Famous Mudcatters

Subject: Famous Mudcatters
From: Dorrie
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 02:58 PM

Are there any famous mud cats that you know of. Even just abit famous i'm v interested Lovve dorrie

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: kendall
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 03:18 PM

Rick Fielding
Sandy Paton
Caroline Paton
Seamus Kennedy

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Jacob B
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 03:24 PM

Kendall Morse

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Morticia
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 03:24 PM

Does appearing on Wanted posters count? If so, I can name a few more.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Willie-O
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 03:25 PM

And Kendall Morse.

But Dorrie, somewhere we're all a little bit famous, including you.

Just Willie-O

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 03:36 PM

Jeezus Kendall. Folk singers aren't famous!

On the other hand I'd vote for

Art Theime (Mr. Chicago)

Frank Hamilton (Weavers)

Paul Mills (Stan Rogers' arranger)

Quite a few Brits, Aussies, etc.

Bob Dylan (he uses an alias)

Rick

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: catspaw49
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 03:39 PM

Along with the one's mentioned already, there are some folks here who are "famous" in fields outside of music. For example....CLICK

Spaw

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Sean Belt
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 03:41 PM

I agree with Willie-O. We're all a bit famous. If we haven't had our 15 minutes yet, we will. Now, notorious - - that's something else again. And Rick, you're just funnin' us about Bob Dylan, aren't ya?

- Sean

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 03:42 PM

I'd go for infamous myself..... that would be me then...!

Just ask Les Barker!

LTS

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 03:59 PM

I am famous for........
my 'to die for' apple cinnamon crumble cake
serving food out of my banjo resonator
mixing up words
not listening too well

BB

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Mbo
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 04:11 PM

Frank Hamilton is from the Weavers?! No one ever tells me these things!

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 04:13 PM

Len Wallace, one of North America's best ever accordion players ghosts in here once in a blue moon, and oh the stuff we say about you people when we mee up at the bar!!! LOL!!

"At my age I do as I choose
And shouldn't need to make an excuse.
I know that you all feel a little famouse inside
And I'm no different from you"

So ya, aren't we all famous?

{~`

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Kim C
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 05:04 PM

does this include people who are legends in their own mind?

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Mbo
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 05:07 PM

Y'know Dick Gaughan popped by a few times...that still blows my mind! And Chris Cornell is a Mudcat member, or so Max says. Hey yeah, what about Max?

--Matt

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 05:28 PM

Lou Killen stops by occasionally. Holly Tannen, too. Are they famous?

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Pene Azul
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 05:32 PM

I'll add Guy Wolff. I'm a big fan.

PA

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Sorcha
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 05:55 PM

add Bill D.?

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 06:47 PM

Good point Pene Azul, I am a true fan of Guy Wolff.
He is also world famous for his pots. The man can mould clay into a masterpiece.
And I sure do love his CD's too.

Bonnie

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Guy Wolff
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 07:15 PM

I thought I was the only one who could'nt spell.. Is that famous or imfamous or what..Realy being known for being true to ourselves is all any of us can wish for .. What the world dose with it is up to the world..THanks for the kind words though Pene and love to Bonnie as always. I hope Dylan stops by here and Ry Cooder and Martin Carthy and the rest..We love what they have given and what a gas it would be to talk to them.THe people that I have met in my life that might be called realy famous have all been starved to have people realy MEET them and not just perpetuate the rediculus false picture that comes from the glitz machine. I remember as a kid watching someone trying to meet Aurther Miller and not wanting to see the very funny (Bath room humor GUY) who would have had a blast with our own Catspaw. Instead this person was being very serious in the kind of way his Pretend Aurthor Miller would have liked. Maybe one of the people you yell at here is realy one of your idels!!! What a wonderfull thought.. Catspaw is realy Dylan Thomas but we just never knew it. What a concept..Sounds like another thread to me.. What famous person realy is hiding behind some of our beloved (Or not so beloved ) Members.. All the best GUy (PS could Thomas Hardy spell ?????)

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 07:50 PM

Jed Marum in his own right and with Eamonn's Kitchen Band. Kendall Morse, King of Down East Music and Wit. And Alison is famous in Australia, and she'll be catching on here real soon too.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: kendall
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 08:02 PM

I'm only famous among those who know me.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: bbelle
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 08:25 PM

kendall ... is that in the biblical sense?

moonchild

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: CamiSu
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 08:37 PM

Gee moon I hope not! Cause I've been a fan of Kendall's for years -- from when we were still in Colorado. (and I've been here in New England for a third of my life)

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 09:00 PM

Go here to see some video of Frank Hamilton,his wife, and Roger McGuinn playing music at Roger's homepage Folk Den

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 09:25 PM

Shambles is known well enough in some circles..(Roger Gall)

a few others have records

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Big Mick
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 09:37 PM

I recently received Kendall's tape, and he is now famous in this household. A wonderful collection.

As for me, I am famous to my 8 year old and my sister in law. To most employers that I have organized or tried to, I am "infamous" when they are in polite company. They use other adjectives in private............hhahahahahaha.

Peter T. with the way he writes will be famous........when he is dead, which those of us who know him hope won't be to soon.

Mick

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: kendall
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 09:49 PM

Thanks MIck..glad you like it. I'm curious CamiSu..who are you?

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Mooh
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 10:37 PM

Phil Cooper, Len Wallace, Neil Young (well, I believe some of what I read), God, Frank Ford (at least in spirit), my Mum (not a member, as far as I know, but she's famous 'round the world for her work with the Girls Guides),

To my kids, I'm famous, and if that's all I get, I'll die a happy man. God bless them. Mooh.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Sorcha
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 11:00 PM

I'm with Mbo--Frank Ham. is/was with the Weavers? ohgee.
Peter T. should be famous for his writing, H. Thoreau was...........
moonchild: you are sooooooo bad, *sg*
and, Guy, I think I know what you mean about the Famous "meeting" people. I once waited in line at a festival to get Frankie Gavin (of De Dannan) to autograph a CD. Alec Finn was very busy swinging like a monkey on the bars of the stadium and canopy. BTW, Alec is another very large "mick".

I said (after getting Frankies' autograph) as I was leaving, "Hi, and Bye,Alec." He said, and "Doan cha wan' my autograph,too, darlin'?" I said I hadn't wanted to bother his fun, and we had a great hour after that. He did autograph the CD, too.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: ddw
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 11:09 PM

Didn't Happy Traum drop in here a few months ago to tell us about some new CDs or books or something?

david

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Mbo
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 11:25 PM

He DID? Happy Traum's learning guitar books are what I used when I first learned to play! Way back in 1994...

