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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: catspaw49 Date: 22 Aug 00 - 11:17 PM Well damn hespy....If you can understand what I'm saying, could you come back and explain it to me? I don't really have a clue and I'm still mad over not being able to capitalize on the mysterious, crepitated, Jerry Falwell image on my garage wall. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: SINSULL Date: 22 Aug 00 - 11:27 PM My "link" to my son is comforting. He disappeared for three years. Although I knew when he was in trouble, I also knew for certain that he was alive. I have no control over this. It is as if we have a phone connection. Sometimes static, sometimes not. But if he were dead I would know. I often know when perfectly healthy people are about to die. i hate it. It's frightening but very real. And sorry but I have made it a policy never to speak. One of my stranger incidents involved a phone call. A friend's son had been arrested for murder. She fell apart and was hospitalized. I searched a phone book for a florist near the hospital, debated between two, and picked up the phone to order flowers. There was an elderly woman on the line instead of a dial tone. She was calling the same florist. Coincidence? Maybe. But this sort of coincidence happens fairly regularly in my life. I have NO control over it. I have learned to pay attention to it and in fact saved my own life once. That "feeling" came over me while on a sales call in Manhattan. I was leaving an office building, stopped and went back inside to call a friend. She was upset - felt that something was wrong and didn't know where her daughter was. All of a sudden there was a huge explosion. An underground explosion in front of the building had sent manhole covers flying. One person was killed. Several injured and I was safely inside. Maybe the pressure build up itself affected me. But why was my friend as sure as I was that something was wrong? Animals sense imminent earthquakes. Some people are thrown into convulsions just before earthquakes. I called the sitter from Detroit to tell him that my son had hurt his mouth. He thought I was crazy. Lawrence came in screaming with two broken teeth, one missing,and a gash that required 18 stitches. He had been hit in the face with a baseball. I knew it before it happened. Coincidence? maybe. Now spaw is planning a psychic infomecial but I really think he ought to rethink it. First i have no control. Second I might figure it out. DO DO DO DO DO DO DO DO (also Twilight Zone) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: GUEST, Banjo Johnny Date: 23 Aug 00 - 12:00 AM Personally, I am a strict follower of the Ancient Path of the Mystic Fortune Cookie. Everything you need to know in life can be found in a fortune cookie. I never make a major decision without consulting a fortune cookie. My current fortune cookie reading is, "PLEASANT OPPORTUNITY FOR SOCIAL BENEFIT AMONG RIVALS". How can you beat that? == Johnny |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Melani Date: 23 Aug 00 - 12:02 AM When I "know" something, it's a very specific, very strong feeling that I find impossible to describe adequately. It's very different from anything else. In the case of the two friends with serious illnesses, they were both people I was close to. I suspect that has something to do with picking things up. When my grandmother died, I was 2000 miles away, and sent flowers rather than attend her funeral. When my grandfather followed her a few years later, I was in the same place, and my family again said, "It's too far for you to come; he would understand." But this time I felt an incredible compulsion to go to the funeral. Finally, even though I couldn't afford it, I gave in and bought a plane ticket. My grandfather was 83 and in poor health; his last words were, "I want toget out of here, I miss my wife." So the funeral was not an especially sad occasion for the family. In fact, we had quite a nice reunion at his house--one of the best parties we'd had in years, and we all stayed several days before dispersing. I had a great time with my aunt and my parents, who at that time lived on the opposite coast. Three weeks later, my father unexpectedly died a few hours after arriving at my home for a Christmas visit. Attending my grandfather's funeral had allowed me to spend a last few days with my dad. I had the same feeling when it was time to send my daughter to school. My husband favored one school and I another. There was very little difference between the two, but I fought him tooth and nail for my choice, because I had that same very strong indescribable feeling. I won, and nothing special ever happened. I've wondered for years if it was just bullshit, or if maybe she would have been run over by a truck or something at the other school. In the case of my friends' illnesses, it was something I kept pushing out of my mind, because I didn't want to hear it, but it kept forcing its way back, stronger and stronger. I never said anything to either one; they would have thought I was crazy. Neither one had any slowly occuring progression of symptoms; in both cases it was a sudden symptom that precipitated the diagnosis. One died, the other survived. When the first guy died, I swore I would never let it go again, but when it happened again years later, I found it impossible to tell the other guy about my fears. It was just too weird. Sometimes I worry when my husband or daughter comes home late, or my mother doesn't answer the phone, but it's a different sort of worry, I always look at it very carefully to see if it's THAT feeling, but it never has been. And they've always come home.
