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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: Brendy Date: 01 Jun 00 - 11:41 PM But of course, some shaggin' eejit will. B. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: Pene Azul Date: 01 Jun 00 - 11:13 PM I think it's time to continue this one. Please post to BS: Improper Language II. ---Please Do Not Post More Here--- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: alison Date: 01 Jun 00 - 11:13 PM well thanks fellas for doing all that research... I'm sure it must have been a real chore..... your hands must be tired............ from closing all those windows..... hahaha they mentione "quim" a few times in "Rob Roy" slainte alison
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: catspaw49 Date: 01 Jun 00 - 11:10 PM Ain't that the gospel truth? You go out hunting for some of these words and you're off into the pornzone with all the damn ads and all.......I got into a couple of sites I couldn't back out of!!! Had to shut down!!! Anybody got any idea as to how many porn pages are on the net? Worst experience was when I went looking for a neat printable calendar once. Google gave me a boatload and as I'm looking for what I need, I come across an angel calendar. My sister Connie likes angels, so I check it out. Its some pedophilia site with pictures of girls that are like 12 years old!! No age check or anything, but some longwinded crap about "art." Unbefuckinlievable. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: Brendy Date: 01 Jun 00 - 11:09 PM "Well, I'm sure those last few postings will put an end to this thread" I should certainly hope not. Why, what's wrong with them? B. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: GUEST,Hilary NZ Date: 01 Jun 00 - 11:05 PM Well, I'm sure those last few postings will put an end to this thread. Or have people turning very nasty. Can't wait. McGrath of H - yes thank we got Porridge, but it is because of our general distaste of royalty, not our regard or it, that anything said in a horsey voice sort of looses currancy. Keep up the depravity, er, I mean, interesting etymological dissitations. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: Brendy Date: 01 Jun 00 - 10:56 PM And don't for Jasus' sakes forget to empty the shaggin' Temporary Internet Files fuckin' folder, before the wife shaggin' sees it. Oooooooh by. That would be a right feckin' hoor altogether. B. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: Frank McGrath Date: 01 Jun 00 - 10:43 PM Brendy, tis a pure vulva, altogether. More power to yourself and your good elbow for puttin' up with all that feckactin' malarkey they do be at on them sex sites on d'internet. The fellas that makes them sites are nuttin' but a shower of vulvas. I went lookin' for the auld quim meself on d'internet and sure did't I find the same. Up to me arse in sex I was. Nuttin' but ridin'! After I spent half the night closing windows I sez,"fuck um, sure I might as well have a look". Well I never saw the like of it! I'll have to have another look to be sure I really seen what I saw. I know a girl called Fanny but God Blessings on that poor Spanish fucker called Quim. That's one right cunt of a name. Gluck for now. Frank |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: Brendy Date: 01 Jun 00 - 10:02 PM People have been busy I see. When you click here, hit Ctrl+F, and type in 'quim' (IE 5 users) To be quite honest, I'm getting a bit pissed off traipsin' through these fuckin' porn sites that are adverfuckintisin' bolliksin' sex fuckin' dictionaries. I've been treated to infuckinvites to screw(there's one for yiz!!) Pamela Anderson shaggin' that whore of a husband of hers. 'Wet' fuckin' this and 'Fists...' fuckin that. Filth! That's what it fuckin' is. Absolute shite! But isn't it a God almighty fuck up altogether, when a dacent Christian fella like meself can't go happily about his business on the internet lookin' up definitions and etyfuckinmologies of harmless words like 'quim', instead of gettin bomfuckingbarded by greasy whores launchin' all sorts of shaggin' windows all over me bastardin desktop. B. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 Jun 00 - 09:40 PM "Cym Rhonda" will never sound the same again.
