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sledge 09 Jun 00 - 03:43 AM
Gervase 09 Jun 00 - 04:08 AM
sledge 09 Jun 00 - 04:24 AM
Dave (the ancient mariner) 09 Jun 00 - 05:26 AM
Tony Burns 09 Jun 00 - 07:06 AM
A Wandering Minstrel 09 Jun 00 - 08:07 AM
Tony Burns 09 Jun 00 - 12:52 PM
TerriM 09 Jun 00 - 02:19 PM
GUEST,Mrr 09 Jun 00 - 02:24 PM
GUEST,Banjo Johnny 09 Jun 00 - 03:25 PM
kendall 09 Jun 00 - 08:26 PM
A Wandering Minstrel 12 Jun 00 - 08:54 AM
sledge 12 Jun 00 - 09:30 AM
GUEST,Dave 12 Jun 00 - 09:37 AM
GUEST,Timbrel 12 Jun 00 - 12:10 PM
Ringer 12 Jun 00 - 01:31 PM
Wincing Devil 12 Jun 00 - 01:45 PM
Kim C 12 Jun 00 - 05:22 PM
Wotcha 12 Jun 00 - 06:15 PM
GUEST,Dave (the ancient mariner at work) 12 Jun 00 - 08:03 PM
A Wandering Minstrel 13 Jun 00 - 10:14 AM
GUEST,Barry Finn 13 Jun 00 - 03:44 PM
Margo 13 Jun 00 - 05:26 PM
Dave (the ancient mariner) 13 Jun 00 - 06:52 PM
GUEST,Matthew - the Chantyman 13 Jun 00 - 07:23 PM
Wincing Devil 13 Jun 00 - 07:31 PM
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sledge 14 Jun 00 - 03:17 AM
Gervase 14 Jun 00 - 04:20 AM
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tgreenie 15 Jun 00 - 12:13 AM
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Mark Cohen 15 Jun 00 - 03:33 AM
Dave (the ancient mariner) 15 Jun 00 - 08:17 AM
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Subject: sea shanties
From: sledge
Date: 09 Jun 00 - 03:43 AM

After listening to sea shanties, do others out there get the urge to drop everything, sign onto a square rigger (if one's handy) and develop scurvey.

Tatoo's become rather attractive as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: Gervase
Date: 09 Jun 00 - 04:08 AM

It's one of my longest-held ambitions to sail on a square-rigger. I remember once watching the tall ships' race as it passed Yarmouth a dozen years or so back and the urge to run away to sea was almost irresistible. There's something about a ship under sail that stirs the blood in a way no filthy diesel burner ever could. (closes eyes and dreams of the smell of tar, the creak of ropes....if only...)


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: sledge
Date: 09 Jun 00 - 04:24 AM

Several, no make that many years ago, I spent a week on a large schooner, my berth was in a part of ship called the puke-atorium. Despite its name I used to get a good nights sleep and eat like a horse.

The whole experiance ranks as one of my most treasured memories, especially the moment when we passed a similar vessel also under full sail, a rare moment outside of the tall ships race.

Hell of a nostalgia attack, now wheres that parrot and wooden leg.


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 09 Jun 00 - 05:26 AM

Aye, there's a hundred and fifty coming to Halifax in July and I'm joining them on the water mates. Wonderfull sight a ship fully rigged and sailing.. Yours, Aye. Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: Tony Burns
Date: 09 Jun 00 - 07:06 AM

There are 2 square riggers that sail out of Toronto (Canada). Their main purpose is as 'training ships' for youth. A few times a year they have adult weekends. I've signed on three times and had a great time on each 'voyage'.

Anyone who thinks the Great Lakes might be tamer than the rolling sea may be in for a surprise. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: A Wandering Minstrel
Date: 09 Jun 00 - 08:07 AM

Damn right

The only way to really know the pace for a shanty is to have tailed on a halyard and hauled til the "blood red roses" come.

