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Lyr Req: songs about the Kennedy assassination

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BEST YEARS OF HER LIFE
DEATH OF JOHN KENNEDY
I SAW MY COUNTRY'S FLAG GO DOWN
I'M CALLED LITTLE CAROLINE
LEE HARVEY WAS A FRIEND OF MINE
LORD OF THE LAND
THAT WAS THE PRESIDENT AND THAT WAS THE MAN
THAT WAS THE PRESIDENT, THAT WAS THE MAN 2
THE BALLAD OF J. F. K.
THE BOY SALUTES


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: Art Thieme
Date: 25 May 98 - 10:54 AM

Rockaday Johnnie,

Thanks!!! I don't have that song! Didn't know Arvella did that one. Sure would like to get it--even if only in manuscript form!

Yes, I knew Arvella Gray. I've some good color slides of him playing his old National Guitar on Grand Ave. in Chicago outside the Grand & State Subway entrance (his favorite place to hit rush hour crowds for their change).

Arvella only had a thumb & 1 or 2 fingers on his left hand so he always played with a bottleneck on his finger. He was at the first University Of Chicago Folk Festival back in 1961. WFMT taped the Fest & put his "Goin' To Heaven Blues" on the air. I've still got that song on tape.

Goin' to heaven, gonna sit down on a chair, I'm goin' to heaven, gonna sit down on a chair, Gonna ask ol' Moses to sing me the walkin' blues!

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: Rockaday Johnnie
Date: 25 May 98 - 03:24 PM

Art - I saw Arvella once - in '65 or '66 in front of Keoster Blues Record Mart - He played John Henry several times --My first introduction to bottleneck guitar -He did have several obscure recordings - I've not seen any myself but he recorded 4 tracks on an English lp (Heritage 1004) including John Henry -- He and Brewer recorded 2 45's for Gray -"Deborah"/"You Are My Dear" -Gray 13 And "John Henry"/"Walkin' Blues" -Gray 14. Jim Brewerss' I'm so Glad Good Whiskey's Back" is also on the Heritage lp - Maybe someday I'll find this lp... Sorry Folks this probably shouldn't have been put in this thread.


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: Art Thieme
Date: 26 May 98 - 12:22 AM

Johnnie,

The Jazz Record Mart was right there where I took those photos of Arvella---Grand & State St.--where the subway passengers climb to the street level. I did some research work for Bob Koester back in '64---looked up some Lemon Jefferson 78s on Broadway label for him in the card file (no computers then) at the Folksong Archive at the Library of Congress. First met Joe Hickerson that summer.

Jim Brewer and I worked at the No Exit for many years back then. Him on Wednesday nights and me on Thursdays.The No Exit was just sold last week!! I played there for 37 years...but it's still there!!!

Art


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Subject: Lyr Add: ON TOP OF GOLDWATER (Milton Schwartz)
From: Art Thieme
Date: 28 May 98 - 09:59 PM

Here's one by Milton M. Schwartz from his songbook __SING ALONG WITH JACK---HIT SONGS FROM THE NEW FRONTIER__

This is presented here for Barry Goldwater---who is quite ill right now.

"ON TOP OF GOLDWATER" (J.F.K.'s Lament)
(tune "On Top Of Old Smoky")

On top of Goldwater,
Who gets out of hand,
There's Tower of Texas,
How much can I stand?

There's Ev'rett and Charlie,
And Time Magazine,
And Democrat Lausche,
You know what I mean.

With critical letters,
My office is strewn,
And I've had to cancel,
The Herald Tribune.

They're just being friendly,
And anxious to please,
With friends like I've mentioned,
Who needs enemies?


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE STREETS OF DALLAS TOWN
From: Art Thieme
Date: 12 Jun 98 - 11:32 AM

Good Folks'

Here's another JFK song before I take off for a while.

THE STREETS OF DALLAS TOWN
by Benjamin Griffith
tune: The Wearin' O' The Green

Americans and did ya hear the news thats goin' 'round
They've gone and shot John Kennedy on the streets of Dallas town.

Chorus) On the streets of Dallas town
On the streets of Dallas town,
They've gone and shot our president,
On the streets of Dallas town

He stood for human dignity and rights the world around,
That's why they cut him down on the streets of Dallas town.

Everywhere a chorus of hate had made an awful sound,
That's why they cut him down on the streets of Dallas town.