As for "Naff off" - Norman Stanley Fletcher got there well ahead of Princess Anne. I'd have thought he outranks her, even in New Zealand where perhaps you have higher regard for royalty. Or didn't "Porridge" make it as far as New Zealand? (And here's another Porridge link |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: GUEST,Hilary NZ Date: 01 Jun 00 - 09:27 PM Smeg's wonderful. We call people smegheads here. Because of Red Dwarf. Don't use naff off 'coz it's a Princess Ann thing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: Brendy Date: 01 Jun 00 - 09:06 PM Rogers Profanisaurus - the link that wasn't a link!! B. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: Brendy Date: 01 Jun 00 - 09:03 PM A bit premature on that one I'm afraid - good reading, though B. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: Brendy Date: 01 Jun 00 - 08:59 PM B. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: Brendy Date: 01 Jun 00 - 08:56 PM Thanks Joe. There's even definitions of 'minge' and 'muff'- more favourites!! I don't think it's meant to be serious. Apparently it's a variation of the Welsh 'Cwm', which we all know is a glaciated hole in a mountain, right Jon? B. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: Brendy Date: 01 Jun 00 - 08:20 PM This one , if you can read the writing, gives an interesting definition of 'quim' and 'swive' Gone to stick the nosebag on - back soon B. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 Jun 00 - 08:15 PM Of course you can call someone a pussy. It's just another of those words with a double meaning we were talking about earlier. Like cock. Or ass in America (loses all it's flavour if you spell it that way, I think.) Or chopper (that's a treble meaning). Does anyone know when the idea that there were some words with a fence around them came in? And do you get it in all cultures?
My impression is that up until a couple of hundred years ago if you wanted to swear you'd have had to use words related to religion. When Chaucer uses words like swive there's no sense that he's breaking any taboos. (A word that deserves to be revived.)
Noone so far has mentioned the new expressions that have been invented and/or popularised by TV (in the UK anyway) - notably "Naff off" (Porridge) and "Smegging" (Red Dwarf.) Have they made it across the Atlantic? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: Pene Azul Date: 01 Jun 00 - 08:09 PM I found this reference to a book that might hold the key to fuckin aya/a: The F Word; Jesse Scheidlower, editor; Random House; 1995; ISBN 0-679-76427-5. This book doesn't fall neatly into any of my categories. It is a complete and thorough scholarly examination, but as it deals with only one word it can hardly be put in with the dictionaries. Suffice to say that this book contains everything you wanted to know about the English language's most notorious word, but were afraid to ask. PA |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: Brendy Date: 01 Jun 00 - 07:57 PM Frank, I haven't gone through it YET, but for anecdotal information, You HAVE to check this out!! Back later!! B. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: Brendy Date: 01 Jun 00 - 07:49 PM Oh, the dreaded 'quim'? Right, we're back to that one, are we? After MMario's hunt earlier on, I think my senses have been sharpened by now Off we go again!! B. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: Frank McGrath Date: 01 Jun 00 - 07:34 PM Chhhhrisht, Brendy, you're shpot feckin' on bye. Gghreat shtuff. De lads will be feckin' delihead wud your ... interpreetayshun, ...bejasus. I'm shtill lookin' fur quim though. Frank |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: Brendy Date: 01 Jun 00 - 03:15 PM Munster 'lads' I should have said Close one!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: Brendy Date: 01 Jun 00 - 03:10 PM Where as 'fanny' is another word for the female genatalia on this side of the pond!! As for 'A' and related superlatives; above I signed off by saying "Fuckin' A1 lads', where 'A1' is the greatest 'mark' you can give. I always reckoned that any pre or suffix attached to 'A' is all down to the way you feel at the time of expression. 'Lads', in the Munster dialect (SW Ireland) is a unisex word, as in: Chhhhrisht, lads, yere ggghreat Apologies to Frank, and other Munster men for my humble attempts at imitation. B. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: Grab Date: 01 Jun 00 - 10:37 AM Frank, You might be interested in the Monty Python (Eric Idle)song, "I bet you they won't play this song on the radio". Basically, the song features a large series of sound effects for the various words removed. I'd love to do it live at the next folk club - just need a couple of assistants with a large series of sound effect generators (sirens, hooters, bells, whistles, balloons, etc, and a whoopy cushion of course). Ben Elton once did a set based on names for genitalia, when he says they'd come up with a huge list of willies, dicks, etc which were all OK to say on air. Then he asked what names for female genitalia were OK to say on air, and they could only find one acceptable one - "toot-toot". Not one I've heard of, but anyway. And if you think about it, it does seem that way - saying someone's been a bit of a dick is fairly acceptable (in fact, 'dork' has pretty much lost its meaning as an erect member), but calling someone a cunt or a pussy is not socially acceptable. And on the English-American front, I submit the word "fanny". I've seen a line somewhere that says no wonder there's so many gays in America when they don't know which bit's the fanny. ;-) Grab. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: catspaw49 Date: 31 May 00 - 10:23 PM I'll do the hard copy thing as I'll be at a library with some excellent resources. Yeah, I know this is stupid, but we look into all kinds of other words and meanings. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: Bill D Date: 31 May 00 - 10:20 PM hmmm...I do know the term "A-ok", and I suppose it could be related after the fact...but having heard the other so long ago...maybe I'll email a couple of the WWW word mavens who might 'know' |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: Hollowfox Date: 31 May 00 - 05:12 PM I dunno, I firsh heard it in the 1960's from a Long Island college girl. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: sophocleese Date: 31 May 00 - 04:02 PM Well I've heard somebody say "Fucking Aces, man." Now that might have been because they heard "Fucking A" first and just made sense out of it... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: catspaw49 Date: 31 May 00 - 03:07 PM I'm interested here too in the idea of the origin being English. Anything perhaps merchant marine about it? I can find plenty of uses but no origins. Spaw (Fockin A well told huh?) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 31 May 00 - 02:30 PM Given the way pronunciations vary, there are bound to be places where the natural way to pronounce "aye" would be "eh".
