Tune Req: After the Ball

Subject: Complete tune - After the Ball
From: GUEST,Andrew
Date: 25 Jan 00 - 12:49 PM

I've never heard the complete tune for After the Ball. I only know the tune for the refrain, not the verse. Anyone know where it is available in MIDI?

Subject: RE: Complete tune - After the Ball
From: Alice
Date: 25 Jan 00 - 02:07 PM

The sheet music is at the Levy website.click here

Subject: After the Ball
From: GUEST,Fiddler
Date: 28 Jun 00 - 01:48 PM

Can anyone tell me when the song was written. How old it is? After the Ball , I believe by Charles K. Harris. We play at the Ozark Folk Center in Mountain View, AR and all the songs we are allowed to do must be pre 1941. Thanks.

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Click for “After the Ball” in DigiTrad.

Subject: RE: Help: After the Ball
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Jun 00 - 01:52 PM

Hi, Fiddler - let me introduce you to the Levy Collection of Sheet Music (click), which says that Harris published the song in 1892.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Help: After the Ball
From: Peter T.
Date: 28 Jun 00 - 01:54 PM

4 minutes, Joe. What kept you?
yours, Peter T.

Subject: RE: Help: After the Ball
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Jun 00 - 02:08 PM

Well, Peter, I probably should have taken more than four minutes, and given a link that would direct Fiddler straight to the sheet music: AFTER THE BALL (click) at The Lester S. Levy Collection of Sheet Music. I should also have taken the time to introduce Fiddler to Mudcatter Dale Rose, who hangs out at the Ozark Folk Center. Dale has an amazing knowledge of the sentimental music of the 19th and early 20th centuries, and he's a great person to know.
I've given up my quest for the elusive two-minute response time, and decided to strive for quality.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Help: After the Ball
From: Dale Rose
Date: 28 Jun 00 - 02:26 PM

Or you could have gone down and asked Dr. Bill, Fiddler. I expect he'd know it without looking it up.

Joe is right about the Levy Collection, many wonderful things there, including many by Charles K. Harris. There are other great sheet music sites available as well. If you have my Email address, just ask and I will send you a rundown of all the available sites that I prepared for someone else a while back.

If you haven't, leave a message here, but NOT your Email, unless you want the whole world ~~ make that the whole Mudcat to know it, and we'll work something out. I see you are not yet a member or you could send me a private message. Read Joe's FAQ at the top of the page, much info there, including how to join.

Too many fiddlers at the OFC for me to know for certain which one you are!

Subject: RE: Help: After the Ball
From: Dale Rose
Date: 28 Jun 00 - 02:30 PM

Ummm, Joe's second response (and kind words) were not there while I was composing my message. I am slow, you'll never find me vying for the two minute response!

Subject: RE: Help: After the Ball
From: GUEST,Banjo Johnny
Date: 28 Jun 00 - 03:34 PM

I have heard it performed during "Show Boat". It wasn't part of the original production, but was added later. Johnny in Oklahoma City

Subject: RE: Help: After the Ball
From: SINSULL
Date: 28 Jun 00 - 03:47 PM

Magnolia sings it on New Years Eve at the Traccadoro(?) while her fasther whispers "Smile, Nolie, Give 'em that smile"... Sigh, SS

Subject: RE: Help: After the Ball
From: Peter T.
Date: 28 Jun 00 - 03:55 PM

Can there be a dumber song? (I have loved the song since infancy, but really, can there be a dumber bunch of clucks than the people in this song -- "She tried to tell me, tried to explain, I would not listen, pleadings were in vain". Why not just say: He's MY BROTHER DIMWIT!!" and get it over with. Oh, no, years of regret.) Ridiculous.

yours, Peter T.

Subject: RE: Help: After the Ball
From: SINSULL
Date: 28 Jun 00 - 03:56 PM

Father. I mean.

The fasther is in another show.

Subject: RE: Help: After the Ball
From: SINSULL
Date: 28 Jun 00 - 04:29 PM

But Peter, the glass had crashed to the floor. It was over. Who could speak under such circumstances?

Kind of you to call them Dimwits. Numbnuts was what came to my mind. But the song was only an excuse for the chorus. Great chorus. SS (still sighing over Magnolia and Gaylord)

Subject: RE: Help: After the Ball
From: GUEST,Second Banana
Date: 29 Jun 00 - 01:18 AM

For Dale Rose,

Would you tell me if the Dr. Bill, Fiddler, that you mentioned could possibly be from Russellville, Arkansas? I have played music with him. Thanks.

