Lyrics & Knowledge Personal Pages Record Shop Auction Links Radio & Media Kids Membership Help
The Mudcat Cafesj

Post to this Thread - Sort Descending - Printer Friendly - Home


BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage

Mrrzy 09 Aug 00 - 09:04 AM
Clinton Hammond2 09 Aug 00 - 11:41 AM
Max 09 Aug 00 - 12:07 PM
Clinton Hammond2 09 Aug 00 - 12:35 PM
Mbo 09 Aug 00 - 01:35 PM
bob jr 09 Aug 00 - 01:58 PM
Mbo 09 Aug 00 - 02:18 PM
SeanM 09 Aug 00 - 02:23 PM
catspaw49 09 Aug 00 - 02:27 PM
SeanM 09 Aug 00 - 02:27 PM
SeanM 09 Aug 00 - 02:28 PM
Mrrzy 09 Aug 00 - 02:40 PM
Mbo 09 Aug 00 - 02:46 PM
Morticia 09 Aug 00 - 02:52 PM
Lepus Rex 09 Aug 00 - 02:54 PM
Max 09 Aug 00 - 02:55 PM
Jon Freeman 09 Aug 00 - 02:55 PM
death by whisky 09 Aug 00 - 02:57 PM
Noreen 09 Aug 00 - 03:12 PM
Mbo 09 Aug 00 - 03:13 PM
Roger in Sheffield 09 Aug 00 - 03:22 PM
Mbo 09 Aug 00 - 03:30 PM
Mrrzy 09 Aug 00 - 03:38 PM
Linda Kelly 09 Aug 00 - 04:22 PM
Amergin 09 Aug 00 - 04:27 PM
catspaw49 09 Aug 00 - 04:43 PM
Brakn 09 Aug 00 - 05:24 PM
Bill D 09 Aug 00 - 06:09 PM
Thomas the Rhymer 09 Aug 00 - 06:43 PM
Branwen23 09 Aug 00 - 07:20 PM
Mbo 09 Aug 00 - 07:27 PM
Branwen23 09 Aug 00 - 07:30 PM
Mbo 09 Aug 00 - 07:45 PM
Quincy 09 Aug 00 - 08:14 PM
Mbo 09 Aug 00 - 08:23 PM
Branwen23 09 Aug 00 - 08:37 PM
Mbo 09 Aug 00 - 08:42 PM
Branwen23 09 Aug 00 - 08:47 PM
RWilhelm 10 Aug 00 - 12:44 AM
Callie 10 Aug 00 - 12:56 AM
Clinton Hammond2 10 Aug 00 - 01:02 AM
Mbo 10 Aug 00 - 01:27 AM
Wesley S 10 Aug 00 - 09:17 AM
catspaw49 10 Aug 00 - 09:25 AM
Clinton Hammond2 10 Aug 00 - 01:12 PM
bob jr 11 Aug 00 - 12:56 AM
Mbo 11 Aug 00 - 01:15 AM
Dave the Gnome 11 Aug 00 - 04:18 AM
Naemanson 11 Aug 00 - 07:35 AM
Jon Freeman 11 Aug 00 - 10:50 AM
Naemanson 11 Aug 00 - 11:03 AM
Jon Freeman 11 Aug 00 - 11:20 AM
Mbo 11 Aug 00 - 12:10 PM
Thomas the Rhymer 11 Aug 00 - 01:04 PM
Naemanson 11 Aug 00 - 01:11 PM
Jon Freeman 11 Aug 00 - 01:14 PM
SeanM 11 Aug 00 - 03:14 PM
Kim C 11 Aug 00 - 03:49 PM
Thomas the Rhymer 11 Aug 00 - 04:43 PM
P05139 12 Aug 00 - 10:40 AM
Jon Freeman 12 Aug 00 - 12:35 PM
Thomas the Rhymer 12 Aug 00 - 01:03 PM
Bill D 12 Aug 00 - 07:13 PM
Shamrock 12 Aug 00 - 08:07 PM
McGrath of Harlow 12 Aug 00 - 08:56 PM
Mbo 12 Aug 00 - 09:07 PM
death by whisky 12 Aug 00 - 09:47 PM
Lepus Rex 12 Aug 00 - 10:01 PM
Mbo 12 Aug 00 - 10:20 PM
death by whisky 12 Aug 00 - 10:22 PM
bob jr 13 Aug 00 - 12:08 AM
Mbo 13 Aug 00 - 12:16 AM
Naemanson 13 Aug 00 - 08:49 AM
Mbo 13 Aug 00 - 09:43 AM
Jon Freeman 13 Aug 00 - 10:46 AM
Lepus Rex 13 Aug 00 - 10:54 AM
Naemanson 13 Aug 00 - 11:12 AM
Jon Freeman 13 Aug 00 - 11:25 AM
Naemanson 13 Aug 00 - 11:44 AM
Jon Freeman 13 Aug 00 - 12:11 PM
Mbo 13 Aug 00 - 12:26 PM
Jon Freeman 13 Aug 00 - 12:32 PM
P05139 13 Aug 00 - 12:35 PM
Mbo 13 Aug 00 - 12:47 PM
Jon Freeman 13 Aug 00 - 12:59 PM
Naemanson 13 Aug 00 - 01:03 PM
Mbo 13 Aug 00 - 01:34 PM
Jon Freeman 13 Aug 00 - 02:01 PM
Mbo 13 Aug 00 - 02:12 PM
Jon Freeman 13 Aug 00 - 02:20 PM
Mbo 13 Aug 00 - 02:48 PM
Naemanson 13 Aug 00 - 02:51 PM
Jon Freeman 13 Aug 00 - 02:59 PM
Mbo 13 Aug 00 - 03:00 PM
Branwen23 13 Aug 00 - 03:11 PM
Branwen23 13 Aug 00 - 03:14 PM
Mbo 13 Aug 00 - 03:20 PM
Jon Freeman 13 Aug 00 - 03:34 PM
Mbo 13 Aug 00 - 04:10 PM
Naemanson 13 Aug 00 - 05:01 PM
Branwen23 13 Aug 00 - 05:04 PM
Jon Freeman 13 Aug 00 - 06:41 PM
Lepus Rex 13 Aug 00 - 06:45 PM
Callie 13 Aug 00 - 07:42 PM
Naemanson 13 Aug 00 - 09:44 PM
Mbo 13 Aug 00 - 10:15 PM
Brakn 14 Aug 00 - 04:44 AM
Naemanson 14 Aug 00 - 07:01 AM
GUEST,The Yank 14 Aug 00 - 04:53 PM
catspaw49 14 Aug 00 - 06:10 PM
P05139 14 Aug 00 - 06:16 PM
GUEST,The Yank 14 Aug 00 - 08:26 PM

Share Thread
more
Lyrics & Knowledge Search [Advanced]
DT  Forum
Sort (Forum) by:relevance date
DT Lyrics:













Subject: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 09:04 AM

Check out this article from today's Washington Post - http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/style/news/A55908-2000Aug8.html - Oasis again forced off the stage by thrown bottles etc - whazzup, here? Mbo?


