Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: Metchosin
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 12:23 PM

Is there any reason why I am unable to access the DT?

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: Metchosin
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 12:20 PM

Ah but sophocleese they were not all helpless victims of a brutal society, just their own romantic lust. All of them probably had some point where they could have chosen an anternate action and lived with the consequences, but then that wouldn't have made a good song would it?

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: sophocleese
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 12:07 PM

OH No hesperis you mean "They were all helpless victims of a brutal society."

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: Metchosin
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 12:04 PM

Maybe we forget that the Page was a child with probably a more simplistic view of right and wrong.

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: hesperis
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 11:54 AM

Everybody in the ballad had a moment where what they chose to do affected the outcome.
They could not move beyond society's programming, and people died for it.
That's what I see here, anyway.

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: gillymor
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 11:50 AM

...even more like meat processes, Liz.

F

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: gillymor
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 11:42 AM

Actually I kind of agree, Metchosin. In the versions I've heard I haven't gleaned enough information about the page to know what his motivations were. Perhaps he idolised the lord and was acting the faithful servant and perhaps not.

F

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 11:29 AM

Frankee - don't know about folk process, more like brain processes!!

LTS

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: Metchosin
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 11:25 AM

Seems we still haven't moved beyond the medievil when the majority still wants to shoot the messenger. The Page is the only one I have some sympathy for in this dilema. As pointed out by Troll, he seems to be the only one "forced" to make a moral decision and he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. A very awkward situation for him, not of his own making.

But then again, a lot of bad stuff starts by adherence to ridgid principals, hence the duality of human nature. Lean towards the light.

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: gillymor
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 11:25 AM

LOL Liz, the "folk process" in action.

F

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: DanMulligan
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 11:21 AM

Naemanson..... Here is the verse from Fairport Convention's version that refers to the "page."

"And a servant who was standing by and hearing what was said
He swore Lord Donald he would know before the sun would set
And in his hurry to carry the news, he bent his breast and ran
And when he came to the broad millstream, he took off his shoes and he swam"

Clearly the servent was a "he."
dan

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 11:15 AM

We sang this last night in a wood, dressed in mediaeval gear - just couldn't help myself, after what was said earlier about the yearlings - I sang how do you like my feather beds and how do you like my sheep! And everyone there thought the page was a snivelling little rat faced tattletale too. He was just as much a possession as Lady Donald, he could have given her a little pleasure? Although it seems he did, to have gotten the clap!!

How do you like my feather beds,
And how do you like my sheep,
And how do you like my new spring lambs,
Served up with tatties and neeps.

Sorry.

LTS

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: gillymor
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 10:37 AM

LOL cf, it's good to see that that snivelling page finally amounted to something and became a world class snitch.
It's good to see you back Noreen, I'll pm you. That verse is hilarious. Here's another variation:

How do you like my feather bed,
How do you like my sheets,
And how do you like my dust ruffle,
I got at a white sale cheap.

Frankie,

PS Lovely thoughts, Little Hawk.

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: clansfolk
Date: 03 Sep 00 - 04:24 AM

What happened to the Page?

The only information I have is that he turned over a new leaf - moved to America and changed his name to Paul Revere (how do you spell that!)

Time to get back to Fylde!!! just think I was there just 5 hrs ago....

Pete

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Sep 00 - 01:03 PM

Yes, these are still vital issues today. Why is it that we cannot "love" without staking a claim of ownership. And is that really love? Maybe partly, but it's badly compromised by fear of loss. If we are all one in spirit (which is my belief), then love is a given, and the absence of love is an illness of some kind. I don't necessarily want to see my beloved in another's arms right there in front of me (because I am not completely without fear...yet), but how can I restrict her freedom to find her own happiness...and still claim that I love her? Love is merciful, love allows others to be who they are. All else is illusion, fear, or vanity.

Lord Arlen was taught that he owned his wife. Poor man. Poor woman. And poor Matty Groves.

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: balladeer
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 11:55 PM

Oh woe is me Oh woe is thee Why stayed you not my hand? For I have slain the fairest youth Ere lived in all England.

The point is, these people are all very complex and human. The human drama they are caught up in still has the power to thrill. Hundreds of years later, intelligent men and women all over the English-speaking universe continue to ardently debate the details and, in the case of the present thread, attempt to assign blame. I think it's wonderful that so many seem to take an interest.

