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Subject: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 15 Aug 00 - 01:32 PM continued from here |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 15 Aug 00 - 01:35 PM if I have counted correctly, only 3270 tunes to match up with lyrics currently in the database! |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 16 Aug 00 - 10:31 AM 2220) MAGGIE LAUDER - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.CFM?threadID=12265#95440 2399) MRS. RAVOON -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.CFM?threadID=6769#40132 about 3268 to go. Please note: updated list of songs in DT without tunes available to anyone who would like. PM or E-mail me with your address |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 16 Aug 00 - 11:46 AM Tunes for the following (Copper Family) songs are at Mudcat Midis: THE HONEST LABOURER (described accidentally as "from the Penguin Book") MONTH OF MAY (The Pleasant Month of May) SHEPHERD OF THE DOWNS SWEET LEMENEY From a first look at the current "missing" list, I have the following and will send midis to Alan: ANAC CUAIN THE BELL RINGING BRISK YOUNG WIDOW COPSHAWHOLME FAIR THE CUCKOO'S NEST GENERAL TAYLOR GEORDIE'S PENKER GOOD LUCK TO THE BARLEY MOW THE GREEN FIELDS OF CANADA THE HEXHAMSHIRE LASS JENNY'S BAWBEE JIMMY RAEBURN LA BASTRINGUE LADDIE LIE NEAR ME (4) THE LITTLE GYPSY GIRL NUT BROWN MAIDEN SILE NI GHRADA (SHEILA NEE IYER) SOME SAY THE DE'IL'S DEID I've nearly finished the cross-references for the Penguin "John Barleycorn", which will include the tune specified in the DT for "JOHN BARLEYCORN: A BALLAD". Malcolm |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 16 Aug 00 - 03:53 PM may the diety (or not) of your choice bless you! 987) THE EDMUND FITZGERALD - midi sent 8/16 1410) GREY HAWK - mid sent 8/16 2245) MAMAS, DON'T LET YOUR BABIES GROW UP TO BE COWBOYS - midi sent 8/16 2280) MASOCHISM TANGO - midi sent 8/16 2397) MR. TAMBOURINE MAN - midi sent 8/16 2618) OLD MOLLY HARE (OLD MOTHER HARE)- midi sent 8/16 2621) OLD OAKEN BUCKET - sent midi 8/16 2642) ON THE GOOD SHIP ENTERPRISE - midi sent 8/16 3572) VATICAN RAG- midi sent 8/16 3635) WE WISH YOU A MERRY CHRISTMAS - midi sent 8/16 2491) NIGHT RIDER'S LAMENT (WHY DO YOU RIDE FOR YOUR MONEY?)-http://www.mudcat.org/thread.CFM?threadID=12953#104233 2972) ROCKING THE CRADLE -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.CFM?threadID=5801#33242 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 16 Aug 00 - 04:08 PM for those who may be tracking...that means 1576) HONEST LABOURER - midi sent by Malcolm Douglas 2370) MONTH OF MAY - midi sent by Malcolm Douglas 3122) SHEPHERD OF THE DOWNS - midi sent by Malcolm Douglas 3312) SWEET LEMENEY - midi sent by Malcolm Douglas Tally currently stands at 3252 to go (not counting Malcolm's that he has not yet sent; OR THE ONES MBO PROMISED) |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Sorcha Date: 16 Aug 00 - 07:46 PM 180)BAD GIRLS LAMENT, found in DT at [LAREDST 215)BALLAD OF THE TEA PARTY 262)BARSTED KING OF ENGLAND 325)BETTY AND DUPREE 334)BILE THEM CABBAGE DOWN posted to tune thread, 8/16/00 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 17 Aug 00 - 04:34 PM 3327) TAH RAH RAH BOOM DI AY - midi sent 8/19 3532) TWAS THE NIGHT ETC.- midi sent 9/19 also goes to Irish Washerwomen 3555) THE UNFORTUNATE RAKE - MIDI SENT 8/19 3766) WILL YOU GO BOOM TODAY? - midi sent 8/19 984) EDELWEISS - midi sent 8/19 three thousand, two hundred and forty-two |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Sorcha Date: 17 Aug 00 - 05:40 PM 685)COLUMBUS STOCKADE BLUES 723)COPLAS 755)CRIPPLE CREEK 775)CUMBERLAND GAP 777)CUTY WREN, found in DT at [CUTYWREN tunefile :GREEBUSH ABC's posted |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Sorcha Date: 17 Aug 00 - 06:18 PM 800)DARBY RAM5 is at [FRMRDELL 1023)ERIE CANAL is at tune file :BUFFROY 1927)KATY CRUEL is [KATYCRU2 and tune is at [LEABOYSL 2636)OMIE WISE2 is at [OMIEWISE 2728)PAY ME MY MONEY is at [PAYMONEY (Pay me THE Money) 3063)SAM BASS is at [SAMBASS 3462)TO ANACREON IN HEAVEN is "Star Spangled Banner", did it get posted yet? and it looks to me like 3736)WHISKEY YOU'RE THE DIVIL is [KILGARMT, aka "Gilgary Mtn", "Whiskey in the Jar","Darlin' Sportin'Jenny" etc.