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 11:41 AM

Hey, I'd probably pay ticketbastard prices to heave rocks at them.... but that's just me...

{~`


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Max
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 12:07 PM

They stink.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 12:35 PM

Oh that's objective Max!

LOL!!!!

Wish I stunk so much I had their money!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 01:35 PM

Oh goodie, just what I needed first thing in the morning, an Oasis bashing thread. Why don't you all just shut the hell up? Give me Oasis over any of your folk/blues stuff anyday. Think I'll kick this place in the dumper and head over the the Oasis mailing list.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: bob jr
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 01:58 PM

yeah oasis is better than all folk/blues artists combined right mbo? you will grow up to find out how very wrong your are but hey enjoy your youth thats what it is there for! by the way oasis do suck they are the most derivative bunch of crud to come out of england for quite some time and that is saying something. now when it comes to beatles rip off bands i just stick with badfinger now that was an interesting story (two suicides and a manager who ran off with all their money sheesh if only the gallagher twits would follow badfingers lead)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 02:18 PM

Go folk yourself binkybob. How would you know "wrong" and "crud" when you don't even know what punctuation is, or the Shift key for that matter? F***ing nipples, all of you.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: SeanM
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 02:23 PM

Woohoo! Oasis flame war!

For the record, I hate 'em. Something about the singer's voice hits a nerve in my head and I get a screaming headache after about 3 songs - it's kinda hard to get an objective opinion in that case.

HOWEVER, why flame them? They do their thing. A LOT of people like them. They're decreasing in "popularity" as the trends in pop music shift away from them, and soon they'll be left with the hardcore fans and whatever verdict history gives them. Live and let live, and let's flame someone worthwhile. Christina Aguillera, for example.

M


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: catspaw49
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 02:27 PM

Aw c'mon Sean.........Howabout Brittney Spears? A true talent whose abilities span the spectrum from A to B.

Spaw


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: SeanM
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 02:27 PM

Unless the idea is just to get Mbo revved up... in which case...

Hey, everyone, I think [insert band/singer/musician/trained monkey] really has lost it. I mean, they're [killing/reinventing/painting Monet's lost masterpiece all over] music as we know it. Seriously! [band/singer/musician/favorite brand of snack cake] is the end of [pop/folk/pubic hair fiddle] music as we know it.

Anyone care to add? Then we can just figure out who likes what band and start plugging in names...

M


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: SeanM
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 02:28 PM

'Spaw...

Friend of mine and I have a phrase for all the Brittneys, N'Syncs and all of the world...

"My, that song must have great choreography"

Kinda said it all to us...

M


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 02:40 PM

Mbo, all I asked was what was up. I figured you'd know. I didn't know that asking what is up with a band is tantamount to being a nipple, or whatever. I don't know them from a hole in the ground. So this was NOT created as an Oasis-bashing, Mbo's taste-bashing, or anything-else-bashing thread. It just happens that the first few people to answer weren't you. It also happens that they hate your favorite band. Whom I am, indeed, looking forward to experiencing, especially after this thread! Whoo boy! See you the day after tomorrow, if you're still talking to me...


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 02:46 PM

I'm supposing "that singer" you would be refering to would be Liam. If you had any sort of curiousity at all, you'd try to understand them. Not every song is a blistering rocker with Liam singing lead. Delve into their lesser known songs, their tons of acoustic ones, and the soft mellow voice of Liam's brother Noel. You think you know so much because of 3 of their songs you've heard on the radio. What in the hell are you folkies doing listening to the radio anyway? You should be out playing folk festivals so all the whiners shut their bleeding mouths.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Morticia
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 02:52 PM

Actually, I quite like them and own a couple of their albums......so bite me. Seems to me from the Most Embarrasing Album Thread that most of us have some stuff in our collection that we are bit squeamish about now.......tastes change.....so do people.......so what? BTW, Mrrzy, I don't know what the problem is either, hoped Mbo could shed a little light on it too.....guess he's too busy being mad at everybody.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 02:54 PM

Nothing to get so worked up about, Mbo. So they hate your favourite band? So I hate your favourite band? I can probably guarantee that over 99% of Mudcatters would hate GWAR, but I couldn't care less. There's no reason to insult people over a band that wouldn't care if you lived or died.

---Lepus Rex


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Max
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 02:55 PM

Ya gotta love the Mbo's tenacity huh?

Oasis and The Smashing Pumpkins both use the same technique when playing live concerts. They apparently feed off of negative energy so they insult the crowds with anything they can and get the crowd all riled up. They love this. When you read about these things, they did it on purpose and loved every minute of it. I am sure they would be as pleased as punch if a riot broke out killing hundreds. I think they might be trying to break the record for concert deaths, recently set by Pearl Jam in Germany.

I really get offended with such behavior, so I often form strong, negative opinions of bands that enjoy and perpetuate such negativity.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 02:55 PM

Mbo, I like you but there are times when I feel that you demonstrate a similar level of immaturity to Liam Gallagher.

Jon


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: death by whisky
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 02:57 PM

.I like Oasis.They are a band that play,yes,play instruments and perform live.O.K,so theres a couple of Beatle sounding riffs there.Big deal.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Noreen
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 03:12 PM

Cool it, Matty- no-one's getting at you!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 03:13 PM

The reason they got bottles thrown at them is because they like to drink beer and insult people. Sound familiar Clint, Max...? As for being happy they people die at their concerts, I think that a horrible thing to say. People have been killed at No Doubt and Grand Funk concerts, and I don't remember them ever thriving off negative energy. And I suppose we should ban World Cup soccer too, because people get killed there too. Bedamn such a sport that thrives on negative energy.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Roger in Sheffield
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 03:22 PM

Never liked Liams vocals but Noels stuff is Ok
And they are still so much better than Robbie Williams and sickly Miss Brittany Spears
Roger


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 03:30 PM

Max, I sent you my tape. Take some time to listen to Side 2, song #4. Tell me if it stinks.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 03:38 PM

SO, Mbo, I guess you ARE still talking to me?