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Sorcha
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 11:32 PM

Well, yes he did, but it was a strictly commercial plug.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 11:34 PM

Dan Milner aka Liam's Brother

Bugsy who not only sings and plays really well, also has a wonderful radio show in OZ

Spider Tom in Oz, who, when he gets a CD together, will be famous elsewhere, too!

Bill Sables and Allan Clark

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 11:35 PM

Larry/Lorcan Otway of Sorcha Dorcha

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 11:40 PM

Well now, if it comes to being realllly famous, one of our number here is buddies with a couple of pretty prominent guys, but I'm not sure if he keeps that a secret or not. Oh what the hell, Mick, if Mr. C. had hung out with you a little more he probably wouldn't have gotten into so much hot water.

MBO, Frank has shared a huge amount with us about his days as a Weaver.

I was kidding about Dylan! But wait a minute here. If Happy Traum knows about us, and he's Dylan's friend.....hmmmm, who knows?

'Course Seamus Kennedy is far too modest to admit it, but he is indeed well known in folk circles. (as we all know, that plus two bucks gets you a ride on the subway.

For what it's worth, I've know of Dick Greenhaus for many years, and it was a true honour to meet him.

Rick

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Wavestar
Date: 02 Aug 00 - 11:56 PM

Kendall- CamiSu is my mother :) I'd like to think she taught me well.

-Jessica

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: CamiSu
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 04:28 AM

Yeah, Kendall, I'm famous as Jessica's Mum (truly) and I even taught her to love island living in the Penobscot when I could. (Hewitt's Island if you must) But I'm also a storyteller and do theater sets in New England. Not famous though. But when Jessica told me your story about your neighbor and the well between you, and just said Kendall, I told her you HAD to be Kendall Morse and that you were famous and we used to listen to your tape often before we wore it out and then lost track of it.... guess I need to buy another!

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 08:00 AM

Can't say I'm famous yet. There aren't any wanted posters out on me. I do however hope to be famous soon with my writing best reguards Neil PS I always wondered if Jimmy Buffett, Lui Collins or Gordon Lightfoot were/are members

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: kendall
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 08:06 AM

Hey all right CamiSu..Do you have BEGINNERS LUCK? thats the best one I've done.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Naemanson
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 08:44 AM

I'm not famous and I agree with whever it was that said that the words "famous" and "folk music" do not go together. Famous is for rock stars. Mbo - get out there and be famous for us!

By the way, you guys talk a lot about Kendall's tape and how good it is. I don't have a tape but I do have the old LP's.

Have any of you seen his TV show?

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 09:57 AM

Kendall's TV show? Isn't he one of the remaining "Castaway Survivors" on CBS? He is the black basketball coach isn't he?

Nobody's mention Ewan MacVicar.......so I will. Certainly well-known in folk circles.

Rick

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: kendall
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 10:05 AM

What Naemanson is referring to is an old thing that ran on NPBS starting in 1980. It was called "In The Kitchen" (lousy name) and it centered around Maine humor. In each segment I had a different storyteller/humorist visit me. We had an old fashioned kitchen set and we just sat around the table swapping lies.
As a result of that TV series, I ended up writing a book on Maine humor. That is still in print 20 years later. We move slow up heah, ayah..

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Peter T.
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 10:08 AM

Scary to think what a search engine will turn up. I got an e-mail from a friend who saw a part of a environmental TV series I was featured on (my hour of fame) rebroadcast on Karachi television once -- he said he was revolted by the whole thing. Made sense to me.
yours, Peter T.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 10:13 AM

GUEST visitors I know of:
Eliza Carthy
Frank Harte

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 10:35 AM

I saw Bob Zentz in an educational spot on Armed Forces TV while stationed in Korea, told someone who knew Bob, who told him. When I finally met Bob, he said "Oh, you're the person from Korea!?" Small world.

Fame and folk..
Folk music, traditional music, and music we sing and play and not just listen to, does not leave much space for fame. Audiences are normally small, and it's easy to talk with performers. There are some more "famous" performers most of us have heard of. I've been at small concerts, and watched someone give the performer the "rock star" treatment, and I bet it embarrasses the hell out of the performer. It's still easy to do when you finally meet someone you've looked up to for a long time, even if they're only famous with you. Jeez - I hope I've never drooled on anyone, but I'll bet I have.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: GUEST,John D
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 11:51 AM

FARRRRRR OUT!

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Kim C
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 12:20 PM

I sent my brother a copy of our new tape for his birthday in June. My mom told me he hadn't opened it to listen to it because if we get famous it will be worth more. Also a friend of mine told me that when I get famous he plans to sell the socks I knitted him for $3000.

Does that count?

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: john c
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 12:30 PM

The very first (and only) answer to my very first query came from no less a personage than the legendary ex- Fairporter and fiddle-chief, Dave Swarbrick.
And you wonder why I love the Mudcat???
J.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Kim C
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 12:33 PM

OhmaGAWD, I LOVE Dave Swarbrick! Was just listening to him last night with the great A.L. Lloyd. I wanna play like that when I grow up! Then maybe I can get famous. :)

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: kendall
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 01:11 PM

that settles it, I'm not famous because Jeri never drooled on me..damn

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 01:45 PM

Actually I forgot Don Meixner (SP) who along with The Flying Column has a fairy good reputation here in Syracuse. Still not famous, I eluded the constables again, Kindest reguards, Neil

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Dorrie
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 04:23 PM

Woo cheers guys. What about brits cos you know i'm v young dorrie xxx

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 05:22 PM

I like your comment about "small time famous" Jeri. Sometimes people you meet are not the biggest celebrities to everyone else, but they are somehow more special to you.

In the world of sailing, I've met quite a few "biggies." But the only one who struck me speechless was when I happened upon Tristan Jones in Annapolis one year. Karen was flabbergasted that I could only get out the occasional croak and stammered word here and there. Later she said she thought I was going to drop to my knees and kiss his hand.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 05:25 PM

If one should be famous for doing things very well, I would vote for John Moulden.

John has almost singlehandedly championed the Sam Henry collection which is arguably the finest collection of Irish folk song. He is an excellent researcher, a fine speaker and a good singer with an interesting repetoire. His written contributions to Mudcat are always thought provoking.

All the best,
Dan

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 05:28 PM

This mudcat forum steps to the fore As even the famous, in days of yore Ask'd of the masters few just what they knew 'bout what they do

Famous people are common folks When they wake up, before the jokes Annonymous may type in here To be a common man again!

