Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: Cobble Date: 18 Jul 00 - 07:31 PM Sorry must have pressed the wrong thingy, will try harder next time. Im just a beginner at mudcat. |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: GUEST,Guest HarryA Date: 07 Jul 00 - 08:08 PM If you're in the Detroit/Windsor area, there is an open Mic night usually on the 2nd Friday of each month from Sept to June. It's at Mackenzie Hall in Windsor. For directions you can e-mail me at hrat@uwindsor.ca. For 10 years from 1983 to 1993, my family ran The Old Sandwich Song Circle (Sandwich was the original European settlement in Ontario, and is now part of Windsor. It was inspired by some visits to the Vancouver Song Circle in 1982. It was fun, but we got tired.). Cheers Harold |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: Branwen23 Date: 07 Jul 00 - 12:25 PM I am also interested in finding something in the Dallas, Texas area.... anyone with info please email me at: branwen_@hotmail.com -branwen- |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: GUEST,Kimba Date: 29 Jun 00 - 09:12 PM Hi, Everyone, Does anyone know of any Song Circles in the Providence, RI area? Thanks! Kimba |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: GUEST,rbscos@mailexcite.com Date: 28 Jun 00 - 08:15 PM Does anyone know of any songcircles on and around Rochester, NY? Thanks.
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Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: GUEST,Central NY Date: 28 Jun 00 - 07:53 PM Anyone know about song circles in Central New York? Specifically Utica/Rome area but Syracuse-Amsterdam would work if the day & time are right. I've heard rumor of Salt City something in Syracuse but no detals. |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: wysiwyg Date: 27 Jun 00 - 06:03 PM Naw, Bert, it just won't work to try for dates. How about a chart with location and contact e-mail info? I would want to check before going to any song circle anyway, wouldn't you? I don't think WHEN is as important as knowing IF there is one possible--- maybe the chart could include nearest big city and distance from it, or the name of the county the place is in.... ~S~ |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: Bert Date: 27 Jun 00 - 05:58 PM Thanks John. |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: GUEST,John Leeder Date: 27 Jun 00 - 05:46 PM Bert, the next Calgary date in July 29; after that, who knows? |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: Bert Date: 27 Jun 00 - 04:49 PM Give me REAL dates guys. |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: GUEST,John Leeder in Calgary Date: 27 Jun 00 - 04:44 PM Put me down as a contact for the Calgary Singers' Circle: John Leeder (403) 230-0340 (home) or 750-1258 (work); leeders@nucleus.com (home) or john.leeder@carswell.com (work). The circle gets together approximately one Saturday per month at someone's home (date and location are determined from month to month). There is no organized society as such, and arrangements are kept as simple as possible. We maintain a phone list, and one volunteer phones people who weren't at the last session. We've been in existence for over 20 years, and a few originals are still around, so we've developed some traditions and conventions. It's a singer's circle – some people sing a capella, some people accompany themselves and sometimes invite the other instrumentalists to play along, but nobody plays instrumentals as such. A non-singer (there are a few, singers' spouses, etc.) may tell a story or recite a poem. We go around the circle, and everyone has a turn, but may pass or request a song rather than taking the lead themselves. The core members are into traditional folk songs, but no type of song is forbidden – whatever happens happens. There's a wide range of abilities and experience, ranging from semi-pro to "can't carry a tune in a basket", but everybody has an equal shot. We try to be inclusive, to make newcomers welcome, and to encourage people and provide a safe environment for them to develop their singing skills. Some people rely on "Rise Up Singing", and some people make a point of not relying on it – it's "the great equalizer" for the less confident. Normally there is no theme, especially not stated in advance, although sometimes a theme will suggest itself as the evening progresses. Everybody brings finger-food, so that the host doesn't have to be daunted by putting on a spread – usually just tea and coffee are enough, and those who want cold drinks bring them themselves. (Alcohol