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 11:12 PM

Hornblower? Yeah, let's hear it for Horatio Hornblower! My favourite nautical figure of all time. Brittania Rule The Waves...

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: sophocleese
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 06:56 PM

What I like about this song is its ability to be moulded to whatever view the singer has of the action. The impartiality of the words allows each of us our own revealing views. But I still think I wouldn't want to live then as property and the page might have been able to be quiet, taken longer to get to Lord Arnold, or just indulged in a little blackmail.

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: Llanfair
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 02:42 PM

I thought it was funny, D. Love, Mum.

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: Jacob B
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 02:42 PM

So is it better to be a Whistleblower or a Hornblower?

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: Llanfair
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 02:41 PM

I thought it was funny, D. Love, Llanfair.

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: Naemanson
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 02:34 PM

I think in the version I have, by Fairport Convention, the "page" is a woman! How does that change things?

I'm afraid I lean on the society as a whole as being the baddie. The wife apparently had wanted MG far longer than the time frame of the song. It seems in some versions she went to the church with the intention of bringing someone home. Some may argue that she had that right because that was surely what Lord Arnold was doing but does it really make it right? She had sworn the oath in church and dedicated her life to his (for whatever reason).

I am of my psotion on extramarital relations because I have never had the opportunity to experience one. My viewpoint changes with the circumstances (sorry, but I am human). If I were unhappily married I would probably take the position that the affair was right and proper. In any event it was society that was wrong at the time. All players in this tragedy played according to their roles in society as pointed out above.

As for "when she instigates, he's an idiot, and when he instigates, that she's weak." I would beg to differ. You give any man the opportunity to bed an attractive woman and you will, at the very least, induce such an internal struggle that you should fear for his sanity. The male of this species will follow the dictates of his hormones first and foremost. If he is really strong he will be able to overcome those dictates. If he is weak he will fall (into bed).

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: GUEST,Den at work
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 02:14 PM

I'm only familiar with the Planxty version which I believe was based on the Nic Jones version and anyway society is to blame and they all should have been taken in for questioning. Den. p.s. the page is still a ratfaced little shit.

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 02:09 PM

AndyG, in the version I know best, they don't go down the hall to fight, it seems that the fight happens right in the bedroom, as soon as MG has armed himself (with the lord's better sword). Then when wifey would rather have MG "than you and all your kin" he takes his lady by the hand and leads her down the hall, possibly only so that when he cut off her head and stove it against the wall, it would rhyme.

But as baddies go, what about the one man who blew the horn and warned the lovers? His heart was in the right place but he was disobeying a direct order from his liege... whereas the page, who tattled, can be assumed to be the HUSBAND's employee, and thus faithful, really, even if he was a tattletale. Oops -- the term for that is Whistleblower, right, if it was a good thing to tattle about?

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 11:44 AM

Hmmm...what is all this, a demand for a recount?

Hesperis - congratulations for the best overall analysis of the lot. It was indeed the attempt to establish paternal lineage (always a bit tricky to prove...until very recently) that led to the oppression, imprisonment (in exclusive relationship), and virtual enslavement of women. A pretty sorry situation. Maternal lineage is absolutely obvious and undeniable, and societies based upon it do not oppress their women.

I had a guitar teacher many years ago, an American draft dodger who lived in Toronto, Canada. He was being interviewed by the press one time (being quite a unique character), and he said he couldn't wait for the matriarchy to be reestablished in society. "Why?" asked the interviewer. "Because I'd rather be coddled than obeyed," replied Matthew. :-)

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: AndyG
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 11:32 AM

Thanks Mrrzy,

If as we believe NAKED implies unarmed in this context LD is keeping his head and saying;
"I won't be accused of MURDER but we will fight a duel to resolve this".
Which would be a legitimate chivalric response to such a event.

Also in Little Musgrave (as I remember it) there's a sequence after the challenge where they leave the bedroom and go down the hall/stairs (?) which would lend further strength it being a duel (trial by combat) rather than a killing "in hot blood".