And you and I had listened and had not made reply,
And that is why, in Dallas town, a good man had to die.

Art


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: Art Thieme
Date: 12 Jun 98 - 11:36 AM

EVERYBODY---Joe & Max & all,

Thanks for your patience!!! I FINALLY figured out how to BREAK off a line so's to get stanzas to post correctly!!

And thanks for all the HTML info!

Art


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: Bert C
Date: 12 Jun 98 - 12:36 PM

Hey Art, you found it!

I just cruised through this whole thread and noticed that the song you posted on May 13 appears to be the one Whipporwill was originally looking for. Congratulations!

Bert C


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: Art Thieme
Date: 12 Jun 98 - 03:27 PM

Seems that it was actually posted on 7/19/97 by Rich R.

THE SUMMER OF HIS YEARS was the song from the TV show THAT WAS THE WEEK THAT WAS. Art

ALSO: Sorry, I posted the last song twice it seems---once quite a bit earlier! When your memory goes, forget it!

Art


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: Bert C
Date: 12 Jun 98 - 04:48 PM

Art,

Sorry if I misled you. I wasn't referring to "IN THE SUMMER OF HIS YEARS." I meant "TRIBUTE TO JOHN F. KENNEDY" that you said was on the flip side of "CAPTAIN MY CAPTAIN". (see 13May98) The chorus matches what Whipporwill originally asked for.

Bert C


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: Art Thieme
Date: 12 Jun 98 - 07:41 PM

Now I get it! Does take me a while sometimes. Anyhow, glad to have been of service!

Thanks,

Art


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Jun 98 - 03:58 AM

Gee, Art, if you've figured out how to do line breaks, does that mean I'm out of a job? < grin >
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: Art Thieme
Date: 13 Jun 98 - 03:52 PM

Joe Hickerson sent this to me back in 1964. It was in an article in the NEW YORK TIMES -- Sunday, July 12th, '64.

Sarajevo, Yogoslavia--July 11th
The president is already a part of folklore!
In this Balkan land of folk heroes, John F. Kennedy has already become a part of the nation's lore.The President is a popular figure here. Now, after streets and squares have been named after him and best-selling books have been published about him, Mr. Kennedy has become the subject of a folk ballad. The song was composed recently by a young Bosnian, Ramo Ramovic, who works by day as a bookkeeper in Bosnafolklor company's home offices. In the evening he sings this song in the basement nightclub of the Europa Hotel, strumming his own accompaniment on a single-stringed usla, an ancient instrument that emits a haunting whine.
Mr. Ramovic's song is in the deseterac (ten syllable) style of Bosnian folksongs and he has cast his verse in rhymed couplets. Following is a translation of "THE ASSASSINATION OF JOHN KENNEDY" as far as Mr. Ramovic has carried it. He plans to add more verses later.
Here"s his song:

Not even the bird that makes it's nest coming
That the 20th century would herald sad news to all,
That on November 22nd,
Americans would be in great sorrow,
Echoes ring and phones buzz,
Tempests and storms appear,
Sad news spreads everywhere of America's severe misfortune
Grief has stirred the whole world,
Kennedy could not be rescued,
The powder was exploded,
The rifle fired from a high floor,
The steel bullet was swift,
That caused John's lethal wounds,
It struck his heroic head,
He met that bitter glory,
Grave pains overcame him,
Johnny fell in Jacqueline's arms,
That dear Jacqueline embraced him
With her white arms,
With a sick heart she embraced him,
To lighten his heavy pains,
With grave suffering darkening his face,
They went to Dallas (Parkland) Hospital,
Doctors offered help,
In vain, sad news is spreading,
That cursed steel bullet,
Has wounded Johnny mortally,
President Johnny has passed away,
He has left the earth forever,
The news is heard afar,
The world echoes sorrowing despair,
Kennedy is no more,
Despair,
John Kennedy is no more,
Dallas, Texas, what is happening in thee?
Why did you allow that hostile hand
That sniper to touch that firearm,
So that iron ignited the fire,
And struck John so cunningly,
Johnny has no more strength,
With a sick heart his breath slows,
Dead Johnny falls to earth,
And now Jacquiline suffers heavy grief,
A beautiful person, respected lady,
Stays alone without Johnny,
She never will forget him,
Johnny was like blooming flowers,
They tried to save him,
In unlucky Dallas Hospital,
The first aid given him,
Kept him not one hour,
The wound was mortal,
And the earth has seized him forever,
To rest for eternity,
For there was no cure for Johnny,
Now in sorrow many hearts were silent,
And they drove him to the White House,
To give him the last honors,
They know for certain John was gone
The caisson carries him,
With a white horse from the White House,
To the soldier's grave of heroes,
This is, Johnny, your eternal home.
The procession turns aside now,
Men of noble face,
All America grieves for him,
There are many foreign friends,
Many notables from abroad,
There are many from all sides,
The chieftains, czars and queens,
And many eminent guests,
To say farewell to the great hero,
Too many to enumerate,
The relatives go first,
With his wife Jacqueline,
In the line are two brothers now,
The grieving Robert next to brother Edward,
And his daughter Caroline,
Who is only 6 years old.

