I would marry her but no, that wudna do Well now she's married tae a tinkler chiel, wha bides in Huntley toon Aye, an' maybe she's gotten a better lad; auld Bogie canna tell 1 That's just one or two words I don't get. Sorry. Maybe I got it & it means "ironwork" (sharpen, eg) a |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 29 May 00 - 11:59 PM To work his twa best horses, cairt or harry or pleugh (John A. Brune, The Roving Songster, 1965.) From George Murray of Aberdeen.
Peter Kennedy (Folksongs of Britain and Ireland) has a version from Davie Stewart; the same line, though spelt slightly differently.
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Subject: Lyr Add: BELLE'S BONNIE BOGIE (from Alison Younger From: Snuffy Date: 28 Sep 01 - 06:06 PM I couldn't find my Gnus & Roses CD back in May 2000 (see above)because I'd lent it to a friend. I got it back last night, and discovered that my memory had indeed been faulty. Here's the full version of Belles's Bonnie Bogie as sung by Alison Younger
BELLE'S BONNIE BOGIE
Sung by Alison Younger on the Mrs Ackroyd Band album "Gnus and Roses" DOG010 |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: GUEST,Boab Date: 29 Sep 01 - 02:12 AM The words of the first verse causing confusion--- ---tae cairt or harry or pleugh---" "Cairt " is obvious, as is "pleugh"; the word "harry " means "harrow" ---the process of dragging a harrow across a seeded field in order to bury the grain. One of my favourite bothy ballads. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: GUEST,yum yum Date: 29 Sep 01 - 07:49 AM Sheila Stewart sings a version of 'Bogie's Bonny Belle' on her album 'From the heart of the tradition.' I have heard quite a few versions of this ballad but I must admit that this takes the top prize!---Oh!!! and by the way, I cant remember who it was who informed us lately about TOPIC RECORDS being on line but I was able to buy this album of Sheila Stewart (and get my FREE CD as well) thanks to who-ever you are. Thats what I love about Mudcat, great information!! Good-luck all yum yum |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: DonMeixner Date: 29 Sep 01 - 08:37 AM Get Seamus Kennedy's CD with it on. He has kindly translated it into English for us who speak no Calebonics. Don |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: GUEST,Wayne Bean Date: 09 Jan 02 - 12:55 PM Re: Abby Sale's question about the second verse. She did some good guessing: "Tae Ca (drive) his twa best horses Tae cairt or harrie (harrow) or ploo Or dae ony thin aboot fairmwork As I righct weel can do" The parenthetical stuff are definitions/transliterations. This version is pretty much in Northeastern dialect. |
Subject: Tune Add: BELLES'S BONNIE BOGIE From: Snuffy Date: 09 Nov 02 - 06:19 PM The (defective) version of Belle's Bonnie Bogie that I posted 27 May 00 - 04:21 PM has made its way into the DT. Unfortunately that was done from memory, and I conflated verses 4 and 6, and totally omitted verse 11. I later posted a corrected version 28 Sep 01 - 06:06 PM, but these corrections have not got into DT. The song is on Mmario's Missing Tunes List. The tune is not the same as the one in DT for Bogie's Bonnie Belle, but is substantially the same as the one used by Finbar & Eddie Furey for that song. Here's an ABC (using the corrected version). X: 240 T:BELLES'S BONNIE BOGIE M:4/4 L:1/4 Q:90 S:Les Barker K:BMIX B|B>BcB| w:As I gae'd in by M:5/4 A<GF2B,| w:Hunt-ly toon This M:4/4 E<EFG| w:mor-nin' for tae M:5/4 B4B/B/| w:fare I fell M:4/4 AGF/F/E| w:in wi' Bo-gie O'- M:6/4 F<BA3G/F/| w:Cair_-nie On his M:4/4 E<CB,<A,|B,4|| w:rare and hair-y mare. WassaiL! V |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: Big Tim Date: 10 Nov 02 - 05:08 PM I have just glanced at the thread but have seen no reference to the Bogie. This small river runs north through Huntly, Aberdeenshire. It joins the River Isla (not the much bigger River Isla in Co. Angus), then joins the River Spey, then the North Sea. Haven't noticed either any reference to Christy Moore's pretty straight recording of the song. Incidentally, the song is all wrong: the most beautiful and by far the most sexy woman ever to come out of Huntly was Margaret C. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: GUEST Date: 10 Nov 02 - 05:21 PM I actually live in Huntly! Ive never heard that other version of the song but I like it! I have a friend who sings this song alot ( i do know parts of it i should learn it!!) He has found out that the Bogie in the song isnt the river. The river bogie runs no where near Cairnie (which is a few miles out of Huntly) Instead, what used to happen on the farms was the farmer was called after his farm, so the farm could have had a reference to Bogie or Bogie side or even Strathbogie (which is the old name for Huntly before the Gordons changed it!). Hence Bogie o Cairnie. and just for the record, we hardly ever say Cairnie, we pronounce it Kyar-nee! I think there was something else to add to this but i seem to have forgotten! I'll post as soon as i remember! Shona |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: GUEST,Eoin Date: 20 Jul 05 - 10:51 AM Christy Moore has recorded two fine versions of the song. I come from Cork in the south of Ireland, where I regularily sing it with Bouzouki accompaniment by myself, I know of only one other person who sings it in the Munster area, that's Gerry Mc Namara from Limerick |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: GUEST,Robert Black of "Sticky Willie" Date: 09 Sep 08 - 01:24 PM AS I cam in by Huntly toon, Yin mornin fur tae fie, Refers to the old tradition of farm workers making their way to village livestock sales/fairs to bargain with local farmers to carry out alloted tasks for an agreed fee (fie) Archie Fisher's rendition of this song cannot be bettered.... if you have not heard it & you like/love this song, then you have missed the best. I've been performing this for 40yrs & I can still choke up while singing it.... & I have not been nervous on stage since 1970 !! stickywillie.co.uk |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: The Sandman Date: 09 Sep 08 - 02:00 PM guest eoin,Ilive in the munster area and sing it,and haverecorded it.http:www.dickmiles.com |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: Bryn Pugh Date: 10 Sep 08 - 05:50 AM Just to put the cat among the pigeons. I used to sing this lovely song, but got a flea in my ear from Paul Graney (RIP), a noted folklorist. Denizens of the Manchester scene will remember him well. I sang " . . . pots and pans and paraffin lamps . . .". Paul told me it should be " . . . pots and pans and ladles . . . ", and who was I to argue ? Paul had more than likely forgotten more about "folk" than I might ever learn, and I was happy to accept his erudition. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: Jim Dixon Date: 10 Sep 08 - 06:34 PM I was hoping to find the text of this song in an old book. But first there is the problem of spelling. It could be BOGEY, BOGIE, or BOGY. It could be BONNIE or BONNY. It could be BELL or BELLE. That makes 12 possible combinations. I found 8 of them—and that's just among the recordings found at Allmusic.com. (I never did find an old text.) BOGEY'S BONNIE BELL Dave Donohue, "The Musical Pub Crawl," ?. BOGEY'S BONNIE BELLE Christy Moore, "Christy Moore Folk Collection," 1978. Paul 'Limey' Murray, "Traditional Scottish Ballads," 2005. Paul Murray, "Ultimate Collection: The Sound of Scotland," 2007. Steve Tilston, "Ship of Fools," 1988. Tempest, "Turn of the Wheel," 1996. Unknown, "Scottish Flavours," 2002. BOGEY'S BONNY BELLE Unknown, "Essential Irish Folk Collection," 2003. Unknown, "Sound of Irish Folk [Dolphin]," 2002. BOGIE'S BONNIE BELL Andy M. Stewart, "Dublin Lady," 1987. Carl Peterson, "Auld Scotch Sangs," 2000. Gaberlunzie, "Wind and Water, Time and Tide," 2004. John McDermott, "Celtic Tenor," 2004. BOGIE'S BONNIE BELLE Barry Dransfield, "Popular to Contrary Belief," 