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Lyr Req: Banks of the Mossen

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Banks of the Mossen (Tune as recorded by Bob Copper from Jim Swain, Felpham, Hastings, Sussex, in 1954. From notation in Bob's book Songs and Southern Breezes (1973).)


Wolfgang 26 May 00 - 06:05 AM
MartinRyan 26 May 00 - 07:01 AM
Stewie 26 May 00 - 07:46 AM
Wolfgang 26 May 00 - 08:55 AM
Susanne (skw) 26 May 00 - 03:52 PM
Stewie 26 May 00 - 08:33 PM
Alice 10 Sep 01 - 10:52 PM
GUEST,Carole 15 Jul 02 - 02:03 PM
MMario 15 Jul 02 - 02:09 PM
GUEST,Carole 15 Jul 02 - 02:20 PM
Malcolm Douglas 15 Jul 02 - 03:40 PM
Alice 16 Jul 02 - 12:25 AM
GUEST,Carole 16 Jul 02 - 08:33 AM
Malcolm Douglas 16 Jul 02 - 08:36 AM
Malcolm Douglas 16 Jul 02 - 08:43 AM
Jim Dixon 18 Jul 02 - 08:17 AM
GUEST,SussexCarole 19 Jul 02 - 05:36 AM
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Subject: Banks of the Mossen
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 May 00 - 06:05 AM

I'd love to see lyrics to this song. Here's what I have found about it in the Ballad-Index:

Banks of the Mossen, The


DESCRIPTION: "As I was a walking down by some shady grove... Young lambs were a-playing on the banks of sweet Mossen... The lark in the morning...
brings me joyful tidings of Nancy my dear." The singer asks for pen and ink to write to Nancy
AUTHOR: unknown
EARLIEST DATE: 1973
KEYWORDS: love separation animal river
FOUND IN: Britain(England(South))
REFERENCES (1 citation):
Copper-SoBreeze, pp. 242-243, "The Banks of the Mossen" (1 text, 1 tune)
ALTERNATE TITLES:
The Banks of the Mossom
The Banks of Sweet Mossom
Notes: I'd bet a lot that this is one of those Johnny-the-sailor-separated-from-his-love type songs that's been collected about three hundred times -- but from the
short text given (three short verses and a fairly generic chorus), I can't tell which one. - RBW
File: CoSB242

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Banks of the Mossen
From: MartinRyan
Date: 26 May 00 - 07:01 AM

Wolfgang

The jcitation is to Bob Coppers "Songs and Southern Breezes" book - which is the only one of his I DON'T have! No doubt someone else has a copy.

Regards


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Subject: Lyr Add: BANKS OF THE MOSSEN/MOSSOM
From: Stewie
Date: 26 May 00 - 07:46 AM

Here you go:

As I was a-walking down by some shady grove
Down by some shady fancy, my heart, my soul's delight

Chorus: Young lambs they were a-playing all on the banks of sweet Mossen
All on the banks of sweet Mossen all on through happy spring
The lark all in the air she rise all the morning
And brings me joyful tidings of my Nancy dear

The song birds on the branches is (sic) now sat down to rest
I'll write to lovely Nancy, my heart, my soul's delight

Chorus

Oh give me ink and paper and I may sit down to write
I'll write to lovely Nancy, my heart, my soul's delight

Chorus

--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Banks of the Mossen
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 May 00 - 08:55 AM

Stewie and Martin,
thanks a lot for these quick responses.
Now, I'm just a bit curious where the banks of the Mossen (Mossom) are.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Banks of the Mossen
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 26 May 00 - 03:52 PM

Some help? [1992:] This charming, albeit a little confused, song comes from Shirley [Collins]'s native Sussex. Jim Swain of Angmering learnt it from a shepherd near Felpham. (Paul Adams, notes 'Voices')


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Banks of the Mossen
From: Stewie
Date: 26 May 00 - 08:33 PM

Correction: first line of last verse should read:

'Oh give me ink and paper that I may sit down to write' - 'that' not 'and'.

My excuse is that my son was hassling to take over the computer while I was typing.

Cheers, Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Banks of the Mossen
From: Alice
Date: 10 Sep 01 - 10:52 PM

How glad I am to find some of this information on the forum! My father's mother died when he was a baby, and we had little information about her, except that her maiden name was Mossom, she was from England, and she was possibly an indentured servant before she married my grandfather. We had her mother's name, Mary Westall, and finally my brother tracked down the birth certificate in Yorkshire, Jane Mossom born at Normanby. Mossom does not seem to be a very common name, and I was intrigued by this song title when I found it on the folktrax website, part of a collection of English songs. The track is recorded by Shirley Collins, with the same notes that Susanne posted: "THE BANKS OF THE MOSSOM SHIRLEY COLLINS (rec. London 1974) This charming, albeit a little confused, song comes from Shirley's native Sussex. Jim Swain of Angmering learnt it from a shepherd near Felpham. From the late 1950' s Shirley has been in the full flow of the folk song movement and her records are much sought after. Sadly she is no longer singing regularly. "

I have not heard the song. Can anyone give us an audio file link? I'll repeat Wolfgang's question about where the Mossom is located. Anyone have an online map they can link to? I am intrigued.

