Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: Georgiansilver Date: 17 Feb 22 - 02:24 PM https://youtu.be/enUvO0SdLfw |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST,Jim Crutchfield Date: 16 Feb 22 - 07:52 PM In a recording of the "Goon Show" from the late 1950s, Bernard Miles sings, Wur be yon blackbird to? I know wur 'e be. 'E sees I and I sees 'e, And 'e knows I be a'er 'e. Wur be yon blackbird to? Up yon wurzel tree! The tune is very close to that of "Where Did You Get That Hat", a Vaudeville song from 1888. As somebody has mentioned, "wurzel" usually refers to the mangel-wurzel, which is a large root vegetable, not a tree (or bush). A blackbird, however, is sometimes called an ousel (pronounced "oozel"), and in some dialects, I think, a wousel (or, if you prefer, woozle, pronounced the same way). "Wousel" could easily have become "wurzel". It seems slightly less improbable that a tree with an ousel in it might be called a "wousel tree" than that a mangel-wurzel might be mistaken for a tree. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST,Paddy, in Coningsby. Date: 05 Oct 18 - 03:53 PM I was brought up near Stroud, Gloucestershire. In the 60's and early 70's, I remember this song being sung in many of the local pubs. During the annual pub outing (usually to the South Coast), it was customary to stop at two or three pubs on the way home (as well as drinking on the bus). It seemed that each village had a version of the song, with verses unfamiliar to us. The chorus was invariably something like: 'I spied 'e, 'e spied I, called I a bugger and a liar. When I find yon Blackbird's nest, I'll set the bugger on fire'. I've always thought that the many variations of the song would merit a book. The 'Where....to?' versions would surely have their origins in Devon, where 'where....to?' Is a common usage. We didn't use it in Gloucestershire. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST,Paul Carling Date: 02 Jun 18 - 05:55 PM As a boy in Somerset in the 1950s I learnt the following. Whur be thik blackbird be? I know whur e be. E be up thik Wurzel tree and I be ar'er e. E sees I and I sees e, and he knows I be ar'er e. Wi' a bloody girt stick I'll knock e down, blackbird I hav e. 'Thik' is pronounced with a short 'th' As country folk often netted blackbirds and thrushes for food up to the 1st war (and sometime afterwards I guess), it is possible they were also knocked down. Rook breast meat was also used in pies - I came across somebody cooking rook pie in the English Lake District in the 1970s. Hence the reference to blackbird pie in some versions. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST Date: 24 Sep 16 - 04:03 AM I heard a version from a bloke from Lowerstoft. I see the blackbird fly I know where he be He be up yon olly tree He see I and I see he He know I be after E |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST,Mike Yates Date: 09 Mar 16 - 10:59 AM A version of this song, collected in the 1960's from the Cantwell Family of Standlake in Oxfordshire, can be heard on the Musical Traditions CD "I Wish There Was No Prisons" (MTCD372). |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST,MartinU Date: 09 Mar 16 - 10:30 AM Some time in the early 70s I bought an old reel-to-reel tape recorder and somewhere on the tape was this song, though the lyrics were slightly different: Where be that blackbird be? Where be that blackbird be? 'E be up yon wurzel tree And Oi be aafter 'e. 'E sees me, and Oi sees 'e. Underneath yon wurzel tree With bloody big stick Oi wallop 'e Blackbird, I'll 'ave' e'. Sung in an exaggerated fake-Devon "Wurzels" accent. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST,Moonraker Date: 30 Jun 15 - 02:55 PM It was regularly sung in a pub in Liddington on Saturday nights throughout the 1970 's. Be I Basset(Wotton Basset) be I buggery. I comes up from Wareham I got a wife with calico drawers and I knows how to tear em. The fly the fly the fly be on the turnip etc. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST Date: 09 Jun 13 - 01:26 PM I'm very dubious about claims that the song "is said to be .." etc. Who says and what is the evidence? I suspect that it is a relatively modern song. We can trace it back to the 50s, thanks to Bob Copper but are there any earlier versions. It's not the sort of thing that "serious" folksong collectors would have noted (but they should have done). Tradsinger |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST,james rogers Date: 09 Jun 13 - 08:34 AM This song may have a rather grisly background -- dating back six centuries or so. The blackbird referred to is said to be a black-cloaked Catholic priest hiding in a priest's hole. If Henry's Protestants find him, they will burn him alive. Of course, it's just a noisy pub song now. But some of the menace remained when I first heard the Gloucestershire version performed about sixty years ago. The word bugger may have been used literally. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: G-Force Date: 25 Sep 12 - 09:29 AM The song was quoted by Bob Copper in his book 'Songs and Summer Breezes', which is all stuff he collected for the BBC back in the 1950's, so predates Adge Cutler & The Wurzels at least. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST,Poolegirl Date: 25 Sep 12 - 06:46 AM When I was young in the 50s in Poole our family version went Whur be thic blackbird to I know where un be 'Er's in thic wurzle bush A-making eyes at me |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: bubblyrat Date: 22 Nov 11 - 09:02 AM Of course ! Adge Cutler and The Wurzels were , like Silly Wizard , very popular in Germany ! Well , probably . |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: Nigel Parsons Date: 22 Nov 11 - 07:43 AM From (that highly acclaimed source of erudition) Wikipaedia Wurzel is the German word for root and may refer to: Würzel, an English musician The Wurzels, an English band Mangelwurzel, a root vegetable primarily used as cattle-fodder I only knew to check for the German origin as the church choir is currently practising: "Lo, how a rose upspring on tender root has grown" or: "Es ist ein Ros entsprungen, aus einer Wurzel zart. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: bubblyrat Date: 22 Nov 11 - 06:49 AM Perhaps one should mention here that the " Wurzel" referred to in not only the song , in all its various regional forms , but in the falsely-named "Wurzel Tree " and the eponymous musical ensemble , is ,in fact , a ground growing , turnip-like vegetable used for A) cattle and pig fodder and B) a growing international sporting activity . This amazingly versatile vegetable , properly the Mangold Wurzel or Mangel Wurzel ( Beeta Vulgaris Vulgaris ) ,is used in the sport of "Mangold Hurling " , which involves throwing or "hurling" the Wurzels as far as possible whilst standing with one's feet in a wicker basket ,preferably whilst under the influence of cider. Further details and the complex rules of the sport ,which has apparently become popular in Ohio , can be gleaned and garnered from www.mangoldhurling.co.uk . Enjoy !! |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 22 Nov 11 - 04:58 AM The Brits I learned it had an audience responce kicker of: How's ya fadder? ALRIGHT How's ya mudder? A SIGHT How's ya sister? SHE'S TIGHT How's ya brudder? HE MIGHT
Sincerely, They loved to get the Somerset Wurzel to tell a story about how they castrated piglets by ripping them off with their teeth. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST,Patsy Date: 22 Nov 11 - 02:43 AM Bristol had also taken this song as their own. Adge Cutler had quite a following in Bristol back then we were considered to be Zummerzet rather than South Gloucestershire he mentioned verious landmarks like 'Barrow Gurney' in his songs so Bristol people took him to their hearts as did the song 'Whur be yon blackbird to' which took on a more Bristoleze dialect. Whur be yon blackbird to, I know whur ee be, Ee be up yon wurzel tree, And I be after 'ee', Now ee sees I and I sees ee, Bugger if I don't catchun, With a gurt big stick Ill knockun down, Blackbird Ill 'ave 'ee.' |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST,Sam Dare Date: 21 Nov 11 - 07:22 PM This song is not origionally by the wurzels! I remember my grand father singing a version of this to me when I was a boy many years before the wurzels brought out a version with slightly different words! My grandfather was origionally from south Devon and this song is a traditional west country folk song/ nursery rhyme. The origional song lyrics as far as I remember are: Where be that blackbird to I know where he be. He be in yonder tree and I be at'er he. I be at'er he all day and he be at'er me. Where be that blackbird to I know where he be. There may have been other verses but this was the origional west country song long before the wurzels used it in there song! |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST,EcoVillen Date: 13 Jan 11 - 11:57 PM We used to sing a version in the Union Bar. It went: Be I Berkshire, be I b*ggery I comes up from Wareham Where all the girls wear calico drawers And I knows how to tear 'em So rip my knickers away, away, Rip my knickers away. I don't care what becomes of me As long as you play with my sea you enn tea. So rip my knickers away, away, Rip my knickers away. Round the back Round the front Round the crack Round the c**t Rip my knickers away. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST,HOBOCORE Date: 12 Oct 08 - 01:15 PM I just heard this song two days ago on an old Chaos UK tape and came across this thread. I am having a hell of a time trying to find their lyrics to it. I have to say their version is great and thanks for turning me on to The Wurels! |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST,Dale from Down Under Date: 22 May 08 - 02:41 PM "Hampshire" was the version I knew. I came to this website (from New Zealand) while Googling for the phrase "calico drawers", as I wanted to see if there were any more verses to the one sung to me in 1969 on board ship going to the UK. Imagine a drunken Englishman singing this verse under the moonlight and the tropic stars, with the phosphorescence on the water, etc etc. Not quite as romantic as the occasion demanded, somehow! Be I 'ampshire Be I buggery I comes up from Wareham Where all the girls wears calico drawers And I knows how to tear 'em. I also saw the blackbird song printed on tourist tat in Dorset in the early 70s before the Wurzels recorded it, so it was around at the time. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST,Terry McDonald Date: 08 May 08 - 08:40 AM Down here in Dorset it's always been 'be I 'ampshire', not Berkshire, and as Wareham's a Dorset town it must be correct......... |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST,Edthefolkie Date: 08 May 08 - 07:50 AM Re Tradsinger's Gloucestershire version, I once heard a politically incorrect version of the final stanza to the tune of "Yankee Doodle": Be I Berkshire, be I b*ggery I comes up from Wareham Where all the girls wear calico drawers And I knows how to tear 'em I seem to remember that this was during a drunken 2 hour lunch in a Young's pub in Croydon about 35 years ago. The Folk Process in action eh? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST Date: 08 May 08 - 07:07 AM This was, and likely still is, the favorite drinking (drunken) song of Alex Everitt, well-respected Mousehole jeweler and 80s Hawaii party animal and roommate. The more Alex drank, the less intelligible his delightful Cornwall "English" became. I committed these ridiculous lyrics to memory so I could sing/scream along when we were both in our cups. So very many brain cells departed in this grand fashion that it's a wonder these words remain! One to the blackbird then, boys! Wur be that blackbird to I know wur e be E be in yon wurzel tree 'N uzn 're a'er e E see I, 'n I see e Wi'a bloody great stick I'll 'ammer e Blackbird, I'll 'ave e Oggie oggie oggie! Oy oy oy! Oggie! Oy! Oggie! Repeat with ever increasing volume and gusto until you are forced to stop singing it due to uncontrollable vomiting, being assaulted, being evicted, being arrested, or passing out. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST Date: 05 Jun 07 - 04:25 AM I heard another version, which goes: I know where yon blackbird be, bugger He be up yon wurzel tree, bugger I sees 'e, bugger 'E sees me, bugger Buggered if we don't sees each other, bugger ...Blackbird, I loves thee, bugger
Thanks. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: Big Jim from Jackson Date: 24 May 07 - 11:56 AM For the 'catters monitoring this thread and not quite sure what the heck it's all about: I stumbled across this and other songs by a group called the Wurzels. I play it on occasion on my radio show. If you want to hear music made by people having a great time, I suggest that you go to eBay and pick up a copy of some of their albums. I have the greatest fun listening to them and trying to "translate" their songs into "English"! I really enjoy The Wurzels, Shag Connors and the Carrot Crunchers, et al. Here in southeast Missouri their recordings are hard to come by. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST,Terry McDonald Date: 24 May 07 - 08:39 AM Greg - that's very similar to the version I learned in 1950s Dorset, apart from an opening line of 'Where be yon blackbird to?' and the penultimate line which was 'With a bloody gurt stick I'll knock ee down.' |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: greg stephens Date: 24 May 07 - 08:27 AM In the interest of completeness, here it is as on Exmoor (N. Devon) version from my childhood c 1955? Yonder blackbrd where be ee I know where 'ee be ee be up yon wurzel tree An' I be after ee Now ee sees I And I sees ee And ee knows I be after ee With a bloody gurt stick I'll 'ammer ee Blackbird I'll 'ave ee. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 23 May 07 - 10:19 PM Tradsinger
A most welcome twist (and probably closer to trad) to the thread ...I exchanged a tape of "Beach Boys" surf songs for....this one.
