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Lyr Req: Past Three O'Clock (and a Cold Frosty...)

GUEST,winterbright 31 Jul 00 - 07:28 PM
GUEST,Bruce O. 31 Jul 00 - 08:05 PM
Helen 31 Jul 00 - 08:21 PM
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Subject: Past 12 o'clock and a fine frosty mornin
From: GUEST,winterbright
Date: 31 Jul 00 - 07:28 PM

Help! Has anyone ever heard a song that starts out, "Past twelve o'clock and a fine frosty morning..." That's all I retain; heard it on an albumn back in the early 60's and can only remember that it was by a choral group. Lovely song... wish I could find it! Does it ring a bell with ANYBODY???


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Subject: RE: Past 12 o'clock and a fine frosty mornin
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 31 Jul 00 - 08:05 PM

I don't know what the original song is unless its that by Colley Cibber in his ballad opera 'Flora', 1729, but the simplified tune there had already been printed under Scots and Irish Gaelic titles. Cibber's song commences" 'Twas past twelve o'clock on a fine summer morning". Robert Burns had a hand in fitting verses to the tune in 'The Scots Musical Museum', #227 (1790), and his song starts: 'Twas past ane o clock in a cauld frosty morning". Just how much of the song is by Burns seems to be unknown. For many copies of the tune under English and Gaelic titles see "I am asleep and don't waken me" in the Irish tune index on my website. [A late song by Hector MacNeill, "Jeannie's Black E'ne" uses the Gaelic title as the burden of his verses. It's in the Scarce Songs 1 file on my website, listed in Mudcat's Links.]


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Subject: RE: Past 12 o'clock and a fine frosty mornin
From: Helen
Date: 31 Jul 00 - 08:21 PM

Hi winterbright,

We used to sing this one in school choir, about 30 years ago. I have it in the book we used for choir. It's called The Waits or Past Three O'clock to the tune of London Waits from the time of Charles II. The words are by J. Oxenford.

Past three o'clock!
Young maidens are sleeping,
Scarcely they close
Their bright beaming eyes;
May our soft numbers
Cheer you, but break not
Innocent slumbers,
Hear us but wake not!

Past three o'clock!
And a cold frosty morning,
Past three o'clock!
Good morrow, Masters all!

Our teacher told us that the Waits were the people who walked around the streets at night calling out the time, or the practice of doing this, before everyone had clocks in their houses.

There are 2 other verses which I can type in if you want them.

Helen


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Subject: RE: Past 12 o'clock and a fine frosty mornin
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 31 Jul 00 - 08:24 PM

Jame Dick (Songs of Robert Burns) said the verses in 'Flora', 1729, were by Cibber (Colley or Theophilus?), but the ballad opera is by John Hippisley. The rudimentary version of the tune is also in Charles Coffey's 'The Beggars Wedding', 1729, under the English title.


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Subject: RE: Past 12 o'clock and a fine frosty mornin
From: Musicman
Date: 31 Jul 00 - 10:10 PM

nice version of the song on the chieftans "Bells of dublin album....


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Subject: RE: Past 12 o'clock and a fine frosty mornin
From: Giac
Date: 31 Jul 00 - 10:34 PM

Thanks for this info. Had wondered about the "Past three o'clock ..." version since hearing it in a Steve Martin movie, "Simple Twist of Fate." It is a lovely tune. And, yes, Helen, I for one would like to have the other two verses.


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Subject: RE: Past 12 o'clock and a fine frosty mornin
From: Helen
Date: 01 Aug 00 - 08:58 PM

Hi again,

Here is the midi file of the tune, using Alan Foster's Midi to Text programme.