is not forbidden, but is unusual.) We break for snacks before the final round. (A few people who are known to be gourmet cooks are not discouraged from putting on a bit more of a spread than usual when they host!) We've had as many as 39 people and as few as 3, but 14-18 seems to be an ideal number. Fewer than that and there may be more rounds than the less confident are prepared for; more than that and there aren't enough turns to satisfy the more confident. This sort of circle is pretty easy to start – all you need is a few people to participate, and a house to hold it in. I'm surprised to hear that there are cities which don't have one! Any questions? |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: Joe Offer Date: 27 Jun 00 - 03:22 AM Hi, Bert - most song circles meet on the same day of the month, month after month, year after year. In Sacramento, it's the second Friday of every month. It's on the first Friday of the month in nearby Auburn. For song circle to be successful, exceptions to the regular meeting dates should be rare. I can't see how a calendar with exact dates would make things more clear. Or am I failing to understand what you're looking for? -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: Pontiac Joe Date: 26 Jun 00 - 04:03 PM Website for the "Full circle music society" Reading Pa. http://members.tripod.com/full_circle_ms/index.htm |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: Liam's Brother Date: 26 Jun 00 - 03:10 PM I'm very pleased to tell you that The New York Traditional Singers' Circle will be held on the LAST WEDNESDAY OF EVERY MONTH beginning on July 26th at 8.15pm in Cissie Mac's Bar, downstairs at Nevada Smith's, 74 Third Avenue (between 11th & 12th Streets) in Manhattan. On Circle nights, Cissie Mac's will be solely dedicated for our use. If you live near NYC, we look forward to seeing you on the last Wednesday of each month. If you don't but have friends that do, please be so kind as to contact them and help spread the word. Many thanks.
All the best,
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Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: Pontiac Joe Date: 26 Jun 00 - 03:09 PM Theres one in Reading Pa. "Full circle music society" they have a website with the same name I think. They play at different art and folk shows taking donations for local children charity's. Joe |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: Bert Date: 26 Jun 00 - 12:16 PM Hi Guys, would you please translate these into exact known dates and post them to the What's on Thread. The third Friday, and fourth Thursday type of designation has too many exceptions to be reliable. Thanks a million. Bert. |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: wysiwyg Date: 26 Jun 00 - 12:03 PM Our modest efforts take place most months the third Friday, at 7PM, at St. Paul's, Wellsboro PA which is an hour from Elmira NY, Willimsport PA, Coudersport PA, and Sayre, PA. Church holidays interrupt the schedule, and for the summer we are picking on our porch, not at the church, so contact me for info. ~S~ |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: Jon W. Date: 23 Jun 00 - 04:00 PM To update the Salt Lake City, Utah area song circle I posted above: We meet 4 times a year, the fourth Thursday of May, August, and February; and the third Thursday of November so as not to interfere with Thanksgiving Day, 7:00 to 9:00 PM or later. The address is Borders bookstore, 132 E. Winchester (6400 South) in Murray, Utah. Now that I've had a couple of meetings and have a contact list, I can probably organize special sessions for any Mudcatters passing through. |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: GUEST,Jim McCrain Date: 23 Jun 00 - 01:48 AM Howdy Folks! I am trying to either find, join, or start a song circle in the Dallas, Texas area. Does anyone know of an existing circle in this region/ Would anyone like to come out and play? Contact me at jim@mccrain.net. Peace, Jim McCrain |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: black walnut Date: 26 Apr 00 - 02:42 PM just to update what tony burns said up above about THE TORONTO SONG CIRCLE. we meet weekly in different homes throughout the city, every friday night, except through the summer. we sing and (some of us) play instruments, from about 8:30 pm to 1 or 2 in the morning. i'm the email contact person for the group now, so if you want information about upcoming circles, you can email me at black.walnut@sympatico.ca, or tony at ynot@globalserve.net. ~black walnut Questions regarding the Toronto (Ontario, Canada) Song Circle, should now be addressed to songcircle@hotmail.com -Joe Offer, 4 April 2002 (per Black Walnut) |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: Sourdough Date: 26 Apr 00 - 01:02 PM We have a nomadic Song Circle in Sonoma County, CA usually meeting in a home in the Santa Rosa area once a month. Anyone intrested in contact information let me know. Sourdough |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: GUEST,Barry Finn Date: 26 Apr 00 - 10:19 AM I didn't see the one in Boston so here it is. At Paddy Burke's (third floor) on Portland St. (North End area of Boston) on Wed. evenings starting around 9.30 till ??? there's a singing club. Barry |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: ceitagh Date: 25 Apr 00 - 05:15 PM Hey, while we're on the subject.... I'm going to college in Ypsilanti Michigan next fall (I hope....stil waiting for acceptance) and I was wondering if there are any ceili's/songcircles/other mudcatters in the area. Pax, Ceit |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: Wotcha Date: 25 Apr 00 - 12:44 PM Let me add, the following: Irish Society in Kuwait; and 2 informal folk societies/circles that meet every 2 weeks in Kuwait City. Everything is done by word of mouth, there is no postal service here, so you'll find the circles eventually! Just go to the Hash! Cheers Allhamdalla Brian |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: Jon W. Date: 25 Apr 00 - 12:16 PM I'm trying to organize a song circle in the Salt Lake Valley Utah area. Our first meeting is Thursday May 4, 7:00 - 9:00 PM, at the Borders bookstore, 132 E. Winchester (6400 South) in Murray Utah. Email to whitney-fam@softcom.net for more info. |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 24 Apr 00 - 08:59 PM ABout TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO!!!! Joe Offer started this thread with a question about song circles in Indiana. At the risk of seeming in an unseemly rush to get here first, here's a two-part answer for the central part of the state:
Older of the two clubs (by far) is the Central Indiana Folk Music and Mountain Dulcimer Society, which meets on the second Sunday of each month from 2:00 PM until 5:00 PM. It meets at a Lutheran Church on the north side of Indianapolis. Although I'm a member of the club, and could drive you right to it, I'm durned if I can think of the name and address of the church. If you need further details, read the rest of this thread, and I will try to find out and post it. If I haven't by the time you get that far, give me one of Max's Personal Messages, and I'll work with you.
The format of the CIFM&MDS is threefold:
First hour, Show Time! Sign up, if you like, to perform on the little stage, with PA system.
Second hour, general jam session. Perhaps 5 fiddlers, ten to twelve mountain dulcimers, one or two banjos, eight or nine guitars, an accordion maybe, could be a washboard, maybe a harmonica--whatever walks in the door. No RUS, but the club has a looseleaf songbook, free to paidup members, which is relied upon fairly heavily during the jam. In that same hour, some months someone will be conducting a workshop on some instrument in another room.
Third hour: "Sharing Circle". This is most like what we've been talking about as a song circle. Big circle, just once around: introduce yourself and play/sing, or pass. Sing or play anything you like. Very permissive and very supportive atmosphere. The club puts together groups to play various gigs around Central Indiana, at libraries, nursing homes, etc. When there's a fee for the gig, it goes to the club to help pay for the annual Christmas party. The December meeting, with the party, is open only to current paid up members. $15.00 a year dues. The second group, Just organized about the beginning of 2000, is the Green Pastures Folk Music Club, which meets from 2:00 PM until 4:00 PM on the fourth Sunday of each month at the Noblesville Public Library, 1 Library Plaza, Noblesville, Indiana. No dues, no officers, no book, no refreshments. Just come and play or sing or listen. OT, country, folk, whatever you want to do when it comes your turn. It seems acoustic music is assumed, but there's no stated rule (on anything, really), and we've never been faced with the necessity to deal say with an electric guitar player showing up. Turnout in the four or five months it's been running has been anywhere from four to twenty plus a few listeners. It's not too uncommon for others to join in, playing along with the current performer. Some performers ask for others to join; some prefer