Subject: RE: The Ballad Of Ramblin' Jack --the film From: Mark Clark Date: 30 Jan 02 - 12:19 PM Well I finally got a chance to see this film. We live in a news blackout area (Cecar Rapids) where cultural events are generally viewed with suspicion so “The Ballad of Ramblin' Jack” never made it to our fair city. Fortunately, we can still afford cable and the film is showing this week on the Sundance Channel. It will be shown again at 1:35PM Mudcat time on Thursday, January 31, and later that night at 12:35AM Friday. - Mark |
Subject: RE: Ballad of Ramblin' Jack on Sundance From: Mudlark Date: 19 Jan 02 - 02:30 AM Just saw it...2 hours of great film...very candid...well, at least it SEEMS candid. I was at a party in LA that he was at back in the early 60's..for a while his sole (and enraptured) audience as everybody else was off getting high. .He seems much the same, only more so. |
Subject: Ballad Of Ramblin' Jack on Sundance From: GUEST,Dale Date: 18 Jan 02 - 01:26 PM Looks like this hasn't been posted yet ~~ if it has, sorry. Sundance channel will be broadcasting The Ballad Of Ramblin' Jack this evening at 8:30 CST (9:30 Eastern, you'll have to figure out the rest). Better yet, since this is Sundance Festival time, you don't even have to be a subscriber if your system carries Sundance, because it is being transmitted free. The next showing is scheduled for next Wednesday, but I have no idea if the free preview will still be on then. |
Subject: RE: The Ballad Of Ramblin' Jack --the film From: MAG (inactive) Date: 21 Sep 00 - 05:00 PM Yes, Art, the top layer of the vertical mall is a theater again. |
Subject: RE: The Ballad Of Ramblin' Jack --the film From: Art Thieme Date: 21 Sep 00 - 01:13 AM Brian, I grew up walking distance from the old Century Theater on Clark near Diversey---before they became a vertical mall. Are they a theater again??? If I wasn't at the Lake Shore Theater at Belmont and Broadway every Saturday afternoon, I was at the Century. They had the only Cinemascope screen around the area back in the 40s and 50s. Art Thieme |
Subject: RE: The Ballad Of Ramblin' Jack --the film From: Wotcha Date: 20 Sep 00 - 03:11 AM Art: The movie is showing at the Landmark Century Center, 2828 N. Clark, in Chicago. If you ever get in this way, check out the Abbey Pub (3420 W. Grace) on Tuesday nights or The Gallery Cabaret (2020 N. Oakley) on Thursdays nights. At least one Mudcatter will be in Chicago in mid-Oct ... maybe an excuse to have a gathering ... Cheers, Brian |
Subject: RE: The Ballad Of Ramblin' Jack --the film From: Art Thieme Date: 19 Sep 00 - 06:04 PM People, I love Jack's music---and I truly loved his westering and lure of the road mystique carrying on the romance and the traditions of Woody and the Wobblys and Pete and Joe Hill and even O'Carrolan. I think it's possible to do both---to be both---to be there in and for a family and still be true to your music/art. Foremost, though, is the role of dumb luck in the equation --- and being in the right place at the right time Art Thieme |
Subject: RE: The Ballad Of Ramblin' Jack --the film From: bflat Date: 16 Sep 00 - 10:41 PM Art, Thank you for your thoughts. I hadn't thought about the choice of the road vs. parenthood and responsibility. There is of course a responsibility to be the person we strike out to become. Sometimes when we fall short the shortage is ever more apparant than when we are a huge success and become admired by one and all. In any event, I am truly glad for you that your choices have been positive. For Jack Elliott, I as an onlooker, admire his uniqueness and talent. It easy when you are not personally involved. bflat |
Subject: RE: The Ballad Of Ramblin' Jack --the film From: MAG (inactive) Date: 16 Sep 00 - 05:53 PM You can hardly blame Jack for changing his name to be a folk singer in the 50's. Tony Curtis did it to be an actor; Kirk (!) Douglas did it to be an actor. He loved the music. I am critical of people who commit parenthood, especially when there are hints of leeching off some woman in the process, and then not demonstrating love and caring. If my generation has a lot of whiners who haven't learned how to move on, there is good reason. His daughter is probably doing just what her shrink suggested: confornting her Dad dwith the things she really wants to know. I work with so many kids who are scarred in unimaginable ways by callous inept parents, and these are parents who are AROUND. I remain critical of Guthrie for the same thing, though I admire his work. Note that family closeness seems very important to Arlo. (Of course, then, he knew his father was ILL.) |
