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Lyr Req: New Prisoner's Song (Boggs, et al.)

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I WISH I HAD SOMEONE TO LOVE ME
IF I HAD THE WINGS
PILOT'S LAMENT
THE PRISONER'S SONG


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richardw 21 Aug 00 - 05:00 PM
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Subject: Lyr Add: THE PRISONER'S SONG
From: richardw
Date: 21 Aug 00 - 05:00 PM

Does anyone know this song, its source, or the music?

THE PRISONER'S SONG

Seven years have I served in state prison
And seven more years must I serve
For knocking down a man on the railroad
And taking his gold watch and chain

CHORUS: Sad, sad, I'm lonely
Sitting in my cell all alone
Thinking of the days of my childhood
And the days when I done wrong

I once had a father and a mother
Sitting in a cottage by the sea
I once had a sister and a brother
I wonder if they ever think of me

richard wright


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Prisoner's Song
From: GUEST, Banjo Johnny
Date: 21 Aug 00 - 08:08 PM

I use the same tune as The Great Speckled Bird. Does that help? == Johnny


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Prisoner's Song
From: richardw
Date: 21 Aug 00 - 08:57 PM

Thanks Johnny, it does

Richard


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Prisoner's Song
From: GUEST, Banjo Johnny
Date: 21 Aug 00 - 10:28 PM

Okay, I 'think' it was by Jimmie Rodgers, or maybe Webb Pierce. I have the words, if I can figure out how to punch them in on the mudcat screen. == Johnny


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Prisoner's Song
From: semi-submersible
Date: 03 Aug 04 - 02:47 PM

Is this actually an "unanswered request"?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Prisoner's Song
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Aug 04 - 03:15 PM

I think this is one sung by Dock Boggs. A Folkways or Rounder recording? OK, doesn't help much- just a memory.


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Subject: ADD: New Prisoner's Song (Dock Boggs)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Aug 04 - 03:28 PM

Traditional? Found it. It was Dock Boggs

New Prisoner's Song
(Dock Boggs)

Sitting alone, sad, all alone,
Sitting in my cell all alone;
A-thinking of those good times gone by me,
Knowing that I once had a home.

For seven long years I've been in prison,
For seven more I have to stay;
Just for knocking a man down in the alley
Taking his gold watch away.

Sitting alone, sad, all alone,
Sitting in my cell all alone;
A-thinking of those good times gone by me,
Knowing that I once had a home.

Oh, once I had a sister and a brother,
Wonder if they ever think of me.
Oh, once I had a father and a mother,
She lived in a cottage near the sea.
Sitting alone, sad, all alone,
Sitting in my cell all alone;
A-thinking of those good times gone by me,
Knowing that I once had a home.

78 version. New Prisoner's Song


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Prisoner's Song
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Aug 04 - 03:39 PM

A clip here: Sound Clips
Dock Boggs, His Folkways Years (1963-1968), 2 cds.


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Subject: ADD: New Prisoner's Song (Dock Boggs)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Aug 04 - 03:53 PM

There's a "New Prisoner's Song" on the Smithsonian/Folkways double CD called Dock Boggs: His Folkways Years 1963-1968 (it's a great CD, by the way). The notes say Boggs recorded the song 24 September 1963, and "may have learned this fairly well-known song from his sister. It was also on at least one 1920's commercial recording." It's a common song title, which will make finding versions of this particular song a bit difficult. I wouldn't have found it without Q's hint.
I have some trouble making out all the words, but here's what I hear:

New Prisoner's Song
(as sung by Dock Boggs, 1963)

CHORUS:
Sitting alone; sad, all alone,
Sitting in my cell all alone
A-thinking of the good times gone by me
A-knowing that I once had a home

For seven long years I've been in prison
For seven long more I have to stay
Just for knocking a man down in the alley
And taking his gold watch away

CHORUS

Oh, once I had a sister and a brother
I wonder if they ever think of me
Oh, once I had a father and a mother
Who lived in a cottage near the sea

CHORUS


I see Q beat me to it. Since our transcriptions are a bit different, I think I'll leave them both up.