the solo position and make that fairly obvious by their presentation. (I'm one of those.) Dave Oesterreich |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: CarlZen Date: 24 Jul 99 - 12:03 AM We have an open jam session on the second and fourth Wednesday of each month at the South Side Coffee Company, 107 South "H" Street, Lompoc, CA. We're a small town, off the beaten track, but we often find that people get sent to work on various provects at Vandenberg AFB amble into our little sessions and enjoy it. Lompoc was the location for W.C Fields' The Bank Dick. "Ahh, yes, Lahhhmm - pock..." Anyway, please join us. |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: Easy Rider Date: 19 Jul 99 - 09:41 AM There is an open song circle, sponsored by the Pinewoods Folk Music Society & BSEC, on the first Wednesday of every month, from 6:30 - 9:30 PM, at: The Brooklyn Society for Ethical Culture 53 Prospect Park West (betw. 1st & 2nd Sts.) Brooklyn NY 11215 See you there... |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: dusterjim Date: 19 Jul 99 - 05:03 AM Hey still looking for Jam sessions in the Seattle/Shoreline area (and by the way, the Jam in Scio Ore. has been canceled untill a permanent site can be located, but it still happens from time to time here and there) Jim |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: Tony Burns Date: 21 Apr 99 - 06:45 PM Let me offer to be the contact for the Toronto Song Circle. I can't give you a location because it is at a different person's home each week. With the exception of July and August it occurs pretty well every Friday. If you are going to be in the area let me know and I'll tell you where the circle(s) will be while you are here. You can reach me at ynot@globalserve.net. btw - I was in Victoria, British Columbia in January and was fortunate enough to be able to attend one of their Nautical Song Circles. I would be happy to pass on contact information for that event for anyone who cares to send me email. Questions regarding the Toronto (Ontario, Canada) Song Circle, should now be addressed to songcircle@hotmail.com -Joe Offer, 4 April 2002 (per Black Walnut) |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: Matthew B. Date: 21 Apr 99 - 06:21 PM Just for the record, we have some AMAZING song circles in New York City. If any of you folks ever plan to be in the area, just write me (MattGB1@Juno.Com) for the details. |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: LEJ Date: 20 Apr 99 - 02:07 PM First of all, great nickname "Mudcatroid"! But second, what the heck ya mean "havt to work there a whole darn month"? Could be worse...could be Newark, New Jersey...or Casper, Wyoming (I'm KIDDIN Katlaf). Search for the Denver Folklore Center on-line. They will be sponsoring several events while you are here. LEJ |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations (Denver) From: Mudcatroid Date: 20 Apr 99 - 01:54 PM Say, did anybody find out if there's folk singing in or near Denver? I have to work there for a whole darn month, and I gotta sing! Er....sorry, I got carried away. -Heavens to Mudcatroid- |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: Barbara Shaw Date: 13 Apr 99 - 08:00 AM The Branford Folk Music Society (Connecticut, USA) sponsors a song circle every month (except summer) at members' homes. The next "house hoot" will be at our house this Friday, April 16, 1999 at 7:30. (The theme for the first round of songs will be "water.") For more info about the BFMS and to subscribe to the newsletter, contact Brent Hall at bshall@home.com. |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: Lew @ Hurdy Gurdy Date: 12 Apr 99 - 11:38 PM Folk music is alive and well in New Jersey. There are several folk circles running in the northern half of the state. Sings & Strings has been holding a sing on the 4th Saturday night of the month for 25 plus years in the Bergen/Passaic area. The Folk Project has all sorts of sing opportunities and there is another long running sing in the Monmouth county area on the Jersey shore. If you would like info on any the above email me at lewgail@erols.com. Hurdy Gurdy is a folk music club with concerts 1st and 3rd Saturdays. Enjoy - Lew