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Sorcha Date: 17 Aug 00 - 07:32 PM 1997)LADY ISABEL AND THE ELF KNIGHT 3335)TAKE YOUR FINGERS OFF IT 3704)WHEN I FIRST CAME TO THIS LAND 3832)WRECK OF THE JOHN B abc's posted |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 17 Aug 00 - 10:43 PM 833) DEEP RIVER - midi sent to Alan 8/16 and 8/17 3686) WHAT WAS YOUR NAME IN THE STATES - midi sent to Alan 8/17 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 17 Aug 00 - 10:45 PM sssorcha - the tunes I know for Whiskey you're the devil and Whiskey in the Jar are not anything alike. Can it really be sung to that? |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: GUEST,Sorcha, at the CopShop Date: 17 Aug 00 - 10:47 PM Well, the words sure scan to my melody for Gilgary Mtn. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Jeri Date: 17 Aug 00 - 11:04 PM Whiskey You're the Devil is very similar to Tooralooraloora (An Irish Lullabye) - speeded up of course. That tune also isn't in the DT. MMario, could you e-mail me the list. I should be helping on this. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Sorcha Date: 18 Aug 00 - 01:17 AM 1839)JAOY GOULDS DAUGHTER [JGOULD1, which also takes care of 2341)MILWAUKEE BLUES [MILWAUKE And that is all I have right now, until I get Palace of the Czar/Shootin with Rasputin figured out......back to the list. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 18 Aug 00 - 10:12 AM list sent to jeri; judgement reserved on the one song (I marked the tunefile, but didn't remove it from the list) count now stands at approximately 3-2-2-3. How symetrical! |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 18 Aug 00 - 05:06 PM 1867) JOHN BARLEYCORN (2)- midi sent by Malcolm 8/18 1868) JOHN BARLEYCORN: A BALLAD- posted by Malcom to thread 19412 8/18 2032) LASSIE GATHERING NUTS - midi sent 8/18 7) A-GATHERING NUTS- midi sent 8/18 143) ASLEEP AT THE SWITCH - midi sent 8/18 1626) I AM STRETCHED ON YOUR GRAVE- see alan's midi page as ta/im si/nte ar do thuama 1627) I AM STRETCHED ON YOUR GRAVE (2)-see alan's midi page as ta/im si/nte ar do thuama 3x10^3+2x10^2+1.7x10 tunes to go=3217 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 18 Aug 00 - 11:44 PM 446) BORN FREE - midi sent 8/18 1439) HALLS OF MONTEZUMA (MARINES' HYMN) - midi sent 8/18 3536) TWELVE GATES TO THE CITY - midi sent 8/18 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Sorcha Date: 19 Aug 00 - 12:20 AM 2709)PALACE OF THE CZAR/SHOOTIN WITH RASPUTIN, midi sent to Alan by Joe O from abc by Sorcha, (was a booger!) |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 19 Aug 00 - 10:35 AM Sent to Alan so far: JBARLEY2, John Barleycorn (2). DT text is unattributed; this version of the tune is from Kennedy's "Folksongs of Britain & Ireland", and was collected by Bob Copper from John Attrill of Fittleworth in Sussex, in 1954. BISTRING, "La Bastringue". The "a" part of the dance tune, to which words are sung. Also a separate midi of the whole dance tune. HEXHMLAS, "The Hexhamshire Lass". Two midis; the tune as sung nowadays, and the tune as first published in "Northumbrian Minstrelsy" (Bruce & Stokoe, 1882) BELLRING, "The Bell-Ringing". Tune and text were collected by Sabine Baring Gould from William George Kerswell of Two Bridges, Dartmoor, and published in "Songs of the West" (1889-91). BRSKWIDW, "Brisk Young Widow". Tune and text were collected by Cecil Sharp from George Radford at Bridgwater Union, Somerset, in 1905. COPSHAW, "Copshawholme Fair". Tune from "Northumbrian Minstrelsy" (Bruce & Stokoe, 1882). GENTAYLR, "General Taylor". I've adapted the tune given in A.L. Lloyd's "Folk Song in England" (collected by Cecil Sharp from the shantyman John Short) to bring it closer to the version of the tune most usually sung nowadays, and to fit it to the text in DT (Lou Killen's version, which I've never heard). In order to fit in some of the triplets, I had to double the note values and set the midi to play at double speed, but it will sound as it's supposed to, though anybody printing it out may be confused! JIMRAEBN, "Jimmy Raeburn". Tune and text from Willie Scott ("The Border Shepherd") of Hawick. The tune was notated in Ailie Munro's "The Folk Music Revival in Scotland" (1984). All midis have lyrics embedded where appropriate. More to follow as I get them sorted out. Since so many people have posted lyrics without giving any indication where they got them, it's obviously a hell of a job trying to match the right tune; I expect that a lot will end up with completely different tunes from other versions, but it's a start! For example, none of my versions of "The Barley Mow" match the text on the DT: it's the version most commonly found on the Web, though, so presumably somebody well-known recorded it. I'll have to make that one from scratch. A question: did somebody really sing "The King of the Faeries" to the set-dance tune "King of the Fairies"? They'd have needed a large shoe-horn. The text in the DT is described as "Irish Traditional", but it's really an extract from the well-known poem by Allingham, "The Fairies"... Malcolm |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: GUEST,giduly@juno.com Date: 19 Aug 00 - 11:30 AM I would dearly love to be reminded of the tune to "Unicorns" (Green Alligators) which is in your data base - Is there someone on this list that knows it and can get it to me? Thanks! Wendy |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Snuffy Date: 19 Aug 00 - 03:44 PM Sorcha - there should be a letter T in the tunefile name: 1023)ERIE CANAL is at tune file [BUFFTROY Also I've posted a version of Whiskey You're the Divil as sung by Clancys/Makem on the Add ABCs thread. Wassail! V |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 19 Aug 00 - 10:05 PM 544) CAGARAN GAOLACH - working on matching words in DT with tune 8/19 622) CHILDREN, GO WHERE I SEND THEE - midi and words sent to Joe (to match words and tune) 8/19 702) COME TO THY LATTICE LOVE - midi sent to Joe because should be "Open Thy Lattice Love" 8/19 881) DO YOU HEAR WHAT I HEAR - midi and correct words sent to Joe 8/19 2069) LET THE LOWER LIGHTS BE BURNING - midi sent to Alan 8/19 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 20 Aug 00 - 04:06 PM More stuff: On further investigation, it turns out that THE CUCKOO'S NEST (filename[ CUCKNEST -the John Shiels re-write, recorded by Frank Harte) is one that I do not have, so I'm afraid that it will have to go back on the "Wanted" list. THE GREEN FIELDS OF CANADA filename[ GRNCANAD -This text was transcribed from a recording by Planxty; the tune given with THE GREEN FIELDS OF AMERICA (3) filename[ GRNFLDA3 and ascribed to Paddy Tunney, though rather different from the version he published in his book The Stone Fiddle, is so close to that used by Planxty (presumably they learnt it from his recording) that it may as well do duty for both: GRNFLDA3.mid LADDIE LIE NEAR ME (4) filename[ LADLINR4 -This would have the same tune as