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Subject: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: GUEST,Sam Pirt Date: 11 Jun 00 - 05:33 AM Hi Do you know of any CD's out there that coul;d perhaps be expressed as experimental folk music? if so who are they, did it seem to work? what is the Cd and how could I get it if I wanted to listen to it? This is a request for any artists who use primerily folk as there base but then experiment with a range of different musics or their approach. I aq;lready have Kimmo Pheonnen 'Kilelo' album in which he approaches the accordion in a new light, I have Lars Hollmer who approach is completly different. I have a CD by Entili called 'Enteli Live' In which the use free form Jazz as there other music with which to merge with the swedish traditions. Hope you catters can help Cheers, Sam |
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: sledge Date: 11 Jun 00 - 05:54 AM The double CD "Red rice" from Eliza Carthy might be a fair bet. The first CD is fairly traditional, it's the second CD that contains the more unusual material. A good buy at any rate as the price seems to have been kept down |
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: GUEST,The Burren Ranger Date: 11 Jun 00 - 06:07 AM Try 'Songs From My Funeral' by Snakefarm on BMG. 21st Cent. arrangements of 'House of The Rising Sun' / Frankie & Johnny' etc etc....amazing. TBR |
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: black walnut Date: 11 Jun 00 - 09:00 AM Experimental folk music? You could get some flack over that one.....but I know what you mean, and I like it! Here are 3 of my favourites: DEFINITELY Oliver Shroer's fiddle music. Start with his latest CD, called 'O2' (read: 'OH TWO', then move backwards in time through his other albums and the tapes, and you eventually get back to his very traditional fiddle roots. The evolution is fascinating. Solo, he can go anywhere, and does, yet he remains a solid backup fiddle player as well. He is extremely skillful, extremely creative, and extremely worth listening to.... ALONG the same lines is fiddler Moritz Behm. Mortitz plays with The Paperboys, but he has put out one solo CD entitled 'my anthem'. Moritz' background is classical violin, and he can back up any trad. band, but his solo CD takes off into another solar system. Very well done. Highly recommended.... MY HARP teacher Sharlene Wallace is always pushing the limits. Sharlene has 2 CD's out, and my favourite is 'The Rhyme and the River'. She makes her living playing classical harp, but fell in love with the Celtic harp several years ago. One way to insult her is to call her music 'beautiful'. She would prefer to push you over the edge....
websites:
Sharlene Wallace: Click here Moritz Behm: Click here
Oliver Schroer: Click here ~black walnut
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: Jeri Date: 11 Jun 00 - 09:00 AM Take a look at Natalie MacMaster and click on Welcome to the Trossachs. She also does a bit of sort-of-flamenco on the "In My Hands" CD. or try the video of the title song. |
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: black walnut Date: 11 Jun 00 - 09:05 AM Sorry, my HTML mucked up! I'll put the websites in black and white, and you'll have to copy and past. (It all looked perfect when I sent it.....sigh).
Sharlene Wallace: www.coolname.com/go/sharlene_wallace Moritz Behm: www.momusic.bc.ca Oliver Schroer: www.oliverschroer.com There you go, ~black walnut
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: sophocleese Date: 11 Jun 00 - 09:32 AM Rare Air does some interesting things. MacCrimmon's Revenge are fun too, their website is here blue stuff Ruth Sutherland a while a go combined Celtic harp with African sounding drums, but now it seems as if a lot of people are doing that as well. |
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 11 Jun 00 - 12:35 PM Well it isn't many years ago that playing a bouzouki with Irish music was pretty experimental. And a few years before itb was the banjo that was the weird innovation. The didgeridoo is still working its way into the tradition, but it can sound great with Irish music.
Then The Chieftains came home with some great Chinese tunes. And there's all kinds of percussion from Africa working it's way in. (In fact I've got a sneaking suspicion that the first bodhrans in modern times were probably brought back from Morocco by some Irish hippy who strummed it like a guitar because he'd have been a guitar player rather than a drummer to start off with. Then the folklorists sneaked around and found some kind opf precedent in he Irish tradition to make it a bit more respectable.)
What I mean is, there's been a hell of a lot of experiementation all the time, and it's still going on. But if it sounds right, pretty soon people don't think of it as experimental. |
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: Clinton Hammond2 Date: 11 Jun 00 - 01:19 PM Isn't all folk music experimental in some way or other?? {~` |
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: alison Date: 12 Jun 00 - 03:26 AM aNything by the Afro Celt Sound System..... although I prefer their 2nd CD....
slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: GUEST Date: 12 Jun 00 - 07:48 AM Lisa Mednick used to be on the Dejadisk label, now defunct I think. Sort of a cross between New Age and Folk/Country/Bluegrass. She does a version of "Harper's Ferry." You can buy her CD, "Artifacts of Love" here for the low, low price of $1.95. For two bucks you can't hardly go wrong. |
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 12 Jun 00 - 08:01 AM Any of Hamish Moore and Dick Lee's pipes/sax collaborations, if you haven't already come across them. Malcolm |
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: Rana Date: 12 Jun 00 - 08:24 AM One interesting artist I saw was Sheila Chandra. Born and brought up in England of an Indian background, she has combined English (or British) traditional songs with Indian influences - predominantly through "the first and ultimate instrument - the voice" {from the cover of her CD 'Weaving my Ancstors' Voices'}, and in my opinion, it works really well. I also think the arrangemnts of Edward II (a group mentioned in other links before), combining traditional tunes with reggae could be deemed experimental. On a more local note - Laurel McDonald is doing some very interesting stuff. Involved in the Toronto celtic scene with a group like 3 Our Tour, she has released a CD called Chroma which could probably be described has more "4AD" (sound of the label which features Dead can Dance, Cocteau Twins). It is a CD I really like though my colleagues felt it had gone a bit beyond what our folk club's audience would be used to and more suited to Toronto's other clubs. Also, would Jan Garberek's recordings on ECM featuring traditional Scndinavean tunes be classified as experimental folk - again these are recordings I really like. Cheers Rana |
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: black walnut Date: 12 Jun 00 - 08:58 AM Correction: I said above that Moritz Benz is the fiddler with The Paperboys. Well, he has played with them, but I meant to say that he is the fiddler for Mad Pudding. C. H.: could you expand on that, please? Rana: have you considered a personal lending library?! ~'nut
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: GUEST,dickie Date: 12 Jun 00 - 09:13 AM back in the forties, bill monroe was experimenting with traditional oldtime music. in the process, he invented bluegrass. also in the forties, the weavers were experimenting by mixing folk music with pop music. in the process, they invented a commercial folk-pop. in the seventies, david grisman was experimenting with bluegrass. in the process, he invented new-acoustic/dawg music. in the sixties, bob dylan and the byrds were experimenting by mixing folk music and rock and roll. in the process, they invented folk-rock. experimentation is at the heart of creativity in music. even in folk music. dickie |
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: Rana who SHOULD be working Date: 12 Jun 00 - 10:07 AM Dickie, You've made a very good point and some great examples which only are the tip of the iceberg! The beauty of all this experimentation is that it draws new folks in who might eventually start going back and exploring the sources of these new inspirations. I know it happened with me. Rana |
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: Wesley S Date: 12 Jun 00 - 10:39 AM I don't know if you've heard "Pleasures of the Harbor" by Phil Ochs but a lot of the orchestrations he used on that record were pretty out there. Atonal even. But it worked considering the subject material. |
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: AndyG Date: 12 Jun 00 - 11:19 AM Hi Sam,
You might look up HoraceX.
AndyG
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: Mbo Date: 12 Jun 00 - 11:21 AM You MUST listen to Martyn Bennett! He rolls traditional Irish & Scottish tunes in with North African and Afro-Islamic folk music, as well as Sub-Saharan African chants and lyrics... --Mbo |
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: AndyG Date: 12 Jun 00 - 11:30 AM Oh yeah,
Sam, you can check them out on the Thursday evening at Cambridge Folk Festival if your going for the full weekend :)
AndyG
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: john c Date: 12 Jun 00 - 01:33 PM They might be old but there is nothing to beat the first five Incredible String Band recordings - espescially The Hangmans Beautiful Daughter and The Wee Tam and the Big Huge. J. |
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: catspaw49 Date: 12 Jun 00 - 02:41 PM It was always a dangerous job. Test spinners were a unique breed and each possessed a 'devil may care' attitude but were at the same time pros in their job. They had the "stuff" and never spoke of it.....that was for others; the ones who had never known the rarified air of test spin. Col. Pete had been at it a long time and he knew that each mission and each test could be his last, but he believed in his ability and his experience. He had taken this disc from track one and he knew it well. As he advanced up each track the dangers increased, but Pete knew his job. He'd ridden out the rough spots at 5 and the skipping at 13. Today he approached the unknown that came on with terrifying force at the 16 and above level. Pushing the envelope was his job. As the disc spun through 17, Col. Pete caught a sight through the smoked canopy of the player that brought a quick rush of adrenalin racing through him. It was one of those outside things that one could never control, like a pigeon getting sucked up in a jet. He saw the banjo that was standing beside the player. He saw the cat walking past. In that nanosecond he saw the danger and began to react as quickly as he could to shut down. The cat brushed up hard against the banjo pot and the 5-string began to topple. Accelerating rapidly as Pete watched in horror, the 5-string neck smashed down on the touch-sensitive lid and slid on towards the floor. The lid began to raise and Pete fought with the interlock controls to keep the disc in place and decelerate. The G-force was too great and the tabs failed. The momentum of the spin and the extra air from the open cover combined to lift the now uncontrollable CD and it launched itself out of the player and across the room striking the cover on the way out and setting up a wobbling flight that knocked Col. Pete around as he sat at the useless controls. Striking a kitchen cabinet, it hurtled on into a pot of boiling grits. The wreck was recovered but was useless and the remains of Pete were never found. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: GUEST,Sam Pirt Date: 13 Jun 00 - 05:17 AM Hi All Thanks for the great responce, Black Walnut - Thanks for pointing me in the direction of Oliver Shroer sound like the stuff I'm interested in. Dickie - you made some good points and that is just one reason why for myself why I want to explore these avenues myself. AndyG - I'll see you at Cambridge as I play in band 422. We are launching our new CD there and playing on mainstage on Sunday. I hope to see you and many other catters there. Cheers all for your help Sam
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: GUEST,The Burren Ranger Date: 13 Jun 00 - 01:15 PM Add 'Atlantic Bridge '(Tara label) by Davy Spillane to the above list. Uilleann Pipes with Bluegrass banjo(Bela Fleck) and dobro(Jerry Douglas)..and country-rock guitar(Albert Lee).rec'd in Ireland back in 1988. TBR |
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: black walnut Date: 13 Jun 00 - 02:38 PM uilleann pipes and banjo and dobro? 3 instruments i love! that's a combo i've got to hear for myself... 'nut |
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: GUEST,karine polwart Date: 13 Jun 00 - 07:39 PM Band = Shooglenifty / CDs = Whisky Kiss and Venus in Tweeds on Greentrax Records - great Scottish dancey band "acid-croft". See www.musicscotland.com. Try also Vasen's "Gront" - brilliant Swedish band featuring nyckelharpa / greta but kind of creepy CD. |
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: Art Thieme Date: 14 Jun 00 - 04:42 PM Dick Weissman's CDs on FOLK ERA are extremely listenable evn though they combine instruments that are rarely juxtoposed. Dick is an expert 5-string banjo picker who combines folk styles, classical styles and jazz styles with jazz instruments --I never figured that mellow saxophone would work so well with 5-string banjo -- played quite laid back but inventive as hell too. Dick was a member of the JOURNEYMEN in the 60s with John Phillips (Mamas And The Papas) and Scott Mackenzie (did the hit "If Yor're Going To San Francisco...be sure to wear some flowers in your hair". I'd suggest Dick Weissman's latest CD called REFLECTIONS (FE1444CD)--although he has done 3 others for this lebel. It sure mellowed me out when I needed that recently. Folk Era Records 705 South Washington Naperville, IL 60540-6654 630-637-2303 FolkEra@loopback.com www.folkera.com (Folk Era has also issued CDs by so very many early 60s folk groups that they're impossible to mention them all here. Eric Darling is one of the many.) Art Thieme |
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: GUEST,Phil Cooper Date: 14 Jun 00 - 06:38 PM For my money, Andrew Cronshaw does some very good experimental folk music. He is mostly known for playing the electric zither but is also accomplished on other instruments. The use of tin whistle, lap steel, and clarinet on "Wasps in the Woodpile" on his "Till the Beasts Return" album is great. "Language of Snakes" is also good. Topic has a great sampler of his stuff. He's just released a new one, but I don't recall the title. His arrangement of "The Hawthorne Tree of Cawdor" brings tears to the eyes. |
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: GUEST,Sam Pirt Date: 15 Jun 00 - 07:48 AM there has been some great suggestions here, Does anyone have anymore? I am definatly going to follow up some suggestions and expand my ears as they say. I look forward to future suggestions Sam |
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: black walnut Date: 15 Jun 00 - 09:07 AM (i just wanted to insert, into my posting 4rth from the top, that sharlene wallace's music IS beautiful, but she'd rather be told something less predictably harp-like. she'd rather people hear the funkiness, or the compelling rhythms, or the percussive effects....)
all for now... |
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: Mbo Date: 15 Jun 00 - 11:49 AM There's also Paul Mounsie, who rolls traditional Irish & Scottish music (including Gaelic songs) together with Brazilian and other South American music on the album "Nahoo Too". BTW Shooglenifty ROCKS!!! As does Burach, a "celtic funk" band from Scotland. If you never thought an accordion could be funky, listen to "The Funky Fat Challenge"! HUH! --Mbo |
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: Rollo Date: 15 Jun 00 - 12:27 PM On of strangest bits of folklore I ever found is a band called "Hav Ran" from Poland. In southern Poland there is the mountain area of "Tatra" which produces a vivid and splendid folk music, using a language that is nearly, but not really polish. When I was in Gdansk I looked out for some polish folk music, but what I found was this unique mixture of Tatra folk and techno. Since the rednex' "Cotton eye joe" we know it works, since techno is dance music, like folk music too. But this polish band is far more inventive than that main stream compatible country/techno mixture. I'm very sorry never to have found out more about "Hav Ran". Music from eastern europe doesn't seem to find the way west theese days. But there is a rich treasure to be dug out for western music lovers. |
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Subject: RE: Know any experimental folk music CD's ? From: Art Thieme Date: 15 Jun 00 - 09:15 PM Aye, Sam, hello ! I just gave Bill something for you. He'll give it to you whenever... All the best, Art |
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