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Origins: Senzenina
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Subject: RE: Origins: Senzenina From: Monique Date: 23 Jun 20 - 02:55 AM "Although Xhosa and Zulu are similar enough to be considered dialects of one language, Xhosa and Zulu speakers consider them to be separate languages." from Encyclopaedia Britannica |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Senzenina From: Joe Offer Date: 23 Jun 20 - 02:29 AM I got a question today about this song, and I have no idea how to answer it. The person wanted to know what part of the song is Xhosa, and what part is Zulu. Now, I know that Xhosa is the language with the clicks in it, but that's all I know. Can somebody give us deeper information about this wonderful song? The Wikipedia entry on this song is here (click). It is such a wonderful song to sing in choral harmony. -Joe- Capetown Youth Choir: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fDU1PYWT8A Hans Zimmer-Power of One Soundtrack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkvW1nNrFro Interesting version (unidentified-"Country of My Skull" film?): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99bfGyQzdT8 Pete Seeger (1964): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jRAuirpGMA Kieran Halpin (distantly related, but interesting): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nuVILswFBs |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Senzenina From: GUEST,guest-kcheyniger Date: 17 May 09 - 12:27 AM I first heard the haunting "Senzenina" chant at the end of Peter Gabriel's anthemic tribute to anti-apartheid activist Steven Biko in the song titled "Biko". Biko was murdered by police in prison in South Africa in 1977. Intense song, highly recommend it. Gabriel powerfully sang the song at many of his concerts, often leaving the crowds chanting "Biko" long after the concert ended, with Gabriel signing off by saying "The song has done its job, now the rest is up to you." I think that song, especially at the Conspiracy of Hope concerts for Amnesty International in 1986, played a significant part in keeping South African apartheid issues in the popular conscience. And then Mandela was released, and the rest is amazing history... Great to finally learn more about "Senzenina" in this blog after being moved by the music for years. Thanks, and thank you Peter Gabriel, |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Senzenina From: Stringsinger Date: 16 Feb 09 - 05:42 PM As I recall, it was used in South Africa originally as part of a non-violent protest movement. Pete Seeger did sing it. The Mandela lyrics come later. Stringsinger |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Senzenina From: GUEST,madelyne christie Date: 16 Feb 09 - 12:54 AM hi, what does senzenina mean? its for my home work and what does it mean? thanks heaps maddy (madelyne) xxx |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Senzenina From: GUEST,Julia Date: 09 Jan 09 - 11:09 PM http://humph.org/lw/concerts/13shakin/music/Senzenina.pdf This is a link to a Pdf of sheet music for this amazing song. Also in the movie "In my Country" also known as "Country of my skull" Excellent film. I have a blip of the soundtrack, since it was never published. I procure it straight from the composer. The best version I've heard. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Senzenina From: GUEST Date: 05 Nov 08 - 01:09 AM The soundtrack from the movie "The Power of One" has this and many other South African songs. It was made by Hans Zimmer and a talented South African Choir. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Senzenina From: Captain Ginger Date: 08 Apr 08 - 04:02 AM It's also on the CD that Coope, Boyes & Simpson did with the Flemish choir Wak Mar Proper, "The Christmas Truce", and very haunting it is too. It's available from the No Masters co-op. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Senzenina From: rich-joy Date: 07 Apr 08 - 09:03 PM I think this song was included on the Ysaye Barnwell (of Sweet Honey in the Rock) recording and booklet : "Singing in the African American Tradition" - a very excellent production and harmony singing tutor! Cheers! R-J |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Senzenina From: AllisonA(Animaterra) Date: 06 Apr 08 - 07:52 PM I sang this song with Turtle Dove Harmony last summer in Ireland- incredibly powerful! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Senzenina From: Jim Dixon Date: 06 Apr 08 - 01:46 PM Kieran Halpin also has a song called SENZENINA with English words which I suppose he wrote. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Senzenina From: GUEST,Tom Zalla Date: 04 Apr 08 - 10:27 PM The entire song is on the Power of One movie CD. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Senzenina From: Peace Date: 17 Mar 08 - 02:14 PM The sheet music is available in a collection at sheetmusic plus. Runs about $15. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Senzenina From: Peace Date: 17 Mar 08 - 02:07 PM '"Not only were songs with more militant lyrics composed from the 1950s onwards, but some old songs also underwent changes to reflect the mood of the people. The song Senzenina? (What have we done?), was heard throughout the liberation struggle in many versions. This is an example of a song that fulfilled the function of asserting cultural unity and assisting in societal integration, and at the same time critiquing key socio-political issues. Translated excerpts of some of the versions of Senzenina read as follows: What have we done? Our sin is that we are black. Oh UDF we love you. The Boers are dogs They will die dogs Farewell our beloved hero Let Africa return' |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Senzenina From: Peace Date: 17 Mar 08 - 02:03 PM Senzenina, senzenina? Sono sethu? Ubumnyama. Wenzenina uMandela? Benzenina abansundu? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Senzenina From: Peace Date: 17 Mar 08 - 02:01 PM www.ukzn.ac.za/joe/JoEPDFs/joe%2033%20gray.pdf Scroll to page 12. Some info there. |
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Subject: Music Senzenina From: GUEST,Mary K Date: 17 Mar 08 - 12:49 PM Has someone, somewhere got the music for Senzenina? Supply this and gain my eternal gratitude! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Senzenina From: GUEST,Bernice Date: 27 Jul 07 - 04:43 PM I have been searching for the music and lyrics for the song 'senzenina' from the movie 'in my country' am happy to purchase the sheet music or a copy of your recording. Please revert to cocci@telkomsa.net Many thanks. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Senzenina From: GUEST,Marymac, sans cookie Date: 11 Jul 00 - 11:40 AM I have a recording of this-can't remember if it's on a cd or cassette. If anyone is interested, i can probably get Max to play it on the radio show-especially if it's on cd. Message me if you want to hear this. Guess that means I'd better reinstall my cookie, huh? Marymac |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Senzenina From: Art Thieme Date: 11 Jul 00 - 11:31 AM Pete Seeger recorded it -- a long ago concert. Just contained the one word as I recall. "Senzenina" -- over and over. "What have we done." It was before Mandela I do believe. Art Thieme |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Senzenina From: Callie Date: 11 Jul 00 - 08:40 AM If you're looking for a recording of the song, my choir has recorded the song on its first CD. I'm happy to either send you the song on tape (for free!), or you could consider buying the CD (this is not an advert by the way - just letting you know it is available if you want it!) Callie |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Senzenina From: Linda Kelly Date: 10 Jul 00 - 11:58 AM Many thanks to all concerned |
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Subject: ADD: Senzenina From: Joe Offer Date: 10 Jul 00 - 02:28 AM Callie - I hope your friends don't mind if I copy-paste the information. -Joe Offer- SenzeninaWords & Music: Traditional South African Senzenina is a dignified complaint, an outcry against being forced to suffer merely for having dark skin. Most of us folks in the choir are on the pale side, but feel that when an injury is done to some of our human family, then all sisters and brothers should take up the cry. The process of internalising the experience of others is one that brings us all closer together. It is the essence of solidarity, and when it involves sharing music, then joy and sorrow are communicated in a universal language. Senzenina! What have we done? What has Mandela done? Our only crime is being black! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Senzenina From: Callie Date: 10 Jul 00 - 01:36 AM There is a link to the background of the song here: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/1095/Solidarity/music.html This the website of Solidarity Choir (of which I am a proud member!) If you look closely, you will also see a link to Mudcat! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Senzenina From: Joe Offer Date: 09 Jul 00 - 11:18 PM I hadn't heard it before, Ickle, but it's a nice tune. You can find a MIDI on this page (click). There's a nice (but brief) recording here (click). -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: Senzenina From: Linda Kelly Date: 09 Jul 00 - 06:14 PM South african funeral song. This is the most powerful song I have ever heard. If anyone can provide the words (not the english translation but the original) I would be most grateful |
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