2008. Bert Jansch, "Leather Launderette," 1988. Cherish the Ladies, "Woman of the House," 2005. Christy Moore, "Common Ground: Voices Of Modern Irish Music," 1996. Debbie Brewin-Wilson, "Dream of Caledonia," 2002. Isla St. Clair, "Tatties & Herrin': The Land," 1997. Jock Tamson's Bairns, "May Ye Never Lack a Scone," 2001. June Tabor, "Aqaba," 1988. Lisa Moscatiello, "Innocent When You Dream," 1997. Richard Thompson, "Watching the Dark," 1993. Robin & Barry Dransfield, "Even More.Popular to Contrary Belief," 2008. Robin Dransfield, "Lighter Touch," 2008. Robin Dransfield, "Up to Now," 1997. Rod Paterson, "Scottish Harps," 1998. Saoirse, "Celtic Eclectic," 2007. Sheila Stewart, "From the Heart of the Tradition," 2000. The Corries, "Sound the Pibroch," 1972. The Corries, "Strings and Things/A Little of What You Fancy," 2003. Willson & McKee, "This Thin Place," 2006. BOGIE'S BONNY BELLE Archie Fisher, "Best of Scottish Folk [Essential]," 2002. Archie Fisher, "Folk Roots: A Classic Anthology of Song," 2004. Archie Fisher, "Transatlantic Box Set," 1998. Finbar & Eddie Furey, "Best of Finbar & Eddie Furey," 1991. Hamish Imlach, "Borderlands: The Best of Scottish Folk," 2006. Jimmy MacBeath, "Tramps & Hawkers: The Alan Lomax Portait Series," 2002. John Kirkpatrick, "One Man and His Box," 2000. Old Blind Dogs, "Gab O Mey," 2003. Owen Hand, "Something New/I Loved a Lass," ?. Sula, "Over Seas," 2005. BOGY'S BONNIE BELLE The Fureys, "Drop of Irish," 1999. BOGY'S BONNY BELLE Finbar & Eddie Furey, "Collection," 1992. Finbar & Eddie Furey, "Finbar and Eddie Furey/The Lonesome Boatman," 1997. The Fureys, "Spanish Cloak," 1998. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: Effsee Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:22 PM None of which mentions what I regard as the definitive version, sung by Tom Spiers on the 1976(?) album "Beware of the Aberdonian" recorded by the Gaugers. Recently re-released by Sleepytown records. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 10 Sep 08 - 10:51 PM There are a number of early C20 versions in the Greig-Duncan Collection (vol VII, number 1396) which make it pretty clear that the word was Boghead; as pointed out earlier, it was common to refer to farmers by the name of the land they farmed; still is in some places. You're unlikely to find the song in any old books. Most of the list above are commercial arrangements recorded by modern revival performers, so not likely to help. The notes to G-D VII include the following (page 518) from Gavin Greig's MS: 'Written originally by John Geddes, foreman at Boghead of Cairnie, fifty-four years ago. Believed to have been himself here. Copy from G. Stevenson, Mill of Towie, Auchindochy, Keith. Extracted from Farm Servant Magazine 1913.' The editors also quote information supplied by Peter Hall, as follows: 'Isabel Morison, the heroine of this song, was born at Boghead, 20 September 1823, as the daughter of Alexander Morison (Old Parish Register, Cairnie). She again appears at Boghead in the census of 1841. Her illegitimate son, James, was born on 16 June 1843, the father being James Stephen from the parish of Glass(OPR, Cairnie). In the census of 1851, the son was living with his paternal uncle in the parish of Glass, lending credence to the versions of the song which have the father remove the child from the maternal home. Isabel Morrison [sic] is no longer at Boghead in 1851.' A locally made song, though set to older tunes; in the early C20 it seems that some of the people involved were still remembered, though local tradition may have confused their identities a bit. The versions in G-D that mention lamps mostly have them as naptha lamps, incidentally; I don't know why Paul Graney insisted on 'ladles'. Perhaps he wasn't aware of those older examples. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: davyr Date: 11 Sep 08 - 05:33 AM I'm not surprised that nobody has mentioned the beautiful version of the song on this album, considering it's been "unavailable" for years: LER 2094 Roger Nicholson, Jake Walton & Andrew Cronshaw Times & Traditions for Dulcimer http://folkopedia.efdss.org/Leader_Records |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: Vic Smith Date: 11 Sep 08 - 05:48 AM Effsee says None of which mentions what I regard as the definitive version, sung by Tom Spiers on the 1976(?) album "Beware of the Aberdonian" recorded by the Gaugers. Recently re-released by Sleepytown records. Largely, I would go along with this. Tam's slightly different tune and commanding performance are magnificent. It may not be better than the wild raw excitement of the treatment of the song by the incomparable Davy Stewart, The Galoot, but Tam's approach puts him on a par with the master. (Just checked the vinyl sleeve and yes it was 1976) |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: Bryn Pugh Date: 11 Sep 08 - 06:20 AM Thank you for this, Malcolm. I've no wish to be controversial :-) - just that Paul could be a crusty oul' bugger, at times ! |
Subject: ADD Version: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: GUEST,Dave MacKenzie Date: 11 Sep 08 - 06:50 PM BOGIE'S BONNIE BELLE As I gaed up to Huntly toon Ae morning for a fee I met Bogheid o' Cyarnie; Wi' him I did agree. To work his twa best horses, Cart or harrow or plough, Or anything aboot fairm work I very well could do. Auld Bogie had a dochter, Her name was Isabelle; The floo'er o' the valley And the primrose o' the dell. And when she went oot walking She choosed me for her guide Down by the burns o' Cyarnie To watch the fishes glide. The first six months had past an' gone, The lassie lost her bloom; The red fell from her bonnie cheeks An' her eyes begin to swoom. The neist nine months were scarcely o'er She brought forth to me a young son And I was quickly sent for To see what could be done. They said I should marry her But Losh! that wouldna dae, Sayin' I'm nae a match for your bonnie Belle And she's nae match for me. But noo she's married wi' a tinker lad He comes frae Huntly toon; He sells pots and pans and paraffin lamps And he scours the country roun'. But maybe she's gotten a better match, Auld Bogie canna tell, 'Twas Peter took the maidenheid O' Bogie's bonnie Belle. As sung by Jane Stewart on Topic LP 12T179, "The Travelling Stewarts". Learnt from her father, Davy Stewart, whose version appears on Topic LP 12T157, "Songs of Courtship". A few variations there. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: GUEST,Robert Black of Sticky Willie Date: 14 May 09 - 09:10 AM 'Tis the nature of Folk Music now & in the past & probably the future , to take established tunes & lyrics & meld them into a local tradition or story. Robert Burns never wrote an original tune in his whole prolific life !! Enjoy it all & if the need takes you, change what you already know, to that which will amuse/entertain your audience/friends. THAT IS FOLK MUSIC !!!( The telling of tales ) |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: ossonflags Date: 14 May 09 - 09:40 AM No one has mentioned the version done by the late great Ian{Jock} Manual recorded by Topic 12TS220 The Frosty Ploughshare.For me the best version and the one I sing. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: goatfell Date: 14 May 09 - 09:47 AM what about the corries version |
Subject: ADD Version: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: GUEST,Barney Date: 02 Jul 09 - 07:11 PM These are the original bothy ballad lyrics, as performed by Jim Reid on the simply amazing album "I saw the wild geese flee" Still available, see - http://www.musicscotland.com/cd/jim-reid-i-saw-wild-geese-flee-musicscotland.html If you have not heard this recording, you should (and I have no commercial connection) It's nothing to do with Bogheid - that's another song on the album """" BOGIE'S BONNIE BELLE Ae Witsuntide at Huntly toun, 'Twas there I did agree, Wi auld Bogieside, the fairmer, A sixmonths for tae fee. Noo Bogie wis a hungery