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 04:22 PM

just leave Robbie Williams out of it -Pete at our folk club does a wonderful version of Angels. Mbo- you have to realise that when some of us get to a certain age -all that music you young people play sounds like senseless drivel

I am sure Noel and Liam are perfectly nice boys when the drugs wear off -otherwise why would that nice Patsy Kensit have married Liam ?-- errr...and then divorced him.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Amergin
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 04:27 PM

Hey, Mbo, this is bloody rich you getting pissed off at folks because they don't like your band....If I heard them chances are I wouldn't like them either.....You need to get out of your mommy and daddy's house and GROW THE FUCK UP!!!! I know this hasn't been the first time I've said this, but then no one ever listens to me anyways....

Amergin


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: catspaw49
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 04:43 PM

Well geez 'Gin....I listen.

I remember being young far too well and the world was young and new and everything was exciting and different and a new challenge, a new opportunity. As we age we tend to focus in more on what we like and make less time for trying out new stuff. Some things are finite. Time is limited.

As to Oasis, before I heard them, I heard ABOUT them and what I heard I didn't like....so I gave them a pass. We don't have to like the politics or personalities of our favorite people and performers, but when I hear things first....well, I'm human and it colors my judgement. There are too many things that I want to listen to and have trouble getting around to already. Often, I rely on Karen to keep me "up" on pop as she drives 2 hours a day and listens.

Spaw


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Brakn
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 05:24 PM

Find a Beatles songbook, think up two words that rhyme, whinge a bit and hey presto, you're a songwriter. Bollix.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 06:09 PM

'tis truly an amazing thing when insulting the audience and dodging bottles becomes part of the ....ahem...'music'.... I can't say I EVER went to a concert where one even wondered if there would be riots and/or injury & deaths involved.

Ah, well...different strokes for different 'folks', huh?


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 06:43 PM

Oasis is a great band, and their music is more positive than most; these days... Bashing a member of the generation following yours is stupid. The tendency to do this stems from the payback motive created by mean parents, and the disgusting competitive thing "I finally got mine" that older generations do...
Mbo is honest about what he likes, and if any of you were really open, you would have to admit that you listened to some horrid stuff at some stage,... and Oasis is sooo much better than the misogynist suicidal acid schlock that was popular for far too long!

I must add, however, that Wonderwall is a fine song,...

I am just not there any more. With hundreds of teen angst shows under my belt, and hundreds of thousands of hours of ear splitting 'sessions', I have moved to the quiet town of my folk roots, and I am so much happier for it! AAAAAH!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Branwen23
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 07:20 PM

Temper, temper, Mbo... looks to me like somebody needs a nap....

-Branwen-


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 07:27 PM

Just goes to show--don't get on the wrong side of a red-headed Oasis megafan. The Swamp Song for all of you! Weeee!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Branwen23
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 07:30 PM

Just kidding with you, Mbo.... I have sort of a problem with "band-bashing" (or anyone-bashing) threads in general.... seems kind of pointless to me. Everyone should just listen to the music they like and leave other people alone....

-Branwen-


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 07:45 PM

Thanks goodness there's someone else out there to help me stick up for modern music. BTW your Oasis tape is done (I was listening to it in the car today) And I'll send it out next Wednesday.

--Matt


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Quincy
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 08:14 PM

I was just thinking that there are a few songs by Oasis that could apply quite nicely to a thread that might annoy us.......
"Some might say" "You gotta roll with it" and "Don't look back in anger!!!!"

--Yvonne


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 08:23 PM

YES YVONNE!!! Good one! Don't matter if it's outta tune, cos yer all cool!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Branwen23
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 08:37 PM

Thanks, Matt... I'll get your cd done tomorrow... or would you prefer a tape?

-Branwen-


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 08:42 PM

Whatever you find easier Bran. CD is fine, I just do stuff on tape, cause as I said, I'm technologically lacking...


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Branwen23
Date: 09 Aug 00 - 08:47 PM

that's okay, Mbo.... we'll bring you into the 21st century yet....


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: RWilhelm
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 12:44 AM

I wonder if they ever discuss folk on the MTV page.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Callie
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 12:56 AM

I don't know a thing about Oasis - I've only heard the music and it sounds good to me. Hell - unplugged, they could probably pass as modern folk to the unsuspecting.

Why don't you old fogeys lay off Mbo? Listen to yourselves - "you young people with your loud music..." Next you're going to say you fought in the war!

Callie (All music can be good music!)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 01:02 AM

Didn't there used to be a folk/blues site called Mudcat around here somewhere???

Mbo, try a bran muffin... Just because someone criticises something you happen to like, it is not a criticisim of YOU!

Different people like differnt things... accept it... EVERYONE!

Mudcat needs that bran muffin WAAAY more than Mbo does... No wonder membership is dropping like acid at woodstock...

And Mbo? If you don't want to discuss folk/blues music, then why are you here in the first place???

I'm curious to hear your take...


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 01:27 AM

Because I know a lot about music and I like helping people. I didn't come here because I was a folkie. I never was and never will be a folkie. I am a person who loves all kinds of music. Folk just happens to be one of them. I don't care much for modern folk (!) or American stuff. I like Celtic (dare I use the term?) music, whether it be traditional or modern compositions. I DO NOT let any one style of music eclipse the others.

I don't care about all this malarkey about only good music is folk or has folk roots. If it sounds good to me, I like it. I don't give a dingo's kidney if it's commercialized or corporate or whatever. I, unlike most folkies, do not have this obsession with money, that any one who makes money from music they play are evil, and aren't we so great poor people singing our folk music that no one likes and we're so great cuz all we care about it the music and not the money? Please, spare me. To quote Doyle, "I play the game, for the game's own sake."

I like music, period. That's why I'm here. And Clint, in my condition, bran is the LAST thing I need.

