BS: SCOTLAND??

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From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 06:42 PM

Did somebody say Borders? My McNab Border Collie perked up his ears.**BG**

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From: little john cameron
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 05:45 PM

ICKLE DORRIT,Ah'm awfy gled ye ken the difference between SCOTS an' SCOTCH. LJC

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From: Diva
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 05:45 PM

Good for you, lets hear it for the Borders. Very nice area very scenic and all those Border Ballads too.

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From: Linda Kelly
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 05:41 PM

at this moment in time I have a fair amount of scotch in me, but not so much Scots. I am however partial to touring the borders and am especially fond of Moffat. I also like Loch Lomond. Gretna Green is however an awful place second only in naffness to Stonehenge.

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From: Nynia
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 02:58 PM

Hi Julie F, It's gonna have to be a big wave as I'm living in Dublin just now :-) CD's a fine little town, I hope you enjoy your visit to Shetland.

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From: Drumshanty
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 02:09 PM

Kendall

Saw Gaberlunzie last month. They played Saturday night at the Keith Festival. And they were just as good as they were when I saw them 20 years ago!

Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: little john cameron
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 12:02 PM

This is jist wee notie as ah'm aboot tae gang oot fur a hurl on mah pals harley.It's a braw day oot an' we're gaun tae hae a keek at the whales.
Noo Mbo,ye've maist likely been listenin' tae pipe bands so that is probably why it gets yer blood up.The hale idea wis tae get oor anes worked up an' at the same time scare the shit oot o' the enemy.It worked pretty good eh?

The sad stuff is when ye listen tae a solitary piper up in the hills,wi' no' anither sound aboot except the burds,an' he's playin' a pibroch.The sound o' this mournfu' sound echoin' in the hills wid gie anyane the willies.

Ah'm dain this in the dialect fur Kimc .Ah widnae want tae let ye doon. ljc

Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: JulieF
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 11:11 AM

Hi Nynia

Will be visiting a friend in Dumfries on the way up to Shetland in a couple of weeks. Will give you a wave as I pass. I grew up ( 5-12 anyway) around Castle Douglas ( 20 miles West)

All the best

Julie

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From: Rana
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 09:06 AM

Kendall,

Gaberlunzie still perform (according to their web page) -

http://www.soft.net.uk/gaber/

Rana

Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Mbo
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 08:48 AM

I just don't get it...I always feel pumped up when I hear the pipes. I pretty sure there's nothing that could be played on the pipes that would make me cry. I must be as dull as a rock.

Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 08:43 AM

Hey ljc,

Sorry I have come back so late to this thread. All of the above and then some for me. I was born that way, by blood and otherwise: Crawfords, Ralstons, Sutherlands, Ewings, etc. My family teased me about dressing up and going out on the hills behind our house, esp. when it rained (not very often in western Colorado!) and pretending I was tramping around the highlands. I also spoke with the nearest approximation as I could of a highland accent and was asked once by a fourth grade new friend if I was from Scotland.

Until the past 3 years I couldn't listen to the music, esp. the pipes, nor watch footage on tv, without sobbing with a terrible homesickness. There are, in my belief system, past lives which were lived there and which ended sadly and have left their residual melancholy in my heart.

As for us knowing more than you? It seems a common thing sometimes. When we lived in New England for ten years I often had natives tell me we knew more about their region than they dd growing up there. I think it was because we had such a keen interest and were out every weekend, almost, exploring and learning. We used to kid my mom about it, as she always was wanting to "go round the next bend" or "over the next hill." It was all so interesting and new to us, something we'd read about. They were quite used to it. I suppose the same might be said of any of us out here in the wild West...drive by the Oregon Trail or Independence Rock and most days don't give it a second's thought.

Thanks, again, John,

kat

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From: kendall
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 07:40 AM

Can one of you tell me if Gaberlunzie still perform?

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From: GUEST,Banjo Johnny
Date: 21 Jul 00 - 01:39 AM

I just like the snap.

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From: Nynia
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 07:07 PM

Hi Mac, I'm from Dumfries a little further south. Cumnock was a mining town, not much of that around now. High un-employment etc. There is a lot of pretty scenery pretty close by and you will be fairly handy for Glasgow and Edinburgh. What else do you want to know ???

Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 06:58 PM

Taking our first trip there in September, can't wait. My Grandparents are from Cumnock, a town 17 miles east of Ayr.

Anybody know this area?

Thanks, Mac

Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: CamiSu
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 06:31 PM

With a name of Cameron and of clan Fraser, I'm not to love Scotland? Plus now my daughter attends University at St. Andrews. Truly near and dear. Besides it's some of the best music in the world!

Cami Su

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From: sophocleese
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 06:27 PM

Some of the tunes are familiar from what my parent sang, (but then again I don't go to church and they sang hymms a lot too). A lot of it is in a language, English, that I know. I sing translations of gaelic if I can as I like to know what I'm singing. LEJ said it well when he mentions the headwaters.

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From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 06:15 PM

For me it's the Scottish, Irish and English traditional music. Since I was a child, I always dog-eared all my music books to the pages with those tunes. I read somewhere that it is the modal sound in those old tunes. Whatever it is, I could recognize it before I had a name for it. Now I'm listening to dulcimer music, much of it from Appalachia, and I hear that same bagpipe drone that I love. I also love any tune that Ralph Vaughan Williams had anything to do with. Maybe somebody else can better articulate what these tunes all have in common.

