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Lyr Add: Trousers on the Door

Snuffy 22 Jun 00 - 05:51 PM
Snuffy 24 Jun 00 - 05:52 AM
MMario 26 Jun 00 - 11:31 AM
GUEST,Sallycat 22 Mar 05 - 02:58 AM
Snuffy 22 Mar 05 - 08:25 AM
Billy Weeks 22 Mar 05 - 09:19 AM
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Billy Weeks 22 Mar 05 - 09:28 AM
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IanC 22 Mar 05 - 09:40 AM
Billy Weeks 22 Mar 05 - 12:37 PM
GUEST 31 Dec 13 - 06:22 AM
GUEST,Anne Keys 31 Dec 13 - 06:26 AM
Jim Dixon 31 Dec 13 - 12:47 PM
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Subject: Lyr/Tune Add: TROUSERS ON THE DOOR
From: Snuffy
Date: 22 Jun 00 - 05:51 PM

This song is on a tape of field recordings made in Mid-Suffolk between 1959 and 1982. I've looked all over for the missing verse, or any information on author or original performer. Are there any commercial recordings? It sounds Victorian to me, and the tune is obiously related to that used by Lonnie Donegan for "My Old Man's a Dustman."

TROUSERS ON THE DOOR

Now me Ma she had a lodger, a nice young man was he.
He courted my sister, Julia: they were as happy as could be.
Then all of a sudden he left us, we really don't know why.
All we know that he is gone and he's made poor sister cry.

CHO:
For all he left was a pair of trousers, hanging on the bedroom door.
When we looked at them they seemed to say "You'll never see the lodger any more"
All day long poor sister Julia cried [and cried and cried]
She said "What's the use of a pair of trousers if you haven't got a man inside?"


Ma used to treat him as a son, he had just what he chose.
He used to borrow money and he wore all father's clothes.
Now the reason why he left us, we really can't explain.
All we know that he is gone with father's watch and chain.

CHO:

At the end of the song Mr Syrett says "There's one more verse but I forgetten 'im"

X: 1
T:Trousers on the Door, The
M:4/4
L:1/8
S:Gordon Syrett
A:Suffolk
N:Collected/recorded at Mendlesham Green 1982
D:Many a Good Horseman VTVS01/0
K:D
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E2EE E2D2|C2E2 A2AA|B2A2 ^G2A2|F6 A,2|
F2FF FFF2|F2F4 F2|D2D2 E2F2|G6 z2 |
A2A2 A2A2|A2A2 A2AA|A2G2 F2E2|D4 ||
A4|
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C2E2 A2A2|B2A2 ^G2A2|BBAA ^GGAA|F6 z2 |
F2F2 F2F2|F2F2 F2F2|D2D2 E2F2|G4 F2G2 |
A2A2 A2AA|A2A2 AAAA|AAGG F2E2|D4 ||

Wassail! V


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trousers on the Door
From: Snuffy
Date: 24 Jun 00 - 05:52 AM

Does anybody know anything about this song?

Wassail! V


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trousers on the Door
From: MMario
Date: 26 Jun 00 - 11:31 AM

it has that Music Hall "feel" to it...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trousers on the Door
From: GUEST,Sallycat
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 02:58 AM

Did you ever find the missing verse? I think there's half a line missing from the chorus, too.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trousers on the Door
From: Snuffy
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 08:25 AM

Not a peep. But maybe there's more out there on the web than there was 5 years ago. I'll have another look.

I take it you're refeering to the tape, Sallycat. Mr Syrett actually sang a truncated 3rd line in the chorus: "All day long poor sister Julia cried". In the Lyr Add: above I have put back the "and cried and cried" which I felt was missing


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trousers on the Door
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 09:19 AM

Michael Kilgarriff's monumental reference book - always the first place to look for anything with the smell of music hall about it - gives 'All he left was a pair of trousers' as having been sung by Ada Cerito (1877-1944) but no authorship attribution or date.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trousers on the Door
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 09:24 AM

And the British library gives 'All he Left was a Pair of Trousers' as written and composed by Murray & Leigh,1898.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trousers on the Door
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 09:28 AM

And it was published in London by Francis Day and Hunter.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trousers on the Door
From: Snuffy
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 09:31 AM

Thanks for that, Billy. But it still doesn't help with the missing verse(s).