MIDI file: waits.mid

Timebase: 192

Name: The Waits (Past Three O'Clock)
Text: By Tune: The London Waits. Words: J. Oxenford
Key: G
TimeSig: 3/4 24 8
Start
0000 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 64 110 0160 0 64 000 0032 1 64 110 0160 0 64 000 0032 1 62 110 0336 0 62 000 0048 1 62 110 0160 0 62 000 0032 1 67 110 0096 0 67 000 0000 1 69 110 0094 0 69 000 0002 1 71 110 0160 0 71 000 0032 1 71 110 0160 0 71 000 0032 1 74 110 0336 0 74 000 0048 1 69 110 0160 0 69 000 0032 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 64 110 0160 0 64 000 0032 1 64 110 0160 0 64 000 0032 1 62 110 0336 0 62 000 0048 1 62 110 0160 0 62 000 0032 1 67 110 0094 0 67 000 0002 1 69 110 0094 0 69 000 0002 1 71 110 0160 0 71 000 0032 1 69 110 0160 0 69 000 0032 1 67 110 0528 0 67 000 0048 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 69 110 0160 0 69 000 0032 1 71 110 0160 0 71 000 0032 1 69 110 0336 0 69 000 0048 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 69 110 0160 0 69 000 0032 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 69 110 0160 0 69 000 0032 1 71 110 0160 0 71 000 0032 1 67 110 0336 0 67 000 0048 1 67 110 0096 0 67 000 0000 1 66 110 0094 0 66 000 0002 1 67 110 0096 0 67 000 0000 1 69 110 0094 0 69 000 0002 1 71 110 0096 0 71 000 0000 1 72 110 0094 0 72 000 0002 1 69 110 0336 0 69 000 0048 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 69 110 0160 0 69 000 0032 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 69 110 0160 0 69 000 0032 1 71 110 0160 0 71 000 0032 1 76 110 0336 0 76 000 0048 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 64 110 0160 0 64 000 0032 1 64 110 0160 0 64 000 0032 1 62 110 0336 0 62 000 0048 1 62 110 0094 0 62 000 0002 1 62 110 0094 0 62 000 0002 1 67 110 0096 0 67 000 0000 1 69 110 0094 0 69 000 0002 1 71 110 0160 0 71 000 0032 1 71 110 0160 0 71 000 0032 1 74 110 0336 0 74 000 0048 1 69 110 0160 0 69 000 0032 1 67 110 0160 0 67 000 0032 1 64 110 0160 0 64 000 0032 1 64 110 0160 0 64 000 0032 1 62 110 0336 0 62 000 0048 1 62 110 0160 0 62 000 0032 1 67 110 0094 0 67 000 0002 1 69 110 0094 0 69 000 0002 1 71 110 0160 0 71 000 0032 1 69 110 0160 0 69 000 0032 1 67 110 0528 0 67 000
End

This program is worth the effort of learning it.

To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here

ABC format:

X:1
T:The Waits (Past Three O'Clock)
M:3/4
Q:1/4=120
K:G
G2E2E2|D4D2|GAB2B2|d4A2|G2E2E2|D4D2|GAB2A2|
G6|G2A2B2|A4G2|A2G2A2|B2G4|GFGABc|A4G2|A2G2A2|
B2e4|G2E2E2|D4DD|GAB2B2|d4A2|G2E2E2|D4D2|
GAB2A2|G11/2||

Here are verses 2 & 3 from a book called Sing Care Away, Book 1, published by Novello & Co, in about 1964.

2. Past three o'clock!
Brave warriors are sleeping,
Menacing foes
In dreams they despise;
Banners wave proudly,
While we are singing,
Trumpets are loudly
Through the air ringing

Past three o'clock!
And a cold frosty morning,
Past three o'clock!
Good morrow, Masters all!

3. Past three o'clock!
Though others are sleeping,
Strange to repose
Are sad lover's eyes;
May our song lightly
Soothe them in sorrow
Bidding them brightly
Hope for tomorrow

Past three o'clock!
And a cold frosty morning,
Past three o'clock!
Good morrow, Masters all!

Helen


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Subject: RE: Past 12 o'clock and a fine frosty mornin
From: Wolfgang
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 06:55 AM

link to an old thread with lyrics and midi to Past Three A Clock.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Past 12 o'clock and a fine frosty mornin
From: Helen
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 08:53 PM

refresh, also see

this thread http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=24224&messages=6 for an example of a tune which is called "London Waits" and the song written for the tune is called "The Waits" or "Past three o'clock"

Helen


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Subject: RE: Past 12 o'clock and a fine frosty mornin
From: Helen
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 08:55 PM

Sorry about that - posted the last message in the wrong thread. The blicky is right though. It refers to another thread discussing the Waits

Helen


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Subject: RE: Past 12 o'clock and a fine frosty mornin
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 11:20 PM

there is complex 4-part round that concludes:

"past 12 o'clock, and a starlight morning"


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Subject: Lyr Add: PAST THREE O'CLOCK
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 12:11 AM

From The Progressive Music Series: For Basal Use in Primary, Intermediate and Grammar Grades, Book 3, by Horatio William Parker et al. (Sacramento: California State Printing Department, 1922), page 6:

[With musical notation for one voice.]