LADDIE LIE NEAR ME and LADDIE LIE NEAR ME (2) -it's already given with those 2 files, as LADLINER.mid SILE NI GHRADA (SHEILA NEE IYER) filename[ SHIELANE -Paddy Tunney's version, presumably, as printed in The Stone Fiddle. Midi sent to Alan. THE LITTLE GYPSY GIRL -learnt from Kennedy's Folksongs of Britain & Ireland, where it is given as The Little Gipsy Girl, recorded by Peter Kennedy from Loise Holmes of Dinedor, Herefordshire, in 1952. Midi of the tune as given in Kennedy sent to Alan. GEORDIE'S PENKER filename[ GORDPENK -This is the well-known tune also used for children's games like "In and Out the Windows". Midi sent to Alan. I seem inadvertently to have sent Alan the wrong (unmodified) "General Taylor" midi, but have now sent the correct one. Malcolm |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Sorcha Date: 20 Aug 00 - 06:21 PM Dammit--put those in the wrong thread, I'm going to re post them in the Tune thread, and ask the Elves to delete the above as it is taking up too much room besides being in the wrong place. Here is what I posted: 32)Ain't it a Shame 99)Angel Band 134)As I Roved Out, in DT as Tarry Trousers3 150)Au Claire De La Lune |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Snuffy Date: 20 Aug 00 - 06:44 PM 466 BOYS OF KILKENNY - separate tunes for first/all subsequent verses posted anonymously (Bruce O?) 13-Jul-99 in thread 12197 TUNE ADD/LYRICS REQ:Meeting of The Waters. 607 CHARMING BEAUTY BRIGHT (2) - see Charming Beauty Bright - tunefile[ CHRMBRT 664 COAL SHIP SONG - see A Life in a Prairie Shack - tunefile[ PRAIRSHK - tune is A life on the Ocean Wave 810 THE DAWNING OF THE DAY (2) - ABC posted to thread 23672 822 DEATH OF HARRY BRADFORD - see The Jam on Gerry's Rocks - tune file[JAMGERRY. The DT database states THE DEATH OF HARRY BRADFORD" is frankly in imitation of the tale of the death of Jack Monroe in "The Jam on Gerry's Rocks". The tune is the same as the most common "Jack Monroe" tune. 829 DECK US ALL - see deck The Halls - tunefile[ DECKHALL 971 DYING HOBO - see A Soldier From Missouri - tunefile[ SOLDMISS 2124 THE LITTLE STREAM OF WHISKEY (DYIN' HOBO) - see A Soldier From Missouri - tunefile[ SOLDMISS Wassail! V |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Sorcha Date: 20 Aug 00 - 06:57 PM (Dick G is gonna have a heart attack! how long do you suppose it will take him to catch up?:) ) I have a question for Dick, Joe, Mario, whom ever--will these tunes be added to the DT as a Clicky, or all put on Alan's MIDI page? Seems to me that they would be easier to find if Dick et al could manage to make clickies with them. LOTS of requesters don't even realize the MIDI page is there and I thought it was KindOf/Mostly for tunes composed by MudCatters. Just a ? and a thought bubble.......Ms. BooBoo. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 20 Aug 00 - 07:46 PM sorcha - someone can correct me if I am wrong, but Alan's midi page is also for people to post tunes for songs posted in the forum, yet have them accessible, rather then e-mailing them to dick or someone. I would assume that any tunes that Dick manages to collate into the DT will have a clicky on the lyric page as current tunes do. And I have been keeping track of locations, etc - so any he DOESN'T get into the next version of the DT aren't "lost", just delayed. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 20 Aug 00 - 09:17 PM 1044) EXODUS - midi sent to Alan 8/20 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 21 Aug 00 - 11:48 AM I think we are down to about 3175 left to go.... |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 21 Aug 00 - 04:18 PM GOOD LUCK TO THE BARLEY MOW filename[ BARLEYMO Well, I don't know who the "Liverpool Judies" might have been, but I've made a midi of the best-known version of the tune for this song, which will have to serve. It has now gone to Alan.
THE DEVIL AND THE BAILIFF filename[ DVLBAIL This song is sung to a modified version of the slip-jig of the same name; midi sent to Alan.
GREY BEARD NEWLY SHAVEN filename[ OLDSHOE3 The text on the DT is an extract from the song as sung by Jeannie Robertson; I've given the full lyrics in this thread: Penguin: The Old Man From Lee. A midi, made from the transcription of Jeannies's singing in Kennedy, has gone to Alan.
THE MAID I AM filename[ OLDSHOE2 This is an exact duplicate of the above, and really ought to be deleted! |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Snuffy Date: 21 Aug 00 - 08:15 PM 1015 ENGINEER'S SONG - see 212 THE BALLAD OF THE BOBBIT HILLBILLIES/326 THE BEVERLY HILLS PROGRAMMER - midi sent 07/31 1043 EXILE'S LAMENT (Australian) - MIDITEXT posted in this thread by Bob Bolton Lyriscs/Tune? Exile's Lament Date: 29-Jun-00 - 06:09 AM Wassail! V |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Sorcha Date: 22 Aug 00 - 12:36 AM 312)BEN BOLT, abc posted 369)BLIND FIDDLER [BLINDFI2 has tune at [BLINDFID 382)BLUE HAIRS DRIVIN, midi site posted on tune thread for Mario to go get, also clears BLUE EYES CRYIN IN THE RAIN, which is not on the List, but has no tune clickie 383)BLUE HAWAII, at same site above, with Blue Eyes Cryin 521)BUFFALO SKINNERS ABC posted |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: John in Brisbane Date: 22 Aug 00 - 01:55 AM Sorcha, Alan created Mudcat MIDIs for a couple of reasons, (1) only a small number of people were prepared to tackle the software to convert MIDI files to text so that they could be posted, and as a corollary (2)it provides an access point for tunes before they get posted to the DT database. I am now much more aware of how much effort is involved in getting lyrics and tune properly synchronised. I find it really hard to do without the original score as unfortunately MIDIs don't retain any info on slurs. This is definitely Dick's bailey-wick but I would suggest that the current backlog of files in Mudcat MIDIs will be there for some time. Regards, John |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 22 Aug 00 - 09:43 AM 3662) WEE, WEE GERMAN LAIRDIE - midi sent 8/21 3623) WE ARE ANCHORED BY THE ROADSIDE, JIM - see Auld Lang Syne 379) BLUE EYES - see blue eyes crying in the rain (midi sent 7/31?) 3165 left Note - updated "No tune" list available by e-mail