As far as ancestry, I was always told that my father's family was Scotch-Irish.

Mary (in Kentucky via Texas & Arkansas)

PS LEJ, You said one time that you were kin to everybody in Rockcastle County...well, you may be kin to my husband by marriage!

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From: Kim C
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 05:28 PM

Oh but Mr. Cameron, I only came onto this thread so I could hear you talk and here you let me doon!

Me, I'm mostly German, Dutch and French, but my gggggrandmother was a Connoly. I have not been able to find out if her daddy's family was Irish or Scots or both. I'll keep looking.

Don't know why I love Scotland but I'm glad it's there for me to love. I hope to get there one day!

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From: Patrish(inactive)
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 05:33 AM

Both parents are scottish and I lived there for 7 years. The first song I learnt in school was
Katie Bardie had a coo
It was black aboot the moo
But she hasney got it noo
Dance Katie Bardie
We used to learn scottish dancing, I can remember practising pa de bas. Then I moved to england and we didn't learn anything traditionally english. Perhaps the reason people are enamoured with the Scots and Irish is because they have a great tradition that is still taught in schools
Patrish

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From: MudGuard
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 05:17 AM

It is not a little Scot in us, it is a little Scotch in us!
MudGuard

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From: Jon Freeman
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 02:52 AM

Which 3 Titles did he do Liz?

Jon

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From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 20 Jul 00 - 02:44 AM

Jon, that was the book they gave him to learn the tunes from, there are only three, but they change the titles around!!

Morty, you let that little scot out right now! Can't you see he's only after yer porrige!

LTS

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From: mactheturk
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 10:35 PM

Ah, youth was the drooth in the sooth o' the mooth
And a dunt wi' a tacketty buit
Noo ah maun licht the leerie, and lukk oot ma peerie
Ah'm no' a' that auld even yit!

......mp

Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: mactheturk
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 10:34 PM

Ah, youth was the drooth in the sooth o' the mooth
And a dunt wi' a tacketty buit
Noo ah maun licht the leerie, and lukk oot ma peerie
Ah'm no' a' that auld even yit!

......mp

Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: little john cameron
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 08:55 PM

OK Iget the drift,but the thing i find odd is that you guys know more about it than me and i'm Scots.I was just listening to a band on mp3 from Germany and they sounded more Scots than me.I know they speak good English but do they learn to sing the songs phoneticaly>I don't suppose they speak like me!! LJC

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From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 07:41 PM

John, Scotland and Ireland are the headwaters of the stream of Celtic people and music that flowed into places like New England and Apalachia in the 1700's, and Canada and Australia in the 18 and 1900s. Appreciating the music of Scotland and Ireland is key to understanding much of traditional music, especially for those of "Scotch Irish" ancestry, like yours truly.

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From: Bagpuss
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 07:16 PM

I lived in Glasgow for 4 years, and it took them that long to make me an honorary Scot - and admit that Geordies aren't *really* English!

Oh and I married a Scot :-)

Bagpuss

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From: Morticia
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 07:14 PM

Dear Mac, there is not so a little Scot inside me, he's 100% english, so there!!

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From: Jon Freeman
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 06:57 PM

Liz, Blodau'r Grug is quite a popular collection of Welsh tunes. It can be obtained from >http://www.welshfolkdance.org.uk/grwpiau/aberystwyth/rhb/robinhuwbowen_publ.htm

Jon

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From: Willie-O
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 06:50 PM

Well, my dad came from Glasgow...in 1919 at age five. Like most nations with a lot of emigration, they carried a strong sense of where they were coming from as who they were. I've never been there (yet), but grew up with this knowledge--and gradually realized how Scottish I am in character, musical preferences, politics and so on. Never could resist a good bargain, or a good intellectual argument.

Willie-O

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From: kendall
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 06:49 PM

I'm half scot and half Irish..half of me wants to drink, and the other half doesn't want to pay. Seriously, it's all those things you mention. The Isle of Skye must be one of the most beautiful places on earth. I love the music of both countries, and the people are just great.

Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 06:47 PM

Later, jlc, after the radio show...I'll post some ideas...glad ta see ya started the thread! Thanks!

Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 06:42 PM

Well have you heard any good Welsh folk tunes recently? SO did a concert for the London Welsh society and even THEY could only find 6, and three of them were the same....

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: SCOTLAND??
From: GUEST,Mac of Glencoe
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 06:42 PM

Simple..

There's a wee Scot in all of us.

Subject: SCOTLAND??
From: little john cameron
Date: 19 Jul 00 - 06:35 PM

Well pals,first of all i hope you don't mind if i write in Standard English but i wouldn't want to be"misunderstood."

I noticed on the "Where are you" thread, that very few of you are from Scotland or Ireland yet there seems to be a great interest,not only here but on the net in general,in all things pertaining to both countries.Maybe you could tell me why this should be so.Is it the music,the history or the funny way we speak.Maybe,as katlaughing said to me,that you were Scots or Irish in a past life.

Try to enlighten me on the subject please. LJC.