Subject: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: Art Thieme Date: 26 May 00 - 12:37 PM My brother has a friend who is looking for songs that llustrate anxiety brought on by technology. Thanks in front for your input. Art Thieme |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: GUEST,Mrr Date: 26 May 00 - 12:52 PM tada tada Microwave ovens, tada tada color teeveeeeeeeeees? Can't remember the rest? Or is Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug too low-tech? |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: SINSULL Date: 26 May 00 - 12:56 PM Take Paradise, Put Up A Parking Lot. |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: Rana who SHOULD be working Date: 26 May 00 - 12:59 PM Hi, What about Stan Rogers "The Xerox Line" on the live album? Rana |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: Jacob B Date: 26 May 00 - 02:22 PM "Automation", by Allan Sherman. It was automation, I'm told That's why you were fired, and you're out in the cold It was IBM, it was Univac It was all those gizmos and clickety-clacks, dear |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: Bill D Date: 26 May 00 - 02:41 PM Steven Levine's classic KING OF THE NERDS |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: GUEST,Mbo_at_ECU Date: 26 May 00 - 03:41 PM Mrrz, that's "Money For Nothing" by Dire Straits. Song is more about the music business, not really tech. "The Bug" is a funny song! Check out ELO's castanet & tympani driven A href=http://lib.nmsu.edu/cgi-bin/print_hit_bold.pl/~clandt/Rockaria/songs/thewaylifesmeantobe.html>The Way Life's Meant To Be. Just use the calypso strum that they do, on acoutsic guitar, and you'll have folks believing it's folk. PS don't forget the la la's! --Mbo |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: GUEST,Mbo Date: 26 May 00 - 03:42 PM That's The Way Life's Meant To Be. |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: GUEST Date: 26 May 00 - 03:46 PM never bloody mind |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: Mark Clark Date: 26 May 00 - 04:51 PM Art, don't forget "The Washing Machine Song," the new one just sits there and goes hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I was at Bean Blossom the day that was written. John Hartford, Tut Taylor, Vasser Clements, et al., had been up all night expanding their minds and stuff and had that song ready for the first concert of the day. They launched into the song and when they reached that onomatopoeic description of the old one, a dog near the stage (and the speaker) let out a long and heartfelt howl. The audience just cracked up. I think I have the whole thing on tape somewhere. - Mark |
Subject: Lyr Add: Industrial Disease^^ From: GUEST,flattop Date: 26 May 00 - 05:38 PM Dire Straits' song 'Industrial Disease' may have come closer to capturing technological anxiety than 'Money for Nothing.' They wrote money for nothing after watching a couple of roughnecks cut up the music videos in the television section of a department store. 'Industrial Disease' is a more serious song. ARTIST: Dire Straits TITLE: Industrial Disease
Warning lights are flashing down at quality control
The caretaker was crucified for sleeping at his post
The work force is disgusted downs tools and walks
Doctor Parkinson declared "I'm not surprised to see you here
I go down to Speakers Corner I'm thunderstruck |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: MAG (inactive) Date: 26 May 00 - 06:31 PM Stevie Goodman did that one about buying all the stuff you see on dumb TV ads, and that was way before The Shopping Channel. |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: DADGBE Date: 26 May 00 - 06:51 PM Hi Art, Industrial Disease is a powerful lyric. The title means "My Resting Place" and I can only remember a vague outline of the words: Don't look for me where birds are singing,you won't find me there, my friend, Look for me here in the clatter of machines. This is my resting place. C'mon Joe, give us a hand!
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Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: DADGBE Date: 26 May 00 - 06:55 PM Why does half my message dissappear when I post?! The paragraph that went AWOL read: My mother sang a Yiddish song called "Mein Reueh Platz" in the 1950's of which I only remember fragments. I'll bet that Joe Offer could find it for us if we ask nice. |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: GUEST,Les B Date: 26 May 00 - 06:56 PM Art - If you do find any good songs about the subject, perhaps you shouldn't reveal that you got them off the Internet!(Big grin!) |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: Susan of DT Date: 26 May 00 - 07:18 PM Iron Horse (in DT) |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: GUEST,flattop Date: 26 May 00 - 07:20 PM The Steve Goodman song is called Vegematic, Mag. I always though of it as 'Six Flags Over Burbank,' so I looked up those words in Altavista. The site below says that Shel Silverstein wrote the lyrics. The focus seems to be consumerism rather than technological anxiety - unless it's a fear of falling asleep in front of the TV. Falling asleep in front of the TV is not usually frightening unless you drop acid and wake up not knowing where you are. Then the TV can be such a pain. Best to not fall asleep when you drop acid. http://www.banned-width.com/shel/works/veg.html |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: dick greenhaus Date: 26 May 00 - 08:05 PM Hey Art- If you want the opposite viewpoint, try Peg'N Awl. |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: Stewie Date: 26 May 00 - 08:16 PM 'John Henry'. |
Subject: Lyr Add: The Death of Ellenton^^ From: Art Thieme Date: 26 May 00 - 11:57 PM I thought of Uncle Dave Macon's song the chorus of which went something like:
I've been waggoning for over 20 years
Also: Si Khan's song "Aragon Mill" and the New Lost City Ramblers did a great song that I used to sing too (originally a 78 by Pa Johnson and the Johnson Family) called "The Death Of Ellenton" about a town that was demolished in Tennessee to build a nuclear research/factory facility. This ole-timey country song rolls right along and THEN we're hit with the line about weapon production. It just sends shivers up my spine.