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 22 Aug 00 - 04:20 PM 3500) Travelling Down the Castlereagh - midi sent 8/22 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 22 Aug 00 - 04:24 PM 3500) Travelling Down the Castlereagh - midi sent 8/22 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Snuffy Date: 22 Aug 00 - 05:32 PM 1103 FARNESOL - see Jingle Bells - tunefile [JNGLBLL 1157 FIVE CONSTIPATED MEN - see Quartermaster Corps - tunefile [QMCORP 1164 FLING IT HERE, FLING IT THERE - see Villikins & His Dinah - tunefile [VILDINAH 1172 FLOWERS OF PEACE - see Wild Mountain Thyme - tunefile [WILDMTHY 1204 FORT DIX STOCKADE - see 685) COLUMBUS STOCKADE BLUES - ABC posted to thread 23672 1217 THE FOX (2) - see The Fox - tunefile [FOXOUT Wassail! V |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Snuffy Date: 22 Aug 00 - 07:57 PM 1289 GET UP, JACK! JOHN, SIT DOWN! -see GET UP, JACK! JOHN, SIT DOWNwn - tunefile [JACKJOHN 1293 GHOST OF BRAS D'OR - see THE GHOST OF BRAS D'OR - tunefile [BRASDOR 1295 GHOSTLY CREW (II) - see GHOSTLY CREW - tunefile [GHOSCREW 1305 THE GIRL IN THE DILGER CASE - see Streets of Laredo - tunefile [LAREDST. DT notes state "Dr Wilgus has set the text to a conventional tune for ballads in the 'Rake' cycle" 1335 GOD THE WHAT? - see O Little Town of Bethlehem - tunefile [LTTLTOWN 1400 GREEN PEAS, MUTTON PIES - see Greensleeves - tunefile [GRNSLVS 1415 GRUEL - see The Lincolnshire Poacher - tunefile [LINCPOCH 1420 GUNBOAT SAILORS - see Whiffenpoof Song - tunefile [WIFFPOOF Wassail! V |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 23 Aug 00 - 09:18 AM 1102) THE FARMER'S BOY - posted by snuffy to thread 23672 8/22 1105) FATHER MURPHY - posted by snuffy to thread 23672 8/22 1106) FATHER O'FLYNN - posted by snuffy to thread 23672 8/22
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 23 Aug 00 - 09:38 AM 379 - back on the "no tune" list - I read Sorcha's posting wrong. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 23 Aug 00 - 12:52 PM 3120) SHEATH AND KNIFE 2 - appears to be tunefile [SHEATHKN - at least it works 3121) SHEATH AND KNIFE 3 - see SHEATH AND KNIFE tunefile [SHEATHKN appears to work |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 23 Aug 00 - 03:56 PM 3236) SOUND THE PIBROCH - midi sent 8/23 3300) SUTTER'S MILL - mid sent 8/23 3196) SODDEN CLODS ARE COMIN TO TOWN - midi sent 8/23 3222) THE SONG OF ALL SONGS - midi sent 8/23 3293) SUNDAY SCHOOL - http://www.mudcat.org/thread.CFM?threadID=13576#112587 806) DARKIES' SUNDAY SCHOOL -http://www.mudcat.org/thread.CFM?threadID=13576#112587
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Sorcha Date: 23 Aug 00 - 05:35 PM 574)CANNONBALL BLUES abc posted 652)CLEMENTINE2 has tune at tunefile :CLEMTI 691)COME AND GO WITH ME abc posted |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Jeri Date: 23 Aug 00 - 05:47 PM Just one question - which format (MIDI, MIDIText, or ABC) is easier to get into the DB? |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Sorcha Date: 23 Aug 00 - 07:35 PM 379)BLUE EYES tune is at [GRTSPCK2 848)DETROIT CITY, abc posted 965)DUPREE might be BETTY AND DUPREE, which I already posted 1179)FOGGY MOUNTAIN TOP, abc posted 1229)FREIGHT TRAIN, abc posted 1230)FREIHEIT new thread started with tune and translated lyrics. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 23 Aug 00 - 09:50 PM Jeri - I think Dick has said he doesn't care. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Snuffy Date: 23 Aug 00 - 10:23 PM 1325 GLORIOUS ICE - see The Hippopotamus Song (tunefile [GLORIMUD) 1427 HABEN A BOO AND A BANNER - see Botany Bay 2 (tunefile [BOTBAY2) or Dick Darby The Cobbler (tunefile [DICKDARB) or 1050 Fagan the Cobbler (Alan's Midi Pages) 1460 THE HARP WITHOUT A CROWN - see The Bonny Blue Flag (tunefile [BONBLUE) 1499 HELP! - I reproduce the "Song" below. If anyone can find a tune to this, they deserve a medal! - and a tiple! - and a snog! This is a general compilation of what folks are looking for that we haven't been able to find yet. If anyone can provide any information about any of these items, PLEASE send them in! 1538 HIGHLANDS OF HEAVEN - see Wild Mountain Thyme (tunefile [WILDMTHY) 1556 HIROSHIMA - see Great Silkie (tunefile [SILKIE1) 1567 HOME FIRTH ANTHEM - this appears to be a (mis-spelled) duplication of Holmfirth Anthem (tunefile [HOLMFRTH - no words appear in the Songwright tune) 1579 HOO CAN I KEEP MY MAIDENHEID see How Can I Keep My Maidenhead (tunefile [HOWKEEP) 1602 THE HUMORS OF WHISKEY - see The Humours of Whiskey (tunefile [HUMWHISK) (US and UK spellings) 1617 HYMN - any tune in Common Meter (8,6,8,6) will fit - and there are hundreds. Among the better-known are Crimond (The Lord's My Shepherd), Winchester Old (While Shepherds Watched), and St Anne (O God Our Help In Ages Past). Wassail! V |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 24 Aug 00 - 09:36 AM snuffy you are a gem! 1029 ESSIQUIBO RIVER - midi sent by jeri 8/23 1444) HANGIN' JOHNNY - mid sent by jeri 8/23 3120 to go by latest (probably inaccurate) count |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Sorcha Date: 24 Aug 00 - 10:26 AM Well, we could send Sue West over to the Child Ballad Page at Lesley "The Contemplator" Nelsons site. Or, she could call my friend Judith on the land line. Judith has the complete set of Child (5 vols)and they could discuss copying fees......... |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 24 Aug 00 - 10:48 AM actually the complete text is online - if you search for it. someone did one heck of a typing job! |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 24 Aug 00 - 11:11 AM the "no tune in DT" list updated as of this morning (24/8/00) is available by e-mail or pm |
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Subject: ITS NEVER TOO LATE TO START LIVING From: GUEST, JEFF AT PAINTER123@HOTMAIL.COM Date: 24 Aug 00 - 12:01 PM ANYBODY HEARD OF THE ABOVE NAMED SONG I HEARD SUNG AT A PARTY ONE TIME WORDS AND MUSIC NEEDED . JEFF SWINDLE |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 24 Aug 00 - 12:29 PM e-mailed jeff |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Snuffy Date: 24 Aug 00 - 02:25 PM 1619 I AIN'T GONNA DO IT ANYMORE - see Make Me a Pallet On Your Floor [PALLTFLR 1202 FORLORN LOVER 1634 I COURTED A WEE GIRL 1656 I LOVED A LAD all three of these will fit any of the four False Bride tunes in the DT. Dancing at Whitsun [FLSEBRD21662 I ONCE WAS A CARMAN IN THE BIG MOUNTAIN CON - see Streets of Laredo [LAREDST 1757 IMPOSSIBLE CODE - see 1758 Impossible Dream, midi 25 July 1770 IN THE HALLS - see Quartermaster Corps [QMCORPS 1816 Irving the Rover - see Spencer the Rover [SPENCROV 1817 It Ain't Gonna Rain - see It Ain't Gonna Rain No More [AINTRAIN
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Snuffy Date: 24 Aug 00 - 08:19 PM 1824 JACK TAR (2) - see Jack Tar [JACKTAR1 1825 JACKARO - see Jackaroe [JACKROE 1834 JAMIE FOYERS - see Jamie Foyer [JAMEFOYR 1835 JAMIE FOYERS (2) - see Jamie Foyer [JAMEFOYR 1870 JOHN BOLYN- see Tom Bolyn [TOMBOLYN, and Tom Bolynn (2) [TOMBOLY2 [TOMBOLY2.2 1898 JOSEPH MICA - see 1839 Jay Gould's Daughter - ABC posted on thread 23672 by Sorcha 18-Aug-00 - 01:11 AM 1925 KATIE MORGAN - see Peggy Gordon [PEGGORDN 1962 KING'S NAVY - see 1389 Great Green Gobs - ABC posted on thread 23672 by Snuffy 10-Aug-00 - 06:01 PM 1979 KOREA - see 1720 I'm Looking Over My Dead Dog, Rover - ABC posted on thread 23672 by Snuffy 05-Aug-00 - 07:17 PM Wassail! V |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: John in Brisbane Date: 25 Aug 00 - 09:12 AM I'm back working on a number of songs which are in various stages of readiness. MMario can you please let me know if any of these have already been submitted.