PAST THREE O'CLOCK
James Fortescue – English Folk Song

1. Past three o'clock, and a cold, frosty morning:
Past three o'clock, good morrow masters all.
While in your beds you're peacefully sleeping,
Under the stars our watch we are keeping.
Past three o'clock, and a cold, frosty morning:
Past three o'clock, good morrow masters all.

2. Past three o'clock, and a cold, frosty morning:
Past three o'clock, good morrow masters all.
We go the round, you rest at your leisure;
Safe is your house and safe is your treasure.
Past three o'clock, and a cold, frosty morning:
Past three o'clock, good morrow masters all.

3. Past three o'clock, and a cold, frosty morning:
Past three o'clock, good morrow masters all.
When morning breaks, and slumber is ended,
Give us your thanks, your homes who've defended.
Past three o'clock, and a cold, frosty morning:
Past three o'clock, good morrow masters all.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Past Three O'Clock (and a Cold Frosty...)
From: giles earle
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 02:42 AM

This is the version I know, from that old war-horse, Carols for Choirs vol I.

According to the footnote, the refrain is traditional and the verses below by G R Woodward; tune in London Waits, from Chappell's Popular Music of the Olden Time. The harmonisation in Carols for Choirs is by Charles Wood:

Past three a clock,
And a cold frosty morning,
Past three a clock;
Good morrow, masters all!


Born is a Baby,
Gentle as may be,
Son of the eternal
Father supernal.

Seraph quire singeth,
Angel bell ringeth;
Hark how they rime it,
Time it and chime it.

Mid earth rejoices
Hearing such voices
e'ertofore so well
Carolling Nowell.

Hinds o'er the pearly
Dewy lawn early
Seek the high Stranger
Laid in the manger.

Cheese from the dairy
Bring they for Mary
And, not for money,
Butter and honey.

Light out of star-land
Leadeth from far land
Princes, to meet him,
Worship and greet him.

Myrrh from full coffer,
Incense they offer;
Nor is the golden
Nugget withholden.

Thus they: I pray you,
Up, sirs, nor stay you
Till ye confess him
Likewise and bless him.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Past Three O'Clock (and a Cold Frosty...)
From: GUEST,jonboy
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 12:25 AM

The Normon Luboff Choir performed the album "Folk Songs of the British Isles". Columbia released the album in 1960. The song about which you asked is a watchman's call. "Past 12 o'clock, on a fine frosty morning. Past 12 o'clock, good morning, masters all. Clear is the air, the north wind's a blowing. Soon the city will awake; the cockrel is crowing." The album appears no longer available.


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Subject: ADD: Past Three O'Clock
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Jun 11 - 12:11 AM

I found two versions of this song on the Internet, but don't know any background information - yet.

PAST THREE O'CLOCK
(as recorded by Linda Ronstadt)

Past three o'clock
And a cold frosty morning
Past three o'clock
Good morrow masters all

Church bells are chiming
Ding dong, ding dong
One two three four five six sev'n eight nine ten 'leven
Till the midnight sun shines

Church bells are chiming
Heav'n with earth rhyming
In child so tender
Sun's radiant splendor

Church bells are ringing
People are singing
Midnight's dark shadow
Breaks with the sun's morrow

Past three o'clock
And a cold frosty morning
Past three o'clock
Good morrow masters all


Source: http://www.lyricsmania.com/past_three_oclock_lyrics_linda_ronstadt.html


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Subject: RE: Lyr req: Past three o'clock... / also 'Eleanor'
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Jun 11 - 12:13 AM

PAST THREE O'CLOCK
(as recorded by the London Boys Singers)

Past three o'clock
And a co-old frosty morning
Past three o'clock
Good morrow masters all

Past three o'clock (past three o'clock)
And a co-old frosty morning (and a co-old frosty morning)
Past three o'clock (past three o'clock)
Good morrow masters all (good morrow masters all)
Good morrow masters all (good morrow masters all)
Good morrow masters all (good morrow masters all)
Good morrow masters all

