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BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?

Frank McGrath 07 Jun 00 - 01:45 PM
Ebbie 07 Jun 00 - 02:02 PM
GUEST,Mrr 07 Jun 00 - 02:11 PM
Sorcha 07 Jun 00 - 02:23 PM
Rana who SHOULD be working 07 Jun 00 - 02:25 PM
Frank McGrath 07 Jun 00 - 02:26 PM
Ebbie 07 Jun 00 - 02:42 PM
The Shambles 07 Jun 00 - 02:46 PM
GUEST,Annraoi 07 Jun 00 - 02:48 PM
NEIL COMER 07 Jun 00 - 02:50 PM
GUEST,Den at work 07 Jun 00 - 03:10 PM
Mooh 07 Jun 00 - 03:14 PM
GUEST,Den at work 07 Jun 00 - 03:17 PM
Ebbie 07 Jun 00 - 03:24 PM
paddymac 07 Jun 00 - 03:30 PM
TerriM 07 Jun 00 - 04:08 PM
GUEST,Soupcat 07 Jun 00 - 04:11 PM
MMario 07 Jun 00 - 04:12 PM
Wesley S 07 Jun 00 - 04:20 PM
Jon Freeman 07 Jun 00 - 04:24 PM
McGrath of Harlow 07 Jun 00 - 05:32 PM
GUEST 07 Jun 00 - 05:34 PM
McGrath of Harlow 07 Jun 00 - 06:00 PM
keltcgrasshoppper 07 Jun 00 - 06:08 PM
SeanM 07 Jun 00 - 06:13 PM
McGrath of Harlow 07 Jun 00 - 06:19 PM
JedMarum 07 Jun 00 - 06:22 PM
Mbo 07 Jun 00 - 06:24 PM
SeanM 07 Jun 00 - 06:24 PM
GUEST 07 Jun 00 - 06:34 PM
Ebbie 07 Jun 00 - 08:59 PM
alison 07 Jun 00 - 09:40 PM
Big Mick 07 Jun 00 - 09:41 PM
Big Mick 07 Jun 00 - 09:53 PM
Duane D. 07 Jun 00 - 10:22 PM
jimbozales 07 Jun 00 - 10:29 PM
alison 07 Jun 00 - 10:36 PM
Racer 08 Jun 00 - 12:29 AM
GUEST,JTT 08 Jun 00 - 04:15 AM
GUEST,Roger the skiffler 08 Jun 00 - 04:55 AM
Gary T 08 Jun 00 - 06:09 AM
Brendy 08 Jun 00 - 06:22 AM
McGrath of Harlow 08 Jun 00 - 08:30 AM
Fiolar 08 Jun 00 - 01:20 PM
TerriM 08 Jun 00 - 02:03 PM
black walnut 08 Jun 00 - 02:10 PM
DADGBE 08 Jun 00 - 02:35 PM
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Subject: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: Frank McGrath
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 01:45 PM

Its the bloody folk music I blame.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 02:02 PM

Seriously, what does make the Irish so Irish? I have just a wee bit of Irish in me- one ancestor several generations back- but I swear it's enough to make me resonate to all things Irish. What makes the Irish so uniquely themselves? The music, the laughter, the angst, the well-developed sense of history as seen through 800-year-old eyes... Is there another country for which this is true?

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: GUEST,Mrr
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 02:11 PM

I don't know; I have been into Irish music, dance, poetry, literature, accent - you name it - forever, and then just a few years ago found out that my ancestors stopped in Ireland for a generation or two on their way from France to the New World. We're talking 1600's here. And I don't know if they just lived there, or married locals or perhaps just had their children, so I don't know if I have actual genetic input or did I just acquire the love of all things Irish in a kind of Lamarckian enviromental way... Meanwhile I wish I wish I wish I'd known that when honeymooning in Ireland, I didn't look anyone up!

So I'm not sure if it's genetic or not, but whatever it is, it sure is strong!


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: Sorcha
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 02:23 PM

I have been told that the Russians are that way, also, but have never met one, so right now it is just a rumor.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: Rana who SHOULD be working
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 02:25 PM

Do you mean Russians so Irish or Russians so Russian?

Rana


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: Frank McGrath
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 02:26 PM

Don't take this seriously, please! I'm just being a smartarse.
I warn you!
Take this thread seriously and I'll start several more with titles like;
Why are tall people so French?
Why are Eskimos so not-Japanese?
Why are condoms so bad for Partridges?
Why are bicycle clips superior musicians?
Why are nose hairs so influential?
Why are clouds so "big-white-up-in-the-sky" type thingys?
Why are thingys so..."you know"?

Or even........
What is with the American-English-Irish-French-German people who are so thin and fat and the like...?

I'm serious!


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 02:42 PM

Back off, Frank McG! You started it and I aim to continue it!

So.