chiel, An this I knew fu well; But he had a lovely dochter, An her name wis Isabelle. Noo Belle she wis the bonniest lass, In aa the countryside; It wis very soon I lost ma hert, Tae the Belle o Bogieside. An often in the summertime, I'd wander wi ma dear; Tae watch the trouties loupin, By Bogie's water clear. I taen her by the middle sma, An I ca'd her ma wee dear; 'Twas there I taen ma will o her By Bogie's water clear. Noo nine lang months had passed an gane, An she brocht forth a son; An auld Bogie he sent efter me, Tae see what could be done. I said that I wad mairry her, But na, that wad nae dae; For I'm nae match for Bogie's Belle, An she's nae match for me. An noo I've left auld Huntlyside, I've even broke ma fee; For I couldna bear tae see ma dear Condemned tae misery. Noo I hear she's wad tae a tinkler chap That cam ower fae Huntly toun; An wi jeely pans an ladles She scoors the country roun. An mebbe she's gotten a better lad, Auld Bogie canna tell; Sae fareweel ye lads o Huntlyside An Bogie's Bonnie Belle. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: Art Thieme Date: 02 Jul 09 - 09:09 PM It is a fine song! And my favorite singer of it is Lou Killen! Art |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: Art Thieme Date: 02 Jul 09 - 09:12 PM Damn, I forgot I posted about Lou K. doing this song a long time ago. sorry. Art |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: Ross Campbell Date: 03 Jul 09 - 02:36 AM You can't have too much of a good thing. Great thread. Ross |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: MartinRyan Date: 18 Feb 11 - 12:37 PM Nice 1979 video of Christy Moore singing this HERE Regards |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: The Sandman Date: 19 Feb 11 - 12:34 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrwfuveekG0 Dick Miles |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: MRyer Date: 19 Feb 11 - 01:48 PM I've been singing BBB for a number of years. The tune and phrasing I use are heavily influenced by Louis Killen. But I had lost track of where I had "lifted" the verses. I was thinking it was from a vinyl recording of the Dransfield brothers. Because of this thread, I searched YouTube for BBB by the Dransfields and this turned up: Robin Dransfield's Bogie's Bonnie Belle To my delight, the lyrics are almost identical to the ones I've been singing!! So I will attribute the lyrics to Robin Dransfield. This version is different from many because it has two or three verses between "losing her bloom" at three months and bringing forth a son at nine months. These verses describe the lad being sent packing by Bogie just before the feeing term was up - with no fee paid, of course. (He's called back at nine months to deal with the birth.) Worth a listen, at least. While the guitar is tasteful, I prefer it unaccompanied. Mark Ryer |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: The Sandman Date: 19 Feb 11 - 02:17 PM with respect, the verse the lily of the valley and the primrose of the dell is far more poetic than Robin Dransfields version, [imo] mRobins interpretation is superior to Christys. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: syd67 Date: 24 Feb 11 - 01:36 AM Mr. Ryer, that's my youtube channel (not trying to self-promote here, though it may sound like it) that you found Robin Dransfield singing BBB on. And I'll say cheers! I'm glad I could help some people with the lyrics. I first heard him sing the tune on pandora, and bought the CD as soon as I could. I'm so glad that so many people still listen to this type of music as opposed to other kinds. I've put the rest of his album up as well, and will post Barry's LP 'Barry Dransfield' when I get a chance. (I'm new here, but if this post seems irrelevant, I'll delete it as soon as I'm told to.) |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: C Stuart Cook Date: 08 Jul 14 - 02:39 AM Just looking for the words and this thread came up. The first version I heard, and as is the way of things, still the one that sticks, was by big Pete Rogers of The Taverner's. A superb singer within the group and even better unaccompanied. |