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: catspaw49 Date: 23 Aug 00 - 12:02 AM With a stick? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Escamillo Date: 23 Aug 00 - 02:36 AM Ok Bill D, now that we know you are so logically minded, I'll challenge you to find an explanation to The Mistery of the Hiding Back of the Chair, a TRUE story which happened last winter in my house. My favorite chair, by my desk at home, was a Cinema-director type (those pliable, made of tubes an cloth). Every day when I woke up (at noon, cause I work at night until 5 o 6 AM), the cloth-made back of the chair had disappeared. The first time this happened I complained to wife and sons and dogs, until I found the damn thing INTO my closet, as if someone had thrown it there, carelessly. Second time I complained harder, since it was obviously a stupid joke, but everybody, including the dogs, sweared to not having touched that back of the seat, and even less having hidden it into my closet. I was very upset and intrigued and slept with one eye open watching the door of my closet, for weeks. Regularly the back of the chair gloriously reappeared in my closet. One day my wife Graciela (100% Galizian) early in the morning came to my desk, minutes before I usually go to bed. She looked at my coat, hanging in the back of my chair, then told me "look, this is what you do", then took my coat by its soulders, grabbing the back of the chair along with the coat, and walked to my closet, then hanged the coat in a hanger. By that time the Evil Back of the Chair had slippered down 10 inches inside the coat. As she opened the closet's door again, the Evil Thing was down there, as if someone would have thrown it there carelessly. My conclusion: since I CAN'T BE SO STUPID, I'm convinced that skeptic people, especially Galizians, are able to invent weird theories out of the most amazing natural or paranatural things, in their insane will to destroy our way of thinking. Now, do you have a CREDIBLE scientific explanation ?? Un abrazo - Andrés |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: CarolC Date: 23 Aug 00 - 03:54 AM Would somebody please explain to me the strange and ghostly voice in my head that keeps saying ....Carol..get..back..on..the..Mudcat.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Wolfgang Date: 23 Aug 00 - 06:04 AM Carol, without any irony I am grateful for your example how you have proved to yourself cloudbusting, for I always look for good examples from real life to make the otherwise sometimes dull lecture on how do to (and how not do to) (quasi)experiments more interesting. My students (some of them but I hope only a few will hate me for that) will be assigned the task to spot the mistake and to describe how to do it correctly. And you're post will be cited in my book on experimental methods (BTW, that should help to convince my employer that mudcatting during office time may be considered working). Claims like that can easily be tested and have been tested. When you (from here on that's all of you and not just Carol) have read this and similar threads so far you won't be surprised to read from me that the claimants could not back up their claims in well controlled quasi-experiments. Neither will you be surprised to hear how the claimants reacted: With all those negative sceptic thoughts around it is no wonder I had no success. Their thoughts were working against my thoughts Yes, I know, it always works, except when a sceptics looks. Keep the good examples coming, I can't have too many of them. I always hated dull lectures when I was on the receiving end so I decided to do something against that being on the giving end. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: flattop Date: 23 Aug 00 - 08:21 AM I see that this strange belief in chairs varies as it travels the globe, Escamillo. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Skipjack K8 Date: 23 Aug 00 - 09:27 AM Personally speaking, I have had more encounters with piano accordions than psychic phenomena. Skipjack |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: sophocleese Date: 23 Aug 00 - 10:36 AM Oh Wow! Skipjack! Me too! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Skipjack K8 Date: 23 Aug 00 - 10:39 AM It's a sign! Skipjack |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Alice Date: 23 Aug 00 - 11:14 AM In homage to the great (Irish born) satirist, Jonathan Swift, who showed us the folly of fuzzy thinking...