Poor Lazarus Pardon me if the titles are a bit vague.
Regards, John
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Jeri Date: 25 Aug 00 - 12:47 PM No number - WHERE THERE'S REST FOR HORSE AND MAN or HOME LADS HOME - sent 8/25 2505 - NO MORE FISH, NO FISHERMEN - sent 8/25 --(Another MIDI by Joe Offer is here. It has harmonies.) 175 - BABYLON IS FALLEN (2) - sent 8/25 2311 - MEN of WORTH - sent 8/25 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Jeri Date: 25 Aug 00 - 12:56 PM The only tune I've ever heard for JAMIE FOYERS (2) is FLSEBRD2 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Sorcha Date: 25 Aug 00 - 02:05 PM John, I posted abc for Coplas in the Post Tunes Here thread, the others I don't know about. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 25 Aug 00 - 04:52 PM coplas and crawdad had been found. "found tune" file is available as is a daily updated "no-tune" file that has the found tunes removed. 3438) THREE LITTLE FISHES - sent 8/24 3188) SMOKEY THE BEAR - midi sent 8/24 3111) SHANAGOLDEN - midi sent 8/25 three thousand and ninety four to go (?) |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Sorcha Date: 25 Aug 00 - 05:51 PM 769)IN THE GOOD OLD SUMMERTIME abc posted 1827)JACOB'S LADDER [JACOBLAD tune is at [JACOBLDR 1875)JOHN HENRY2 abc posted 2003)LADY MARGARET 2 abc posted 2275)MARY HAMILTON (2) has tune at [MARYHAM1 tune file:MARYS4 but there is apparently a mistake in the file some where, as I could not get it to play --"No combination of filters to render stream" I have the tune from Baez and can post it if the MIDI is not fixable. 2433)MY LOVE IS A RIDER [could not get to file, but identical words (to mine in Silverman) with tune at [BUCKBRNC Hey, Mario, who is buying the beer when we get under 3,000? or, do we have to find 1,000 before we get beer? Snuffy is first in line, one in each hand!! |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 25 Aug 00 - 09:34 PM bert, of course! *grin* all we can drink at the Tavern. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Snuffy Date: 26 Aug 00 - 05:10 AM 1571 THE HOMES OF DONEGAL - see Tramps and Hawkers [PADWEST 1995 LADY DYSIE 2 - see Lady Diamond [LADYDIAM 2037 LAST NIGHT I HAD A HAPPY DREAM - see Last Night I Had The Strangest Dream [LASTNITE 2060 LEO McGUIRE'S SONG - see The Finest Fucking Family [ROADISLE 2075 LET'S GO TO THE WOODS- see Green Bushes [GREEBUSH 2096 LINEMAN'S HYMN, THE - see Streets of Laredo [LAREDST 2105 LITTLE BLOSSOM (2) - see Little Blossom [LTLBLSSM 2115 LITTLE OVER ONE WITH T'OTHER, A - see Cold and Raw (The Farmer's Daughter) [COLDRAW 2197 LOWLANDS OF HOLLAND 4 - see The Lowlands of Holland [LOWHOLLD [LOWHOLLD.2 [LOWHOLLD.3 [LOWHOLLD.4, Lowlands of Holland (10) [LOWHOL10, Lowlands of Holland (3) [LOWHOL3, Lowlands of Holland (6) [LOWHOL6 2198 LOWLANDS OF HOLLAND 5 - as above 2199 LOWLANDS OF MISSOURI - as above 2209 LYDIA, THE TATTOOED LADY - MIDITEXT posted on thread 6925 by John in Brisbane 03-Nov-98 - 07:07 PM 2210 LYKE WAKE DIRGE - at Mudcat Midis (from Barbara, Feb '00) Wassail! V |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Sorcha Date: 26 Aug 00 - 10:01 AM 2424)MY HOME'S ACROSS THE SMOKEY MOUNTAINS, abc posted 2591)OLD DOG TRAY, abc posted 2650)ONCE I HAD A SWEETHEART, [GRENGRO3 has tune at [GREENGRO 2664)ONE MORE RIVER, abc posted
SOMEBODY check and see if 2711)PAPER OF PINS2 [PAPERPI2 is the same as [PAPERPIN which has a tune, I can't tell...