Sincerely,
Still seeking six-degrees. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: Morticia Date: 23 May 07 - 06:13 PM 'Where it be to?' not too. Now I live in the rurality of Wiltshire, I hear this phrase used all the time. 'Where 'e be to, then?' has become part of my vocabulary. As for the Glos. version of The Blackbird, it 'ave 'bout foive songs innit, dunnit? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: Tradsinger Date: 23 May 07 - 03:28 PM You're all wrong - it's a Gloucestershire song! Here's how they used to sing it round here: I know where there's a blackbird's nest I know where 'e be 'E be up yon wurzel tree And I be after 'e 'E spies i and I spies 'e. He calls me a bugger and liar When I reach that blackbird's nest, I'll set the bugger on fire. Working on the farm, four and twenty years You can't take a rise out of I But there yent no birds on this yere farm Can hide their nests from I. I wish I was back home in Gloucester Where all they birds do flock round I I'd clap my hands and laugh like buggery Just to see they blackbirds fly. Be I Gloucestershire, be I buggery I comes up from Wareham My old girl has fourteen kids And she knows how to rare 'em And they calls I Buttercup Joe. Check that out! |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST,Terry McDonald Date: 23 May 07 - 01:47 PM Sorry about your bogeling iron - sounds painful, MuddleC, but given that the majority of the population of Newfoundland is of West of England origin (60:40 English to Irish), perhaps it's not so surprising! |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: MuddleC Date: 23 May 07 - 12:19 PM I remember hearing Agde Cutler singing 'the blackbird' and 'drink up thee cider', ...always reminds me of my haymaking pitchfork exploits on the somerset levels. But to find the words on the 'songs of Newfoundland and labrador' site... fair wurdles my bogeling iron |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: Liz the Squeak Date: 22 May 07 - 05:23 PM I knew there was an M in there somewhere!! I just remember my brother hated it and turned the radio off whenever it came on. LTS |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST,Terry McDonald Date: 22 May 07 - 02:02 PM It was Melanie. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: Liz the Squeak Date: 22 May 07 - 12:12 PM I've got a brand new combine harvester, I'll give you the key, C'mon now, let's git together in perfect harmony. I've got 20 acres, and you've got 43. Oh, I've got a brand new combine harvester, I'll give you the key. It was a parody of a song 'I've got a brand new pair of rollerskates', the original singer of which I've forgotten but could be Joni Mitchell. LTS |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST,jo Guest Date: 22 May 07 - 11:10 AM can some one help me I am sorting a clue out for a treasure hunt quiz and the combine harvester song is in there but I need the part of the song that goes yourve got 20 ares and I ve go.... can some one help me out whats the exact wording please?? |
Subject: RE: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST, GEST Date: 28 Jul 03 - 07:32 PM Where Be It Blackbird To? Where Be It Blackbird To?
Where be it blackbird to? I know where he be,
All me life I'm on the farm, workin' for me keep,
Where be it blackbird to? I know where he be,
Underneath the open sky in spring we likes to dine,
Where be it blackbird to? I know where he be,
If I goes out poachin', a creepin' through the fields,
Where be it blackbird to? I know where he be,
No longer can I sleep at night, get peace of any kind,
Where be it blackbird to? I know where he be, http://nfldsongs.tripod.com/ (song text copy-pasted by Joe Offer) |
Subject: RE: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 27 Jul 03 - 11:35 PM I take it back....I heard it from a Somerset lad...a true Wurzel...that taught me about scrumpy!!!
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Subject: RE: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 27 Jul 03 - 11:33 PM Jumpin' Jehosephat!