In part III, chapter 5 of the tale, a professor shows Gulliver a machine that generates random sequences of words. This device was based on a 20 foot square frame supporting wires threaded through wooden cubes, where each face of every cube had a piece of paper bearing a word pasted onto it. "The most ignorant person at a reasonable charge, and with little bodily labor, may write books in philosophy, poetry, law, mathematics, and theology, without the least assistance from genius or study." ~ Gulliver's Travels |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: MMario Date: 23 Aug 00 - 11:35 AM What I want to know, is how come I spent over 1/2 hour trying to start the lawn mower yesterday and it never even sputtered (Thank god I had a witness) and my nephew comes out and starts it running perfectly the first time, without changing a bloody setting on the freekin' thing! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: SINSULL Date: 23 Aug 00 - 01:25 PM Escamillo, I had a similar experience with a kitchen cabinet which would not remain shut. My apartment has high ceilings. The cabinet in question was at the very top, latched every night and opened every morning. It was strange since I had to get on a ladder to latch it. One night about 3AM I heard a noise in the kitchen and found that my cat was jumping from the counter top to the cabinet handle - an 8' jump - and hitting the handle until the door opened. Then he went in and slept. Mystery solved. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: CarolC Date: 23 Aug 00 - 05:06 PM Wolfgang, I honestly don't know how to respond to your post except to say that I don't engage in cloud dissolving activity in order to prove anything. Only for my own enjoyment and entertainment. The reason that I gave instructions was so that if anyone else wanted to do it (or believe they are doing it, even if they are just deluding themselves), and if they can have fun at it as I do, they will have some idea of how to proceed. It is not important to me whether or not the things I do that make my life more enjoyable can be proved or accepted by scientists. I think there is beauty in the choices that you make about what to accept as real. I also think there is beauty in the choices that I make about what I accept as real. So, Wolfgang, here's to you and to me. Cheers! Carol P.S. Skipjack K8, please explain the difference between a piano accordion and a psychic phenomenon. Both of them get you into a lot of trouble. ; ) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: hesperis Date: 23 Aug 00 - 06:46 PM Banjo Johnny - I have a friend, (who will remain unnamed to protect the guilty,) who always adds the words "in bed" on the end of any fortune cookie he reads. Can anyone explain these fortunes I've received lately? "Be prepared to accept a wondrous opportunity in the days ahead!" "Your existence has a positive contribution to mankind." "Your flair for the creative takes an important place in your life." (You know, if I took this too seriously...) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: CarolC Date: 23 Aug 00 - 06:52 PM Hesperis, Maybe you will be the modern day pioneer who will finally be able to translate an understanding of the ephemeral into the language of science and logic. Best wishes, Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: catspaw49 Date: 23 Aug 00 - 07:00 PM Hesperis....somewhere or another we ran a thread about that....lotsa' fun!! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: hesperis Date: 23 Aug 00 - 10:51 PM Thanks, Carol, Spaw. You know, I think the only things those fortunes really say is that I ate a lot of Chinese food in the past month... Nothin' excitin' bin happenin' in bed, anyway! *g* |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Alice Date: 24 Aug 00 - 12:25 AM Here's what a friend has to say on the subject... "I've told this real story before. A native American [Cheyenne/Arapaho] I knew well in New Mexico told me that when he was 21 in the late 1960s he wanted to experience the vision quest of his ancestors. It was a time when many young Indians were re-exploring their roots. His grandmother initiated him into the way of it. On her directions he fasted several days and went to a sacred mountain area in S Dakota near the reservation with only a blanket, made a cirle of stones and sat inside it, day and night for several days. He had incredible experiences---a few were visitations and audible "words" from both spiritual animals and real ones, a sense of virtual soul travel or OBE and interactions with "ancestors." He recited these upon entering his grandmother's house, standing there proudly with his robe and walking staff in hand. Grandmother listened patiently while she washed the dishes, turned around when he was finished and said: "A man who has many visions has a weak spirit." It was a kind way of saying he was "psychotic," not centered. A true visionary on a quest comes back centered on a clear path of what to do with his life and reenters society humbly to do it well. Chop wood, carry water after enlightenment says the old zen aphorism." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: CarolC Date: 24 Aug 00 - 01:28 AM Alice, If you heard the story of my life, I think you would come away from the experience saying "That CarolC is one of the most grounded and centered people I've ever met." Don't judge another until you've walked a mile in their moccasins. And certainly don't judge them until you have some factual information about them. It's not logical. Respectfully, Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Wolfgang Date: 24 Aug 00 - 04:24 AM Carol, the question that can easily be proved or disproved if you'd care is whether the connection you see is based on reality or originates from that great pattern generating 'machine' between your ears. It' s your choice whether you want to adhere to absurd (i.e.: not based on reality) beliefs. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: CarolC Date: 24 Aug 00 - 04:30 AM Wolfgang, Damn straight. Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: CarolC Date: 24 Aug 00 - 04:43 AM P.S. In case you are not familiar with American slang, damn straight means "I agree with you completely" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Alice Date: 24 Aug 00 - 09:59 AM Carol, I was not posting in response to you. I had not even read what you had written here. I read the thread title and posted my message to the thread because I thought it applied to the topic. So, you see, I'm not judging you. I wasn't even writing about you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: SINSULL Date: 24 Aug 00 - 10:59 AM wHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN YOUE FORTUNE COOKIE IS EMPTY? mADE ME VERY NERVOUS. mARY |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Skipjack K8 Date: 24 Aug 00 - 12:34 PM CarolC, I top and tailed the thread for subject matter, and came up with accordions and psychic phenomena. Being a fellow sufferer of accordionitis, I relished your words. I used to be a apologist, and favour the melodeon, but I think the generation that gave the accordion a bad name went before me, and all I seem to come across is loud, uncouth, rude and frankly piss poor (Andy Cutting, Julian Whatsisname and my brother excused) melodeon players with a superiority complex. I have learned a couple of licks on a one row Cajun box, but despite the size difference, it is much easier to make love through an accordion. Mine's Italian, maybe that's it! Difficult to bonk with a Hohner. You like jigijig? Skipjack Skipjack |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: CarolC Date: 24 Aug 00 - 05:31 PM Skipjack, I don't know what jigijig means (do I want to know?), but I assure you, you can definitely make love through a Honer. Another Mudcat member has suggested that I check out an accordion player named Tom Waits. He says Waits' music is enigmatic and darkly ironic. That's what I'm looking for. My first post to a Mudcat thread was in search of European circus music. I was not able to find any. I think that sort of music would be incredible on an accordion. What make is your accordion? When you say one row, are you talking about the chord buttons? Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Brendy Date: 24 Aug 00 - 05:51 PM Yo Carol. A quick search came up with this - Click - The home page of this troupe is here. It may not be quite what you have been looking for, but they are worth a listen, anyway. And their links page (although some are in Norwegian), is worth checking out. B. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Skipjack K8 Date: 24 Aug 00 - 07:44 PM Bugari Juniorfisa, Cags, 120 bass, 1978 model. Just been working up the accordion lick in Counting Crows Mr Jones for a gig tomorrow night. Cracking riff. The one row box is a melodeon I mess about with. Prefer Hohners for marching up and down parade grounds. Too Oom Pah Pah to my ear. You might like jigijig. I believe it is Italian for casual sex. Brendy, bit of Norwegian interest for you. I'm trying to raise a bid for one of these old boats. She's up near Trondheim, which seems a fock of a long way up country. Read all about it at http://media4.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001345.html Sorry, you're the cat for the blickys. Skipjack |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: CarolC Date: 24 Aug 00 - 10:12 PM O.K. Thanks Brendy. Skipjack K8, I have felt that it's hard to get any kind of fluid sound out of my Hohner. I guess that's what you mean by too Oom Pah Pah. It's the only accordion I've ever played. Does this vary from one accordion to another? I'm thinking of starting an accordion thread to talk about this stuff since it's starting to look like there are more accordion people around here than I originally suspected. Since I'm so isolated, accordion-wise, I could probably learn a lot of good stuff. Re: jigijig. Is that a proposition? Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: hesperis Date: 25 Aug 00 - 01:23 AM SINSULL, if your fortune cookie is empty that means you get to make one up. Don't forget to add the interpretation key on the end. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Brendy Date: 25 Aug 00 - 01:49 AM Skipjack. This is all very interesting. Go for it, man. I've seen a few of these boats, and if I can come across any pictures or other info on them I'll start a new thread, 'cos I'm sure other people may want to know about this. Trondheim's not all that far from Oslo (if you're flying there *BG*), and it was there that I have seen these boats. I take it that you've already contacted the person who made the first post on that forum, and that things are underway. If there's anything I can help with from here, give me a shout, and I'll do my best. There are a lot of pleasure boats in this country; most of them of the cruiser type, and the upwardly mobile tend to go for the Fibreglass and Chrome. This leaves just a few of the more traditionally minded boat enthusiasts, well in the minority...and there's a lot of spare boats out there, as a result. If you do buy one of these, the chances are you will have to come here to collect it. And if you do that, for God's sake let me know. Dinner and a pint or two on me, no probs; myself and herself would love to have you, and a few tunes to boot. I'll look into this a bit more, and if I come up with anything I'll start a thread...or you could initiate one yourself. B. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: okthen Date: 25 Aug 00 - 04:18 AM if anyone is interested in a serious psychic experiment, please think of the following six numbers, between the time 7:55 and 8:05 GMT (2:55 - 3:05 EST) on saturday 26th august '00 4 14 19 28 35 44 i've tried on my own with little success, and had better results when i didn't think of them at all! but if i "try not to think of them" i find myself thinking of them. i'll try anything once, four numbers might even pay my (£90-$135 )internet bill for this month. i'll let you know how i got on, if i post from the caribean you'll know anyway. cheers bill |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Brendy Date: 25 Aug 00 - 04:27 AM Ok then. B. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Skipjack K8 Date: 25 Aug 00 - 04:55 AM Brendy, Getting the backing from a UK museum has been a stumbling block, but I've got some progress in that direction, so it's still sub judice at the moment. I'll keep you posted. Thanks for the kind offer, that's several thousands Krona's worth as far as I can calculate. How do you guys afford to live? Carol When you get your arms round an Italian box, the sound will be so soft and sweet you'll chop in your Hohner as sure as death and taxes. Any make with an "i" on the end should do. In my opinion, the old East German Galotta is too closely related to the Hohner, and if you are offered a Parrot, run a mile, it's Chinese. There are also Delicia boxes around, but I don't personally rate them. I'm sounding super knowledgeable, but I know diddly, just the sum of my own limited experiences. My advice in summary is if you make the box make a sound you like, buy, or steal it. Jigijig ............ yes, virtually! Skipjack |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: okthen Date: 25 Aug 00 - 05:44 AM thanks brendy, i should have anticipated that! P.S. that's P.M. cheers bill |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Brendy Date: 25 Aug 00 - 05:57 AM Roger and that B. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Troll Date: 25 Aug 00 - 08:00 AM Somebody said that it's 98% of the accordion platers that give the rest a bad name. >BG< Actually, I like accordion. It's a great instrument for Klezmer. What's the difference between an accordion and a banjo? The accordion is pre-pleated for easier cutting. I must go now. My work here is done. troll Skipjack: Luck with the boat. troll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Helen Date: 25 Aug 00 - 08:56 PM Wolfgang said: "the question that can easily be proved or disproved if you'd care is whether the connection you see is based on reality or originates from that great pattern generating 'machine' between your ears. It' s your choice whether you want to adhere to absurd (i.e.: not based on reality) beliefs" I don't think that any person can definitively state what reality is. Scientists try to discover what reality is and the best they can do is conduct experiments to prove certain theories. Then along comes another experiment and another leap of deduction and the previous theories all have to be checked out again to make sure they still hold true. Reality is bigger than any one of us, and for one person to claim to know what reality is is absurd. All you can say, in truth, is that psychic phenomena have never been *proved to your satisfaction* but not that psychic phenomena do not actually occur. Check out the experiments being done by the Russian and American governments in trying to harness psychic abilities. They are taking it seriously enough to actually experiment with it in controlled circumstances, and appear to be having some good results. (On the other side of this case, though, some psychics like me would not want to be involved in military experiments so, either consciously or sub-consciously, my abilities would be reduced to less than maximum capacity for ethical reasons.) I agree about recognition of patterns - some people are more attuned to this, and in my case it adds extra weight to my psychic intuition, or in other cases certain body language or tone of voice patterns are the main devices by which I make my deductions, but other people around me often miss making the same deductions because they don't look for these patterns consciously or unconsciously. E.g. deducing whether someone is lying or telling the truth can be made a lot easier by looking at body language and listening to tone of voice. Helen |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: CarolC Date: 25 Aug 00 - 09:08 PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Little Hawk Date: 26 Aug 00 - 01:15 AM Holy smoke! I missed a lot of stuff here in the last few days, didn't I? Hesperis made some obscure references to fortune cookies...here's the technique...take almost any fortune cookie you get, open it up, eat it, read the fortune. Whatever the fortune says, add the words "in bed" to the end of it. This is the patented Little Hawk method for improving Chinese