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trousers on the Door
From: IanC
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 09:40 AM

Snuffy

If it was published by Francis Day and Hunter on or after 1898, then there's a very good chance of finding it in print. Their songbooks regularly appear on EBAY (i.e. daily).

Just for the record, your original source is (on the Veteran label) VTVS01/02 'Many a Good Horseman'. Recorded from Gordon Syrett at Mendlesham Green in 1982.

:-)
Ian


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trousers on the Door
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 22 Mar 05 - 12:37 PM

Or you could ask the British Library to send you a photocopy. I think they'll do that with out-of-copyright material, but I don't know what they'd charge.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trousers on the Door
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Dec 13 - 06:22 AM

I am so delighted that my daughter has found this. My Mum, who died this year, aged 100, has always sung this song to us. She said the first time she remembered singing it was when her maiden Aunt had taken her to the Vicar's tea party, and being the only child there, they asked her to sing, expecting a nursery rhyme. They got "Trousers on the Door" instead! Mum was about two and a half and the year would have been 1914. She is not sure who taught it to her, but probably her Mum, my Nan, who loved a good laugh and joke!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trousers on the Door
From: GUEST,Anne Keys
Date: 31 Dec 13 - 06:26 AM

My Mum, who died this year aged 100, sang this at the vicar's tea party when she was aged about two and a half, so that would have been in 1914. I can't remember all the words, but she always sang "Poor sister Julia, all day long she cried, What's the use of a pair of old trousers if they haven't got a man inside". I think the vicar nearly had a fit, expecting a nursery rhyme!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trousers on the Door
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 31 Dec 13 - 12:47 PM

The University of Oxford has the sheet music, described thus:

ALL HE LEFT WAS A PAIR OF TROUSERS
Words and music by Fred Murray & Fred W Leigh ; sung by Miss Ada Cerito.
London : Francis, Day & Hunter, ©1898.

First line: My poor big sister Julia.
First line of chorus: All he left was a pair of trousers.

[The British Library also has it, but the Oxford library catalog gives more details.]

[Since we don't have a verse that begins "My poor big sister Julia," there does indeed seem to be a verse missing?the first verse.]


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trousers on the Door
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Dec 13 - 06:30 PM

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/diglib/ihas/loc.natlib.ihas.100008031/enlarge.html?page=3

Jim, I got lucky. The lyrics with that missing stanza are there.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trousers on the Door
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Dec 13 - 06:32 PM

Damn. I'll go find it again. It's in the LoC.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Trousers on the Door
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Dec 13 - 06:39 PM

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/diglib/ihas/loc.natlib.ihas.100008031/enlarge.html?page=3&from=pageturner


There it is. That is p 3

At the bottom is a way to get to p 4, etc.


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Subject: Lyr Add: ALL HE LEFT WAS A PAIR OF TROUSERS
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 31 Dec 13 - 11:18 PM

From the sheet music at the Library of Congress:


ALL HE LEFT WAS A PAIR OF TROUSERS
Words and music by Fred Murray & Fred W Leigh, ©1898.

1. My poor big sister Julia! I've just left her in tears.
She's crying over Mister Brown, who lodged with us for years.
Their wedding day was almost fixed, and all seemed safe and sound,
But Mister Brown went off last week and yesterday we found: That?

CHORUS: All he left was a pair of trousers hanging on the bedroom door.
When we look at 'em they seem to say, "You'll never see the lodger any more."
Poor sister Julia! All day long she cried:
"What is the use of a pair of trousers, if they haven't got a man inside?"

2. I can't make out why he should go; I'm bothered if I can.
Ma did her best to please him, being Julia's young man.
She tried to make him feel at home, and let his rent run on,
And he's not even left a note to tell us where he's gone.

3. Ma used to treat him like a son; he had just what he chose.
He used to borrow money, and he wore all father's clothes.
Why he should leave so suddenly, I really can't explain.
Another thing that's disappeared is sister's watch and chain.


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