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: JedMarum
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 05:33 PM

the world of sailing? My friend Billy Dunlop from Maine, had his 15 minutes of world fame, sailing the Atlantic in his 9' boat, and returning. He was lost off the coast of Australia in the early 80's attempting to circumnavigate the world in his 9' boat .. I have been re-reading the old newspaper clippings about his trips, these last few days. He wa a real character, Kendall, one I am sure you would have enjoyed ... and maybe even met in your travels?

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: JedMarum
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 05:34 PM

sorry for the thread creep - I know Billy wasn't a Mudcatter - but had he lived to 2000, he mightta been!

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: kendall
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 05:37 PM

I never did, but, I sure admired his courage. Man, he had more guts than a fiddle string factory. (Now I suppose all those cat lovers will be all over me like a cheap suit)

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 Aug 00 - 10:03 PM

I went to college with Tracy Chapman and my cousin heard the dog howling at OJ (Plaintive Wail would be a good name for a rock band, Dave Barry), but that's as close as I've come...

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: John Moulden
Date: 04 Aug 00 - 01:28 PM

While I'm flattered to be mentioned (and I confess, I opened the thread to see if I would be) and by someone, who I think is Dan Milner (aka Liam's brother), I must disclaim much of the credit for Sam Henry. Others too have been involved. Gale Huntington, Lani Herrmann, The University of Georgia Press, all those singers and the various correspondents who encouraged others to send songs to Sam Henry, the newspaper and its owners, who let the song series run for sixteen years.

If I'm to live up to the reputation for being thought provoking, let's consider the appropriateness of this concept of "famous" in the context of the co-operative (albeit, accidentally co-operative) effort which sustains traditional song and music. In my view, the adulation of some performers and the neglect of others - some of whom may have played a part in the creation of the songs the "famous" have made well known - is an impediment. But what can be done about it in a world which is increasingly individualistic, competitive and where capitalist concepts get in everywhere?

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Art Thieme
Date: 04 Aug 00 - 03:08 PM

I always liked the line "Fame is proof that people are gullible."

And Bob Franke's great line from one of his songs----

"As long as sentimental super-salesmen make it big and tell it wrong, I will make it small and tell it right."

But I sure wouldn't've minded a decent sum in the bank right now.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: beachcomber
Date: 04 Aug 00 - 05:14 PM

Did'nt Liam Clancy type in a few remarks about his "Exaggerated death" rumour, last winter ?? I was listning to Dave Swarbrick too, just a few nights past, on the re-issued albums of the Ian Campbell Folk Group, he certainly was /is great!

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Biskit
Date: 05 Aug 00 - 12:14 AM

My family always said I was either gonna be famous or notorious.......-Biskit-

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: CamiSu
Date: 05 Aug 00 - 03:16 AM

And Art... that decent sum thing is why I refuse to make tapes of folkies for people. If they really like the album that much they can buy it, or I'll give them mine and buy another. I kind of get the feeling that the folk labels do better for their artists than the rock and pop labels do, and I know alot of folkies are self-published as well.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 05 Aug 00 - 03:32 AM

I used to sit next to Dave Swarbrick' nephew Simon, on the school bus.... drool drool.... does that count?

LTS

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Brendy
Date: 05 Aug 00 - 04:30 AM

I remember John Moulden from the BBC NI days; I was a teenager then. I have never met you, John (not as far as I can remember, anyway), but I've known of you and admired your work for a long time. Not Carson, McKeever; used to be with the Portadown Comhaltas, in the 70's.

Another gentleman who graces these pages is P.J. Curtis.

Both John and P.J. are very well known in the Irish music scene, and are well respected authorities. And as a result, the Mudcat benefits by their presence.

B.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Naemanson
Date: 05 Aug 00 - 06:41 AM

John and Art have the right of it. Fame is not for folkies. On one hand it may alert people to the form of music the famous person plays but on the other hand (s)he eclipses all the other good performers and leaves them in the dark. People base their expectations on the famous one which leaves them disappointed when they ear those of us who don't "make the grade", so to speak.

I have tried over the last few decades to interest family members in various songs that have captured my interest. I might play a song for them by one of the relative unknown performers WE all know and love. Or I might play Early by Greg Brown, Birches by Bill Morrison, Buffalo Skinners by Spider John Koerner, or something by any of our favorite performers. And these are our "famous" performers.

Invariably the response I get is a critique on how they SOUND. The impression my friends and family give me is that you cannot do good work if you don't have a sweet clear voice and a sweet, slick, production! I can never get them to focus on the song!

What worries me is this attitude of theirs and then their comment that someday I'll be famous! Does this mean I'm too slick to be a folkie? Fortunately I have real friends (?) who assure me I'm not!

Sometimes I am reassured by our famous folks though. I believe that fame, if it is to be used for anything, should be used to do good works. Thus the movie stars who stand up for good causes, fighting world hunger or disease, get my vote and "good guys". Lately I was (very pleasantly) surprised to learn that Gordon Bok, who has played in some very lofty halls and kingly estates, has agreed to perform at one of our local coffeehouses (not mine) for a split of the take at the door! He has a policy, I understand, of supporting local venues. Very nicely done, Mr. Bok. I salute you.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: GUEST,Sheila
Date: 05 Aug 00 - 09:02 AM

Aren't we all famous, in our way? Kendall, your tape is beautiful! I love the tender "Band Played Waltzing Matilda." You've gained a new fan and that makes you famous, to me. Joe, Aine, Jon, Alice, etc., all others who have EVER helped me with a query. you're ALL famous, in my mind. And I count!

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Jeri
Date: 05 Aug 00 - 09:41 AM

I'd love to hear more about source singers, and this would be a great place to do it. Unfortunately, no one seems to have the time, energy, inspiration or resources to write articles of the sort found here.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: John Moulden
Date: 05 Aug 00 - 03:12 PM

I don't like the term "source" singer but can understand why it's used. I, like everyone else, give a great deal of authority to the person from whom I first heard a song which is significant for me. They have made clear to me that this is a great song; that is much to their credit. However, I like to unravel, if I can, the way they got the song; so I go back as far as I can and as widely as possible.

What I find out from the past doesn't necessarily have greater authority than the way I first heard it. In this circumstance, the "source" of the song is not necessarily the best example to follow. One of my research interests, a poet called Hugh McWilliams, wrote (among other songs) "When a Man's in Love" but the way he wrote it is so wordy that it is not really singable. It needed all the people who sang it until the present day to turn it into the masterpiece that it is. Those singers made choices. I believe that it is the artistic choices of successive singers that fashion traditional songs.