{Folks, please keep in mind that these are graphic depictions of the emotions of that sad era; that's what you are reading here! None of the revelations of recent years were known! There had been no other asssassinations yet. This, and the other assassination songs I've posted here, were SPONTANEOUS OPUTPOURINGS OF EMOTION TURNED TO POETRY by folks from all walks of life. They allow you to travel back in time!}

Art Thieme


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Subject: Lyr Add: BRAND NEW '64 DODGE (Greg Brown)
From: Anne
Date: 15 Jun 98 - 12:47 AM

Greg Brown has a haunting reminder of those last innocent days before JFK died. This song is found on Poet Game available from Red House Records. 1-800-695-4687.

BRAND NEW '64 DODGE

Money comes out of Dad's billfold.
Hankies come out of Mom's purse.
The engine hardly makes a sound
even when you put in reverse.
It's got a push-button transmission,
hardtop convertible 4-Door.
It's November of '63
and the brand new Dodge is a '64.

And we're rolling slow down Main Street--
the asphalt and the gravel crunch.
Church is finally over
and we're going to have our Sunday lunch.
And then I will play football
with my buddies down in the park.
Later I'll dream about my girlfriend
as I lie alone in the dark.

She's got short red hair and blue eyes
and her swimsuit is also blue
and her little brother is retarded,
but Jesus loves him, too.
And Jesus loves our president,
even though he is a Catholic.
There's alot for a boy to think about
as he walks along the railroad tracks.

And my sister won't get carsick
'cause we're only going half a mile
and the car still has that new car smell
and Dad looks like he might smile
and the world is big and full of Autumn
and I'm as hungry as can be
and we're in our brand new '64 Dodge
November of '63.

November...


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: Whippoorwill
Date: 18 Jun 98 - 11:40 AM

Art:
I've been out of touch for a few weeks, and just saw your posting of May 13. That is exactly what I was looking for. My heartfelt thanks - that chorus had been boring into my tiny mind for the last 35 years. And thanks as well for the other good things you've posted.

Whip


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Subject: Lyr Add: ASKING SONG (Tony Townsend)
From: Art Thieme
Date: 12 Jul 98 - 05:51 PM

Whip,

Thanks--glad I helped but it was by accident; I'd forgotten your original song quest! Art (Here's another one.)

ASKING SONG (by Tony Townsend)
Tony Townsend played a club called the Fickle Pickel (Chicago) in the mid 60s---I bought his LP to get this song. Never saw him again...

Asking song we sing of him,
Who joined in battle tyrants grim,
Strong and brave, young and proud,
Shot to death in a friendly crowd,
Gone forever from this earth,
Soul of goodness, heart of worth,
What for us is left behind?
A touch of death for all mankind.

Who determines and who is to know,
Just who's to stay and who's to go?
Who is master, who is he,
Who determines when it's time to sleep?
Why should he who gave so much,
Bear the devil's fatal touch?
Why on earth does evil reign,
When promises become a little game?

How to honor him we knew
Whom one of us in anger slew,
Rize again and vengence fling,
Or struggle on the distant peace to bring,
Down the river now we flow,
Now reluctant but on we go,
We met a man somewhere upstream,
Who gave a hand and left a dream.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: Art Thieme
Date: 02 Aug 98 - 06:22 PM

My Kennedy collection is at a possible publisher---even as we speak. Sent off the only copy as I couldn't get it coppied because of copyright problems (nobody would do it here)!
Until later---END OF THREAD---at least for now.


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination & Funeral
From: Sandy E. Dickerson sdi063@airmail.net
Date: 09 Jan 99 - 01:38 AM

I need these tivia questions answered before Sunday p.m..... Please help!!