Alas there are so few square riggers about that you can sail on but if you get the chance don't hesitate. Also signing on as a shantyman gets you out of some of that capstan-heaving

I hear that scurvy costs extra these days :-)

If you find the urge getting strong then try singing Tom Lewis' "The Last Shanty" to calm you down


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: Tony Burns
Date: 09 Jun 00 - 12:52 PM

Here's a link to The Last Shanty


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: TerriM
Date: 09 Jun 00 - 02:19 PM

I am constantly threatening to run away to sea and be a cabin boy, in the very best tradition of course...
Then I'll put up my yellow hair
Men's clothing I'll put on

sadly, I puke in a rowing boat but it's nice to dream.


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: GUEST,Mrr
Date: 09 Jun 00 - 02:24 PM

I kinda liked the idea of being the Man Before The Mast...


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: GUEST,Banjo Johnny
Date: 09 Jun 00 - 03:25 PM

There's nothing like a voyage on a square rigger. But it's a lot like being in a maximum security prison, with the additional prospect of drowning.

Love those chanteys!


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: kendall
Date: 09 Jun 00 - 08:26 PM

Man against the sea you say?? I conceded years ago. It started with a number 9 sea in the Davis Straits back in '53.


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: A Wandering Minstrel
Date: 12 Jun 00 - 08:54 AM

To the young lady with nautical ambitions. Dont forget the fate of "the Handsome Cabin Boy"


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: sledge
Date: 12 Jun 00 - 09:30 AM

I'm currently learning a shanty called "fire maringo", this is described as a cotton screwing shanty. What the hell is a cotton screwing shanty. Anyone shed any light.


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 12 Jun 00 - 09:37 AM

I suspect that it is a shanty used while hoisting cotton bales aboard ship. Cotton bales weigh upwards of 500 lbs, and there has to be a bunch of them to make it worth while for a ship to take them as cargo, thus hard work that seems like it never ends.

Dave in NH


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: GUEST,Timbrel
Date: 12 Jun 00 - 12:10 PM

In order to load the bales into the ship, they actually did screw them into place to jam-pack the most possible cotton into the hull. Cotton-screwing was often done in the south by slaves and african-american longshoremen, so their music became one of the major influences on chanteys.

In "Highland Laddie" there's a verse:
Was you ever in Moblie Bay
Screwing Cotton all the day?...


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: Ringer
Date: 12 Jun 00 - 01:31 PM

That'll be 150 square-rigged ships coming to Halifax, Yorkshire, England, in July, will it, Dave the Ancient Mariner? All down the Leeds-Liverpool canal?


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: Wincing Devil
Date: 12 Jun 00 - 01:45 PM

Ahoy, there matey!

If it be Sea Chanteys ye be longin' fer, and you drop anchor in the Washington DC Area, check out the monthly Sea Chantey Sings at The Royal Mile Pubin Wheaton, MD, or the Hard Times Cafe in Alexandria, VA. The Royal Mile Pub will next host a sing on Tuesday, July 11'th from 8ish til everybody staggers out. (Usually the Royal Mile sing is held on the first Tuesday of the month, but for this month only (1st Tuesday is July 4th), The sing will be held on the second Tuesday. The Sing at the Hard Times Cafe is held on the 3rd Tuesday of the month.

Now shinny on up thru the lubber's hole before I keelhauls ya! AAAARRRGGHH!

Wincing_Devil
For a man to truly understand rejection, he must first be ignored by a cat.


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: Kim C
Date: 12 Jun 00 - 05:22 PM

Aw man, I love shanties! Have several CDs worth. Don't really know why as I am quite afraid of the ocean, even though I have sailed in it and swam in it and all that. It's just that the ocean is so big, and, well, I'm so goshdarn little. There's critters down there we humans ain't never seen before.

Nonetheless I am fascinated by tall ships and would love to go on one. My husband's uncle, who used to be in the Navy, said, maybe you could take a trip as a workaway. But don't expect them to cut you any slack just because you're a girlie!