The appalling thing about following famous singers is that it limits choice. The single most important sentence in all traditional music literature (in my view) is one by Albert B Lord in "The Singer of Tales" - "Songbooks spoil the oral character of the tradition only where the singer believes that they represent the way the song must be sung." (That may not be correctly quoted but it's right in essence.) In the same way, where we belive that the famous singer's performs the song the way it should be sung, we limit our choice.

I run Ulstersongs in order to provide choices; in order to allow singers to hear the singers from whom the famous singers learned their traditional songs and in order to make more songs and information available.

I do not think "source" singers necessarily have more authority than later performers: I do think that every singer should have as much power to make their own choices. Choices made in this way lend each singer's performance an authority which no amount of following another person's performance can - no matter how well it's done.

Information about me and a catalogue is available at Ulstersongs

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: kendall
Date: 06 Aug 00 - 09:11 AM

Sheila you sure do count, thanks so much, glad you enjoy my tape.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: mg
Date: 06 Aug 00 - 04:42 PM

regarding the pretty voice syndrome: to me it is such an auditory thing that I really like the pretty voices..the prettier the better...I can think of some good songwriters that can't sing very well, and some people who pass on good songs......but what can I say...I am shallow...I'll go for the pretty voice every time..

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: kendall
Date: 06 Aug 00 - 09:55 PM

Pretty voices and folk music dont seem to go together as a rule

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Lena
Date: 07 Aug 00 - 12:34 AM

What's this 'famous'thing?! Because of the 'family business',I've seen a couple of people you named.They're normal human beings. If it's about talent and what you've given to people,fair enouhg,I have a few ones I wanted to hugh to say"thank you"on behalf of hearing fellow humans.I did it.That's it. (But as a bretonist,i'm proud to say my dad worked with Alan stivell in times when i liked him.And uh,James Brown. I'm proud of that too.).I don't see what the fame frenzy has to do with folk.If you tell me well,so we can have 'autorities'to consult with at the Mudcat...that's nice.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Naemanson
Date: 07 Aug 00 - 05:19 AM

What is fame anyway? What makes a person famous? We've been talking about it here without defining terms. Some of the people mentioned above as being famous are strangers to me.

My definition has always been related to popularity. Thus someone like Rick Fielding or Kendall can be defined as famous within the confines of our community. But outside of the Mudcat their fame is limited. When I Show Rick's tape to my friends and talk about how great it is they just look blank. We all recognize Rod Stewart or Gregory Peck and consider them famous. Paul Mills has been contributing to the Stan Rogers Memoriam Thread. Many people would have no idea who he is but those who are Stan fans do. Does that make him famous?

Another measure of fame is money. If you add this into the mix folkies don't even show their heads above water. We are all familiar with the personal power rich people wield. How much money do you think our resident famous folkies make? Consider Bill Staines who spends so much of his life on the road. He travels in a minivan driving alone down that long lonely highway from venue to venue. He is famous within the folk world but not exactly rich.

I guess I don't quite know what we should do about fame. We need to define it here for our puposes.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: kendall
Date: 07 Aug 00 - 07:49 AM

Right on sir

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 07 Aug 00 - 08:02 AM

I figure being famous can be within specific areas of expertise.
Being a dietitian I may know certain nutritionist who have become famous within the field of nutrition for their contributions. They are famous amongst those of us interested in the study of nutrition. They may have not become wealthy or world renown but their efforts are recognized within the circle of nutritionist.

Before I became involved in folk music I did not know who Rick Fielding was, but once I start to become more aquainted with other musicians and those within the folk community, it was very apparent to me that Rick's dedication & contributions to the music has reach a level of recognition that I would consider famous amongst the folk music community.
I guess that is how I define famous then, the contributions someone has made in their field.

Bonnie

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Dorrie
Date: 07 Aug 00 - 09:08 AM

I personally meant fame as in people who we have heard of and who are publicly respected dorrie xxx

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Mbo
Date: 07 Aug 00 - 11:07 AM

Worked with Alan Stivell???!!! YES! The man flat out RULES!

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 07 Aug 00 - 11:33 AM

One day about a year after my father had died (I was 17) I was looking through his briefcase, which was filled with papers. I found a copy of "The Pharmaceutical Journal" with (surprise, surprise) his picture on the cover. He had been named "Pharmaceutical Man of the Year". I read the story and was fascinated that I hardly knew who they were talking about. Many doctors and druggists were quoted telling anecdotes about him, he was credited as having a major role in the developement of several products (including Coricidin) and in general, appeared to be known and respected far and wide....in pharmaceutical circles. The only part I recognised was a brief mention of his "being married with one child".

Yup there's fame and there's fame.

Rick

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 07 Aug 00 - 03:23 PM

Well Bonnie, I have played folk music for about as long as I can remember and started going to folk clubs and sessions around 1978 but it wasn't until last year that I heard of most of the names, including, Rick Fielding mentioned in this thread and I would lay money that nobody in the local clubs/ sessions will have heard of them either.

I don't think of myself as being specially ignorant for not hearing of these people but I do think that fame within folk music can be far more regional than one would imagine. Something else to thank forums such as Mudcat is that they do make you more aware of performers in other countries.

Jon

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Naemanson
Date: 07 Aug 00 - 05:23 PM

Hear! Hear! Jon.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 07 Aug 00 - 10:21 PM

Absolutely spot on Jon. It's one of the reasons that trying to bring an artist into a new area is well nigh impossible these days. Very few traditionally based artists who hadn't already gone National by the late seventies, surface these days. It's simply a matter of money. There ain't none to pay them!

For example: I've been trying to get interest up in Toronto for several wonderful veteran musicians. They all have many albums, lots of fans (in their region) and have skills that are mind boggling. Toronto is a huge city with a vibrant folk culture, but I've hardly found anyone who is even aware of the existence of: Bob Coltman, Freddie Vine (the finest acoustic blues picker in the universe), John Herald (who practically wrote the book on acoustic flatpicking), or Songwriter extraordinaire Gerry Rasmussen.

Recently a friend of mine attended a concert by Vin Garbutt, and confessed that he was truly amazed at the tiny turnout. Harvey Andrews did well enough here, but a few of us really used our mailing lists to the max, and made lots of phone calls telling everyone "I don't CARE if you've never heard of him, get your ass out to the show..you'll LOVE it!

Promoters want to make money (or at least not lose a bundle) so they make the same choices year after year. They KNOW that Eric Bogle will fill the place (even with the same songs) so he becomes a regular visitor. (and always is entertaining)

Nope you're right, folkies are strictly regional these days. If I didn't teach most of the year I could never afford to be on the road for the two months that I'm outta town.