Well, I chickened out and erased my thoughts. But if someone else wants to disregard Frank's dictum and pursue this, I would love it!

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: The Shambles
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 02:46 PM

I'm not going to disregard Frank's dictum.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: GUEST,Annraoi
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 02:48 PM

Simple answer. Who the Hell else would want to be us ? Annraoi


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: NEIL COMER
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 02:50 PM

Because we weren't allowed to be Irish for so long


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: GUEST,Den at work
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 03:10 PM

I'd just like to state quite catagorically, here and now that I have never seen Frank's dictum. Den (in my best Paisley voice).


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: Mooh
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 03:14 PM

In spite of the English? What was that movie where an Irishman would only join the Scots if he got to kill the English? Great line, well delivered.

A Canadian so Canadian, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: GUEST,Den at work
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 03:17 PM

That was the character Stephen in Braveheart. Den


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 03:24 PM

Gracious!

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: paddymac
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 03:30 PM

Certainly from Norman times onward, but likely prior to that as well, there has been the expression of various newcomers (invaders) becomming "more Irish than the Irish themselves". Depending on the observor, that could/would be said as either a compliment or epithet. At the usual risk of speaking in general terms, the Irish people tend to be a gregarious and genial lot, and their culture reflects that. The inverse relationship is probably also true to some extent. I hasten to add that the same can be and should be said for many other cultural/ethnic groups around the globe. There's likely more than a few theses, dissertations, books, symposia, etc, etc lurking within any serious exploration of the whys of such things.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: TerriM
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 04:08 PM

20 penalty points and 10 Hail Marys for being such a stirrer, Frank! :) Actually, if no nationality were like themselves, there couldn't be any bigotry, could there ( says she, stirring the pot a little more)?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: GUEST,Soupcat
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 04:11 PM

I'd say it has a lot to do with a simple lifestyle wherby the only care a man has, is the bread on the table and the pint of stout at the weekend's and sure if you can slip one or two in during the week all the better!!! Other countries lifestyles are much too complicated and serious....but I'm sad to say chaps that Ireland is changing...becoming very work orientated in this new tech climate and if we don't be careful we'll lose that well-developed sense of history as seen through 800-year-old eyes... that ebbie talks about. Just my threepence worth...

Soupcat


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: MMario
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 04:12 PM

Terri - bigotry respects no boundary's. It will ALWAYS find some sort of outlet. But I have it on good authority the Irish are NOT Irish. They are actually SWEDISH!


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: Wesley S
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 04:20 PM

Why are Mudcatters so Muddy??


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 04:24 PM

Well MMario, there certainly was a Scandinvian influence. Even the other side of the Irish sea, in Wales where I live, if I look out of the window of my flat, I see a hill called the Great Orme and not to far from me there is the Little Orme. I believe Orme is something like old Norse for serpent or dragon.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 05:32 PM

Right then Frank. I'm taking this thread seriously.

"What is it with these fellas from North Tipp?"

"Why do all Welsh women sing flat?"

"Why do dogs taste better than cats?"

"Is there folk after death?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 05:34 PM

Mario??? sounds itralian to me.

There are two kinds of people in this world,

The Irish and those who wish they were. :}

Dan


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 06:00 PM

Dan? That's some kind of Japanese martial arts thing isn't it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: keltcgrasshoppper
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 06:08 PM

Well I have it from the source that the Irish aren't really Irish they are Italian.. all of Europe is Italian...KGH


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: SeanM
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 06:13 PM

OK... that's it... the Penultimate Why Are Thread has been invoked.

WHY ARE PEOPLE JUST LIKE PEOPLE?

And of course, the answer:

Because the are

Thank you.

M


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 06:19 PM

Why are people the way they are?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: JedMarum
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 06:22 PM

what's the difference between a duck?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: Mbo
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 06:24 PM

"When they ask me 'What are the people like here?' I always respond 'The same as everywhere else!'"

--Goethe


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: SeanM
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 06:24 PM

Whoopsie... my eternal wisdom lacked a "y".

Damn omnipotence fails me again...

*BG*

M


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 06:34 PM

I read somewhere that Poland was Russia's Ireland. I, being of Polish extraction, was extremely flattered. It explained my affinity for the music, customs, culture and whiskey. And red haired Colleen's (it describes my wife quite well, although she is Scottish not Irish, in part, but that's another story).

Ta


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 08:59 PM

I do believe I'm being made game of. Good thing I didn't post what I first wrote! B ol' G

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: alison
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 09:40 PM

It's all the potatoes... if you eat enough... you start to develop a brogue......

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: Big Mick
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 09:41 PM

It is my considered opinion...........and I want you to know that I pondered this at great length............and while I was sittin' by the pond ponderin', I of course had a couple of creamy pints, cause ponderin' just ain't ponderin without a bit of Uncle Arthur's finest................and I only do pond's because my kidneys couldn't take lakerin' of lougherin'..........that the Oirish are so Oirish because McGrath sez so. And after I sang his condom song publically, against his sage advice, I learned that one never ignores Frank McGrath's advice.