Subject: RE: The Ballad Of Ramblin' Jack --the film From: katlaughing Date: 16 Sep 00 - 02:28 PM efresh |
Subject: RE: The Ballad Of Ramblin' Jack --the film From: GUEST Date: 16 Sep 00 - 12:31 PM Congratulations to Warren Leming for his superb writing. No one should ever have to compromise their art or the lur of the open road just so that they can give their children a decent life. Of course, doing drugs and singing folk songs is more more important than being there for the children you bring into the world. Anyone can be a parent. You have to know how to play guitar, sing and be irresonponsible all at the same time to be a folksinger like Eliott Charles Adnopoz. BTW, it wasn't just his daughter that good old Ramblin' Jack rejected. Many years before, he rejected his parents and changed his name because he didn't want people to know he was Jewish. |
Subject: RE: The Ballad Of Ramblin' Jack --the film From: Art Thieme Date: 16 Sep 00 - 01:22 AM Howdy folks: Thanks to Joe for knowing how to take my e-mail and insert Warren Leming's revue into this thread where I believe it belongs. Both sides can be championed------and knowing Mudcatters, we might have a discussion here to rival the great one we've been having via e-mails on JACK ELLIOTT, this film and, mostly, what, if anything, we owe the biological family as opposed to the artistic family (community) we have joined out on our various hot dusty roads. For me, once I bought into the mesmerizing lifestyle of "the road" and a life singing folksongs, I realized it would be difficult to also have a family and be there for them while staying true to my musical ideals. I made choices that I hoped would allow me to mesh the two worlds and make both work -- on some level at least. We all had to accept less of the stuff (toys) the American Dream seems to be made of these days. But the path we, as a family, have trod is one that has been loving and mutually fulfilling in so many mentally enriching ways (some might call that intellectual spirituality) that I will forever be ecstatic I took the road I did. It was Sandy Paton, about 40 years ago, who told me to hit the road and see America if I was going to sing the songs that sprang from her soil. Sandy, jokingly, says that he wonders if I've ever forgiven him. I'd best take this opportunity to thank him in public. (SANDY, THANK YOU !) If Jack Elliott has had to endure the public flogging from his family because he chose the beat/folk pathway that Woody abandoned so trgically and prematurely (and therefore avoided being called on the carpet himself for similar doings)----I submit it is because he committed the crime of simply surviving until the kids were old enough to take out their anger in a venue like this film. As Roger Ebert said in his review, it does smell very like revenge. Somehow, Carol and Chris and I, as totally different as we are, made it work---so far. Why?---You might well ask. Probably pure luck ! I'd be interested to see what others here might feel about the points made by Warren Leming or by anyone else posting in this thread. Decisions many of us have made over tha last half of the last century---lifestyle choices---philosophical meanderings----many other factors that have not hit me yet---there's lots of good grist for this forum's mill to be ruminated on possibly. Art Thieme |
Subject: The Ballad Of Ramblin' Jack --the film review From: Joe Offer Date: 15 Sep 00 - 07:57 PM Art Thieme asked me to post this review, written by a friend of his. -Joe Offer- BALLAD OF A SAD ROUE |
Subject: RE: The Ballad Of Ramblin' Jack --the film From: Dale Rose Date: 11 Sep 00 - 12:08 AM Roger Ebert Review, Chicago Sun Times, September 8 ~~ Three stars. |