2727)PAY DAY AT COAL CREEK, abc posted |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Jeri Date: 26 Aug 00 - 01:11 PM Sorcha - yer causin' trouble, woman! :-) I found the song in a little booklet, but it's a different version. The words are somewhat similar to the song in the DT that has the tune, but the tune for this is a very neato minor one. Now I'm going to have to type in the words... |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Sorcha Date: 26 Aug 00 - 01:59 PM (found several like that mesel', Jeri) :>) I'm putting them off until last, hoping somebody else will do it..... |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Snuffy Date: 26 Aug 00 - 05:57 PM 2219 MAGGIE - see When You and I were Young, Maggie [YOUNGMAG. This one is actually not "Maggie" but "Nora" with the name changed. 2328 MIDNIGHT MURDER OF THE MEEKS FAMILY - see 1570 HOME SWEET HOME, midis posted 31-Jul-00 2484 NEW YORK GIRLS (2) - see New York Girls [NYGIRLS 2489 THE NIGHT PAT MURPHY DIED - see The Night That Paddy Murphy Died [PADMURPH 2518 NOTWORK SOUTHEAST - DT says tune not supplied but Lincolnshire Poacher works fine. RG" [LINCPOCH 2536 O'DONOVAN ROSSA'S FAREWELL TO DUBLIN - see The Boys of Wexford [BOYSWEXF 2554 OH DEATH (2) see Oh Death [OHDEATH 2568 OH, MY ROLLING RIVER- see Shenandoah [SHENDOAH 2594 THE OLD FAMILY TOOTHBRUSH - see 2621 OLD OAKEN BUCKET - midi posted 16-Aug-00 Wassail! V |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Snuffy Date: 27 Aug 00 - 08:11 AM 893 DOLLAR ALARM CLOCK - see 2621 OLD OAKEN BUCKET - midi posted 16-Aug-00 Wassail! V
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Snuffy Date: 27 Aug 00 - 10:27 AM Sorcha 2711 PAPER OF PINS (2) - I don't know the version in the DT, but we used to sing a rugby song that appears to be a parody of it. The first verse goes: If I give you half-a-crown, Will you take your knickers down? Will you marry, Marry, marry, marry, Will you marry me? X: 92 T:Paper of Pins (2) M:4/4 L:1/8 K:G d2| B2d2 G2B2|B2A2 A3A|A2c2 FFA2|A2G2 G4| B2d2 G2B2|AAcc F2A2|F2D2 B2A2|G6|| Wassail! V |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 27 Aug 00 - 11:49 AM I'm sending the following tunes to Alan today...need to hurry before Sorcha and Snuffy get all the easy ones.
2533) O SACRED HEAD NOW WOUNDED |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 27 Aug 00 - 11:52 AM ...oops....Sorcha beat me to Old Dog Tray! But since I'm from Bardstown and have the Stephen Foster sheet music, I'll send a midi. Mary |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Snuffy Date: 27 Aug 00 - 03:09 PM 2725 PATSY OREE AY - see Paddy Works on the Railway (1) [PADRAIL1 2825 PRICE OF MY PIG - goes well to Nell Flaherty's Drake [NELLFLAH 2849 PUDDY AND MOUSE 2 - seems to be a repeat of 2850 PUDDY AND MOUSE 3 without the song. 2850 PUDDY AND MOUSE 3 - see The Puddy And The Mouse [PUDDYWEL 2881 RAIL CUTTERS - see Your Cold, Cold Heart [COLDHART 2886 THE RAKES OF STONY BATTER [BOB AND JOAN], - see Cam' Ye O'er Frae France [CAMFRANC 2891 THE RANGER FIGHT SONG - see Scotland The Brave [SCOTBRAV 2892 THE RANGER SONG (2) - see Scotland The Brave [SCOTBRAV 2914 REEL O` STUMPIE - see 1446 HAP AND ROWE - ABC posted on thread 23672 by Snuffy 23-Aug-00 - 10:19 PM 2926 A RIDDLE - see The Riddle [THERIDDL 2950 THE ROAST BEEF OF OLD ENGLAND - see Hard Times Of Old England [HARDTMENG 2954 ROBIN HE MARRIED A WIFE - see Wee Cooper of Fife [COOPFIFE 2978 RODDY McCORLEY (Gaelic) - see Roddy McCorley [RMCORLEY 2981 ROLL ON COLUMBIA - see 1359 GOOD NIGHT IRENE - ABC posted on thread 23672 by Snuffy 29-Jul-00 - 03:03 PM 2986 ROLLING HOME 2 - see Rolling Home 3 [ROLLHOM3 (or Kevin Barry [KEVBARRY) 2987 ROLLING HOME TO OLD NEW ENGLAND - see Rolling Home 3 [ROLLHOM3 2993 ROOT, ABE, OR DIE - see Root Hog Or Die [SONGAMB, Root Hog Or Die (Southern) [ROOTHOG 2994 ROOT, HOG, OR DIE - see Root Hog Or Die [SONGAMB, Root Hog Or Die (Southern) [ROOTHOG 3016 ROUND HITLER'S GRAVE - see Old Joe Clark [JOECLARK 3025 ROY BEAN - DT says sings to versae of Tramp, Tramp, Tramp [TRMPTRMP
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: John in Brisbane Date: 28 Aug 00 - 08:39 AM Thanks MMario for letting me know about some redudant tunes I had notated. Not a worry as long as the gaps are closed. I have today posted the following Midis to Alan:
Captain Bover (I actually need some help here because I can't remeber the name of the song in DT).
Dust Pneumonia Blues (From Sing Out)
Fair Janet (Oxford Book of Ballads)
Hottentot Maid (not sure of the title in the DT)
Johnny Blunt (oxford Book of Ballads)
Lochmabe Harper (Can't recall the source - Oxford Ballads or Corries)
Lord Maxwell's Last Goodbye (Corries?)