Alice


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Banks of the Mossen
From: GUEST,Carole
Date: 15 Jul 02 - 02:03 PM

The Banks of Mossom was collected by Bob Copper from Jim Swain of Felpham who in turn collected it from his father who was a carter. I have had the opportunity of listening to the original field recording made by Bob. The lyrics posted on Mudcat are not quite as collected. This is my all time favoutite song and I make no appologies for singing it ad finitum


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Banks of the Mossen
From: MMario
Date: 15 Jul 02 - 02:09 PM

Carole? Could you post the lyrics as collected?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Banks of the Mossen
From: GUEST,Carole
Date: 15 Jul 02 - 02:20 PM

As I was a-walking down by some shady grove
Down by some shady Nancy, my heart my soul's delight

Young lambs they were a-playing
All on the banks of sweet Mossom
All on the banks of sweet Mossom
That long true happy spring
The lark all in the air
She rises in the morning
And brings me joyful tidings of Nancy my dear

The song birds in the branches is now sit down to rest
I'll write to lovely Nancy, my heat my soul's delight

Oh give me ink and paper, I may sit down to write
I'll write to lovely Nancy, my heart my soul's delight

Ref to 'shady Nancy' in first verse. I have spoken to Shirley Collins and she confirms that this is what was collected and the words on her recordings.

HTML line breaks added. --JoeClone, 18-Jul-02.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Banks of the Mossen
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 15 Jul 02 - 03:40 PM

Though this song seems to have been found once only in tradition, almost every time it has been published in print or on a recording the title has been given differently, which may cause some confusion. Here is (I think) a full list:

Banks of the Mossen
Banks of the Mossem
Banks of Sweet Mosson
Banks of the Sweet Mosson
Banks of Sweet Mossing

Roud Folk Song Index number 1201.

Harvesters should note that heat in verse 2 above is a typo. Evidently Bob Copper and Shirley Collins have understood the song differently, hence all on through happy spring (Bob) versus that long true happy Spring (Shirley) and, for that matter, Shirley's Mossom.

A midi made from the notation in Bob Copper's Songs and Southern Breezes (1973) will go in time to the Mudcat Midi Pages; in the meantime it can be heard via the South Riding Folk Network site

Banks of the Mossen (midi)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Banks of the Mossen
From: Alice
Date: 16 Jul 02 - 12:25 AM

Can't get the audio file to work with Real Audio nor Quick Time.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Banks of the Mossen
From: GUEST,Carole
Date: 16 Jul 02 - 08:33 AM

Third time lucky!!!!

Harvesters???? should note that heat was a typo - my apologies - too much of a dinosaur to handle such eleborate machinery. You are correct in assuming that this should have been heart. My apologies also for the layout & lack of abbreviation - I was not aware that the computer would re-hash my imput. Being a newcomer to this site - it makes me wonder how the next generation of the aural/oral tradition will pass on our heritage of song with the possibilities of typos etc - a classic example appears to be the word "curties" in the lyrics posted of The Carter.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Banks of the Mossen
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 16 Jul 02 - 08:36 AM

It's a standard midi, and your native browser plugin would have no trouble with it. Quicktime works for me, too (I don't generally use it for midis as it can be rather intrusive); it doesn't play automatically, though. Real Player is sulking because I won't let it update itself with more junk that I don't want, so it won't play at present; in fact, I've forbidden it to open anything not in its own native formats because it needs to be kept firmly in its place! Windows Media Player and Winamp play the midi quite happily, as well. It's possible that the problem is at your end.


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Subject: ADD: Banks of the Mossen
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 16 Jul 02 - 08:43 AM

We've had lengthy discussions here about the meaning of puzzling words in songs that turn out to have been typos all along; you are not alone! At the moment, you have to add .html linebreaks when posting lyrics here; they look like this:  <br>

More on simple .html can be found in the FAQ thread. I've changed my message title to ADD, so that harvesters for the DT can more easily find this song, which is indeed a rather nice one.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Banks of the Mossen
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 18 Jul 02 - 08:17 AM

Wolfgang, Alice, et al:

According to Getty Thesaurus of Geographic Names there is a river named Mosson in Hérault department, Languedoc-Roussillon region of France. (The spellings mossen, mossem, and mossing turned up nothing.)

A Google search showed that there is a chateau called Le château de la Mosson on the banks of the Mosson in Montpellier.

There is a soccer stadium called La Mosson, named after the river.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Banks of the Mossen
From: GUEST,SussexCarole
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 05:36 AM

Thank you for putting the lyrics I posted into proper notation. I will double check my info re this song as soon as poss & try to obtain more background.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Banks of the Mossen
From: fogie
Date: 19 Jul 02 - 05:53 AM

Shirley Collins album- Adieu to old England has this and some other gems in it of this ilk.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Banks of the Mossen
From: GUEST,Robin
Date: 31 Mar 11 - 05:03 AM

I first heard this performed by John & Chris Leslie in Northamptonshire folk clubs in the mid 1970s. It's also on their album Ship of Time http://www.kissingspell.co.uk/Album.php?Catalogue_Number=KSCD936


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