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Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: Joe Offer Date: 12 Apr 99 - 10:33 PM There is folk music to be heard in Los angles, George, but it's a little hard to find. See the message from jns above. When I was there a couple years back, I campe across a couple in Long Beach who had house concerts once or twice a month - I heard Cindy Mangsen and Steve Gillette there. Oh, click here for one more recent source I found, with information about the California Traditional Music Society in Los Angeles. Have a good time, George. See if you can recruit some Southern California Mudcatteers for us. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 12 Apr 99 - 10:17 PM I'll be in Los Angeles during the 6th and 7th of May. Any ideas anyone for a place to hear either the Folk Music the Singer/Songwriter or Song Circle formats during that time frame. I'll be staying in Anaheim itself. |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: Wotcha Date: 12 Apr 99 - 07:21 PM My late English aunt (a London piano teacher for over 50 years) left volumes of materials one of which included the Holiday Song Book put together by the Holiday Fellowship committee. It is interesting to note that community sings have a great tradition on both sides of the pond. This 1935 collection includes Birtish versions of well known songs -- I tried singing Rio with a British chorus (they add "Away DOWN Rio") using this thing and got very odd looks in an NYC sing ... so I can see the danger of using books like RUS since local groups use their own versions of the song. The song book also gives some great guidance, applicable to groups in 1935 as they are in 1999: "If you have good singers in the company, see that they distribute themselves in different parts of the room ... Don't be afraid of trying the slower and quieter songs ... [t]hese form a pleasant relief from the "hullabaloo" style." Question for the Oklahoma City folks: whatever happended to the folk bar on Classen BLvd ... I'd almost swear I saw Lou Killen play there in the early 80s (well, some Geordie with Royal Naval service anyway). Cheers, Brian |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: Joe Offer Date: 12 Apr 99 - 04:46 PM I forgot I wanted to add a link to the Song Circle schedule of the Portland (Oregon) Folklore Society. In the Greater Sacramento area, there are song circle gatherings on the first Friday of the month at auburn, and on the second Friday in Sacramento and in that snowbound Sacramento suburb known as Reno. Click on my name to e-mail me for details about Sacramento/Reno/Auburn. Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: Ross Date: 12 Apr 99 - 04:43 PM Re Joe Offer's question about circles in/near Salem,Or. There are a lot open jams where you can sing or play. Several are heavy into Bluegrass. In Dallas, 10 miles from Salem is an acoustic jam every Friday at Guthrie Park. In Salem at Spiotti's Coffee House Saturdays, except first Sat of the month. A lot of old time folk/fiddle music. Sing if you want. Some swing is creeping into the Guthrie jam. |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: Dan Date: 12 Apr 99 - 04:13 PM Bill's Music Shop and Picking Parlor, W. Columbia, S.C. Bluegrass, Folk and Traditional. Very informal in a large building where you can wander around and join in with groups of 3-10 doing their own selections simultaneously. They put out a calendar you can subscribe to for free. Nothing as organized as singing out of a book. |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: Barbara Date: 12 Apr 99 - 02:27 PM Speaking of Houston, I've been organizing a small (8-15 people) song circle in Houston for a year now. (I didn't know about the Houston Folk Music Society - I guess I should look them up). We meet once or twice a month. If anyone wants to join in, you can write to me at barbara@trolls.org and I'll add you to the mailing list. |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: folk1234 Date: 26 Feb 99 - 05:59 PM Great thread. We really have a large and dispersed community. For JB3: look up the Houston Folk Music Society. They have an active club with house hoots and monthly concerts. Also some very warm & friendly people. I agree with whomever said there is not much West of the Mississippi and East of the Rockies. But let me tell you about our song circle, The Oklahoma City Traditional Music Association (www.octma.org). We meet on the 1st Saturday of each month. From 6:00 to 7:30 we have various instrumental workshops taught by members and I co-lead a song swap (different theme each month, but we also swap non-theme songs). From 8:00 to 10:00, we all gather in the auditorium for a play-around. Members and guest can sign up to perform a number while the rest of us enjoy the concert. From 10:00 to mid-night we break up into various jam sessions. From time to time we sponsor and host a workshop by touring performers. Last