AndyG

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 10:30 AM

Note that naked MEANS unarmed in this context. The version I had (Shep Ginandes) made it clear that it was the (married) woman who was the enticer; the page only did what he was hired to do, Matty Groves was an idiot but not a homewrecker, and everyone seemed to understand why Lord Arling cut off her head with his bitter sword and stove it against the wall, after finding her in bed with someone she then claimed to prefer to him. However, I have a Doc Watson version which makes it just as clear that Matty is a homewrecker. So I'd clear the page, allow the understandable fury of the cuckold, and say that whether Matty or the wife were the instigator depends on who's singing the ballad. And I would put the "blame" if you will on the instigator.

As a (sexist!) aside, I think that when she instigates, he's an idiot, and when he instigates, that she's weak. Go figure...

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: GUEST,Steve B
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 10:14 AM

What a fascinating insight into what is undoubtedley one of our finest ballads.

One question was if the story is based on real events - don't have an answer to this but bearing in mind that Lord Barnard (or whatever) was able to travel the distance in a single night, geography enters into the equation. It is interesting that the ballad is also known as Little Musgrave and Lady Barnard as there are two villages in the north of England called Greater and Lesser (or little?) Musgrave and they are not far from Barnard Castle!! Interesting eh?

As to blame - who knows. It really does depend on individual views/morals and understanding of society in those times but love knows no reason (to quote another song) and causes people to do things out of character sometimes!

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: dalek
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 09:12 AM

Lord Donald, definitly, for being initialy more concerned with mattys oppinion of his new bedding, than his wife! missing verse..... how do you like my feather bed, and how do you like my sheets, and what about the flock wallpaper and the parker knoll three piece suiet?

DALEK

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: AndyG
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 08:51 AM

Yay !
Let's hear it for the page.

As I said before it's those holidays.

The Devil finds work for idle hands
being the message of the song.

AndyG

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: IanC
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 08:09 AM

Re: The Page as baddy.

I think we have to understand personal concepts of fealty in the middle ages to realise that what the page is doing is essentially noble. He usually says something like "I am Lord Darnell's man". Thus indicating that, despite his own preferences in the matter, he has an obligation to his lord. At the period in history we are talking about (I'm assuming it's basically a mediaeval story) society has only just emerged from the situation where it was considered a vile disgrace for a lord's retainers (upper class warriors) to survive him should he be killed in battle. They still regarded it as a moral obligation to belong to their lord, body and soul. It really doesn't make sense to try and impose our own peculiar style of morality on this situation - i.e. blame somebody for doing what he knows is the only reasonable course of action.

Sorry if this sounds pompous but the characterisation of the page as "brown nosed" doesn't appear realistic to me.

Cheers!Ian

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: Troll
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 07:56 AM

Liz; remind me to never, never get you pissed off at me.

troll

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: sledge
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 06:56 AM

I heard he did......... From Lord Donalds wife in the first place, explains a lot.

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 06:06 AM

I don't care, he was still a slimy, brown nosed, arse licking piece of dog's pizzle, who deserved to get galloping dysentery, Viles' disease and the clap.

LTS

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: Troll
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 12:41 AM

Liz: The page would not have been a serf but the son of a noble house who was "fostered" to Lord Arlen to learn to be-ultimately- a knight. He would start as a page and learn to serve the Lord and Lady as messenger and general go-fer.During this time he would be taught what little reading and writing he would get
When he became a little older, he would begin training in arms and would become a squire.
And so it would go. In the end he would be much closer to Lord Arlen than to his own father; who would have had fosterlings of his own.
Serfs were never used as pages etc. This was a priviledge reserved for the gently born.
Nice theory but the page as serf does not work historicaly.

troll

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: hesperis
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 12:31 AM

(getting off my soapbox now...)

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: hesperis
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 11:55 PM

Going by the version in the DT:

a) Matty Groves - for sleeping with a married woman?

I have no objection to his doing that.

b) Lord Donald's wife for comitting adultary?

If this was actually love, and not just boredom, I would have no problem with that. However, if she actually loved the guy, she could have either run away, or gotten involved in the fight, possibly changing the outcome drastically.

c) The little page for telling on them?

Is a "sundt" the same as page?

I smell power plays.
The way it looks here, the guy was merely gossipy, power-seeking, and vindictive towards women.

d) Lord Donald for murdering them both?