JFK's Code Name by CIA Jaquelyn's Code Name by CIA Name of Horse in funeral procession with one stirrup over back representing a "fallen leader".

If you can help me pleae send to e=mail address aobve.


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: Liam's Brother
Date: 09 Jan 99 - 11:41 AM

I seem to recall that Big Joe Williams may have written a song about the assassination. I will try and look for this next time I go to the storage room.
All the best,
Dan


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: Art Thieme
Date: 09 Jan 99 - 02:54 PM

I seem to remember that the name of the horse was BLACKJACK (after Gen. Pershing's nickname).

JFK's codename was something like JAVELIN (or SPEAR or MISSILE)---something like that...

Dan,

BIG JOE, who first gave me the idea for a 9-string guitar, sang his JFK assassination song on the LP I mentioned earlier in this thread (now not a thread, but a ball of string) __CAN'T KEEP FROM CRYING--TOPICAL BLUES ON THE DEATH OF JOHN KENNEDY__ (a CD now). P.S.---I just ordered your CD from Sandy. Truly lookin' forward to hearing it.

Art


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: Art Thieme
Date: 24 Jan 99 - 12:18 PM

Is the subject of this thread anything less than the facade we're forced to watch being played out in slow motion in the halls of Congress as we speak?

I think not!

I look at both houses of that institution and all I can think of to say is, "ET TU BRUTE"

Art


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Jul 99 - 11:50 AM

Here ya go, Art. I found it in Forum search with your name as User. I was wondering if anyone was going to do a thread for JFK, Jr. I would love to see the song you mentioned.

love, kat


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE BOY SALUTES (Malvina Reynolds)
From: Art Thieme
Date: 21 Jul 99 - 07:35 PM

Kat & Joe, Thank you! Some day I'll figure out how to do these things. I actually did put my name in & was told the search found nothing... (A doctor once told me the same thing when he looked into my ears!)

Anyhow, this song, "THE BOY SALUTES", was written by Malvina Reynolds.
She wrote "Little Boxes" , "The Battle Of Maxton Field" and many other good songs. From what Pete Seeger has said, her ambition was to write a song a day. And she did that, apparently, until she passed away at a rather advanced age. To those of you too young to understand why this is traumatic to those of us alive when President John sr. was killed, just listen to the words of this song that was printed in __BROADSIDE__, a magazine of topical songs (songs about topics and events rather than "moon, June, croon & spoon"). These singer/songwriters were pretty much writing ballads and songs with the traditional styles as their models.

Issue #37---January 1st, 1964 -- @Schroder Music Co.

Art

The little boy salutes the casket,
On the caisson passing through,
He salutes the nation's flag,
As his daddy taught him to.

Chorus)
There's so much anger in the air,
So many bullets fly,
It's time for love to take a hand,
And love is passing by,
Daddy, goodbye.

The little boy stands on the curb stone,
Where the black horse goes his way,
There is no one in the saddle,
Where a man rode yesterday.

2nd chorus)
There's so much sorrow in the air,
So many tears to dry,
It's time for love to take a hand,
And love is passing by,
Daddy, goodbye.

There's so much grieving in the in the world,
Where the kings and princes go,
And they walk like men in mourning,
And their step is sad and slow.

3rd chorus)The little boy stands on the sidewalk,
The children asking why,
It's time for love to take a hand,
And love is passing by,
Daddy, goodbye.


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: Art Thieme
Date: 21 Jul 99 - 08:22 PM

WHOOPS!! Seems I already posted "THE BOY SALUTES" a long while back. (sheepishly, "sorry".)

Here'a suggestion: Please look at "God's Game Of Checkers", posted earlier in this thread. It was recorded by Red River Dave McEnery, the composer of "Amelia Earhart's Last Flight" on Bluebonnet Records. It's a "letter of support" from R.R.Dave to the young John jr. following the death of his father.

Art


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: Sourdough
Date: 21 Jul 99 - 08:46 PM

Red River Dave wrote a song about a kennedy. It is called "The Ballad of Dike Bridge", The Story of Mary Jo Kopeckne. A friend gave me the sheet musinc back when the song was new-minted. I had just returned from Chappaquidick and had seen, first hand, the roads and the bridge. I have no idea where the sheet music is today. I expect it will bubble to the surface in the ocean of "things" i have collected over the years. This time, I'll grab it!