Where the broad Savannah flows along to meet the mighty sea,
They brought bulldozers by the score where children used to play,
Oh, the friends we know and love we'll meet upon some other shore, Art Thieme
Art Thieme |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: Lanfranc Date: 27 May 00 - 07:26 AM How about Billy Ed Wheeler's "Coal Tattoo" or Tom Paxton's "Georgie on the Freeway". There was a parody of "16 Tons" under the title of "16 bits" which is a bit passe in these days of 32 and 64 bits, but I can't offhand think of any folksongs that mention 64 - or does the Beatles "When I'm 64" open up a potential avenue for an Intel song? I'm going to go away and think of songs that could be modified into a late 20th Century Luddite anthem. The trick will be to come up with something that enthuses about the best bits of modern technology (the Internet, mobile communications) while deriding the worst (the Internet, mobile communications, GM crops, "early retirement") |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: Chocolate Pi Date: 27 May 00 - 01:11 PM DADGBE: MAYN RU'E PLATZ a nearly-canonical list of computer filks: click here Chocolate Pi |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: Stewie Date: 27 May 00 - 09:52 PM Hi Art, It's interesting that you mention Uncle Dave. There is also the line where he sang 'I'd rather ride a wagon and go to heaven/Than to ride in an automobile', but I can't recall which song it comes from. He never forgot that trucks once put him out of business. I love the photo that County has used on LP and CD covers of Uncle Dave with his mule and wagon. The sign reads: 'Uncle Dave Macon: Slowing Down But Still Moving - Old Time Religion. Old Reliable Way. My Gasoline Consists of Corn, Oats, Whip and Hay'. However, Uncle Dave was a little ambivalent about the automobile. He never learned to drive, but that was because he had seven sons and therefore 'there was no need to'. In 'On the Dixie Bee Line' (reissued Vetco 101), he glorifies Mr Ford's Model T which he ties into bootlegging. Humour was Uncle Dave's method of handling change. Many of the songs mentioned above seem to be related to the dire consequences of, rather than 'anxieties about', the encroachment of technology - and such songs abound. Another Billy Edd Wheeler song, 'The Coming of the Roads', could complement the 'Coal Tattoo' that has been mentioned. There's an interesting broadside printed in Roy Palmer's 'A Touch of the Times'. It is titled 'The State of Great Britain or a Touch at the Times'. It includes these verses:
The railroads all through England have great depression made
The steamboats to old Beelzebub the watermen do wish; Cheers, Stewie.
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Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: Art Thieme Date: 27 May 00 - 10:17 PM Stewie, I thought that line was:
I'd rather ride a wagon and go to heaven Art |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: Stewie Date: 28 May 00 - 12:10 AM Yes, that's right, Art. I was quoting from a faulty memory. Cheers, Stewie. |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: zonahobo Date: 28 May 00 - 03:11 AM How about John Prine's
Blow up your TV, throw away the paper (as I remember the lyrics) Not just anxiety, but what to do about it! |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: John in Brisbane Date: 28 May 00 - 08:03 PM The ones that spring immediately to mind are the poem by Banjo Patterson 'Mulga Bill From Eaglehawk' about a blow hard horseman who tackles a penny-farthing bicycle for the first time - with disastrous results.
I also recall that Percy French was paranoid about horseless carriages and wrote a couple of songs on this subject sixty years before Ralph Nader.