Subject: RE: The Ballad Of Ramblin' Jack --the film From: bflat Date: 29 Aug 00 - 08:25 PM Perhaps some of you were listening to NPR's Morning Edition today when a feature included a discussion with Aiyana and Jack Elliott. One of the points of interest is that it is currently in Nashville and Los Angeles as well as NYC where I had seen it. Sooooo, if that is a theatre near you, check it out. Also, it will be distributed nationally. Morning Edition has some candid comments by Jack revealing his uncomfortableness about the honesty of the portrait, to which he seems to have reconcilled himself. Growth happens at any age, my editorial. bflat |
Subject: RE: The Ballad Of Ramblin' Jack --the film From: kendall Date: 24 Aug 00 - 08:54 PM Actually, I dont know him all that well.. He stayed at the home of a mutual friend here in Portland. Did a gig here, and I was off somewhere, so didnt go. Next day, mutual friend called me and said that Jack wanted to meet me. We all went to dinner, and later made some music. He was very tired so it wasnt a long evening. Not a very exciting story, but, the truth seldom is! He got married recently, pretty good for a man his age..No, spaw, he didnt HAVE to. |
Subject: RE: The Ballad Of Ramblin' Jack --the film From: bflat Date: 24 Aug 00 - 08:17 PM Kendall, oops, you were referring to the second photo with Jack on the resources page. I read into your post that you and he looked alike. Excuse me. How about sharing a story if inclined, about Ramblin Jack? It's only a slight thread creep. Thanks, bflat |
Subject: RE: The Ballad Of Ramblin' Jack --the film From: kendall Date: 24 Aug 00 - 08:35 AM I have no clue what you are talking about b flat?? I sent that picture of Jack to Pene, and he put it in with mine thats all. |
Subject: RE: The Ballad Of Ramblin' Jack --the film From: catspaw49 Date: 23 Aug 00 - 10:47 PM I know the feeling Art!!! But I look forward to it anyway. Spaw |
Subject: RE: The Ballad Of Ramblin' Jack --the film From: bflat Date: 23 Aug 00 - 10:43 PM Kendall, I looked at your picture a long time ago. I've got a great memory so I won't be doing that. I think Ramblin' Jack was quite the looker as a young fella. So if you are drawing a comparison go ahead. Back to the film, here is a brief list of some of the folks included: Kinky Friedman, Dave Van Ronk, Arlo and Nora Guthrie, Odetta, Wives of Mr., Harold Leventhal, Woody Guthrie( photos ), Lead Belly ( photos ), Dylan and many others. Don't leave until you see the credits and a brief commentary by Jack himself, which follows. I'm going again to see it. I was asleep during those years,long story, and I'm playing catch-up. bflat |
Subject: RE: The Ballad Of Ramblin' Jack --the film From: Art Thieme Date: 23 Aug 00 - 03:56 PM This will NEVER come to Peru, Illinois. I'm pretty sure I'll need to wait for the video. But it's sure wonderful to know about it. Thanks so very much. Art Thieme |
Subject: RE: The Ballad Of Ramblin' Jack --the film From: kendall Date: 23 Aug 00 - 03:48 PM we did. He needs a gudgeon for his dinghy |
Subject: RE: The Ballad Of Ramblin' Jack --the film From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler Date: 23 Aug 00 - 10:57 AM I thought the surprise might be Jack talking boats and music with Cap'n Morse. RtS |
Subject: RE: The Ballad Of Ramblin' Jack --the film From: kendall Date: 23 Aug 00 - 10:54 AM If you want to see a recent picture of Jack, go to resources and bring up my picture |
Subject: The Ballad Of Ramblin' Jack --the film From: bflat Date: 22 Aug 00 - 11:58 PM Film Forum in NYC is showing the premiere of a film by the subject's daughter Aiyana Elliott. It is a bittersweet and poignant portrait of a folk icon. The film is absolutely wonderful. Don't miss it when it gets national release and comes to a place near you. Ramblin' Jack Elliott is an authentic personality. You will laugh and you may shed a tear and you will certainly get your money's worth. The list of those interviewed is impressive. Great film clips. I don't wish to spoil the surprises. But if you coax me I'll reveal a tad more. bflat |
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