Subject: Lyr Add: AFTER THE BALL (parody)
From: JennieG
Date: 29 Jun 00 - 07:06 AM

And don't forget the parody too:
After the ball was over
She took out her glass eye,
Put her false teeth in water,
Brushed from her hair the dye,
Kicked her cork leg in the corner,
Stripped off her false nails and all -
Then what was left went to bye-byes,
After the ball!
I don't remember where I learnt it but people usually laugh when they hear it.......
Cheers
JennieG

Subject: RE: Help: After the Ball
From: SINSULL
Date: 29 Jun 00 - 09:19 AM

You people are impossible. I am going home to sulk and hum "Fish gotta swim, birds gotta fly..."

Yeah I laughed too JG.

Subject: RE: Help: After the Ball
From: Dale Rose
Date: 29 Jun 00 - 10:56 AM

For Second Banana,

No, I was saying to Fiddler that she/he could have asked Dr. Bill (McNeil), the folklorist at the Ozark Folk Center, because he almost certainly could have told the date for After The Ball without resorting to looking it up as we mere mortals would have to do. I should have been more specific; Fiddler and anyone else connected with the music in the Mountain View area would know exactly who I meant by Dr. Bill, but it doesn't follow that everyone else who might be reading it would. Go ahead and tell me about the Dr. Bill that you know, maybe I have run into him somewhere along the line. Also, a question for you ~~ are you in the Ozarks? I live about 30 miles south of Mountain View. (Or as they say around here, TWO miles, if you straighten out the road!)

For Everyone,

I have at least three recordings of After The Ball that I can think of at the moment, by Arcady ~~ 1992, The Blue Sky Boys ~~ 1964, and Darby and Tarleton, 1928. The first two are readily available, probably through Mudcat/Camsco, I'd bet. Here are sound clips from Tunes.com Arcady here and Blue Sky Boys here Both albums are well worth having, check them out. So is the Darby and Tarleton, BUT, it is on a three CD set from Bear Family and EXPENSIVE.

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Subject: RE: Help: After the Ball
From: SINSULL
Date: 29 Jun 00 - 01:24 PM

Joan Morris has a CD out called "After the Ball" with this and many other songs from the Gay Nineties. Noesuch label. Check her website.

Subject: RE: Help: After the Ball
From: GUEST,Second Banana
Date: 29 Jun 00 - 03:37 PM

For Dale Rose,

Thanks for your prompt reply. I should have realized you were addressing Fiddler. The Dr. Bill I know has played at Mountain View a lot; in fact he has a cabin near there where he and musician friends from this area spend time. He is a fiddler and knows the words to many of his numbers. He also plays the guitar. Very entertaining fellow.

I do live in the Ozarks, ninety miles west northwest of Little Rock. We came home from Mountain View once through Salem and Melbourne. We have mountains here but nothing like that! I didn't know the Ozarks had such country.

Best regards.

Subject: RE: Help: After the Ball
From: SINSULL
Date: 29 Jun 00 - 03:46 PM

Nonesuch! Damn!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: after the ball
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 08 May 01 - 12:47 PM

By the way, the location for "After the Ball" was the upstairs ballroom at the Turner's in Milwaukee, Wisconsin (where I'm from, more or less originally) which is currently being restored. It was unused after a fire earlier in the 1900s. Of course, now that I'm looking for it, I can't seem to locate the article from within the past 6 months I think that was in the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinal.

No matter how organized I get, I still can't seem to find what I'm looking for. Sigh.

Bat Goddess

Subject: RE: old movie tunes
From: Artful Codger
Date: 29 Jul 07 - 04:13 PM

For scans of the original sheet music of "After the Ball", go here (the Indiana University Sheet Music Collection). It's the Charles K. Harris music from 1892. You can also find scans (and now, PDFs!) at the Lester S. Levy site.

Subject: RE: old movie tunes
From: Artful Codger
Date: 29 Jul 07 - 04:32 PM

"After the Ball" was an extremely popular music hall song. For a recording, I highly recommend Joan Morris (soprano) and William Bolcom (piano), who put out an album of this name in the '70s. It has been reissued on CD. I'm sure you can find plenty of sound clips by various artists, as well.