I have not hear that song - since I first heard it be, in 1973! Heard it from a chap from The Isle of Jersey!
Thank You! Ten Bears!
Sincerely, |
Subject: RE: lyrics for Where Be Blackbird To (title? From: Sorcha Date: 27 Jul 03 - 09:31 PM if you have a paid version of Noteworthy you can get sheet music from that. |
Subject: RE: lyrics for Where Be Blackbird To (title? From: GUEST,nanasdaughter Date: 27 Jul 03 - 08:52 PM I FOUND IT!! its at http://nfldsongs.tripod.com and its under song titles A - G listed as The Blackbird (in th B section) It was recorded by the Wurzels. Now if I could find the sheet music..... |
Subject: RE: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST,tenbears Date: 27 Jul 03 - 08:15 PM This is the fullest version sung as a variety chant by my friend Max from Barnstable in the early seventies. It was called the Dorset national anthem! Be I Zummerset -be I buggery Us comes up from Wareham Where all the girls wear calico drawers And us knows how to tear em! Where be that blackbird now? I know where he be! Ee be in yon worzel bush A lookin down on me Well Ee sees I and I sees ee And I says what a bugger ee be With a bloody girt stick I'll knock im down -Blackbird I'll ave ye! You make fast -I make fast Make fast the dinghy- You make fast kiss my arse Make fast the dinghy And we'll all go back to Oggie land To Oggie land - to Oggie land! And we'll all go back to Oggie land Where they can't tell sugar from - Tissue paper, tissue paper, marmalade and jam! |
Subject: RE: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST,gelfling Date: 15 Oct 02 - 10:41 AM my father, from devon, used to sing this to me in his broadest accent to make me laugh, when i was small. oddly though - perhaps for my young ears? - he changed the last line to "blackbird, i loves 'ee!" |
Subject: RE: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST,A Somerset Family!!! Date: 14 Oct 02 - 04:59 PM As far as we know, the song goes like this.... Where be that blackbird to? I know where he be, He be up yon wurzel tree And I be a'der he And he sees I And I see he Buggered if I don't get 'im With a gurt big stick I'll knock 'im down, Blackbird, I'll av ee Lalalalalalaa, lalalalalalaa, 'owz your father? ALRIGHT! |
Subject: RE: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: Skipjack K8 Date: 13 Jun 00 - 04:38 AM Don't put your trust in the aunthenticity of Poldark! One of the howlers I remember was the slug-like cleric played by Christopher Biggins being dragged to his death by his horse. Trouble was his right foot was in the left stirrup, so he must've been riding back to front! Oh, but Demelza!!!! Regards Skipjack (ex resident of Somerset, where all the stockbrokers have forgotten the words) |
Subject: RE: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST,Liz the Squeak Date: 13 Jun 00 - 02:37 AM It is a Somerset song, the Wurzels (post Adge Cutler) recorded it and it actually became a hit record. I have it somewhere, and I have played it at some point in the last 10 years!..
'Ee sees I, I sees 'ee, LTS |
Subject: RE: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Date: 12 Jun 00 - 03:48 PM Ee be in yon awthorne bush and I be ar'ter Ee are the only words I remember sorry.. Yours, Aye. Dave |
Subject: RE: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: GUEST,Dodge Date: 12 Jun 00 - 02:54 PM This song is sometimes claimed to be the "Somerset National Anthem". (For the benefit of non-UK residents, Somerset is a county in England). This is the version that I know: Where be that blackbird to? I know where 'e be! 'E be in yon wurzel bush An' I be a'ter 'e! Well, 'e sees I, an' I sees 'e, An' 'e knows I be a'ter 'e, With a bloody girt stick, I'll clobber 'e! Blackbird, I'll 'ave 'e! N.B. girt=great clobber=hit (q.v Unix, noclobber) |
Subject: RE: 'Whur be yon blackbird too?' From: Grab Date: 12 Jun 00 - 02:34 PM The version I know is the same as Mike's, except the 2nd-to-last verse goes:- "With a great big stick I'll knock 'e down" Grab.
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