--Mbo


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Wesley S
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 09:17 AM

What I want to complain about is Spaws totally unjust views about Brittany Spears. Spaw - one look at her will tell you that her talent does NOT run the gamet from A to B. You should be able to see that it runs from A to DD. Look closer.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: catspaw49
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 09:25 AM

Obviously its the old age......I haven't kept abreast of developments on the Spears front......so to speak.

Spaw


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 10 Aug 00 - 01:12 PM

Thanks for clearing that up for me Mbo... Now I know why someone who whails so is at a folk/blues MB...

I'm beginning to think the whole damn Mudcat could use that bran muffin though!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: bob jr
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 12:56 AM

mbo sounds more like you need a pacifier for the record oasis suck


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 01:15 AM

Then give me an official Oasis Pacifier anyday! SUCK SUCK SUCK!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 04:18 AM

Ey! I saw dat bit about de tape bein' ready. I 'ave fot tell ya dat I don't fink much ov me mates Liam and Noel bein' ripped off like. We'll get the Salford lads to come an stamp ya.

Sorted.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Naemanson
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 07:35 AM

Gee Mrrzy, did you ever get an answer to your question? Did you think it would cause such a flame war?

Mbo, I am not familiar with Oasis. What cuts would you suggest I download to hear what you hear when you listen to them. As I have said elsewhere my interest in rock has waned considerably but there are times when I need my fix. Last night I had Queen and The Who cranked on my stereo. So give over and let me know what is a good taste of this band. PM me if you figure your answer will spark more of this stupid stuff.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 10:50 AM

Naemanson, given that Oasis are a controversial group who thrive on insulting their audience and have things like getting band from Cathay Pacific airlines for abusing other passengers, standing on seats, etc it is hardly surprising that this thread (why did some audience members throw things at them) attracted some negative feedback.

What is surprising is that Mbo knowing the band's reputation should read the first 3 posts and say "Why don't you all just shut the hell up? Give me Oasis over any of your folk/blues stuff anyday". Please re-read the thread.

Jon


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Naemanson
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 11:03 AM

I did read the thread, Jon. I just want to know what all the flap is about. My next step is to search the threads to see what the news stories are.

As I see it todays kids are a pretty angry bunch. My previous girlfriend works a lot with kids and says many of them have reason to be angry. I think she's going a little too far in their defense but it gives a band like Oasis an edge in promoting their music if they play on that anger.

I want to hear for myself what is attractive about their music. Then I want to know what the negative side is. Many comedians have made a name by being insulting to their audiences. It is just a style that attracts some.

If they are abusive to classes of people though that is different. That ranks them in with the KKK or the nazis and I won't even give them a hearing. I haven't heard anything like that here so I at least want to find out what they are about.

So, Mbo, what about it? Are you ready to introduce an old fogie to Oasis? I guarantee nothing more than a willing ear.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 11:20 AM

Naemanson, I have never heard anything about Oasis to lead me to think that they could be ranked with the KKK or the Nazis. As far as I understand it, they are abusive to people regardless of class.

Maybe you should pop over to Hearme sometime and hear Mbo perfrom a couple of Oasis numbers live. I am not a big fan of their music - to me it comes into the OK but does nothing special for me category - and in fairness to Mbo, he does their songs well.

Jon


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 12:10 PM

Well Brett, check these out: Talk Tonight, Round Are Way, Half The World Away, Let's All Make Believe, Sad Song, Angel Child, D'yer Wanna Be a Spaceman, Up In The Sky (acoustic), Cigarettes & Alcohol, Married With Children, Sunday Morning Call, I Got The Fever, The Masterplan, Going Nowhere and the masterpiece Whatever. Good luck. Come to Hearme to sometime.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 01:04 PM

Blaming Oasis for the negative energy at their shows is like blaming surfers for a small swell...

It makes no sense to me to listen to media about music, because they need to pump controversy in order to please their economic benefactors,...advertizers.

Oasis is EXTREMELYpositive, and that they could bring their music to such a troubled generation is a blessing in it self.

What kind of doctor could he be,... he's always aroud sick people!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Naemanson
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 01:11 PM

Thanks, Mbo, I'll report back later. Could be a few days, I have a busy weekend. Maybe I'll get my daughter to do the download for me. That should raise a few eyebrows in my house!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 01:14 PM

"Blaming Oasis for the negative energy at their shows is like blaming surfers for a small swell..."

Thomas, please expand on this. I genuinely do not understand what you are saying.

Jon


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: SeanM
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 03:14 PM

OK... Lemme start by rephrasing my original post...

I have no personal grudge against Oasis. I've got friends that love 'em, but Noel's(?) singing is at a pitch that personally aggravates me - nothing against his singing, just against what it does to my head.

k?

Now... as to the 'aggressive and negative energy' at the shows...

Sadly, this is an element at almost EVERY "alternative" show these days. The recent round of violent shows dates back to the '70s and the punk rock scene - though I should note that while it started there, what happens today is not what happened then.

The original 'violence' people saw was from the slam pits, pogos and other various vagaries of the punk scene. It was violent, but for such a supposed anarchic scene, it was very ORDERED violence. If someone falls, you pick them up. If someone's being crushed, you make room and get them out. If someone's hurt, you make sure they get help. I've been on both sides of this - at the Ramone's (big name New York punk band, to those not aware) farewell show in Los Angeles, I went down several times in 'the pit', and was immediately helped up by the dancers and spectators. I also helped out a young man who'd had his leg broken in an unfortunate accident. However, odd as this may sound, this is expected at these shows (OK, maybe not the broken leg. That's the first major injury I've seen in 10-20 years worth of shows). It's rather like extreme sports - you know you're doing something dangerous, you understand the risks, and you help out your fellow participants.

Now... fast forward to the '90s, when 'punk' became trendy again...

One thing not many will argue about is that when a smaller subset gets absorbed by the larger mass of 'popular culture', the fine points and details of why things are done, and the etiquette and conduct suffers for it. The punk scene was absorbed, and unfortunately, suddenly every single teenybopper "punker" decided that the way to be cool was to dive head first into "the pit" and start hurting people, to be a "cool punker". As the trend shifted, these kids decided that the "pit" was still cool, and as most 'alternative' bands (of which Oasis is one) draw from this crowd for their audience, the audience brought the misbehaviour with it. The result tends to be large audiences intent on trying to get up on the stage or as close to it as possible (an accepted practice amongst some bands on the punk circuit), attempting to start HUGE 'mosh pits' without the courtesies in the original forms (I got trampled a few times before I swore never to go in a pit again), crowd surfers, and all sorts of other abberations that popped up.