My friend Garnet Rogers keeps a pretty high profile, but it involves seven months a year on the road, and that is hellish. He must have the constitution of an ox!

The only way most folk singers could actually get truly famous these days is to murder someone famous.

Rick

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Nynia
Date: 08 Aug 00 - 04:12 PM

Hey maybe it's Mudcat itself that's famous. There's a Mudcat Restaurant in South William Street, Dublin. I'd been passing the place for two months before I noticed the name.......observant or what........lol.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: SINSULL
Date: 08 Aug 00 - 04:37 PM

Paul Simon's brother let me touch Paul Simon's guitar once. Does that count? And I danced with Bryan Highland's brother once - "Itsy Bitsy Teeny Weeny Yellow Polka Dot Bikini". Bryan autographed my sneakers. And I visited the people who live next door to Luke Duke's father. Excuse me now. I am going to go get a life.
Mary

My cousin was the detective who arrested the men who killed all those people at the Wendy's in Flushing. She was struck by lightening the year before. I liked it better when I thought Dylan really was here. Sorry for the pathetic rant. I'm going now.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Jed at Work
Date: 08 Aug 00 - 04:47 PM

... while we're listing our brushes with near fame; I spent a wonderful day in Santa Cruz Bolivia with the daughter of the General credited with killing Che Guevara.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: CamiSu
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 01:03 AM

Ah Dorrie--

They are famous in our community, and you may have noticed that it goes all the way around the world. And usually they are more famous for having brought joy to some people than for making a pile of money. I found out last spring that I am famous in my town because most every kid under age 17 learned to ski from me (I have the priviledge of teaching the beginners--more fun I'm not allowed to have!) You know I'd rather have that than have a bunch of joes I'm never going to meet think I'm cool cause I'm cute and can maybe sing a verse or two...like say Britney Spears!

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 01:11 AM

Rick, I hope that one day you do manage to generate sufficient interest to get the "old timers" on. I can't claim to know the names but armed with that knowledge, I would most certainly turn out if they were on round here!

Jon

(who has heard both Vin Garbut and Harvey Andrews live - very different performers but both "world class" IMO)

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Melani
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 02:02 AM

I'm really well-known on my block. And my husband went to kindergarten with Steve Goodman.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Noreen
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 04:31 AM

Nynia, did you find out anything about the Mudcat Restaurant? Presumably there is some connection to this wonderful place, as I don't think mudcats are native to Ireland. :0)

Noreen

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Amergin
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 06:31 AM

I met Anne Rice at a book signing....was also on the news during the New Carissa spill, talking to the vultures....

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 07:25 AM

George Thorogood once walked past behind my back, as I was reading the George Thorogood tour poster on the wall at Rock City in Nottingham. Shoot but that fella can play.

Skipjack

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Lena
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 02:41 AM

The italian(politically and'folkly')correnspondent of Martin Carthy's crowd is Nouva Compagnia di Canto Popolare,an AMAZING band blaying medieval napolitan music.Last summer,as a technician,I had to help puttig up a performance in an old gothic abbey.It featured the Nuova Compagnia singing together with other ethnic players.(Very beautiful show....unforgettable setting).One of my mates was from Naples.Being twenty six,she was born and brought up listening to Nuova Compagnia's music.during their reharsing,she kept on hiding behind columns listening to them,with tears in her eyes .The last day,it was raining and we were all packed in a dining room.I don't know how it happened,but the singer of the Nuova Compagnia started singing my friend's favourite lullaby and her,from the other side of the table,couldn't help joining her with her beautiful deep voice.It was an unforgettable feeling.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: CarolC
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 02:49 AM

Lena-

That's a beautiful story.

Carol

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Homeless
Date: 28 Aug 00 - 02:13 PM

There was recently a folk festival near here that was sponsored by Front Porch Music. While I didn't get the opportunity to attend the fest, I was reading in their newsletter about who played.

One of the bands was Weavermania, and in the "bio" of the band members, I came across this quote...

'Mark Dvorak takes Peter Seeger's role. An award-winning recording artist and performer, Mark has been called "a folk singer's folk singer" who follows unerringly in the footsteps of Woody, Lead Belly, Big Bill, and Art Thieme.'

I don't know that this says that Art is "famous," but it definitely seems to say that he is well known enough and good enough that any semi-serious folk fan should recognise the name.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Jed at Work
Date: 28 Aug 00 - 03:17 PM

It certainly, (rightfully) places our Art in the big leagues!

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: kendall
Date: 28 Aug 00 - 04:18 PM

I once got a fan letter from Germany, That was very gratifying. A nephew was looking through records in California and came across "Lights along the shore". He had no idea that Folk Legacy records was that well distributed.Another time, my grand daughter was very upset because the teacher didnt believe her grand dad was Kendall Morse. Its those little bits of recognition that I appreciate, such as the time a little boy said to me "Do you know you are famous?" Had it been an adult, I probably would have given him a humourous answer, but, with a child I had to think up a straight answer. Not easy for me.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: guinnesschik
Date: 28 Aug 00 - 07:45 PM

(Big Loopy Grin After Reading This Thread) I certainly feel famous, having had Seamus Kennedy mention our li'l ol' band. *Sigh* Maybe someday! (Jed, are you listening?)

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: JedMarum
Date: 28 Aug 00 - 08:03 PM

I heard, guinnesschik ... that Seamus; he's such a kidder!

;-)

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: GUEST,beachcomber
Date: 28 Aug 00 - 08:23 PM

I used to own and run a small restaurant in the south of Ireland, (CO. Waterford in fact) Because of it I've met, (over some 10years) Liam Clancy, Paddy Clancy RIP, Tom Clancy RIP, Tommy Makem, Finbarr Furey, Paddy Reilly, Ronnie Drew, Barney McKenna, John Sheehan, Mick Moloney, Jimmy Crowley,Diarmuid O'Leary(of the "Bards") and Cyril Tawney, the great "Shanty man" from Devonshire in England. I have also had Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio the Movie actress and her Director husband Pat O'Connor in my establishment, and have had the pleasure of a chat with Anthony Hopkins when he was filming near by. God , none of them seemed to have been ,in any way, affected by their noteriety. In fact, they seemed to be almost grateful to be accepted and treated as regular people . Many years ago I remember Gregory Peck, Leo Genn and Noel Purcell as well as John Heuston, working on Moby Dick, in Youghal, a nearby town, and they also seemed to merge easily with the local populace . Do we put too great an expectation of self importance on those who have achieved a great measure of fame, when perhaps, they are not really willing to accept the burden that it often brings with it?