Guys get really possesive anyway, and in that time, it was expected/allowed/permitted for them to act out on those feelings. I hate it when guys get like that.
I do blame him for not making sure his wife had something to do while he was away.
The line "never heard to speak so free" suggests that she was just a trophy wife, expected to do nothing except sit and embroider baby clothes... It's really hard not to think of taking a lover when you're not in a true partnership.

e) All of the above

No. Another vote for "Society."

I have no problem with adultery. I have a problem with promiscuity, but mainly on grounds of health.
If the Lady had been allowed any choice in her future, she might not have been married when she met Matty. If there had been true respect in her relationship with the Lord, none of that would have happened. If the general climate had been set up to respect a woman's right to her own body, the sundt wouldn't have gotten any payoff from snitching.
And if the society had been set up with freedom and equality, there wouldn't have been a sundt to snitch...

There was an Irish queen sometime far in the past, who wrote a letter to a nearby king, talking about treaties and crops and stuff like that, and at the end of it, she invited him, very casually, to "share my thighs." That very phrase. I think she was married already, too.

Guys became very possesive of women when they discovered that they actually had something to do with children being born. Paternal lineage became more important than maternal lineage. Men began to trade women, as if they were only breeding animals. Men began to belittle women's minds, creativity, and accomplishments. In order to cover up what they were really doing, they called it 'protection', and made it unsafe for a woman to walk alone.

I blame society, although all the individuals in the song have some blood on their hands for their actions.

~*hesperis*~

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 10:05 PM

Okay. It's election night, and the polls are closing. Tension mounts as the vote count rolls in, riding by riding....out of 48 ridings:

It looks like the official BADDIE is going to be...

1. MATTY GROVES - leading in 9 Ridings.

2. LADY WHOEVER - leading in 12 Ridings!

3. LORD WHOEVER - leading in only 5 Ridings.

4. SOCIETY IN GENERAL - too indefinite a policy statement, and no charisma whatsoever, gets only 5 Ridings.

5. Dark Horse Candidate SHADY GROVES (of the SPAW Party...that's the Solipsismicly Puerile Anal Wankers Party) - gets exactly 1 riding.

THE ROTTEN LITTLE PAGE BOY - a clear minority winner with 16 Ridings!!! Soon to form a government of nasty little treacherous squealers who will betray absolutely everybody...

UNLESS...the other principals form a coalition against him...look for a possible move by Matty and the Lady to combine their 21 Ridings into a single block through a decisive act of political coition.

If so, the Rotten Little Page Boy may attempt a similar alliance with Lord Whoever, which would also result in a block of 21 Ridings! Gad! That would be a governmental deadlock.

But wait! Although we can't expect much from the SOCIETY Party, which has no idea what it really stands for, the SPAW Party could prove to be the tie breaker. Yes, SHADY GROVES STANDS POISED TO BECOME THE KINGMAKER...!!!!

Stay tuned. Ain't democracy great?

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 06:54 PM

But what if the page was a serf, pressed into service,,, fealty means nothing then...

LTS

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: MMario
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 04:27 PM

Since the knight was in his own bedroom, he could well have been giving Matty his best sword and taking his "spare" off the wall.

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: Jacob B
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 04:19 PM

In the days when knights carried two swords, the smaller of them was basically what we would now call a dagger. The Lord was giving his sword to Matty, and keeping the dagger for himself.

It seems like there are several versions in which the husband is trying to avoid killing his wife, which he knows he is supposed to do if he discovers her with a lover and survives fighting the lover.

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: Shanti
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 10:46 AM

Haven't had time to read all the responses, but I think the baddies are the wife, (for even asking MG to sleep with her), the page for being a spy ("I was just doing my job") and especially the husband for drastically over-reacting. At that time, wives were the property of their husbands, but there are other ways he could have punished them. Of course, MG has to bear a little of the respo, but the wife started the process. Guess this all boils down to EVERYONE being the baddy.

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: Jon W.
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 10:25 AM

In the Planxty version ("Little Musgrave") the horn blower did it for love of Musgrave (Matty Groves). I'm not even going to venture what form that love took otherwise. Musgrave was one of Lord Barnard's knights and no doubt had more than a sporting chance when Barnard offered him the better sword.

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: Rana who SHOULD be working
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 10:23 AM

This was posted in a thread a month or so ago on UK.Music.Folk entitled "Bad Examples in Folk Songs". Amongst other gems it had this appropriate advice for this thread.