*sigh* Where's the "get back on to the point" key on this thing, anyway?

I think the point of all this (besides a hopeful window into where some of this comes from) is that I don't blame the band in situations where someone is hurt, any more than I'd blame '60's psychadelia bands for ODs at their shows. It's become an unfortunate part of the subculture, and nothing the bands say or do will have much effect on it until it plays itself out.

M


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Kim C
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 03:49 PM

Hmmmmm again.

I have been out of the popular music loop for a Really Long Time, but just now getting back in since my computer here at work has speakers and I've got Real Player and can listen to stuff from All Around the World! I've heard a lot of stuff I actually like. Some of it is trite and mindless but it's pleasing to my ear. So there. I like some of Robbie Williams' songs. I'm marginally intrigued by this Eminem guy. I've heard one Oasis song and frankly, it's all right by me. I might not go out and buy their records, but I don't have anything agin 'em. So they act silly on stage. They make jerks of themselves. Let 'em. They wouldn't be the first. I've heard much worse, believe me.

Again, can't we each just have a fish?


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 11 Aug 00 - 04:43 PM

Sure Jon, no problem.

Sean said it right, and corroborates my feelings pretty well. The band is more often the victim than the initiator, and what we old fogies often forget is that indeed the Beatles were also carried by the times, and not necessarily leading them. In popular Grateful Dead colloquial, "those who choose to lead, must surely follow...", is an effective maxim.

An exclusively recording band/artist is not caught up with the audience's mass psychology, and you might notice how the Beatle's music changed when they stopped appearing live. But what do you think about the girlish hysteria that catapulted the Beatles so terrifyingly far?

Hooking into the mass psychology of society at the specific time of one's CD release, is what pop is all about. We here at the mudcat have seen through the hype, and are above all that though...LOL... and never take the media at their word.

But to get back to Jon's question, I think of pop musicians as people who wait like surfers for the next wave, position themselves, and the one who is in the right place at the right time with the right emotional speed,... gets the wave.

Sad though how hokey 50 years of electronic media orientation has made our society.

O.K?


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: P05139
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 10:40 AM

Oasis are alright when they let Noel sing. I actually like "Sunday Morning Call", "Champagne Supernova" and "Wonderwall" even though Liam sings on a couple of those. It's just a shame they're always arguing instead of writng music.

Anyway, if you wanna slag off popstars, slag off Daphne And Celeste, the annoying squeaky little beeps. I'd prefer to listen to LOLLY!!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 12:35 PM

Sean and Thomas, interesting comments and they have atleast made me think how my attitudes towards music have changed over the years.

I actually think that my tastes have broadened over the years rather than narrowed and that I am open to giving anything a listen. I do however feel (perhaps wrongly) that I am far more discerning than I used to be and am less likely to be influenced by marketing and peer pressure.

The one area I know I have become less tolerant over is the behavior of a band, years ago, it didn't matter how a band behaved and perhaps bad behaviour was even cool but these days, I have no patience for such things. Again I could be wrong but I like to think that me expecting adult behaviour and common decency from others is a sign of increased maturity.

I have to dissagree over the Beatles example. Surley there is a big difference between a group of women getting hysterical simply because they are watching a group who are just playing and people reacting to abuse hurled out at them by a band. IMO, the latter constitutes incitement.

Jon


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 01:03 PM

One might like to believe that the Beatles created all that Hysteria, but it must have happened in an inhibited environment... this might be considered abuse. LOL?

Hmmmm :~I


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 07:13 PM

"I didn't come here because I was a folkie. I never was and never will be a folkie."

"Why don't you all just shut the hell up? Give me Oasis over any of your folk/blues stuff anyday".

...so why DOES Mbo (and others who prefer pop/rock/SS) come here?
there was an old Mutt & Jeff cartoon...Li'l Jeff is on his hands & knees under a streetlight, and Mutt asks him what he is doing...Jeff says "I lost a silver dollar" Mutt gets down and helps him look for awhile...then asks "Are you sure you lost it around here?" ..."No", says Jeff,"I lost it down in the middle of the block"..."Then why are you looking HERE?", asks Mutt...."Oh", says Jeff, the lights much better here."

sounds like the best metaphor I can find...The Mudcat is a forum with more bells & whistles than ANYPLACE...makes no difference if our general purpose is "folk & blues"....."the light's better here"


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Shamrock
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 08:07 PM

A review of their last album contained the following " Finally, Oasis have run out of other peoples ideas ". A bit harsh, but possibly true. I love them anyway. Better than the Beatles ? Definitely !!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 08:56 PM

"I never was and never will be a folkie. I am a person who loves all kinds of music. Folk just happens to be one of them."

If a folkie is someone who only likes music they can call folk music, I've never been one either. If a folkie is someone who passionately loves some kinds of traditional and traditional music, then I am one - and so is Mbo, I fear.

It's like the distinction between a patriot being someone who only loves their own country, and despises the rest of the world, and a patriot being someone who loves their own country and at the same time respects the rest of the world and wants other people to love wherever they come from.

Oasis sounded pretty good to me, the last time I listened to them. I'd like to hear some of the songs heard by other people with different styles, and I think that would help people listen to the Oasis versions with more understanding. (As when Christy Moore did his version of the Pogues "Fairytale of New York".)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 09:07 PM

Sometimes Oasis does it themselves, Kevin. For instance, their song "Fade Away" is a speed demon punk song, but with a message. For the Help! War Children of Sarajevo benefit album, they slowed the song down beautifully, turned it acoustic, added a woman's voice to their 2, turned the C#m's into Amaj7's and it becomes a thing of beauty. "The dreams we had as children fade away..."


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: death by whisky
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 09:47 PM

Any group/performer ,Oasis,Robbie Williams(especially the Slaine gig),that encourages young people to learn an instrument,usually a guitar,, is O.K.by me.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 10:01 PM

DBW, you mean the young people might think, "Wow, that music by Oasis or Robbie Williams sounds so simple and easy to play! A monkey could do it!"

---Lepus Rex

Ah, and I'm joking, Mbo, so don't get all pissed off again;)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 10:20 PM

No offence taked Lep! Well, for one thing Oasis tends to use certain chords a lot, so I think it teaches beginners new chords other than the usual basic things. Favorite "Oasis chords" are: Em7, Cadd9, Dsus2, Asus4, Bsus4, and not to mention various chords with added basslines and variations. Keeps you on yer toes!