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Susan from California
Date: 28 Aug 00 - 11:05 PM

One of the Baldwin Brothers said the "F" word in front of me--I think it was Billy, but I'm not sure. I've met a fair amount of US stars and politicians because I used to be extremely active politically, but when the subject comes up, that's the story I tell most of the time...

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: reggie miles
Date: 29 Aug 00 - 11:16 AM

I've never strove for the illusive fame factor in any of my musical endeavors, only to play, what I play at, as well as I can and have fun doing it.

Does playing alot of music automatically make you famous? I don't know, I don't think so.

Presenting something unusual and entertaining enough to tickle and or inspire others has been a worthwhile goal.

That said, it would be nice to reap enough financial success to support myself in the style to which I'd like to become accustomed to. ;O)

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Mbo
Date: 29 Aug 00 - 11:33 AM

Fame doesn't equal money. That's why we say "Fame AND fortune." They can work separately of each other. James Scott Skinner is famous in my book, though most people don't even know who he is.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: LR Mole
Date: 29 Aug 00 - 02:09 PM

I think the "brushes with fame" stories deserve their own thread. I, myself, once peed next to Graham Nash, through in a different urinal. My comment was, as I recall," You guys are really good." Not trenchant, perhaps, but heart- felt at the time.He's still playing, and we both, as far as I know, are still peeing.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: kendall
Date: 29 Aug 00 - 03:20 PM

I played Pete Seegers banjo, Tommie Makems banjo, Wilf Carters guitar, and, Elton Britts guitar. Ramblin' Jack played and liked my Taylor.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Mbo
Date: 29 Aug 00 - 03:26 PM

I played Elvis Presley's piano! Nyah!

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Aug 00 - 05:10 PM

I once had a shit right after Kendall in the same outhouse at Fox Hollow.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 29 Aug 00 - 06:47 PM

I've slept in the same bed as Les Barker and Sid Kipper and Martin Carthy and Jim Couza. I've also kissed Roy Bailey and finished off June Tabor's sandwiches.

LTS, who has a sad life really.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 29 Aug 00 - 08:21 PM

Mbo, how does your book define fame? I know what you mean but how can somebody be famous if "most people don't know who he is"? ;-)

Jon

(Who has heard of J Scott Skinner)

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Benjamin
Date: 29 Aug 00 - 08:45 PM

I've got a following building up! And I'm not even playing out much at all! Give me some time!

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Mbo
Date: 29 Aug 00 - 09:30 PM

That's cool, Ben! BTW if all works out, you'll be meeting the Queen of the World! Talk about famous!

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: GUEST,Rich(stupidbodhranplayerwhodoesn'tknowbetter
Date: 30 Aug 00 - 01:15 PM

I've had the occasion to try Cathy Jordan's and Frank Torpey's bodhrans when they played for our folk music society.

More inportantly, I've played with a good number of brilliant musicians who'll never be known outside of their own little circles but nonetheless play some mighty music. I agree with what's been said previously. Famous is for other types of music. It's nice to have some big heavies to aspire towards, but I'll take plain, regular people who play like they don't need the money. Musicians that don't look down your nose at you. Musicians that make you feel welcome, sometimes without saying a word.

All the best,
Rich

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Benjamin
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 03:29 AM

Ah yes! Meeting the Queen of the World! Thanks for reminding me Mbo.
I don't know that I will be playing classical guitar proffesionally though. The compition is brutal!

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 09:22 AM

Found this thread while looking for something else.

I've had dinner with R. Buckminster Fuller. He was a lousy dinner conversationalist and a rather nasty personality.

On the plus side, I've met Seamus Kennedy. He's the opposite of Bucky Fuller, but just as smart. (Don't forget to send the money, Seamus.)

I have a copy of Christopher Moore's wonderful book "Lamb: the memoirs of Jesus's boyhood friend Biff." It's autographed to me. I also have autographed copies of Dana Stabenow's science fiction and autographed copies from other authors.

I used to have an autographed picture Pierre Mendes France too.

None of this means much. Christopher Moore was looking lost in a publisher's booth, giving the books away. Dana is a wonderful person and I consider her a friend. Pierre M.F. I never met; I was in cub scouts and thought he had a cool name.

Some folks think I'm famous. My neices and nephews, for instance. "Wow, I found your name on the Internet!"

I'd rather be famous for getting kids to read, or introducing them to music, or helping them reach adulthood without too many problems, than for designing cars or some new form of packaging. Fame with a lower-case "F" is fine with me (now fortune, with an upper-case "F," can come around anytime!).

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: kendall
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 12:58 PM

How about our own Jean Richie? AKA,Kytrad.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: GUEST,McGrath of Altcar
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 01:03 PM

I have played Ozzy Osbourne's Grand piano.

I recently used a microphone used on many Coldplay songs.

A telefunken. Very Good.

McGrath of Altcar

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Mary Humphreys
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 01:30 PM

Eliza Carthy is still famous - thank goodness! So are Harvey Andrews and John Spiers. And El Grecko.
Fame in the folkworld is very localised, and many of us have never heard of people who can fill concert-halls in other parts of the globe. That's why Folk is such a voyage of discovery in many cases - there is always something wonderful out there you have never heard before....

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: ard mhacha
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 01:31 PM

The people that contribute to this Site are all famous, ask a question about music or songs and you are never disappointed. Yes you are all famous. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Kim C
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 01:33 PM

Mister and I were on the TV news yesterday as we had performed at a historic site for a special event.

I used to go to church with Joe Mauldin, who was one of Buddy Holly's Crickets. His daughter and I are the same age.

Jonathan McEuen, son of John McEuen, has played my guitar. (It didn't help me none, though.)

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 01:41 PM

Who can name the two English musicians who formed "The Price of Fame or the Fame of Price" (late 60s early 70s)? Get it right and I'll make you famous ...

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Dita
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 03:15 PM

TheBigPinkLad,

I presume your talking about Alan Price (Animals/Alan Price Set) and Georgie Fame (and the Blue Flames/and later Van Morrison sideman).

They made an album for CBS in 1971 as Fame & price/Price & fame/Together. Their big number was "Rosetta" by Mike Snow.

They also toured and did a number of TV spots around the same time.

You can make me famous if you want, but don't put a Price on my head.

Cheers, John.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 05:20 PM

funny that no one has mentioned Roy Harris as a semi-regular Mudcat poster (using an alias...*smile*)

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Deckman
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 06:13 PM

Kendall ... I enjoyed your past comment about needing to give a straight answer. I've had my close calls with fame: post office posters, bill collectors, process servers, wimmen, etc. But my lasting fame has to do with my red (Finnish coloring) face and snow white hair and beard. This one tale tells it all: a couple of years ago I was standing in a grocery checkout line, the day AFTER Christmas. The next people in line behind me were a Mother and a youngster girl type child, perhaps about three.