For those of you wondering what the hell his song is about, you will have to do a forum search for one of the funniest bit of Mudcat punnery ever.

All the best,

Big Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: Big Mick
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 09:53 PM

Oh, yes, ..............would someone pass me the spuds...........dat's praties for the bog jumpers among ye.......LOL

Big Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: Duane D.
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 10:22 PM

Sure, and what's wrong with the Irish being so Irish, anyway??? Would you rather have them so bloody English???


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: jimbozales
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 10:29 PM

hello, i'm not irish but ive got an irish friend that's having a 30th party...any irish traditions i could do or use for a surprise for him?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: alison
Date: 07 Jun 00 - 10:36 PM

invite the priest!! *grin*

or make some Irish food........

i was given a great pavlova one time for St Pats... the meringue was bright green so was the cream and it was topped with green grapes and kiwi fruit... alll in the shape of a shamrock!!

better make sure he's not allergic to green food dye....

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: Racer
Date: 08 Jun 00 - 12:29 AM

I think it is the damned folk music. I got into the folk music, and as a result, I got into the history, the culture, and eventually the language (which I'm slowly trying to teach myself). With a litle research, I found out that my family has a considerable amount of Irish blood (more than half).

The name changes kind of screwed me up at first. The American attitude toward the Irish during the 1800s has cost a lot of people of their heritage I'm sure.

Just as an aside, Jeneane Garafalo, the second most cynical comedian I know of (Dennis Leary being the first) said that all of the good things everyone says about Ireland is true. After being there for a few days, she looked out of her window and said, "Oh God, not another fucking rainbow!" This is according to her comedy show.

She really liked the place.

--CS


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 08 Jun 00 - 04:15 AM

People are like the people they live with, as I realise every time I see the Americans flooding into Ireland for the summer holidays, dressed in their colourful native costume and speaking in their charming drawl.

Ireland doesn't have such a simple life any more: we're now the largest software exporter in the world, for example.

Everyone is *like* their culture. The French are tout tout Francais, the Virginians are deeply Vuhginyan, ma'yum, the New Yorkers are...well, need I go on? I reat my case.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 08 Jun 00 - 04:55 AM

According to the press, Madonna now craves the Vile Black Stuff. Do you think she'll now do for Mother McCree what she did to American Pie (and what only father McCree had done to her previously)?
Maybe her next video will see her trying Irish step dancing...
I can imagine the lyrics of her next song: "Are you pleased to see me or is that a shilleleh etc"?
My Irish grandfather remained "Irish" (whatever that is!) despite being born in India and spending all his adult life in Birmingham. Whereas I, despite 4 years in Wales and 30 years in the soft South, remain a Brummie stuck in the '50s.
Go figure!
RtS


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: Gary T
Date: 08 Jun 00 - 06:09 AM

Jed Marum has raised the only truly significant question in this thread, to wit: what's the difference between a duck?. The answer, of course, is "one leg is not both the same."


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: Brendy
Date: 08 Jun 00 - 06:22 AM

To answer Jed, and you, Gary. One of it's legs is both the same


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Jun 00 - 08:30 AM

I couldn't give a duck meself either way.


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: Fiolar
Date: 08 Jun 00 - 01:20 PM

You lot are all mad Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: TerriM
Date: 08 Jun 00 - 02:03 PM

That's it....every single one of you, out of the Gene Pool!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: black walnut
Date: 08 Jun 00 - 02:10 PM

My grandfather on my dad's side was from Dublin. He stowed away on a boat, with a friend of his, at the ripe old age of 14, and settled in Canada. He dropped the O' from the front of his last name, to fit in better, I guess, or so they couldn't find his parents....

His wife was English, and the other two are of German decent, but for some reason (could it be the last name I inherited from the Dublin Grandpa?) I feel more strongly Irish than anything else. It was inevitable that I would end up with a Celtic harp and tin whistle along life's road.....

~black walnut


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: DADGBE
Date: 08 Jun 00 - 02:35 PM

For Blacky O'Walnut and the other assorted nuts on this thread:

"The Irish, taken as a race, are much slower than a formula 1 grand prix; not unlike the Slovenes in this regard. Along with other peoples who crossed the great Arctic land bridge without paying the toll, they settled in parts of Central America and the Bronx..." from Professer Norman Conquest's germinal work, "Who They Is And Who Cares"


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: black walnut
Date: 08 Jun 00 - 04:22 PM

!

~o'nut


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Jun 00 - 04:43 PM

Tilda O'Nut is it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Why are the Irish so Irish?
From: black walnut
Date: 08 Jun 00 - 04:47 PM

Matilda, but you can call me ~.


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