But as for the point Bill raises, I think it's at least as likely that it's a variation from saying that something is "A alright"(long A), meaning it is very alright - A being first letter, number one, top of the list, top marks at school etc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: Bill D Date: 31 May 00 - 01:50 PM yep, 'spaw..that's the way it is used now...but what would 'A' mean?..whereas 'aye' makes sense...and I really heard it used that way..(do a search in Googol, and you'll fine examples both ways)...I am just betting that"A" is a corruption by those who don't know better |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: catspaw49 Date: 31 May 00 - 01:26 PM That's interesting Bill......I had never thought of it as English/Australian. My main association comes from hearing it from Italian-Americans or American rednecks as in "Yer fuggin A right Bubba" Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: Bill D Date: 31 May 00 - 12:52 PM just because I'm still curious, I am cutting & pasting this from this thread on misunderstood words ...but it got lost in the discussion, and I never got a reply "ok, folks..especially those in England and Australia, help me out on this one....every now & then I hear someone say, in order to express absolute agreement with you... "fuckin' A" (long "A' sound)...but 30 years ago, the first time I ever heard it, it was "fuckin AYE" ..meaning 'absolutely YES'... now- am I right that the ignorant have seen 'aye' in print and could not pronounce it, and so corrupted it? Who knows anything or the origin? (sounds veddy British or Aussie, to me)
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 31 May 00 - 07:11 AM lamarca - I think the basic rule, is, if a words are being used as meaning-free decoration or ornamentation in a sentence(eg "It's bugger all to do with me", "I'm fucked if I know"), most people don't give a shit about what words you use. (Apart from the one that "berk" is contracted rhyming slang for, as pointed out by Frank McGrath above.)
But once you start using them "in a dictionary sense", different rules apply, and you'd best go easy on them. Bill D's joke sums it up very well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: GUEST,Diver Date: 31 May 00 - 12:57 AM I'm telling you, man, it gets weirder and weirder!!
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: Pene Azul Date: 31 May 00 - 12:32 AM Nice link, Diver. Interesting that they chose "Max" as the subject in the "fuck" as a transitive verb examples. Quoting: (2a) Max fucked Betty. PA |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: GUEST,Diver Date: 31 May 00 - 12:31 AM "Coitus - co-i-tus - n. -- Sexual union between a male and a female involving insertion of the penis into the vagina. [Latin, from past participle of cohre, to copulate : co-, co- + hre, to go, come; see ei- below.] —co-i-tal adj. —co-i-tal-ly adv. to have sexual, penis in vagina, intercourse: [Sexologist John Money recommends two transitive verb forms for the activity indicated by the noun "coitus" since none exist excepting for the socially unacceptable "fuck." These should be "swive," and "quim," which are obsolete early English. Men would "swive" women, whereas women would "quim" men. Both verb forms for coitus are active and are not indicative of a power imbalance relationship between the sexes engaging in this activity.]." Taken from www.sexuality.org We are in the process of turning this into a science!!! D. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: GUEST,Diver Date: 31 May 00 - 12:12 AM More discussion on the subject |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: Bill D Date: 30 May 00 - 11:42 PM thank goodness for 'supersearch'..I just remember posting this joke After reading some comments above, I suspect it is close to the truth... that entire thread is relevant to what we are discussing... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: catspaw49 Date: 30 May 00 - 10:24 PM Thinking of Hollowfox's research project.....Allen Sherman in one of my favorite books, "The Rape of the A.P.E." had a chapter one word long. It was titled, "Short Chapter;Long Footnote" and the word was FUCK. The rest of the chapter (a footnote) went into a humorous history of fuck and its euphemisms......completely hilarious! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: GUEST,me Date: 30 May 00 - 10:10 PM or we could ignore the legends and go back to high german "ficken" (sp?) profanity, however, is a high art and a dying one... tis a bit easier to say "f*** you!" rather than... "ye bog breathed miscreant sack o' guts!" but less fun peace upon thee |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: GUEST,Diver Date: 30 May 00 - 10:09 PM Lennox Lewis' (The guy that beat the crap/fuck out of Holyfield) 'designer wear' includes the logo "Fcuk the Fear" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: Hollowfox Date: 30 May 00 - 06:24 PM In library school, many of my classes consisted of being given a list of questions, and being taught how to find the answers. One of the questions was to trace the phrase "f you" (sic) as far back as we could. We couldn't trace it back past the 1700's. The best folk etymology to come up was "Fornication Under Command of the King" (Irish response: "The English have to be told to do everything.") (I'm just passing it on as I heard it). And then there was the radio station in California that registered with the Federal Communications Commission for the call letters KCUF. The letters were approved until the advertizing started:"The Station That Does Everything Backwards". The FCC pulled the letters, of course. (No I can't verify either story, sorry) On a more scholarly note, try using the keywords "invective, cant, insult(s), slang or swearing" on a search engine. The magazine Maledicta probably has a website as well. Besides G. Legman's books, see if you can find "Wicked Words: a treasury of curses, insults, put-downs, and other formerly unprintable terms from Anglo-Saxon times to the present" (Crown Publishers, 1989) edited by Hugh Rawson. And on a lighter note, "Lost Art of Profanity" by Burgess Johnson (Bobbs-Merrill, 1948) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: Pene Azul Date: 30 May 00 - 06:05 PM Here's a fine reference: George Carlin's 2443 Dirty Words. I broke this frame out of his website, which is something of an adventure to navigate, but pretty cool. PA |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: lamarca Date: 30 May 00 - 06:02 PM I'm from the USA, and have my own inhibitions about what I feel comfortable singing (or saying) here. I'm fairly free with "shit" and "damn", but I reserve f*ck for situations when I'm REALLY upset. I sing a fair number of English songs, though, and wonder sometimes if the language in some of them would be more objectionable to people there. Are "bloody" or "bugger" considered merely inappropriate or exceptionally crude? Are the attitudes towards these words different in England vs. Scotland vs. Ireland - I know that "bloody" is referred to as "the great Australian adjective", but it's starred out in some of my Australian song texts. Can any friends from the Other Side of English help keep me from shocking the average folkie over there? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 May 00 - 05:50 PM Sometimes you need to call a feck a feck.
I can see how a digging instrument could mean something that could be viewed as being a bit dirty. Both literally, and figuratively.
But I'm not suggesting that this is the source of the English word, just that it might have fed into a feeling that it wasn't such a bad old word anyway.
I wonder whether quim might have some kind of common roots with queen, or quean? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: GUEST,me Date: 30 May 00 - 05:20 PM on a related note... do they still put the "not for airplay" stickers on CDs sent to radio stations and... this thread brings a whole new level to the word "feckless", tho "defenestration" remains my vopf word beating "micturate" by six points. peace upon thee |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: Frank McGrath Date: 30 May 00 - 04:45 PM Definition for the word feck from; "English as we speak it in Ireland" by Dr. P. Dwyer-Joyce, first printed 1910 and reprinted 1979, 1988, ISBN 0-86327-122-7, Wolfhound Press. Feck or fack; a spade. From the very old Irish word, fec, same sound and meaning. How did a digging impliment become a "nasty" word? Can anyone throw some more feckin' light on this? Now to find me some quim, in the literary sense of course. Frank |
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 May 00 - 03:33 PM The thing is, the taboos only really kick in when it comes to using the words in their dictionary meaning.
Well, anyway I knew there was something rude about "thing".
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Subject: RE: BS: Improper Language From: GUEST,Mrr Date: 30 May 00 - 12:42 PM Went to the site Pene Azul posted for the multicutlurate swearer - and my company's Internet PC Police have blocked access to the French part - but not the English! Go figure... |