Regards, John |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: ddw Date: 28 May 00 - 09:53 PM Joel Mabus's song Talking 20th Century Blues has a few good digs at technology, but my current anti-tech song is James Cotton's Take A Message. cheers, david |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: Mark Cohen Date: 28 May 00 - 11:25 PM Ray, here are the Yiddish words to Mayn Rue Plats. Thanks, CP, didn't know it was in the DT. I don't have my book with me so the transliteration may not be kosher. I think it's by Morris Rosenfeld, but I might be wrong. MAYN RUE PLATS Nit zuch mich vu di mirten grinen Gefinst mich dortn nit mayn shats Vu lebens velkn bay mashinen Dortn iz mayn rue plats (2x) Nit zuch mich vu fontanen shpritsn Gefinst mich dortn nit mayn shats Vu trern rinen, keyner kritsn Dortn iz mayn rue plats (2x) Nit zuch mich vu di feygl zingen Gefinst mich dortn nit mayn shats A shklaf bin ich, vu keytn klingen Dortn iz mayn rue plats Un libstu mich mit varer libe To kum tsu mir, mayn guter shats Un hayter oyf mayn harts dos tribe Un mach mir zis mayn rue plats (2x) Aloha, Mark |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: Mark Cohen Date: 28 May 00 - 11:29 PM Oh, and the "Xerox line" song is by Nigel Russell, and it's called WHITE COLLAR HOLLER. Leon Rosselson has written some wonderful anti-technology songs. In fact, most of his songs are anti-technology. The ones that aren't anti-government, anyway. "Whoever Invented the Fish Finger" is one of my favorites. Aloha, Mark |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: MAG (inactive) Date: 31 May 00 - 11:36 PM I WISH somebody would write an Ellentown type song about Richland here in WA. State, where Hanford is (Hanford, as in where they made the plutonium rods during the war). At the time, people were upset, but now everyone there is connected in some way, even the environmental think tanks. (It's the one plant that even the pro-nukers admit is screwed up.) The current plan is to fuse several cubic acres of soil (yes, acres) to lock in all the contaminants the government has been saying for 55+ years weren't there. I'm upstream but downwind from it, and Washington State has the highest cancer rates in America. Off my soapbox. |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: Pene Azul Date: 31 May 00 - 11:51 PM Howz about this one: I'M THE SLIME (Frank Zappa) I am gross and perverted I'm obsessed 'n deranged I have existed for years But very little had changed I am the tool of the Government And industry too For I am destined to rule And regulate you I may be vile and pernicious But you can't look away I make you think I'm delicious With the stuff that I say I'm the best you can get Have you guessed me yet? I'm the slime oozin' out From your TV set You will obey me while I lead you And eat the garbage that I feed you Until the day that we don't need you Don't go for help, no one will heed you Your mind is totally controlled It has been stuffed into my mold And you will do as you are told Until the rights to you are sold That's right folks, don't touch that dial Well, I am the slime from your video Oozin' along on your livin' room floor I am the slime from your video You can't stop the slime people, look at me go I am the slime from your video Oozin' along on your livin' room floor I am the slime from your video You can't stop the slime people, look at me go |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: GUEST Date: 31 May 00 - 11:52 PM Now, shall we walk Or shall we ride? "Ride," said Pleasure. "Walk," Joy replied. |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: Big Red Date: 01 Jun 00 - 12:04 AM The Wayfarers did an album from the World's Fair in NY (1964-65) that contains a song called "The Ballad of the Battle of the Great All Digit Dial". The song laments the loss of operators and exchange names. It ends with a reference to the "new" ZIP CODES. How times have changed. |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: DADGBE Date: 01 Jun 00 - 12:13 AM Hi all, Thanks for the help with Main Rueh Platz. There's an alternatative group of songs to which Dick alluded; that of pride in technology. Remember Georgie who was ..."proud to die for the engine I love"...? How about those cowboy songs which brag about being the best with a horse and riding and roping. There's the Aussie sheepshearer who sang, "If I don't shear a tally before I'm through, into the river my shears I'll throw." In Newcastle the colliers sing, "I can hew, boys, I can hack it out. I can hew the coal, I can dance and shout. I can hew, boys the coal that's black and fine. I'm a collier lad and I'm working down the mine." How about a new thread, Art? |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: Grab Date: 01 Jun 00 - 07:14 AM "Industrial Disease" is a classic. Environmental message - try Tom Paxton's "Whose garden was this". I'm rather fond of a mid-90s hip-hop song called "TV, the drug of the nation", but I can't remember who did it. And of course, there's pretty much anything by Pink Floyd - "Welcome to the machine" stands out, for one. Grab. |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: Kim C Date: 01 Jun 00 - 10:26 AM Rats! I was hoping I'd be first on Industrial Disease! I reckon I've got to get up pretty early in the morning to beat y'all! I also like John Prine's "Paradise," especially:
The coal company came with the world's largest shovel Last year I was inspired to write a song after an old home was torn down in our neighborhood. They took it down bit by bit, and underneath the white clapboard was -- guess what -- a square-log cabin. A log cabin! Here was a home that had sat on the main road between Nashville and Murfreesboro for who knows how many years, and they turned it into - guess what - a parking lot for the airport shuttle service. It really broke my heart - but I guess that's where a lot of songs come from. |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: Whistle Stop Date: 01 Jun 00 - 10:54 AM How about "Pollution" by Tom Lehrer? A real classic on the unintended consequences of industrialization. |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: jayohjo Date: 01 Jun 00 - 11:21 AM Not exactly folk, but 'CCTV' by The Levellers? jayohjo XX |