They also use a lot of interest arpeggios that sound really cool, and when you learn them, it's tons of fun because YOU can play them now and they sound ever MORE cool!

--Matt


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: death by whisky
Date: 12 Aug 00 - 10:22 PM

Show me a mnokey that can play a three chord trick.

Status Quo have their place.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: bob jr
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 12:08 AM

boy this thread got alot of stupid comments added to it in a hurry for instance oasis better than the beatles? um that just dont work for lots of reasons ,first off without the beatles (remeber it was george harrisons movie soundtrack album that give these dingbats the title to their only hit over on this side of the pond "wonderwall") the beatles were of their time and place but their impact cant be measured by todays standards,i mean how many acts have held all 5 top positions in the billboard chart at once? (if you guessed noone else you would have been right).the beatles didnt become less popular when they retired from touring they became increasingly popular until they disbanded(at least in terms of album sales,their biggest selling single was 1968's hey jude). the beatles made the front page of the paper where ever they went (something you cant say about oasis the comparision is just so stupid i cant be bothered to continue with it i mean if you are dumb enough not to understand the huge cultural and musical impact of the beatles versus any other band you can name then you might as well keep your head up your ass) oh and mbo for much more interesting chord changes may i suggest the source ( the beatles) rather than the imitators (hey that oasis song sounds like choose whatever beatle song fill in the blank) for just one rather fine example the ending of the verse of "i'm so tired" a eaug5th f#minor dminor (listen to the gorgeous melody lennon layers over those chords!!! )


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 12:16 AM

Bob, I don't really care anymore. Get off my case and go complain to someone else who cares.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Naemanson
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 08:49 AM

Re: the last comments by bob j. - Good for you Mbo!

I got a couple of songs downloaded. Actually my daughter did it one evening. I asked her to do it as I was on my way out the door with my girlfriend. No raised eyebrows, just bland acceptance. What is this generation coming to if you can't surprise them?

Now I'm back and alone again, alas permanently as far as my (now ex-) girlfriend is concerned. If I work at it I can get together enough interest in the world to carry on so I will listen to those cuts now. The cuts are Wonderwall and Cigarettes and Alcohol.

It's not bad. Some of the imagery is beyond me but musically it isn't bad. I like Wonderwall better because the accompaniment is simple and quiet. I have a problem these days distinguishing individual sounds in loud music and I'm losing the singer's voice in the rest of the music in Cigarettes and Alcohol. Actually I couldn't distinguish most of his words but that is a problem I have with rock bands in general anyway.

I certainly wouldn't shut off the radio if they were on. The music is exciting and fun. At the beginning of Cigarettes and Alcohol there was an instance of someone in the band calling someone else a dickhead. Is that the kind of thing the others are calling abusive treatment of an audience? The crowd seemed to enjoy it though I would imagine the person receiving the abuse may not have. Crowds are delicate things and dangerous. A change of mood can sweep through a group of people and things can turn very ugly very fast. Still, it is up to each audience member, knowing how an Oasis performance can go, to determine whether or not (s)he wants to participate.

Do these guys show up on the radio much? I would guess they do but I don't listen to commercial stations much anymore. It has little to do with the music and more to do with my annoyance at the commercials exhorting me to BUY! BUY! BUY! They seem to think I'm pretty stupid but that is a whole different discussion.

Bottom line – I don't see what all the fuss is about. Why do the people who hate the band get so abusive about it? Are they auditioning to join the band as members of the Audience Abuse Squad? I'm sorry I can't tell you, Mbo, that I swoon with delight when I hear their music but at the same time I don't think they are bad. They're just another rock band and the singer is "Just a singer in a rock and roll band…" (Moody Blues). It takes a more discerning ear than mine to pick out the details that makes someone think they are great.

Thanks for the chance to hear your side Mbo. Now, if those who hate the band would like to give me details as to what is wrong with this band, in a quiet, contemplative style without the abuse and invective, I would appreciate it. There is no need to get abusive about this. We can discuss this like adults.

Who is next?


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 09:43 AM

Oh, you must have got some live performance I don't know about! Usually I'd stick with the album cuts. "Cigarettes & Alcohol" has one om favorite pump up choruses. Seems everyone hates Liam's voice, but I love it no matter what, and on this song (off the album Definately Maybe) his voice sounds the best, especially the crazy voice things he does that NO other band will do!

"You can spend a lifetiiime, to spend your days in the sooonshyyiiine--in the end it's a white, 'cause when it comes out on top--you gotta make it happen! You gotta make it happen! You gotta make it happen!"

Nothing like singing that before a big test, the "You gotta make it happen" is a mantra that works!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 10:46 AM

Naemanson,

I would appear that Oasis have calmed down a little in public life and I believe that Liam has given up taking cocaine which has possilby helped but there behavoiur has in no way confined to insulting their audiences. I am not claiming that Oasis are unique in this but here are a couple of examples from the Daily Telegraph. Is it any wonder some of us (even those like myself who's assesment of there music is similar to yours) take a dim view of the band?

Feb '98

AN airline is to ban the pop group Oasis unless it receives guarantees of "adult behaviour" after the group turned an eight-hour flight into what one passenger called "an obscenity-filled hell".

Liam and Noel Gallagher were accompanied by the other three band members and 25 of their road crew on the Cathay Pacific flight from Hong Kong to Perth on Monday night.

They were accused of abusing fellow business-class passengers and cabin crew, excessive drinking, swearing, smoking despite a strict no-smoking ban and refusing to wear seat belts.

The captain twice entered the cabin to remonstrate with band members and ask them to stop standing on the seats. He threatened to divert the aircraft and kick them off the plane unless they behaved, a Cathay Pacific spokesman said. The airline would refuse to carry the group again without a guarantee of "adult behaviour", he said.

One passenger said she hoped that other airlines would also ban the group. "The travelling public should not have to put up with their disgusting behaviour," she said.

Dec 97 LIAM Gallagher, singer with the band Oasis, poured several drinks over a journalist's head last night in a confrontation in a hotel foyer.

Gallagher left other drinkers stunned when he approached ITN's Tim Rogers at the Jury's Hotel in Cardiff and, after a brief conversation, tipped the drinks over him before storming off.

