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Four Maries - 2 missing lines in DT

DigiTrad:
FOUR MARY'S
MARY HAMILTON
MARY HAMILTON (2)
MARY MILD
THE FOUR MARIES


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Alice 04 Jul 00 - 02:17 PM
GUEST,Bruce O. 04 Jul 00 - 02:46 PM
Scabby Douglas 05 Jul 00 - 05:08 AM
IanC 05 Jul 00 - 05:18 AM
Joe Offer 02 Dec 09 - 07:00 PM
Susan of DT 02 Dec 09 - 08:47 PM
GUEST 02 Dec 09 - 09:13 PM
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Subject: Lyr Add: THE FOUR MARIES^^^
From: Alice
Date: 04 Jul 00 - 02:17 PM

I was looking in the DT and forum archives at the different versions of Mary Hamilton and The Four Maries, and discovered that the version Child #173 The Four Maries, is missing two lines in the verse that describes her shoes. Can anyone provide the missing words?
This is how it is printed in the DT, credited to the Grieg-Duncan Collection.

THE FOUR MARIES (from the Digital Tradition)

Yestreen there were four Maries
The nicht there'll be but three
There was Mary Beaton and Mary Seaton
And Mary Carlmichael and me.

Come doon, come doon, my Mary Mild
Come low doon by my hand,
For there's nae a Mary in my bower
But'll be at your command.

For no, for no, Madam, the Queen,
For no, it maunna be,
There's nae a Mary in your bower,
But would think fu little o' me.

Play up, play up, noo Geordie Cooper,
And ye sall hae my hose.
For they were dyed at the West Brunell
As rid as onie rose.

Play up, play up, noo, Geordie Cooper,
And ye sall hae my shoon
-----
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Ye'll tak a napkin roon' my een
And ye'll nae lat me see to dee,
And ye'll nae lat on to my father or mither,
But I'm awa ower the sea.

Oh little did my mither think,
When first she cradled me,
That I wad dee sae far frae hame,
Or hing on a gallows tree.

But little care I for a nameless grave,
For I've hopes for eternity,
But I pray that the faith o' the dying thief
May be granted through grace unto me.


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Subject: RE: Four Maries - 2 missing lines in DT
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 04 Jul 00 - 02:46 PM

It was collected from Susan and Mary Strachan in 1916, as given above. There isn't any more of that version. There are two better versions in the Grieg-Duncan collection.


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Subject: RE: Four Maries - 2 missing lines in DT
From: Scabby Douglas
Date: 05 Jul 00 - 05:08 AM

Apart from anything else - is this an early record of transvestism - or shoe fetishism?

I mean what would Geordie Cooper be wanting with Mary's shoes for God's sake???
Or her hose for that matter?
cheers all


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Subject: RE: Four Maries - 2 missing lines in DT
From: IanC
Date: 05 Jul 00 - 05:18 AM

Doug

Think of shoes as extremely expensive items. He would sell them.

Cheers
Ian


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Subject: RE: Four Maries - 2 missing lines in DT
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Dec 09 - 07:00 PM

I checked the DT text, and it is an accurate transcription of #195 (Volume 2) in the Greig-Duncan Collection, except for the incorrect spelling of the words Carmichael and Greig.

The two missing lines are also missing in the Greig-Duncan book, but it made me wonder. Is there another version that would give us an idea what those two missing lines might be? Outside the Digital Tradition and the Greig-Duncan book, the only mention I can find of "Geordie Cooper" was at mustrad.org which cites the same Greig-Duncan volume. But is there another "Four Marys" version that has a "shoon" verse?

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Four Maries - 2 missing lines in DT
From: Susan of DT
Date: 02 Dec 09 - 08:47 PM

For a different shoe reference, see MARYHAM2 "The corks fae her heels did flee" when she was condemned to dee.


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Subject: RE: Four Maries - 2 missing lines in DT
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Dec 09 - 09:13 PM

"And ye sall hae my shoon"

A google of the above in quotation marks gives two places that use that clause. Both are Mudcat.


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