Subject: Lyr Add: Stop Researchin'^^ From: GUEST,ohwilliedear@yahoo.com Date: 01 Jun 00 - 01:43 PM This calls to mind some of the first anti-nukes songs. And they wern't written by hippies with scruffy beards and twelve strings, either. Stop Researchin' -- Red Foley
Early Sunday Morning the preacher gave his warnin' |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: Bert Date: 01 Jun 00 - 02:34 PM Then there's the 'Scottish' John Henry MANYURA, MANYAH! |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: SeanM Date: 01 Jun 00 - 02:58 PM I read this thread, and in my twisted mind the song that kept rearing it's head is "DUNDERBECK", a whimsical little ditty about the inventor of the sausage machine... Not quite anxiety, but I think there's a grain of the topic in it somewhere... M |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: Gary T Date: 01 Jun 00 - 09:01 PM Not anxiety so much as mock dismay, and it's old technology... "Lord, Mr. Ford"--by Jerry Reed, I believe. |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: lamarca Date: 02 Jun 00 - 04:36 PM Art, there are a whole bunch of wonderful English songs from the time of the Industrial Revolution, when people were being displaced by technology. Many are collected in Roy Palmer's "A Touch on the Times" (mentioned above) and Jon Raven's "Victoria's Inferno". Most of the ones I know are from the textile industry - some classics that have been recorded by many singers are: Cropper Lads - solve the problem of machines taking your job away by smashing the machine The Triumph of General Ludd - sung by Roy Harris on an old Topic LP, this is a pro-Luddite paean The Handweaver and the Factory Maid - love among the steam looms Four Loom Weaver - a handweaver's lament about hard times of industrialization Just wanted folks to know that anxiety about technology is hardly a new phenomenon! |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: MGM·Lion Date: 27 Aug 09 - 02:45 AM No-one mentioned Bob & Ron Copper's last verse 1940s/50s addition to their family's The Seasons Round: Now things they do alter as time do go along. I'm afraid I shall have occasion to alter my song. You'll see a boy on a tractor a-going like hell, And whatever farming is coming to there's no tongue can tell! I agree with the poster who just murmured "John Henry" somewhere up there. |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: oldhippie Date: 27 Aug 09 - 06:31 PM HOW FAR WE HAVE COME Bill Frederick When our fathers came to this golden land There was nothing but forests and rivers and sand And a few million Indians running around Now look what we've made of the little they found There's cities of silver that shine in the night Churches of splendor and halls of delight And only an echo of Indian drums Who can deny how far we have come The slave ships they came with the whip and the rack And a million black people with scars on their back Picked cotton, drew water, and slept in the cold With a bible for comfort they were happy and cold The laws they were passed, slavery went Our lives integrated at least six percent In the sharecroppers shack and the big city slum Who can deny how far we have come The immigrants came from the green Irish shore From Poland and Russia, ten million and more Germany, Italy, all the world round To settle our ghettos and immigrant towns Their brains and their bodies they put to the wheel To build our great factories and towers of steel To march to our battles and carry our guns Who can deny how far we have come Now all through the Andes, they've heard of our name On the factory wall, in the palace of shame They drink Coca Cola and the times that they spend Goes straight to the pockets of our businessmen To pay for our Fords, and our split level homes Our Hi-Fis and records and six percent loans Our profits protected with dictators guns Who can deny how far we have come In Asia and Africa, they're learning too How free enterprise can do wonders for you South Africas prisons are bursting with men Barbed wire keeps the Vietnamese in Where elections are daydreams that never get far American weapons are there standing guard We're ready to fight for the lands that we run Who can deny how far we have come Our fears they are many though they're seldom saved They're black and they're yellow and they're brown and they're red They see through the legend, they smell the decay They're learning to fight the American way And we in our armchairs are quick to condemn Our bankbooks are falling, our profits might end The breaking of change is our funeral hum Who can deny how far we have come When our fathers came to this golden land There was nothing but forests and rivers and sand And a few million Indians running around Now look what we've made of the little they found There's cities of silver that shine in the night Churches of splendor and halls of delight And only an echo of Indian drums Who can deny how far we have come |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: Joe_F Date: 27 Aug 09 - 08:18 PM My old man is dead and gone, now I am your old man; And my advice to you, my son, is fight back while you can. Watch out for the man with the silicon chip, hold on to your job with a good firm grip, 'Cause if you don't you'll have had your chips, the same as my old man. -- Ewan MacColl |
Subject: RE: Songs of Anxiety about technology From: Jack Campin Date: 27 Aug 09 - 08:21 PM The Muckspreader |
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