The press had gathered to cover a performance by Gary Glitter at the city's International Arena, the singer's first since he was at the centre of child porn allegations last month. Oasis are due to play the venue this evening.

Mr Rogers, ITN's Wales and West Country correspondent, who had been sitting drinking tea and soft drinks with a cameraman, declined to comment on the incident.

Shortly afterwards, Gallagher left the hotel with two minders in a black Mercedes with tinted windows. Gallagher had earlier been warned by police after allegedly hurling a book over the balcony of an airport bar.

Officers ejected him and fellow members of Oasis, who are on a British tour, from the bar at Glasgow Airport a few minutes before they boarded a flight for Cardiff.

Oct 97

THE BBC apologised yesterday for an obscenity-riddled Radio 1 interview with Noel and Liam Gallagher of Oasis and promised an investigation into how it came to be broadcast.

A BBC spokesman said it had not expected Liam Gallagher, who has an explosive temper and a reputation for bad language, to accompany his brother to the studio for a chat with the disc jockey Steve Lamacq.

During the show, which went out live at 8pm on Thursday, the singer unleashed a stream of four-lettered abuse, largely directed at surviving members of the Beatles and the Rolling Stones.

With an aggression that the show's production team should have expected, Gallagher threatened to "beat the f*****g living daylight s*** out of them".

His brother, the band's songwriter, went on to court further controversy by calling for drugs to be legalised.

A BBC spokesman said yesterday it would be "reviewing the situation".

Far from apologising yesterday, Liam Gallagher lost his temper again outside his home in north London. According to journalists, he threatened to hit them unless they left. Asked about the Radio 1 interview he said: "I don't give a ****."

Jon


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 10:54 AM

Those guys from Oasis are anemic and weak... Why doesn't someone just slap 'em around when they act like that? I bet they'd quit in a hurry. If i'd have been on that plane... Muahaha... ;)

---Lepus Rex


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Naemanson
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 11:12 AM

I prefer to think there behavior is a mix of the drugs, the fame, anger, and poor judgement. Drugs have been the cause of much misery down through the centuries and will continue to palgue us for more centuries to come. Use of drugs seems to be a symptom of unhappiness and fear. I can see how that would contribute to such behavior.

Fame is another contributor. Would I be wrong in guessing they started out fairly calm and things have gotten more and more out of control since the early days? Have audiences begun to expect them to act that way? If so are they serious or are they playing into the expectations? Are we seeing the self fulfilling prophecy?

I have already mentioned the anger evident in young people today. I would suggest that we were all angry in our youth. However, today's culture is less inhibiting. So today's young people get to show that anger much more clearly and openly. And bands like Oasis play into that anger and let their own anger show on stage and off. We are shocked at the behavior exhibited on that plane. Fans of the negative side of the band are thrilled and flock more readily to the concerts in hopes of seeing more.

Poor judgement is self explanatory.

The other question that comes up here is this: Should Mbo and the other Oasis fans boycott the band because of this behavior?

I don't think so. Such action would have no impact on the band and will not make those boycotting fans happy eaither. They can do much more good by enjoying the music and being vocal in their distaste for the actions of the band.

Please consider this. We have all met great performers whose personalities leave something to be desired. That does not change the quality of the performance. Oasis, oand other bands of their ilk, are merely an extreme example of this.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 11:25 AM

Neamanson, I am in agreement with everything that you have written but would like to ask this.

Should people like Mbo be surprised that a band with that reputation attracts negative feedback from others, give them the rights to assume that all this negative feedback is attributably to people bieng old folkies who are too set in thier ways to consider other, particularly newer forms of music and to react to criticism of a band as a personal insult and suggest that the rest of us should "shut the hell up"?

That has been my only gripe in this thread.

Jon


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Naemanson
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 11:44 AM

Actually, Jon, I am surprised at some of the vituperation I have seen in this thread. Some of the comments were quite clearly intended to needle and poke at the fans. Others were more reasoned and full of insight (as opposed to incite). But when we are fans of someone we rush to protect them and see all negativecomments as attacks.

I guess my answer is that Mbo and the others, should not be surprised at the negativity but they are going to leap to the defense whenever possible. Remember that Mbo made the point (I think it was in this thread) that he sees this music as being a part of his soul. With that attitude he has every right to get up tight when the music is attacked. But he shouldn't be surprised either.

And none of us have a right to be abusive in speaking about our distaste of anything. We are, after all, speaking in public here. If we were standing face to face in a group of people we would not call each other names and shout abuse (at least I'd like to think so). We would be able to have a calm rational discussion of the good and bad points of the topic at hand.

But that is a problem for a different thread and it is one that can only be solved by individuals taking the time to count to 10 before they dash off an angry opinion or abusive derision.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 12:11 PM

All fair comment Naemanson and I know that I for one still need to learn the skill of counting to 10. Having said that, I do worry about the degree of loyalty expressed by fans and the way they can get over excited and react because of it. This is not a music one and certainly there must have been other factors involved like the state of the attacker but I will never forget reading the report of someody getting thier jugular vein ripped out by a broken bottle (yes a murder) in a pub that I used occasionally for stating that he didn't like Manchester United. I guess that has coloured my opinions on blind devtion of fans and their reactins for life.

Jon


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 12:26 PM

If you want a good Oasis experiece without Oasis, check out the album The Royal Philaharmoic Orchestra Plays The Music of Oasis. Great orchestral arrangements of songs from their first two album. Noel own the album and loves it. I do too..."Supersonic" sounds it's best ever. For those who hate Oasis, this album is "I Can't Believe It's Oasis!"


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 12:32 PM

I said it before but if you want Oasis whithout Oasis, Mbo on Hearme is a pleasant alternative.

Jon


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: P05139
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 12:35 PM

I've got on word for everyone on this thread. This is it:-

CHILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 12:47 PM

"Doesn't matter if it's out of tune, 'cause yer all cool!"


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 12:59 PM

... and inspite of my dissagreement with Mbo's reaction in this thread, I would be honoured to have him stop with me if he ever got to Wales and I would take him down the Folk Club to play Oasis songs (and preferably Move and even better Pogues songs". I don't really see the need to chill on this one and I would hope that Mbo can at least see where I am coming from.