Subject: ADD Version: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: GUEST,James Phillips Date: 25 Dec 20 - 04:23 PM Let me just add another variant of the lyric, this time as sung by Rod Paterson of Jock Tamson's Bairns. I couldn't find this particular variant online anywhere so did my best to pick it out from the recording, any corrections would be welcome! BOGIE'S BONNIE BELLE Ae Whitsun morn in Huntley Toon 'twas there I did agree Wi' Bogieheid o' Carnie, twelvemonth for tae fee To drive his twa best horses, and to cairt and carry and ploo, And dea onything o' farming work I very weil could do Bogie had a dochter, her name was Isabelle She was the floo'er o' the valley, the primrose o' the dell She had rosy cheeks and ruby lips and hair the raven's hue She was neat, complete and handsome, aye and comely for tae view When she gaed oot walking, she took me for her guide Doon by the burn o' Carnie where the silver fishes glide I put my arm aboot her waist and tae the ground did slide, And there I had my first braw nicht, wi' the belle o' Bogieside When three months were passed and gone, this lassie lost her bloom And the rid fell frae her rosy cheeks, and her een began to swoon And when nine months were passed and gone, she brought forth to me a son, And I was quickly called for tae see what could be done. I said that I would marry her, but no that wouldnae dae For you're no' a match for my bonny belle, and she's no' a match for ye He sent me packing doon the road, wi'oot my penny fee Sae fareweel ye lads o' Huntley side, a lang fareweel tae ye And noo she's married tae a tinker chiel, wha bides in Huntley toon He mends pots and pans and paraffin lamps, an' he scours the country roon And maybe he's gotten her a better match, auld Bogie cannae tell But it's me wha stole the maidenheid fae Bogie's bonny belle |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: GUEST,jim bainbridge Date: 26 Dec 20 - 09:49 AM This song was identified with Davy Stewart's distinctive version, although there were (and are) certainly other versions around. Christy Moore's take on it is more or less as Davy's, which is not surprising really. He was much taken by Davy when the Marsden Rattlers of South Shields took him up to the Blairgowrie festival in 1969- he was thrilled to meet the 'source singers' at that festival, so I've little doubt he picked it up then. As we drove through Coupar Angus on the Friday afternoon en route to the festival, there was Davy busking on a street corner! We picked him up & took him to Blair, so they met early on at the festival! Finbar & Eddie Furey had been living in Edinburgh long before that & their source could be the same, or not? Christy was on the RTE John Murray radio morning show about five years ago & there was an invitation to call & ask for a song. The usual stuff came up- 'Ride On'- 'Sonny' etc, so I thought I'd test him & called in for 'Bogie's Bonnie Belle'. No hesitation, there it was, 46 years later.... |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: Tattie Bogle Date: 27 Dec 20 - 04:43 AM Lots of good versions from various Scots singers, not all of whom have made CDs, but are regularly heard around festivals and singers’ gatherings. Geordie Murison, Joe Aitken, Hector Riddell, Allan Taylor (not the one from Brighton!), Jim Taylor, Jock Duncan - and representing the ladies, Shona Donaldson, Iona Fyfe, Kate Taylor. Apologies to anyone I’ve missed! |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bogie's Bonny Belle From: GUEST,henryp Date: 27 Dec 20 - 06:15 AM We spent one holiday at Leith Hall, just outside Huntly, and next the Ardmore distillery producing the principal component of Teacher's Highland Cream. But the children enjoyed everything that Strathbogie had to offer! |
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