Just to confuse things more, there's another Prisoner Song (click) that's a bluegrass standard, probably better known as "Meet Me Tonight in the Moonlight." Also see this version (click). There's also a Carter Family version (click) - but note that none of these are the requested song. The only versions of the requested song that I can find are the ones by Dock Boggs.

-Joe Offer-

Here's the Traditional Ballad Index entry for "New Prisoner's Song":

New Prisoner's Song

DESCRIPTION: Singer has seven more to serve, for knocking a man down and taking his watch. He remembers his home and family. Chorus: "Sitting alone, sad all alone/Sitting in my cell all alone/A-thinking of those good times gone by me/A-knowing that I once had a home"
AUTHOR: unknown
EARLIEST DATE: 1927 (recording, Dock Boggs)
LONG DESCRIPTION: Singer, in prison for seven years, has seven more to serve, for knocking a man down in the alley and taking his watch. He remembers his home and family, and wonders if they think of him. Chorus: "Sitting alone, sad all alone/Sitting in my cell all alone/A-thinking of those good times gone by me/A-knowing that I once had a home"
KEYWORDS: captivity homesickness crime prison robbery family prisoner
FOUND IN: US(Ap)
Roud #11730
RECORDINGS:
Dock Boggs, "New Prisoner's Song" (Brunswick 133A/Vocalion 5114, 1927); (on Boggs1, BoggsCD1)
Slim Smith, "Sad and Alone" (Vocalion 05082, c. 1927)
CROSS-REFERENCES:
cf. "The Prisoner's Song (I)"
Notes: Although the plots are virtually identical, this is quite distinct from the "Prisoner's Song." That has the chorus "If I had the wings of an eagle," which this does not, although I strongly suspect it was composed in flagrant imitation. [Borrowing a few items from "Botany Bay" along the way. - RBW] Mike Seeger, incidentally, notes that there is at least one other recording of this song from the 1920s, presumably Slim Smith's. - PJS
Roud, of course, lumps this with the "other" Prisoner's Song. - RBW
File: RcNPS

Go to the Ballad Search form
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The Ballad Index Copyright 2004 by Robert B. Waltz and David G. Engle.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Prisoner's Song
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Aug 04 - 04:21 PM

Hear Dock Boggs sing his original "New Prisoner's Blues" (the same song, slightly extended) on Honking Duck. Brunswick 133 side A, issued May 1927.
Titles N: Titles N


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Subject: Lyr Add: PRISONER'S SONG (from Gordon Collection)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Aug 04 - 04:43 PM

Hey, hey - lookie here (click) at the Library of Congress, Robert Winslow Gordon Collection:

    Gordon printed another text of “Prisoner’s song” in Adventure for January 1, 1927, with the following introduction:

    The third song most of you will recognize. A few months ago I read that the “author” had recently died in Texas. I don’t believe it! Or should I be more frank and say – I know better! At any rate, send me all the knowledge you have as to the age of the song, the places where it has been sung, and when – the men reputed to have written it or any part of it. The story is a mighty interesting one. I have most of the facts already, but I want a mass of backing up from you, such a mass that no one can ever question my facts when I bring them out. And some day, in the not far distant future, I will bring them out for all you to read.

    Gordon is referring here to Guy Massey, who coauthored the popular “Prisoner’s Song” – a million seller in Vernon Dalhart’s 1925 recording and on the same record with “The Wreck of the Old 97.” The words of Dalhart’s “Prisoner’s song” were provided by his cousin Guy Massey and the tune by New York orchestra leader and Victor employee Nat Shilkret (Hayden, pp. 101-3). Massey’s text was based on several earlier songs, including the English folksong “Here’s Adieu To All Judges and Juries” (see Sharp, A, pp. 226-28), and the nineteenth-century English broadside “Meet Me By the Moonlight” (Wilgus, pp. 97-98).