fortunes. Last week I got one that said "you are never afraid to learn something new"...in bed. Works like a charm almost every time! Yes, there are all sorts of aspects of reality occurring around us all the time that most people are utterly oblivious to. I, for instance, am almost oblivious to the TV show "Survivor", but have been vaguely aware of its existence at times, because of other people's belief systems. Reality is whatever you think it is. Accordingly, everyone has a slightly different concept of reality. The things that most of us kind of agree on are considered common knowledge. Those things can change. Science applies certain forms of empirical testing and observation and repeatable experiment to determine the nature of reality. So do we all. That's how we learn to walk and to chew food for instance. Scientists get into it in a more technical fashion, using a lot of manufactured tools to do it. Fine. Jesus did it without tools by using a clearly superior method. I can't prove that, of course, you would have to actually be there and see him do it to have proof. I have seen at least 2 miracles in this life. They occurred at most unexpected moments when I was not looking for them, but when they were NEEDED. That is proof to me that there is a form of higher spiritual power that aids people in time of need. Science is thus far incapable of apprehending or recognizing that higher power in any way. Thus far. That could always change. We'll see. The chair is indeed simply a bunch of swirling packets of energy, organized in a certain fashion. You can use it as a chair if you know it's a chair. If you don't know that, you might still sit on it, but you wouldn't know it was a chair. You might think of it merely as a meaningless object. It's not meaningless to the builder, however, who knows perfectly well that it is a chair, and what it is for. Therein lies the meaning behind all things. Creative intelligence has made all that is. It appears chaotic only to one who does not see the purpose in its creation. I see God, the Great Spirit, She, the Maker in the weave and pattern of all reality. Take away all the churches. They don't matter. Burn the Bibles. Remove the conventional forms. Take a breath. You are there. So is God, He, She, the Maker. So it is. Unless it isn't. That's entirely up to you. That's freedom of will. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Escamillo Date: 26 Aug 00 - 01:29 AM Helen, as far as I know, all governmental and University experiments, civil and military, have given no results, or at least no better results than pure guess. Scientist don't say that things don't exist, they only say that those things have not been proved. The problem is that many people insist in their existence far beyond all experiments in the contrary, so scientists finally get bored, archive those subjects, and dedicate to something more promising. When nobody can prove or disprove the existence of something, the discussion becomes sterile. However when somebody proves that his/her methods to explain the unexplained are intrinsically useful (for example a technique for the characterization of people through voice or gesture, or a new method for illness diagnosis) then THAT'S interesting. Un abrazo - Andrés |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Little Hawk Date: 26 Aug 00 - 02:20 AM Or else it isn't. That's free will. Pretty cool, eh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Helen Date: 26 Aug 00 - 03:37 AM Andrés said: "However when somebody proves that his/her methods to explain the unexplained are intrinsically useful (for example a technique for the characterization of people through voice or gesture, or a new method for illness diagnosis) then THAT'S interesting." Just in the last few weeks I have seen two media articles: One about a system for looking at people standing on train stations and predicting if they are likely to jump under a train - based on body language and movements, and the other about detecting a person's serious intention to commit suicide based on the tone and quality of their voice. Both articles were about scientific experiments which have recently been conducted. Helen
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: sledge Date: 26 Aug 00 - 05:03 AM Catalogues of voice index and body languauge don't sound very psychic to me, more like plodding scientific methodology. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Escamillo Date: 26 Aug 00 - 06:38 AM I have a theory of my own, about politicians being interviewed in TV news : when they unnecessarily scratch an ear or head while answering a question, they are blatantly LYING. (Proven when the truth arises some weeks later). However, when they don't scratch anything, there's a high probability they are lying too. Helen, a good method for analysing that body language or voice tone, can save lives ! Un abrazo - Andrés
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: okthen Date: 26 Aug 00 - 03:27 PM well it didn't work this time will try again next wednesday at 9pm GMT cheers bill |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: catspaw49 Date: 26 Aug 00 - 04:58 PM Ya know Andres, Cletus, Paw, Buford, and the Reg boys ALL scratch a lot but they ain't scratchin' their ears!!! Do you have any idea what their body language means? Spaw |