RR Dave didn't get much coverage of thatsong. He did better with his Ballad of Appolo 11.

Sourdough


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Subject: Lyr Add: THERE'S A NEW MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE
From: Art Thieme
Date: 21 Jul 99 - 09:26 PM

Here's a song that came out right after John Kennedy jr. was born.

THERE'S A NEW MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE
by Tepper and Bennett (ABC Paramount 45 rpm record #45-10178)
Art

November 1960 will go down in history,
They danced the jig in Dublin and in Washington D.C.
For a little while there it was nip and tuck,
Now Democrats and Republicans are wishing him good luck.

chorus)
There's a new man in the White House,
And everyone's shouting hip-hooray-ay-ay-ay,
There's a new man in the White House,
And we've got a hunch he's gonna do O.K-E-N-N-E-D-Y

There's going to be some changes made the White House never saw,
That stately hall aint' never seen the likes of him at all,
He's got a way of charming honey from a bee,
He's the pride of the U.S.A. and all his family.

chorus)

He's sitting in the White House on the highest chair of all,
He's going to make us stand up; with our help he'll never fall,
He's the very youngest White House resident,
And begorrah his daddy is the youngest president.

chorus)

There's a new man in the White House,
And everybody's shouting hip-hooray-ay-ay-ay,
For the young man in the White House,
Three cheers for baby John F. Kennedy.


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Jul 99 - 10:17 PM

Thanks, Art. I was wondering why nobody started a thread about JFK Jr. I didn't because I still held out hope. What a sad, sad thing to have happen. Those poor families. It just doesn't seem fair. His dad was the first president I really was old enough to take an interest in; the day he was killed I almost gave up trying to understand politics and violence, along with a whole lot of other things.

May they all rest in Peace Profound and may Caroline Kennedy stay safe within the bonds of love of her remaining family.

kat


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Subject: Lyr Add: MY DADDY IS PRESIDENT
From: Art Thieme
Date: 21 Jul 99 - 11:11 PM

One more old song from those Camelot years--this time about Caroline Kennedy.--------Art

MY DADDY IS PRESIDENT
as recorded by little Joann Morse

My daddy is president--what does your daddy do?
I live in a big white house on Pennsylvania Avenue,
I always hide behind a desk in daddy's den,
When I play hide-and-seek with Secret Service men.

My daddy is president--we had a busy day,
I'm learning the alphabet---A,B,C,D---J.F.K.
I don't play house--I play the game of government,
'Cause my daddy is the president.

At his first press conference I made news,
Wearing mom's high-heeled shoes,
And every time I'm able,
I'm under the conference table.

My daddy is president---we make a happy pair,
I get to go for my pony rides--he rides in his rocking chair,
No matter what I do it makes a news event,
'Cause my daddy is the president.


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: Max
Date: 21 Jul 99 - 11:19 PM

Was Leadbelly's "He is the Man" about JFK?


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: Art Thieme
Date: 22 Jul 99 - 10:23 AM

An amazing idea, Max! I don't know. Anyone else have an idea ?

Art


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: Art Thieme
Date: 22 Jul 99 - 10:25 AM

Wait, Leadbelly died in 1948---right? Couldn't've been about JFK. Right?

Art


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: Art Thieme
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 05:13 PM

refresh


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Subject: Lyr Add: BILLY SOL
From: Art Thieme
Date: 01 Nov 00 - 06:15 PM

Billy Sol
tune: Jay Gould's Daughter
by D. Brooks

From the town of Pecos in the heart of Texas,
Came a mighty operator named Billy Sol Estes,
In a land where manipulation is the thing,
Billy Sol's the undisputed king.

Chorus:
Billy Sol, Billy Sol,
Biggest wheeler dealer of them all.

When he was just a boy the people they did say,
He'll be the greatest future farmer in the U.S.A.
The Chamber of Commerce gave him a big hand,
Said he'd be the best businessman in the land.

Billy Sol studied hard and he soon could see,
Why this is called the land of opportunity,
There are so many things that a man can do,
If he don't mind who he's doin' 'em to.

Well, Billy sol learned; what do ya think of that?
Some men can be bought with a Stetson hat.
Just how many men, only Billy Sol knows,
Will sell themselves for a suit of clothes.

If you really want to be a great capitalist,
Get some fertilizer tanks that don't exist,
And the money comes down like a shower of rain,
If you get contracts to store that government grain.