The girl eyes got real big when she spotted me and she wouldn't stop staring at me. After a short while, she came right up to me, took my hand, and said: "Hello Santa. Did you get some sleep last night?"

I've lived with this "Santa" image most of my life and I try hard to avoid it, usually by getting my hair and white beard cut VERY short going into December. But now I was stuck.

My instincts were to give some smart assed comment and walk away, but this little darling was about three and all eyes and holding my hand! What to do?

Everyone watched me, especially the very large Mother.

I thought for a split second, knelt down, gave her a hug, and said, "Yes I did and thank you so much for thinking about me."

Then I ran for my truck! CHEERS, Bob

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 06:45 PM

Dita (John) Yep ... you're right. They were a good turn in a backstreet pub kinda way. Wonder what they're up to now.

p.s. when you wake up tomorrow morning you will feel famous.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Amos
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 07:14 PM

One of our famous -- if self effacing -- members is Margaret MacArthur, mistress of ballads and Thrice-Told Tales. She has a website here, and is renowned for her presentation of the oldest and finest of songs. A prizewinner, to boot!

A

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Peg
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 10:09 PM

well, depends which pond you frequent, don't it, how big the fish are...

I am glad to know all youse Mudcatters! And when, having spent some time jawing or playing, I later hear of some musical or other noteworthy item concerning one I have met in the flesh it is always a pleasure.

and now for some namedropping:
I have cooked dinner for the famous Kendall Morse, and he has cooked for me, and we have swatted mosquitoes and dealt with other camping nuisances side by side at Old Songs...and had some silly and serious debates to boot...so nyeah nyeah...
trouble is, so have a hundred other people here...

BTW, Kendall, I now have that wonderful song you gave me securely under my belt and hope to sing it for you soon...

peg

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Amos
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 10:20 PM

Bob:

I love that story,and well handled, too! Of course it just made perfect sense to her that you'd be checking ut at the grocery store in her town the day after Xmas!! Wunnerful!

A.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 18 Aug 03 - 11:34 PM

Well my mom has a picture of me when I was 3 years old in the arms of Claude Rains. It was at my cousin's Bar Mitzvah. And he went on to be the youngest law school dean in the country. My cousin, not Claude Rains. And I went to college with the former Queen Noor of Jordan and the current Senate majority leader. But that isn't my fault.

Arlo's been here as well (adg). And some clown named Patterson.

Aloha,
Mark

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Deckman
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 12:32 AM

Patterson who? Bob

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 12:43 AM

Seamus Kennedy is even famous up here in Alaska. We love ya, man.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Micca
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 05:16 AM

Here, Mark, as a Patterson that has visited HI are you casting nasturtiums?? which clown Patterson were you referring? and would you like to step outside while I make a lei outa your Uke?

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 06:00 AM

Gee, Micca, maybe you're related! And I wouldn't dare cast nasturtiums. Plumerias, maybe. But only at CarolC.

Aloha,
Mark
(I gotta stop posting late at night...)

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Frankham
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 12:50 PM

Rick, Mbo and others, thank you for the honor.

But this reminds me of the story, in Atlanta there was a great jazz clarinetist, Herman Fortich who one evening in his cups said,
"You know, nobody knows how famous we are."

One serious omission, though. Nobody has mentioned one of my favorites,
Kytrad (Jean Ritchie)

Frank Hamilton

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Kim C
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 01:01 PM

Frank, I believe someone mentioned Jean very early on in the thread. ('course, the thread's 3 years old...)

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Amos
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 01:01 PM

"You know, nobody knows how famous we are."

Wow -- a classic, worthy of Yogi Berra or Casey Stengel!! Thanks, Frank!! LOL!


A

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Kevin Sheils
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 01:08 PM

You know, nobody knows how famous we are.

Frank's comment reminds me of the story told by Archie Fisher (I think it was) at Sidmouth. Apparantly he was told by Christy Moore that he'd never be famous because he was too well known.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 01:09 PM

"You know, nobody knows how famous we are."

those were probably the ones crowding that restaurant that Yogi said no one goes to...

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Mary Humphreys
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 01:18 PM

There you are Kevin - Still, all the RIGHT people know who you are.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Snuffy
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 07:26 PM

I used to be world-famous in Manchester

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Amos
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 07:41 PM

I was once infamous in a small town in New England, where I represented the kind of person the residents warned their sons against becoming. It was all just a granfaloon, of course.


A

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Midchuck
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 08:11 PM

The closest I've come to fame was out-limericking Kendall

(What you don't know about Kendall Morse:
He was caught making love to his horse!
His wife said: "You rapscallion!
That horse is a stallion!
This constitutes grounds for divorce!")

And Bernie Sanders (the only US Congressman who isn't a goddam Republican or a goddam Democrat) wrote me (and my partners) a check a couple of weeks ago; and will write us another on Sunday if he doesn't run out of money. For howling before his speechifying.

Peter.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Deckman
Date: 19 Aug 03 - 10:14 PM

I've usually aquainted "fame" with adjulation. And now that I've grown up, I ask: "who needs it?" It's a big pain in the butt. I've met my share of famous people and I have also been pleased to make the personal friendship of lot's of my "heros." IF I choose a personal hero, it's because of a quality in them, or something they have done that I recognise, that I admire. Many of my person "heros" are musicians. Many are not. My interests range wide.

Early on I realized that all my "heros" put their pants on just as I do, one leg at a time. We all use toilet paper. We all have our foibles (that word will get you 41 points in any scrabble game).

CHEERS, Bob

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: bbc
Date: 20 Aug 03 - 12:04 AM

I'll add George Ward & Judy Cook to the list. I'm always pleased to see them post.

bbc

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: GUEST,Me Again
Date: 20 Aug 03 - 12:04 AM

I think the nearest I got to fame was in about 1935 when Golden Spike Days was celebrated in Omaha, Nebr. This was in imitation of the Old West and early railroading (mostly the mythical Old West). I had been dressed as a cowboy (movies model, not a real cowboy, of course) and was watching the parade in downtown Omaha, and Barbara Stanwick, on one of the vehicles in the parade, waved at me. (That's what my mother said, anyhow, but she had a lot of stories, mostly embarassing to me, that I cannot recollect, and hardly lived up to).