Melville Castle (corries)
Nine Times a Night (Folk Songs and Ballads of Lancashire)
One Man's Hands (Sing Out)
Roses of Prince Charlie (corries)
Clerk Saunders (Oxford Book of Ballads)
Tiree Love Song (corries)
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: John in Brisbane Date: 28 Aug 00 - 08:47 AM Captain Bover AKA The Weary Cutters in the DT. Regards, John |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Sorcha Date: 28 Aug 00 - 01:17 PM 2921)REUBEN JAMES is the same song as 3153)SINKING OF THE REUBEN JAMES, tune is Wildwood Flower with click to play at [WLDWDFLR 3061)SAM HALL tune at [AIKENDRUM tune file :CAPNKIDD 3262)STEALIN' STEALIN' --abc posted 3278)STREETS OF LOREDO? is this Streets of Laredo? If so, 2 tunes are at {LAREDST 3329)TAKE A WHIFF ON ME abc posted 3453)TIMES THEY ARE A-CHANGIN' abc posted |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: John in Brisbane Date: 29 Aug 00 - 03:46 AM Will be posting a MIDI of Let Me In This Ae Nicht to Alan tonight. Regards, John |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 29 Aug 00 - 08:29 PM 3341) THAIS - midi sent to Alan 8/29 - Courtesy of Stewart - THANKS! 3649) WEDDING SONG - midi sent to Alan 8/29 3784) WINDMILLS OF YOUR MIND - midi sent to Alan 8/29 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Snuffy Date: 29 Aug 00 - 08:48 PM 3036 SAIL CLEARWATER - see Roll Alabama Roll [ROLLALAB 3217 A SONG ABOUT THE BISHOP OF ARGYLL - see 364) THE BLAYDON RACES - posted by snuffy to thread 23672 8/8 3230 SONG OF THE SPLINTERED SHILLELAGAH - see Over The Water To Charlie [CHARLOVR 3292 A SUN VALLEY SONG - see Streets of Laredo [LAREDST 3299 SUSSEX DRINKING SONG - see 3672 THE WEST'S ASLEEP. posted by snuffy to thread 23672 8/20 3303 SWAN NECKED VALVE. - see Keach On the Creel [KEACHCRL 3314 SWEET ROSIE LEVINSKY - see Sweet Rosy O'Grady [SWTROSY Wassail! V
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 29 Aug 00 - 10:41 PM *phew* If I get internet back tomorrow at work will get the lists updated... |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 30 Aug 00 - 10:11 AM updated lists available! Keep 'em coming folks. If nothing else, the list of "found tunes" is available.... |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 30 Aug 00 - 11:30 AM 717) CONSTANT LOVERS - sent by IvanB to joe 8/28 805) DARK OLD WATERS sent by ivanB to Joe 8/28 864) DIE GEDANKEN SIND FREI sent by IvanB to Joe 8/28 954) DRUNKEN Sailor - thread 23672 by snuffy jul-26-00 1053) FAIR MAID WALKING - tune posted to thread 23672 by snuffy 29-jul-00 1074) FALSIFY TAXES - see waltz across texas thread 23672 12-aug-00 1321) GLENCOE - snuffy sent to DickG 1371) GOODNIGHT IRENE posted by snuffy to thread 23672 29 jul 00 1816) Irving the Rover - see [SPENCROV 2456) NAOMI WISE - see [LOGCABIN 3021) THE ROVING KIND - see the fireship - posted by snuffy to thread 23672 25-jul-00 3036) SAIL CLEARWATER - see Roll Alabama Roll [ROLLALAB 3082) SCOTCH AND SODA - midi sent 8/28 3084) THE SCOTSMAN'S KILT- midi sent to alan 8/28 tune posted to thread 24821 3230) SONG OF THE SPLINTERED SHILLELAGAH - see Over The Water To Charlie [CHARLOVR 3292) A SUN VALLEY SONG - see Streets of Laredo [LAREDST 3299) SUSSEX DRINKING SONG -- see 3672 THE WEST'S ASLEEP. posted by snuffy to thread 23672 8/20 3303) SWAN NECKED VALVE - see Keach On the Creel [KEACHCRL 3314) SWEET ROSIE LEVINSKY -see Sweet Rosy O'Grady [SWTROSY 3321) SWING AND TURN, JUBILEE - posted by snuffy to threas 23672 29-jul-00 3371) THAIS - MaK sent midi 8/29 3498) THE TRAVELER(Our Goodman)- sent by snuffy to DickG 3784) WINDMILLS OF YOUR MIND - midi sent to alan by MaK 8/29
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Sorcha Date: 30 Aug 00 - 03:06 PM 345)BINGO, abc posted 3011)ROTATION BLUES, abc posted 3563)UP THE MOUNTAIN, abc posted 3686)WHAT WAS YOUR NAME IN THE STATES ,abc posted |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Snuffy Date: 30 Aug 00 - 07:04 PM 3357 TEA SHANTY - see 2192) LOWLANDS-http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=103929 3358 TEACHERS' HARD, HARD TIMES - see Hard, Hard Times [HARDTIM2 3363 TEN LITTLE INDIANS (2) - see 3362) TEN LITTLE INDIANS- midi sent 7/31 3400 THERE'S A HOLE IN THE BUDGET - see There's A Hole In The Bucket [HOLEBCKT 3523 TURN THE WORLD AROUND - see Apprentice Song [APPREN Wassail! V
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 31 Aug 00 - 09:06 AM opinions anyone? I would have said Hole in the Budget would fit to Hole in the bottem of the Sea not Hole in the Bucket, based on the verse structure. Anyone? |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 31 Aug 00 - 09:25 AM I agree MMario. Hole in the Budget seems to fit Hole in the Bottom of the Sea. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Snuffy Date: 31 Aug 00 - 09:27 AM Oops! Wassail! V |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 31 Aug 00 - 09:36 AM OK Snuffy, now sing it for us! |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 31 Aug 00 - 09:47 AM Midis sent to Alan 8/30 Saints of God Roomfull of Roses
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Sorcha Date: 31 Aug 00 - 11:02 AM 3688)WHAT'LL WE DO WITH THE BABY-O abc posted 3770)WILLIE THE WEEPER 1 and 3771)WILLIE THE WEEPER 2 abc posted, same tune for files [WILLWEP1 and [WILLWEP2 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 31 Aug 00 - 11:10 AM |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Sorcha Date: 31 Aug 00 - 11:43 AM 1289)GET UP JACK JOHN SIT DOWN abc posted 1424)GYPSY DAVEY abc posted |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 31 Aug 00 - 02:45 PM New Midis: THE CRUEL SHIP'S CAPTAIN filename[ ANDRROS3 DT text transcribed from a recording by A.L. Lloyd. I don't know which of the several variant tunes found in tradition Lloyd used, so have made a midi of the particularly fine one collected by Vaughan Williams from James Carter of King's Lynn, Norfolk in 1905. The song is better known as The Captain's Apprentice; a recent article in the Folk Music Journal (vol.7 no.5, 1999) explores the historical background and traces the song's antecedents. GRUEL filename[ GRUELL No source is named, but it looks very like Jimmy MacBeath's version. Though the tune specified is "The Lincolnshire Poacher", it's not the familiar version, so I thought it best to make a separate midi; this is taken from the transcription of Jimmy MacBeath's singing in Ailie Munro's The Folk Music Revival in Scotland. ROAST BEEF OF OLD ENGLAND filename[ ROASTBF As Snuffy pointed out, the tune is a close relative of HARD TIMES OF OLD ENGLAND; it's different enough, though, to deserve a midi of its own, so I've made one from the set given in The New National Song Book (Boosey & Hawkes, 1957) BARLEY STRAW filename[ BARLSTRW Transcribed