Jon

(a 39 yr old who does have friends younger than Mbo)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Naemanson
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 01:03 PM

One thing I have found is really cool is to hear good rock and roll played gently on acoustical instruments. I'm guessing that is what that album (The Royal Philaharmoic Orchestra Plays The Music of Oasis) proves. I've mentioned before my friends Mark and Marc who play old rock as a song circle (their own, they aren't horning in on a folk circle). It's really good and a lot of the people know the music so there is a lot of participation.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 01:34 PM

Hmmm, I don't know about gently, Brett! On the album they utilise the heck out of the brass section! Not to mention the orchestra is augmented with electric guitar, bass, and drum kit in addition to tympani! Woo! A Jon, you don't even want to hear the background stories I have about The Move!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 02:01 PM

You are likely to be right there Mbo - as I said before in this thread, it is my tolerence for the attitudes of bands (and some of their followers) that has decreased rather than (I think) my attidude towards the music they play but I still think my later view in life is the more correct one - perhaps you can persuade me otherwise.

Also, and I do not know the answer to this, were Move known for insulting their audience on stage?

Jon


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 02:12 PM

I don't know about any specific incidents, but at one time they were considered the most wild and unruly of performers when live. I quote from the liner notes from the album Shazam!: "...[They] adopt a wild stage act that was intended to rival The Who. They burned effigies on stage, smashed TV sets and set off fire alarms." No to mention Ace Kefford left the band because drummer Bev Bevan almost strangled him to death...


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 02:20 PM

OK Mbo, the questions now must be a) Do you consider such behaviour correct? b) do you understand why people may take a dim view of it? and c) do you think that a dislike of such traits makes people into old farts, unwilling to listen to new music?

Jon


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 02:48 PM

I plead the 5th!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Naemanson
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 02:51 PM

Mbo, try "gently" on some of those songs, especially the wilder ones, and see what you think. The nice thing about music is the ability to rearrange the pieces.

I believe the expression of strong emotions, like anger or heartbreak, is easy when you do it loudly and in-your-face. The mark of a truly great piece of music, and of the performer, is to express that same emotion quietly.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 02:59 PM

I guess you are talking about the US constitution here. If that is the case, please enlighten me and perhaps others that live eslwhere what the 5th was. I can only guess at the right to remain silent but I belive that there are others such as the right to free speach which could be appropiate - I'm not being funny here - I genuienly do not know what the 5th is.

Jon


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 03:00 PM

Well that's what I do anyway. The orchestral album just tries to stay true to the original music. But I do do gentle version, and like I said, Oasis is well known for doing gentle acoustic versions of their songs that let you look at them in a new light. Tonight is the usuual Sunday night HearMe...if you can make it, I'll show you what they went from "Fade Away" rocker to "Fade Away (Warchild Version)" dreamy bliss.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Branwen23
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 03:11 PM

Jon-

The fifth amendment to the U.S. constitution says:

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

Basically, "taking the Fifth" is refusing to answer on the premise that you answer may serve to incriminate you. It's used a lot in court.

-Branwen-


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Branwen23
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 03:14 PM

oops, fogot to "de-bold". sorry


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 03:20 PM

It was a joke! Really!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 03:34 PM

Thanks Branwen. As for you Mbo, you are a scum bag!!! ;-)

Jon


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 04:10 PM

And you are a cheapy lousy maggot! ;-)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Naemanson
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 05:01 PM

My, My, Children! Such words we use! For a while there we were having such a nice civilized conversation!

Brett (puttingonhisbeststraightlacedschoolmarmattitude)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Branwen23
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 05:04 PM

wow, 100 posts-worth of Oasis B.S.... the mind boggles.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 06:41 PM

Naemasn, just in case you are not familiar with the reference used by Mbo and myself from the Pogues song, Fairy Tale of New York, have a look/ listen. I was particularly fond of their earlier album, Rum, Soddomy and the Lash and I have a feeling that you may enjoy it.

Jon


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 06:45 PM

Actually, it's "cheap lousy faggot" in the song.Good substitution, though:)

---Lepus Rex


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Callie
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 07:42 PM

A few years ago when "Wonderwall" was big, a local crooner called Frank Bennett (NOT Tony Sinatra!!) did a swing version of the song. It was really popular. In fact when the national youth radion station took a poll and "Wonderwall" was voted song of the year, the station played the swing version instead of the Oasis version! Very funny! And it's going back some years now. I thought Oasis was old news!!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Naemanson
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 09:44 PM

How old is the band then?


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Mbo
Date: 13 Aug 00 - 10:15 PM

Oasis debuted in 1993, their first album Definately Maybe was released in 1994.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Brakn
Date: 14 Aug 00 - 04:44 AM

I'm surprised that there are still Oasis fans about. I don't know anyone who will now admit to liking them. They've being forgotten just like the Bay City Rollers, Take That and other pop groups. They were never a "modern" band. All old hat.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: Naemanson
Date: 14 Aug 00 - 07:01 AM

Oh, 6 years isn't old. I thought they might have been around a lot longer than that and my memory, never good, had just left them out of my totality.

Thanks, Matt, for playing last night. I know you didn't feel up to it but I really wanted to hear your take on Oasis and just typing words on a thread can't do that. I liked the piece you did (Fade Away) though my favorite version was the quieter one. Guess that's my old fogie-ness showing. My days of Led Zepplin and The Who are largely behind me.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: GUEST,The Yank
Date: 14 Aug 00 - 04:53 PM

Well, I'd never heard of this bunch & the thread got me intrigued so I looked 'em up & listened-

They stink.

And they apparently act like jackasses, as well.

And that's BRITNEY, boys- should be spelled like the spaniel, but isn't.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: catspaw49
Date: 14 Aug 00 - 06:10 PM

I dunno Yank.......I was only interested in the spears.

Spaw


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: P05139
Date: 14 Aug 00 - 06:16 PM

Sorry, Brakn, but as long as Robbie is around, Take That will never be forgotten. I know several people who are still Take That fans (I'm one of them) SO THERE!!!!!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Oasis - the group, not the mirage
From: GUEST,The Yank
Date: 14 Aug 00 - 08:26 PM

and quite a pair they are, too, Spaw.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate


 


This Thread Is Closed.


Mudcat time: 29 November 3:44 AM EST

[ Home ]

All original material is copyright © 1998 by the Mudcat Café Music Foundation, Inc. All photos, music, images, etc. are copyright © by their rightful owners. Every effort is taken to attribute appropriate copyright to images, content, music, etc. We are not a copyright resource.