Born is a baby, gentle as may be
Son of the eternal, Father supernal
Seraph quire singeth, angel bell ringeth
Hark how-ow they rhyme it, time it and chime it

Past three o'clock
And a co-old frosty morning
Past three a clock
Good morrow, masters all

Peace o'er the pearly dewy lawn early
Seek the hi-i-igh Stranger laid in a manger
Cheese from the dairy, bring them for Mary

And no-ot for money, butter and honey

Past three o'clock
And a co-old frosty morning
Past three a clock
Good morrow, masters all

Myrrh from full coffer, incense they offer
Nor is the-e golden nugget withholden
Thus they I pray you, up sirs nor stay you
'Till ye-ee confess him, likewise and bless him

Past three o'clock
And a co-old frosty morning
Past three a clock
Good morrow, masters all

Past three o'clock (past three o'clock)
And a co-old frosty morning (and a co-old frosty mornïng)
Past three o'clock (past three o'clock)
Good morrow masters all (good morrow masters all)
Good morrow masters all (good morrow masters all)
Good morrow masters all (good morrow masters all)
Good morrow masters all
Good morrow masters all...


Source: http://www.lyricsforsong.net/lyrics/london-boys-singers-past-three-o-clock-lyrics_knmirm.html


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Subject: ADD: Past Three A Clock
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Jun 11 - 12:19 AM

    Here is a far more definitive version, from http://www.hymnsandcarolsofchristmas.com

    Past Three A Clock

    The refrain, Past three a clock, is old, but the rest of the Carol is newly composed by George Ratcliffe Woodward. The tune (London Waits, from W. Chappell's Popular Music of the Olden Time, p. 550) is here harmonized by Charles Wood.

    Source: Charles Wood and George Ratcliffe Woodward, The Cambridge Carol-Book, Being Fifty-Two Songs For Christmas, Easter, And Other Seasons (London: Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge, 1924), #25.

    Past three a clock,
    And a cold frosty morning,
    Past three a clock;
    Good morrow, masters all!

    1. Born is a Baby,
    Gentle as may be,
    Son of the eternal
    Father supernal.

    Refrain.
    Past three a clock,
    And a cold frosty morning,
    Past three a clock;
    Good morrow, masters all!

    2. Seraph quire singeth,
    Angel bell ringeth;
    Hark how they rime it,
    Time it and chime it. Refrain.

    3. Mid earth rejoices
    Hearing such voices
    e'ertofore so well
    Carolling Nowell. Refrain.

    4. Hinds o'er the pearly,
    Dewy lawn early
    Seek the high Stranger
    Laid in the manger. Refrain.

    5. Cheese from the dairy
    Bring they for Mary
    And, not for money,
    Butter and honey. Refrain.

    6. Light out of star-land
    Leadeth from far land
    Princes, to meet him,
    Worship and greet him. Refrain.

    7. Myrrh from full coffer,
    Incense they offer;
    Nor is the golden
    Nugget withholden. Refrain.

    8. Thus they: I pray you,
    Up, sirs, nor stay you
    Till ye confess him
    Likewise and bless him. Refrain.

    Sheet Music

    Earthly Delights: Xmas Carols

    The refrain and the tune go back to renaissance times and both were possibly traditional ones used by the waits. Both are found in 17th century sources. The words of the refrain were used, for example, in the 1665 edition of John Playford's Dancing Master, the 3 rd edition, and were quoted or used in literature and song many times in the 18th and 19th century. A volume of Old English Ditties published in 1881 included a non-Christmas song with this refrain complemented by verses composed by John Oxenford. The Christmas verses given here and now most commonly associated with the refrain and the melody were written by George Ratcliff Woodward, who also wrote the words to 'Ding, dong, merrily on high, for The Cambridge Carol Book of 1924, which he co-edited.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Past Three O'Clock (and a Cold Frosty...)
From: GUEST,Winterborn
Date: 09 Nov 12 - 09:31 PM

This is a response to a post I think you made in 2000 in connection with a song 'Past 3 o'clock, young maidens are sleeping' I sang that in a school in Australia around 1968. I have been looking for the words ever since. The Christmas Carol version also posted on this thread is to the same tune, so far as I can recall. Thank you and thank you very much!


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