from Martin Carthy's recording. He learnt the song from the version recorded by Peter Kennedy from Harry Cox of Catfield in Norfolk, in 1953, though the words have got changed a bit somewhere along the way. I've made a midi from the transcription in Kennedy's Folk Songs of Britain & Ireland. THE KNIGHT AND THE SHEPHERD'S DAUGHTER (5) filename[ SHEPDAU5 The version published by Cecil Sharp in 100 English Folk Songs (1916). The book was intended for use in the parlour and concert-hall, so the text is a collation of several versions, set to what Sharp felt was the best tune available of those he had collected. There is also a little bowdlerisation in verse 2; this was done for sound practical reasons, not because Sharp was a prude. He published unedited texts in the Folk Song Journal. A midi of the tune, collected by Sharp from John Swain of Donyatt, Somerset, in 1904, goes to Alan. Cross-references: GREEN FIELDS OF CANADA filename[ GRNCANAD Another transcription from a Planxty record. Again, i believe they had the song from Paddy Tunney; a version of his is given in THE GREEN FIELDS OF AMERICA (3), filename[ GRNFLDA3 -the tune given, GRNFLDA3.mid, is so close to Planxty's reading of it that only a link to it is needed. It's a close relative, incidentally, of the best-known Plains of Waterloo tune. CAPTAIN ROBERT KIDD filename[ CAPNKID2 American version (Lomax) Almost certainly sung to a variant of the Jack Hall/Sam Hall/Admiral Benbow tune; tune at CAPTAIN KIDD filename[ CAPNKIDD (CAPNKIDD.mid) would work, as would either ADBENBOW.mid or ADBENBOW2.mid Technical Questions: please comment! THE CRUEL SISTER filename[ TWOSS11 This version is credited to one Dave Webb; it is, however, virtually identical to the version recorded by Pentangle (Cruel Sister, Transatlantic Records TRA 228, 1970), with the interleaved burden (Lay the bent to the bonny broom and Fa la la la la la la la la)removed, and the two-line verses conflated into 4-line stanzas. I strongly suspect that he learned the song from that record: the textual differences seem mostly to be minor mis-hearings on the part of Mr. Webb or the transcriber. If I'm right on that, then it's impossible to guess at what kind of tune was used, since I have no idea who Dave Webb is, and the transcriber gave no indication. The tune that Pentangle used was not a traditional "Cruel Sister" tune, but one taken from a version of "Riddles Wisely Expounded" and slightly simplified, whether by Pentangle or their (unnamed) source I do not know. Also on the DT is TWO SISTERS (Bonnie Broom) -filename[ TWOSIS- presumably transcribed from Frankie Armstrong's recording, which is essentially the same text, again with a few minor variations probably due to mis-hearings. The interlaced burden is there this time, but the tune is entirely different. Probably either tune could be used, though that used by Pentangle would be compromised rather by being forced to fit the altered text. I don't see what the most appropriate action would be, here: only someone who has heard Dave Webb sing the song can tell us which (if either) tune he used. Comments, please! HIND HORN filename[ HINDHORN Version from Child, therefore with no tune. Bronson gives a good few tunes for this ballad, all of which are variants of each other. No tune is given for this specific version. There are already 2 other versions on the DT: HIND HORN (2), filename[ HNDHORN2 (soundfile HNDHORN2.mid): Ewan MacColl, and HIND HORN (3), filename[ HNDHORN3 (soundfile HNDHORN3.mid): American version. Either tune would work, as would most of those given in Bronson. I'm tempted to send a midi of the one I like best (Bronson's version #10), which has an incomplete text which however is reasonably close -so far as it goes- to the DT/Child text, but it would need to be made clear that this is only one of a number of possibilities... In the Pipeline: BONNY BIRDIE filename[ BONBIRDI Only one text has ever been recorded, and so far as I remember, no tune is known. (Child #82). Ray Fisher, however, has recorded it, set (by Martin Carthy) to the strathspey "Devil in the Kitchen"; I'm making a midi based on that, but it's a bugger getting the phrasing right... ANAC CUAIN filename[ ANACUAIN Not having access to the book from which this text was transcribed, I'm having trouble deciding which of several differing versions of the tune I should use. More on this later. NUT BROWN MAIDEN filename[ NUTBROWN Midi made from the copy in Moffat's Minstrelsy of the Scottish Highlands; the DT text is Professor Blackie's English language version, rather than a translation, and has a verse missing. I feel that I ought to post the Gaelic text, but my knowledge of the language is too limited for me to be able to produce a decent translation myself, so it will have to wait until I find one. As a rule I will not post songs in languages other than English unless I can provide a full translation. Oh, yes; has anyone done AS I ROVED OUT filename[ ASIROVED, yet? Malcolm |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 31 Aug 00 - 02:53 PM 134) AS I ROVED OUT (2) - see Tarry Trousers 3 or so I'm told |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 31 Aug 00 - 03:46 PM Thanks for the info; I've checked now, and "Tarry Trousers 3" is a quite different tune. So I'll add: AS I ROVED OUT filename[ ASIROVED Planxty version; they learnt it from Paddy Tunney, but seem to have made changes in the melody as noted in Tunney's book, The Stone Fiddle. I've made a midi from that, modified to reflect the changes made by Planxty. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: MMario Date: 31 Aug 00 - 04:26 PM 2937) RISE AND SHINE - midi sent 8/31 2940) RIU RIU - midi sent to alan 8/31 2952) ROBIN ADAIR -midi sent to alan 8/31 3211) SOME SAY THE DE'IL'S DEID - midi sent 8/31
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: Snuffy Date: 31 Aug 00 - 07:47 PM 3631 WE PITY OUR BOSSES FIVE - see Farmer In The Dell [FRMRDELL 3680 WHA SAW THE COTTON SPINNERS - see Wha Saw The 42nd [MARCH42 3692 WHAUR ARE YE GAUN, MY BONNIE WEE LASS? - see The Quaker's Wife [NINEINCH 3707 WHEN I WAS A WEE THING - see John Anderson, My Jo [JOHNAND 3764 THE WILD LUMBERJACK, THE - see Streets of Laredo [LAREDST 3776 WILLIE'S LADY - see Willie's Lady [WILILADY (same title!) 3782 THE WIND, THE WIND - SEE 1699) I'LL TELL MY MA - midi sent 8/2 Wassail! V
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Subject: RE: Tune Add: missing tunes wanted - Part II From: GUEST,mandy ritchie Date: 21 May 07 - 07:12 PM i am trying to find where to find sound the pibroch on banjo i want to learn how to play sound the pibroch on banjo could you please send the song with banjo chords if you don't mind |
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