When the husband of the woman you are sleeping with arrives unexpectedly to find you both in his bed in the morning, be sure to greet him with: It's fine I like your feather bed, and fine I like your sheets But better I like your lady gay that lies in my arms asleep... A word of caution - on most occasions he won't have two beaten swords in his scabbard, only one. This does change the odds. There is also some chance that he may not be bothered in the slightest if all England knows he killed a naked man.

Rana

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: Abby Sale
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 09:05 AM

All of these - and their opposits - are arguable, depending on the PC/moral stance adopted. Have a read of John Jacob Niles' The Ballad Book and you'll see that Sandy makes the interesting point. "All of the above," including Page, are just filling their expected or required roles. But "the daring member of the Lord's platoon of merry men who blew his horn to warn the sleeping" does something out of character. Why does he do that? Niles was semi-obsessed with finding a song to cover the inside story.

Clearly he's endangering himself but is he doing it out of friendship to Matty or Lady? Maybe some other, nefarious reason - that would be more satisfying, anyway.

Niles claims (I say claims) to have finally found a song that gives it. Seems Hornblower is interested in a lady that Page is hooked up with. Remembering that Barnard will kill Page if he was lying, Hornblower simply wants to warn them so it will look like nothing was happening and Page gets killed. Very devious.

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: Catrin
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 05:11 AM

Good question Banshide,

I really don't know but I would love to.

I have to get some work down now before leaving for Fylde (oh dear, have I already mentioned that???!)

But I will put this one on my tracer and continue whern I get back.

Catrin

BTW - I am constantly changing my mind about who I think is 'to blame' (if anybody). Depends on my mood, who's just put forward a really persuasive argument, how generous towards society I'm feeling.....

P.S. I have heard it argued that Lord Donald is really a bit of a good chap. Didn't he offer MG his best sword to fight with 'You shall have the better of them, and I shall have the worst', thereby giving the lad a sporting chance.....

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: GUEST,BanShidhe
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 12:43 AM

This ballad is in Set 3 of our set list right now....lol 1. Anyway, I'm of the opinion that Matty was simply being chivalrous, (in the extreme), first of all reminding Lord Darnell's wife that she is married, then going home with her to service her needs anyway.

2. The servant was doing his duty as well.

3. Lord Darnell was also doing what was expected of him by killing the pair. In those days, I believe that's what one did.

4. Lady Darnell knew the consequences, living in England where the man could cheat, (yeah, right- "Bringing the yearlings home"... more like "Bedding the shepardess alone.") and the woman was chattel, expected to be the main breeding stock to the Lord only. She knew the risk to herself, but she did involve Matty, so I guess she's closer to being the "baddy" here of any of them in my opinion. She was honest to the end though, confessing her disgust for Lord Darnell even when she had a chance to lie & possibly save herself-"I'd rather have a kiss from the dead Matty's lips than you or your finery."

5. Does anyone know if this ballad was based on any particular real event like "The Bonny Boy" (or "The Trees They do Grow High") was? I also think it's interesting how a the characters' motivations change with the different versions I read about above.

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: Jimmy C
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 12:05 AM

Both Matty and Lord Arlen's wife are both to lame but the little rat page is the most dispicable of them all- Lord I hate informers.

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: Troll
Date: 30 Aug 00 - 11:27 PM

I take exception to the Page being blamed
Under the rules of fealty he was duty bound to inform his Lord of anything that was going on while the Lord was gone
Not to do so would not only have endangered his job and life, but his very soul would have been in jeapordy. The oath of fealty was a bond between man and master in which each promised to help and defend the other."If thou harmest another, I shall answer for thee. And any who harm thee shall answer to me."
The oath was sworn before God and was not broken lightly. "Until death shall take me, my Lord release me, or the world shall end."
Nope, can't fault the page.

troll

Subject: RE: Matty Groves - who's the 'baddy'?
From: Noreen
Date: 30 Aug 00 - 07:42 PM

LOL Frankee! If Simon Nicol read this thread I bet he'd add this version to Fairport's next performance! (He usually contents himself with e.g.

How do you like my feather bed and how do you like my sheets
How do you like my curtains that I bought in Ikea last week)

Aside to Frankee: No tape yet then?

Good thread, Catrin!

Noreen