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: Wotcha
Date: 12 Jun 00 - 06:15 PM

Wincing Devil,
And I was planning on flying back from Kuwait ("It's time to go now, Haul away your anchor ...)just for the sing on the 4th ... oh well, better go see the Constellation lit up by fireworks in the Inner Harbor.

And folks, don't forget OPSAIL 2000 coming to a seaport near you ...

Cheers
Allahmadallah
Brian


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: GUEST,Dave (the ancient mariner at work)
Date: 12 Jun 00 - 08:03 PM

Halifax Nova Scotia the second largest natural harbour in the world mate... Alisom and Spider Tom live next to the largest I believe... I could only get as far as Manchester in Lancashire on my ships Bald Eagle.. LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: A Wandering Minstrel
Date: 13 Jun 00 - 10:14 AM

Ahoy there Wincing Devil!

Only a landsman would use the lubbers hole. We topmen hang back on the shrouds!

So for the truly knowledgable How many ropes are there on a full rigged sailing barque?


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: GUEST,Barry Finn
Date: 13 Jun 00 - 03:44 PM

An add on to cotton screwing. As it turns out, further research has been now leaning towards white sailors (see Doerflinger) did most of the cotton screwing (with Jack Screws) than did the black freeman or slave, during the colder months. If the cotton in the hold got wet & it would then swell, there has been loss of lives & ships due to the swelling causing the seams to open on the planking & decking. Barry


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: Margo
Date: 13 Jun 00 - 05:26 PM

How many ropes are there on a full rigged sailing barque? How about none. Lots of lines, though. Haha, Margo


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 13 Jun 00 - 06:52 PM

spontaneous combustion was a big hazard when carrying cotton too! One Bell Rope was the standard answer to the other question.. Yours, Aye. Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: GUEST,Matthew - the Chantyman
Date: 13 Jun 00 - 07:23 PM

If you have the urge to go to sea, do it! I've been able to sing and sail my way up and down the Pacific Coast. It's never too late either. I know of sailors who ran away after retiring. So get out your copy of Stan Hugill and get going!

By the way, other than the bell rope, there are footropes and tiller ropes.


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: Wincing Devil
Date: 13 Jun 00 - 07:31 PM

If anyone's intersted in sailing on a full rigged ship, here's the vacation of a lifetime: The Tall Ship Californian offers 3 day cruises for only $150.00 a day, plus you work your ass off.

I'd go in a heartbeat if I had the time/$$$

Wincing Devil
Sphynx cat sleeping on your shoulder... The only wear to wear leather!


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 13 Jun 00 - 07:43 PM

Guest Matthew the Chantyman, technically they had other names like "Ratlines" for example; but a rope by any other name is still a rope.Including "Bolt ropes" on sails right? Yours,(lets not get too technical) Aye. Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: sledge
Date: 14 Jun 00 - 03:17 AM

The feelings I expressed about the sea when I started this thread are quite real. Even after the best part of the last 20 years has been spent next to, on or even under the sea I still love it, 5 minutes walk from my house and I am at the waters edge.

Cheers for the info on cotton screwing.

I fully expect to "feel the wind in the rigging as we sail along"! before too much longer, but I have to sign off now for a few days so here's to some faie weather and good sailing shipmates.

Sledge


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: Gervase
Date: 14 Jun 00 - 04:20 AM

A dangerous thing, a love of the sea. Just after signing off from the Mudcat last night I was rung to be told that a good friend had gone down off the Shetland trying a single-handed round Britain voyage.
He's 55, has done the Atlantic single-handed and is a bloody good sailor, but it seem that on this, his last big adventure, the sea had got the better of him.
The wind was blowing up to Force 9 and the waves were 25ft and more. For an hour I honestly believed John was dead, his fabulous wife was a widow and he'd never see the third child she's carrying. Then the unbelievably good news came through that a coastguard helicopter had located his boat and was winching him up.
John's now OK, but I don't want to go through another hour like that. And, however romantic it is to travel under sail, thank god we now have EPIRBs and all the other gadgets and gizmos to make it that bit safer.


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: GUEST,andrea
Date: 14 Jun 00 - 05:36 PM

Wandering Minstrel? Is that you, Mr. LoVine?