Set youyrself up with those invisible tanks,
Soon ya got fifty million bucks in nine big banks,
The profits roll in 'cause, as Billy Sol knows,
Many a man can be bought for a suit of clothes.

Some folks failed as Billy wheeled and dealed,
Mr. Marshall is laying dead out in the cotton field,
The coroner said it was suicide,
Five bullets in the back before he died.

Billy farmed the farmers, they were his meat,
He farmed the big city bankers who are hard to beat,
Washington was his very next stop,
And here he planted his biggest crop.

Assistant Labor Secretary Holleman was full of fear,
Of atarving to death on $20,000.00 a year,
So Billy said, "Here, take this thousand dollar bill,
Buy yourself some victuals and eat your fill."

Out onto the floor stepped Senator Yarborough,
Said he always knew Billy as a solid churchgoer,
"When in paying my bills it was getting late,
He put $1,700.00 in my collection plate."

Congressman Anderson has a little coal mine,
Billy thought the mine wasn't much but the stock looks fine,
Gave him $5,000.00 and said to keep the change,
That he'd send him more from back on the range.

Now President Kennedy declared, "What impropriety,
Just when I'vew got so many troubles across the sea,
I've got to fence Billy Boy in without fail,
So I'll put 75 F.B.I. men on his tail.

Now Washington's excited and they're going to invesatigate,
Try to clean up the scandal before it's too late,
But where they'll go God only knows,
Next time they need a new suit of clothes.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

BILLY SOL
by Phil Ochs
tune: "JESSE JAMES"

It was in the year of 1953,
The chamber of commerce took a vote,
They picked ten rising young men and Bill was one of them,
But the government disagreed---and I quote:

Chorus)
Stand tall Billy Sol, we don't know you at all,
Take down those pictures from the wall,
We don't want to handle an agriculture scandal,
We've got to face elections in the Fall.

Billy started out with just one little lamb,
His fortune just grew and grew,
But irregularity in his share of parity,
Came to light and the charges really flew.

J.F.K. denied and Orville Freeman sighed,
He said that everyone around was fair and square,
But he was no more convincin' than Ezra Taft Benson,
As resignations cropped up everywhere.

And now I'd like to say that crime sure doesn't pay,
But if you want to make some money on the sly,
You can always rent -- the U.S. government,
It's the best one that money can buy.


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: GUEST,Gator gone Adirondack...
Date: 02 Nov 00 - 06:43 PM

I'm amazed..... Been into Gordon since '69... (Old Dan's), and Never heard this song.... And I thought I had them all... Goin' back to "Lightfoot" .

How did I miss it,,, And how may I find it???

Thanks!!!


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: Art Thieme
Date: 02 Nov 00 - 10:10 PM

I don't think Gordon ever recorded it. It was on a 4-song demo 7-inch LP (33 & a third rpm) he sent around to clubs in the later 60s to hustle work. I taped it off that little record----one he had sent to a folk club bar called MOTHER BLUES that was owned by the late great lady, Lorraine Blue. Amazing music was heard in that club.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Nov 00 - 10:47 PM

Who are (Theordore)Sorenson, (Pierre) Salinger, (Adlai)Stevenson, (Arthur) Schlesinger, (McGeorge) Bundy and (?) Dillon and (Dean)Rusk????

E'er late than ne'er, Art! (Who is Dillon?)

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: MarkS
Date: 02 Nov 00 - 11:58 PM

Probably C.Douglas Dillon, the Secretary of the Treasury.

The rest were cabinet members and advisors. Together with luninaries like MacNamara they made up the Best and the Brightest and gave us the Vietman war.

Guess I'm really showing my age. More trivia - what was the first name of McGeorge Bundys brother?
MarkS


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: GUEST,paddy
Date: 03 Nov 00 - 12:03 AM

God Almighty, let the poor man rest. He wasn't that great of a president (even less of a man) after all.


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: Art Thieme
Date: 03 Nov 00 - 01:18 AM

YES, all members of the cabinet during the reign of J.F.K.

Folks, I am still looking for songs about the life, times and assassination of John Kennedy. The collection is now at the Library of Congress but my search goes on. The two songs I just posted here on Billy Sol Estes were asked for in another thread but digging those two out gave me a chance to revive this old thread. One never knows what might turn up.

Thanks again. If nothing else comes of this I'll revive this thread yet again..........in another year-------or so...