week we had Cathy Barton & Dave Para do a workshop entitled "Music of The Golden Ring". It was great. Cathy & Dave presented a concert at Rocky's Music Hall at Bricktown (a superb venue) later that day. We have close to 200 members, with roughly 100 members, guests, and walk-ins attending each month. Admission is free. But you must pay to get out. Only kiddin', we encourage a donation that helps pay our monthly rent. With respect to the RUS issue; over half of us have RUS; we all use it from time to time; it is neither the gospel, nor the dreaded; we also have the Old Town School Song Book from Chicago. To all 'catters, when in OK, please come visit us. |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: Joe Offer Date: 25 Feb 99 - 04:51 AM Just got a new schedule from East Bay Fiddlin' & Pickin' in Berkeley, California. They have a Sunday afternoon potluck and sessions that's out of this world. The time I went, there were groups of musicians in the front and back yards, the basement, upstairs, downstairs, and on the front porch. There was sonething for everybody, no matter what their interests or skill level. Then there's a contra dance nearby in the evening. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: Jon Bartlett Date: 25 Feb 99 - 04:11 AM The Vancouver Folk Song Society hosts a Folk Song Circle, every 1st/3rd Wednesday, running continuously since July 1959. It meets at the Friends Meeting House, 1090 W 70th Ave., just off Oak St., 8 pm. We also run a Summer retreat, real cheap for Americans (about $60 Canadian - what's that, $1.43 US?) at Camp Alexandra in nearby White Rock, this year June 25-7. Also at the Friends is the smaller and more intimate Folk Traditions Singaround, last Thursday each month, 8 pm. email me at Rika_Ruebsaat@sfu.ca for more details. |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: joe fire Date: 24 Feb 99 - 01:18 PM i'm a guitar player and i/m looking for places in southern new jersey where i can play for pay. does anybody have a listing or know where i can get one??? |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: JB3 Date: 29 May 98 - 02:49 AM Does anyone know of any song circles in Houston? I have some friends in Austin that occasionally get together to sing & play, nothing formal, but would love to find some like-minded souls closer to home. I have toyed with the thought of starting up some kind of salon or song-circle and have found the various threads on the subject thought-provoking (altho evidently not action-provoking, as yet!) Is there anyone else from Houston hanging out at Mudcat? |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: Bill D Date: 28 May 98 - 10:28 PM The next two 'Open Sings' in the Washington DC area....(July is at my house...lots of room!)we usually do 'topics' to start the brain cells working... |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: Slant Date: 28 May 98 - 10:03 AM At the risk of repeating (I think I sent this message a few months ago) - There's two very informal song circles and acoustic jam sessions in southern Florida's gulf coast. Every Thursday evening from about 6:30 or so till whenever pickers and singers get together in Gilchrist Park in Punta Gorda. Usually two - three groups form - a bluegrass/old-timey group, a singing group of modern folk and popular songs, and sometime an eclectic crew that does a little of everything. All voices and acoustic instruments are welcome. Every Friday about 7:00 in Centennial Park in Ft Myers a group gets together which is more of a semi-formal song circle. Again - all acoustic pickers, etc are welcome. Song styles range all over with no single defining path. RUS is NOT in evidence. Song picks are left entirely to the discretion of the singer/player. Hope to see some of you at either or both... |
Subject: RE: Song Circle Locations From: Joe Offer Date: 28 May 98 - 05:09 AM Hi, Kicky - it doesn't take many people to make a good song circle, If you can get a core group of four people, you've got a good start. Our Sacramento circle has some 40 people each time - it's fun, but sometimes unwieldy. I also belong to one in the Gold Rush town of Auburn, and that one often has as few as 8 people - and the singing can be wonderful. Heck, my friend Claudia and I can sing the night away, just the two of us. We find, though, that we don't sing very often when we're all alone. We can play an instrument by ourselves for hours on end, but singing seems to have a social aspect that playing an instrument doesn't have. -Joe Offer- |
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