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: GUEST,andrea
Date: 14 Jun 00 - 05:45 PM

And, Dave, Matthew's right about the footropes. Those are what you stand on (which are swung under the yard) while you're working with the sail on that yard. Ratlines are strung between shrouds, and those you climb up to get to said yard.

Six ropes: tiller rope, bell rope, bolt rope, footrope, bucket rope, man rope. At least on one brig I know of...


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: tgreenie
Date: 15 Jun 00 - 12:13 AM

hOW ABOUT A TOW ROPE, TOO? I LOVE THE SONGS OF THE SEA. BUT ELEPHANT BUTTE IN A SMALL SUMMER SQUALL, ON A PARTY BARGE CALLED THE SUN RA KON TU, GOT THE BEST O' ME. STILL HAVE THE WIDE BRIMMED HAT THAT POP'S RIGHT UP INTO FULL WIND IN THE FACE POSITION AFTER THREE YEARS


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: Rollo
Date: 15 Jun 00 - 02:18 AM

Okay.. did you do a joky wandering minstrel?

about the ropes on a full rigged sailing barque?

I do not know the english system of classifying ships, but in german there is no thing as a full rigged sailing barque, because a ship might be a "Vollschiff" (full rigged) with a cross mast on the back or a "Bark" (Barque) with a Besane Mast on the back, which means there are no raes but only a kind of "schooner sail" on it.


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 15 Jun 00 - 03:33 AM

Reading this thread while listening to Joni Mitchell's "The Dawntreader" on WKSU.org, and remembering the time I got to take the helm of a 65' gaff-rigged schooner, "Crusader", under sail for a glorious afternoon in the San Juan Islands (Washington State). She was built in 1926, the year my late father was born. Not quite a square-rigger, but the sound of the breeze in the sails, the creak of the masts, and the feel of that living boat under my hands -- what a day...

Aloha,
Mark


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 15 Jun 00 - 08:17 AM

Andrea. "What I said was A rope by another name is still a rope" "Different ships, different long splices Mate" we should not get too technical. The Foot ropes you are refering to are known as Horses and of course that would depend on your country of origin and if you are Merchant Service or a Naval Seaman. I would refer you to my ancestors book "A Young Sea Officers Sheet Anchor" a key to Leading,Rigging and Practical Seamanship" (1808 Darcy Lever)
There are: Top Ropes, Buoy Ropes, Yard Ropes, Rope Bands, Sheet Rope Spankers etc etc ad nauseum Yours, Aye. Dave Lever


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: A Wandering Minstrel
Date: 15 Jun 00 - 11:00 AM

No I don't think Im anyone called LoVine???

I am amazed at the response to the old rope chestnut. Which dave the mariner got right in 1 (the only rope actually called a rope is the one on the bell) the rest are all hayards, fiddlestrings, braces etc etc.

Rollo I use the word barque or barky like most english sailors would to indicate a full rigged ship with three masts.

and that takes me to the bitter end :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 02:10 PM

Just listened to some clips of the Cromer Smugglers on another site. Very nice group and good sea songs; they support the RNLI which makes them all saints.

Yours, Aye. Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: sea shanties
From: Chanteyranger
Date: 17 Jun 00 - 02:35 AM

There are many opportunities to work on sailing ships at sea. These include The HMS Rose, the HMS Bounty, Washington State's historic ship Lady Washington, Pennsylvania's state historic ship Niagra, and many others. You don't have to live in their home states to crew on them. You just need to be willing to work very hard, be a cooperative shipmate, and "learn the ropes." (I know, I know, they're lines, but that's the phrase). Crewing aboard a sailing ship is like being in a love-hate relationship. You often curse the relentless hard work and lack of proper sleep, but you also get an incredible sense of freedom and accomplishment, and dedication to the ship and to yor shipmates. You learn that you can do things you thought you were incapable of doing, like climbing aloft in the rigging. The self-esteem building and the friendships, plus the places you get to go to can't be beat!


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