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: rube1
Date: 03 Nov 00 - 06:10 AM

Here's one for you, "Right on Houston" by White Self Existing Dog. Great song, great video at the Incredibly Small Concert Hallhttp://www.smallhall.com/WSEDog/dindex.html I'm not so good at links so you might have to search it out.

He turned right on Houston Should have just kept going But he turned left on Elm Cause he had no way of knowing ...


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: mkebenn
Date: 03 Nov 00 - 08:17 AM

MarcB, As I remember, Phil Ochs was attacked in South Africa during a robbery. His vocal chords were damaged so badly that he could no longer sing and that is why he took his own life. I've got to believe that given the great volume of work he created he must have gotten over the "Dylan" thing.

Clack, Clack, Clack John Stewart, from "Willard"

Clack, Clack, Clack, as the train goes rollin' down the track to carry me home, back where I belong.{repete}

That was Bobby's song that I wrote without thinking,every word, every word. Now that Bobby's gone, this is my world crying when I heard, when I heard.

Newbie member, Mike Bennett


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: Art Thieme
Date: 03 Nov 00 - 03:34 PM

Mike,

John Stewart was traveling with Bobby Kennedy and singing songs to push his candidacy. I saw him at a rally for Bobby in Newport, Oregon--on the coast. Bobby lost that primary to m' man Eugene McCarthy. One week later, Bobby was murdered in Los Angeles.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: Art Thieme
Date: 28 Jul 02 - 11:59 AM

REFRESH for Greg Stevens


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 29 Jul 02 - 09:33 AM

Despite the "Refresh" above, this thread has moved on!
please post new messages to This Thread.







New messages to This Thread


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: Art Thieme
Date: 17 Dec 03 - 01:21 AM

refrsh

For the folks interested in this topic who only know the other short thread.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: GUEST,whitelf2000
Date: 17 Mar 04 - 06:34 PM

I'm looking for a song about the death of JFK and it goes like this:

On Nov 22 1963, a sunny day in TX in a town they call big D
a man was killed and changed the entire course of history, his
name was John Fitzgerald Kennedy......

can someone help me with this song

tks


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Subject: Lyr Add: NOVEMBER 22ND 1963 (Tom T Hall)
From: Art Thieme
Date: 18 Mar 04 - 12:59 PM

The song you are looking for was written by TOM T. HALL. Here are the words as sung and recorded by Jimmy Newman.

November 22nd, 1963

When you sing this song be brave and sing it loud and strong and clear,
John F. Kennedy was not a man to ever speak in fear,
Pick up the flag, march on in peace and pray that there will be
More men like John Fitzgerald Kennedy.

On November 22nd, nineteen-hundred-sixty-three,
A sunny day in Texas in a town they call Big D,
A man was killed who changed the course of history,
His name was John Fitzgerald Kennedy.

He was riding in a motorcade that sad and fateful day,
Mrs. Connelley turned to him with a voice so proud and gay,
She pointed out that people here had treated him real nice,
Minutes later bullets took his precious life.

Mrs. Kennedy cried, "O, no." and she caught him as he fell,
What the world lost at that moment only history can tell,
They rushed him to the hospital---took five minutes on the way,
As the word flashed 'round the world to stop and pray.

It was over in just minutes; John F. Kennedy was dead,
Disbelief, shock and sorrow; the people bowed their heads,
Mrs. Kennedy stood by him as the tears came to her eyes,
Put her ring upon his hand and then kissed him goodbye.

The pens of man will scribble on in sad futility,
Perhaps a paragraph or two will touch reality,
John Kennedy was proud and brave and his story has been told,
May his home be blessed and may God rest his soul.

Sing the first verse once more.

Art Thieme--I hope this helps you out.


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Subject: Need help with a Kennedy song
From: GUEST,cmh
Date: 31 May 04 - 12:41 AM

My father part-recorded a song from the tv coverage of Bobby Kennedy's funeral that was shown in Australia. I've never been able to track down either the songwriter or the title and I don't know whether it was originally written for JFK or RFK or was a folk song adapted for the occasion. My Dad reckons it is by Tom Paxton. I don't think so, although I understand that Paxton played "Outward Bound" for a CBS memorial for Robert Kennedy. Anyway, here's the fragment I recall:

Where then lay you down
On a hillside by the town
Some may say goodbye, they will
But I know your heart is beating still

Can someone help me out here? I've been trying to track this down for over 20 years.