    Gordon’s query produced a number of versions of the Dalhart song as well as a few copies (2375, 2384) of the present song, which Belden and Hudson, in their notes to “Seven Long Years” as collected by Frank C. Brown, call “quite distinct from ‘The Prisoner’s Song’” and related songs (III, pp. 416-17). What makes it distinctive is the chorus and tune of the song. Although the origins of the song are obscure, Brown collected several versions in North Carolina and several other southern versions. Others were collected in Nova Scotia by MacKenzie (p. 303) and Creighton (p. 309). While Belden and Hudson strove to disassociate this song from the “Prisoner’s Song/Meet Me In the Moonlight” cycle, Gordon’s impulse was to fit it into the larger pattern; for he viewed himself as a scientific detective, on the trail of folksong origins. This can be seen in his introduction to the readers of Adventure for this song. Wherever possible he approached his collecting with a problem in mind and sought to obtain multiple variants of songs which would help him solve the problem.


    PRISONER’S SONG
    click to play
    Gordon cyl. A119-20, Item NC176
    Ernest Helton, with banjo accompaniment
    Biltmore, North Carolina
    November 20, 1925

    Well, it’s hard to be locked up in prison
    ‘ way from your friends and your home,
    With the cold iron bars all around you
    And a pillow that is made out of stone.

    Chorus:
    Lone and sad, sad and lone,
    Sitting in my cell all alone;
    Thinking of the days that’s gone by me,
    Of the days when I knew I had a home.

    [False Start]

    Lone and sad, sad and lone,
    Sitting in my cell all alone;
    Thinking of the days that’s gone by me,
    Of the days when I knew I had a home.

    Seven long years I been in prison,
    Seven long years yesterday,
    For knocking a man down in the alley
    And taking his gold watch and chain.

    *Chorus

    I once had a father and a mother,
    I wonder if they ever think of me;
    I once had a sister and a brother
    Dwelled in a [?] cottage by the sea

    *Chorus

    I am going to a new jail tomorrow,
    I’m leaving the ones that I love.
    I’m leaving my friends and relations,
    And oh how lonely my home.

    *Chorus

    *NOTE: The last three choruses have been omitted from this LP because of technical difficulties in copying the original cylinder.


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Subject: Lyr Add: PRISONER'S SONG (from Helen Creighton)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Aug 04 - 05:18 PM

And the notes from the Gordon Collection lead us to Helen Creighton, Songs and Ballads from Nova Scotia, #141:

Prisoner's Song

Oh, it's hard to be locked up in prison,
Kept away from your own heart's delight,
With cold iron bars all around you,
And a stone for your pillow by night.

Chorus:
Lonely and sad; sadly alone,
Sitting in my cell all alone,
I've been thinking of the days that's gone by me,
The days when I know I have done wrong.


sung by Mr. Edward Hartley, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia

tune available - bug Joe to transcribe it.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Prisoner's Song
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Aug 04 - 05:44 PM

"Prisoner's Song" by Vernon Dalhart at the Record Lady, Archives p. 9.
Record Lady

The Dalhart is the one everybody sings (or sang) around the fire or piano. To me, it is quite distinct from Boggs New Prisoner's Blues (Song) and the Helton (nice- glad to download it). I think, in scientific lingo, Gordon would be called a "lumper."


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Subject: ADD: Seven Long Years (Brown)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Aug 04 - 06:06 PM

This is "Seven Long Years," the only entry for #351 in the Frank C. Brown Collection of North Carolina Folklore. The book has 11 entries for #350, "Prisoner's Song" - the Dalhart song.
-Joe Offer-

Seven Long Years
Contributed by P. D. Midgett of Wanchese, Roanoke Island (North Carolina), in 1920.

I have a father and a mother
That dwell in a cottage by the sea.
I have a brother and a sister.
I wonder if they ever think of me.

Chorus:
Sad, sad and lonely,
Sitting in a cell all alone,
Thinking of the days that have gone by me
And the time when I done wrong.

Seven, seven long years in state prison,
Seven, seven long years to remain,
For knocking a man down the alley
And swiping his gold watch and chain.

If I had the wings of a sparrow
Across this wide world I would fly,
I'd fly to the arms of my darling,
There I would lay me down and die.


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