I've subsequently gotten to know, or at least introduced to, about 8 Nobel prize winners, but they weren't as pretty as Barbara Stanwyck. One of these was 'Harry' {now, Sir Harold Kroto, see his website), a SteelEye Span addict, he once admitted to me.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 20 Aug 03 - 12:23 AM

Fantastic singer/songwriter from Alaska Mike Campbell goes by the name mooseman here. Great guy, great songs.

Seamus

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Bert
Date: 20 Aug 03 - 12:29 AM

Ya know, I tell my friends how I talk on Mudcat with the likes of Frankham and Kytrad and Art Theime and Kendal Morse.

But in my heart there is a deep love for some other very famous 'catters.

There's WYSIWIG and Alan C and Kim C (Are they brother & sister?) and katlaughing and Micca and Annamill and LEEJ and Spaw and, and, and, I can't mention them all because there are so many, so I'm sorry if I've missed Sharon A and Rick and Little Hawk and MMario and Burke and Dana and, and, and.

Dammit I shouldn't have started this 'cos I haven't mentioned Amos and Joe Offer and Pene Azul and Peter T and Crowhugger (Where the hell has she been lately, and Matt_R and MaryMac and Morty and Sam Pirt and Ian and Bill Sables and Bill D and Ferrara and Songbob and, and, and, ..... Oh I give up If I've missed you Suzan and Dick and... and anyone else, just drop by and say hi! and I'll apologize for leaving you out.

Oh my gawd I can't believe I missed out Jeri, is that a Freudian slip or what. And Harpi and Wyowoman and SINSULL. Uh Oh! don't tell Tree I'm thinking of all these beautiful women.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Amos
Date: 20 Aug 03 - 09:03 AM

And let us not forget that Bert is perhaps the most famous Cat of them all, next to Max his own self, having had a Steamboat named after him, as well as co-hosting the once renowned Mudcat Radio!

A

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 20 Aug 03 - 09:41 AM

There is one small snag about being famous... everyone knows ya!

Sal

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Benjamin
Date: 20 Aug 03 - 04:58 PM

Bob, that isn't why I thought you were famous!
BMW

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Deckman
Date: 20 Aug 03 - 05:20 PM

Benjamin ... ??? Bob

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Compton
Date: 21 Aug 03 - 08:09 PM

I think Harvey Andrews is a bit famous!!...and dips in and out of Mudcat!

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: John Routledge
Date: 21 Aug 03 - 08:11 PM

Harvey must be top of the Famous and Nice table

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: GUEST,potbelly
Date: 10 Mar 06 - 10:49 AM

i once met bob dylan at earls court iwas drunk stoned as you are iwas lost down below some where and he came out of this side door he said something like how you doing, ijust came out with not now ime to f---ing busy,and still did not my seat, went back to eastend pub 1976 i think ah well.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 10 Mar 06 - 11:09 AM

In the folk world not so many. Met Martin Carthy once Billy Bragg (twice) Kate Bush very briefly a long time ago. Billy Connolly as well.Kathryn Tickell once nodded at me.
My wife was area secretary of The Beatles fan club back in the day.
She attended a special screening of Magical Mystery Tour with John & George on one occasion & met Paul on another.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Mr Happy
Date: 10 Mar 06 - 11:18 AM

I once appeared on stage with Bernard Wrigley and Keith Donnelly!

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 10 Mar 06 - 11:49 AM

A famous folk musician is a household name for one tenth of one percent of the people in this country. :-)

Total obscurity comes in a close second..

Jerry (Still obscure after all these years and lovin' it.)

(Maybe we need a thread to determine who is the most Obscure Mudcatter..)

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Mar 06 - 12:04 PM

There's me, although I've been on the stage and even played in public.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: GUEST,reggie miles
Date: 10 Mar 06 - 12:18 PM

I agree with Jerry. I think the idea of a most obscure rating or ranking would be much more fun.

I'll start. I'm so obscure that a recent fan email poured into my inbox the other day asking when and where my next performances would be. I had to email back that I had no scheduled performances to offer. The fan was so obscure that the email wasn't even signed.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 10 Mar 06 - 12:23 PM

The last stage that I was on was when I was told to get out of town before sunset.

Jerry

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 10 Mar 06 - 12:26 PM

I just googled "purple foxx" & apparently I was used as a foot phaser pedal by Brian May of Queen.
Must have had one too many that night.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 11 Mar 06 - 06:08 AM

Aah've played in front o' the Prince of Wales!

I've played in front of a lorra different pubs actually.

Aah've MC'd a lorra festivals an' aah've had the pleasure of 'working' with a lorra lovely famous people but......

The high spot was deein' support for Richard Thompson at The Unicorn Theatre in Abingdon, Oxfordshire in July 2004 - Magic!

Gerruptivit Man!

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: GUEST,strange
Date: 17 Sep 06 - 08:56 PM

rick your sweet - but not as sweet as you seem.....lol

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Rusty Dobro
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 09:34 AM

My nephew is fairly famous in the UK (in a non-musical context)- lots of results on Google, a page in the IMDB. recognised in the street, and now has an expensive house on the Thames and a new Porsche. However, he now ignores the rest of his family, reduces his mother to tears when she has to admit that he never returns her 'phone calls, and has never acknowledged a lot of work and time I put into a personal favour to him. So the devil's pox on fame if that's what it does to you.

Hugs and kisses,

Rusty

(My next-door neighbour used to wash the Hollies' shirts, I've met Les Paul, and I once opened for Gordon Giltrap. Damn, I AM famous after all!)

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: eddie1
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 10:42 AM

I've met lots of famous people in my time but the one I'm most proud of – I know a man who knows the guy who was the body double for Compo in "Last of The Summer Wine"!
Now he really has a claim to fame.

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 11:57 AM

I was Mr Cod Liver Oil and Orange Juice of 1949, and my photograph was in the window of the Ministry of Food when I was a baby.

Really after that, everything else was a bit of an anti-climax....

Subject: RE: Famous Mudcatters
From: NightWing
Date: 18 Sep 06 - 08:29 PM

I know one guy who is immensely famous ... but nobody knows his name.

In George Thorogood's song "One Bourbon, One Scotch and One Beer", he gets kicked out of his place:

So I go down the streets,
down to my good friend's house
I said "Look man I'm outdoors you know,
can I stay with you maybe a couple days?"
He said "Let me go and ask my wife"
He come out of the house,
I could see it in his face
I know that was no
He said "I don't know man, ah she kinda funny, you know"
I said "I know, everybody funny, now you funny too"

I know the man who was/is that friend. He had only been married a short time and his wife hated George's guts. George verified it was him. (So I guess I've met TWO famous people :-)

Very funny guy, too. *LOL*

BB,
Little Head