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Subject: RE: Kennedy Assassination
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 31 May 04 - 05:18 PM

Anniversary of Bobby's death on Friday - June 4TH.

I hope that song turns up. And I'm also curious about any songs written about Bobby Kennedy's assassination.


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Subject: Lyr Add: WELL THEN, LAY YOU DOWN
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 31 May 04 - 10:03 PM

Dear CMH,

It seems rather fitting that this is Memorial Day here in the USA. Many of us then alive hated to see Robert Kennedy pick up the torch where his brother had put it down. It seemed to be tempting fate.

There is a photo I took of Robert Kennedy and his wife Ethel campaigning in the town of Newport, Oregon in the primary -- 1968--on the site with all my other mostly folk scene photos I've taken over the last four decades. Go to:

http://rudegnu.com/art_thieme.html

The song you are looking for actually was written by Tom Paxton. It is called

WELL THEN, LAY YOU DOWN

Ah, you knew it had to come,
One more day of muffled drums,
You knew it, ah, you had to know,
And still your courage told you, "Go."

(chorus)
Well then, lay you down,
On your hillside by the town,
Some will say farewell, they will,
I think that heart is beating still.

Ah, you knew how this would end,
You made the friendless man your friend,
We knew the danger and told you so,
And still your courage told you, "Go."

Now they've wrapped the train in black,
Gathered along the railroad track,
You knew it, ah, you had to know,
And still your courage told you, "Go."

When the truly brave man dies,
Thousands more will surely rise,
You knew it, ah, you had to know,
Their courage too will tell them, "Go."


(Art Thieme


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Subject: Lyr Add: SECONDS and GLAD I'M NOT A KENNEDY
From: GUEST,CMH
Date: 01 Jun 04 - 10:49 PM

Art,
You're a godsend. Do you happen to know whether Paxton ever recorded Lay You Down? In thanks, let me add to this thread's impressive collection of lyrics.

The first song is called "Seconds" by a UK 1980s group, Human League:

All day
Hiding from the sun
Waiting for the golden one
Waiting for your fame
After the parade has gone

Outside was a happy place
Every face had a smile like the golden face
For a second
Your knuckles white as your fingers curl
The shot that was heard around the world
For a second

Refrain :

It took seconds of your time to take his life
It took seconds

(Refrain)

It took seconds of your time to take his life
It took seconds of your time to take his life
Seconds
Seconds

(Refrain twice)

For a second

(Refrain twice)

For a second

It took seconds of your time to take his life
Seconds of your time to take his life
For a second
For a second
For a second


The second song was a big hit in Australia and New Zealand in the 1985. It interweaved lyrics with extracts of JFK speeches quite well. The music video featuring JFK footage was also popular.

It was called "Glad I'm Not a Kennedy" by Shona Laing, a New Zealander:

Living on through politics
Body-guarded, heart in bits
A blue-eyed honesty
Indigo injury
The family tree is felled
Bereavement worn so well
Giving up on certainty
Wilderness society

Wearing the fame like a loaded gun
Tied up with a rosary
I'm glad I'm not a Kennedy

Imagine being a Kennedy
Rule without remedy
To watch your family die
The world loves a sacrifice
Prophets longing for the three
Honouring the tragedy
They hunger for the crime
The privilege to take a life

Wearing the fame like a loaded gun
Tied up with a rosary
Ooh, I'm glad I'm not a Kennedy

...and is not peace basically
A matter of human rights?
The right to live out our lives
Without fear of devastation?
The right to breathe air
As nature provided it?
The right of future generations
To a healthy existence?
Let us if we can step back from
The shadows of war and seek out
The way of peace...

I love the look in your eyes
I can see your soul sometimes and we laugh
When we try too hard we stop and start
Oh imagine being a Kennedy
I'm glad I'm not a Kennedy

Wearing the fame like a loaded gun
Tied up with a rosary
I'm glad I'm not a Kennedy

Imagine being a Kennedy
Ooh I'm glad I'm not a Kennedy

...the cost of freedom is always high,
Yet one path we shall never choose
- that is the path of surrender or submission.
When a man's way please the lord,
The scriptures tell us,
'He maketh even his enemies
To be at peace with him'.
We will not prematurely or unnecessarily
Risk the course of worldwide nuclear war
In which even the fruits of victory
Would be ashes in our mouths
Ashes in our mouths...
Ashes in our mouths...
Ashes in our mouths...

Regards
CMH


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