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NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?

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Subject: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: guinnesschik
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 09:31 AM

I really shouldn't post this here, as it's not political, musical, or very important, but this is the only forum I hit every day, several times, and I'd like to know if there's anyone who feels as strongly about this as I do.

The nineties created a new pet peeve for me, and I find it continues in the year 2000. It involves perfumes and colognes, and the excessive use thereof.

Have you ever been olfactorily assaulted as you try to eat a meal? A human (men and women are equally guilty) walks by, marinated in floral/herbal/fruit/wood stench, and your food just takes on that flavor. Maybe it's happened to you as you stand in line at the bank or supermarket, at the movies, at a concert or performance, or even at the bar, where your liquid libation and even your cigarette tastes like the stewed juices of a thousand artificial flowers/herbs/fruits/woods.

What do YOU do? How do you handle this? I usually begin making loud choking noises, and point to my throat and nose. "Allergies," I quietly explain, tears running down my cheeks.

Also makes it damn near impossible to perform. I'm going to start making "No Perfume Zone" signs to place around the stage area.

Thanks. I feel better now.


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: catspaw49
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 09:39 AM

Personally I use "Possum Passion"...an interesting scent that Cleigh O'Possum gave me for Christmas. I hated not to use it since the little guy was so sweet and all in giving it to me. Its an interesting mixture of pine bark oil, asphalt, and ammonia.......Very refreshing and I get a lot of comments on it.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: MMario
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 09:49 AM

If you DO have allergies, then I think you are justified, though overly theatrical. If it is just a matter of it being distasteful to you, then I feel you are wrong.

And 'spaw -Cleigh was right, that scent IS you!


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: CamiSu
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 09:51 AM

Way back in '75 our architecture school was declared No Supplementary Odor Zone. There were 72 of us in one working space, and the assault would have been horrific if everyone wore perfume or aftershave. (Personally, except for pure rose, all perfumes smell like Eau de Old Lady to me) Almost every large group thing I've been involved with since has similarly been declared off-limits for various stink-ums, because lots of people can't handle it.

But last night, when I showed our AFS students how to use the washing machine, one asked if the soap was scented, and when he found it was not, gently complained. So I gave him a sample of some "Mountain Spring" fabric softener for the load. But I'm not buying a whole bottle. He can do that if he wants. If I want my laundry to smell extra good, there's always the clothesline.


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Raptor
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 09:52 AM

I agree with you Guinnesschik it seems that the most popular sent today is "Lily of the alley"


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Sorcha
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 09:55 AM

I'm with you here. I very seldom wear any scent at all and if so then very very little. Have you ever been in a crowded elevator with 30 different scents coming at you? Smells godawful!! Also, I can never even smell my own ( which is obviously MY favorite!) I leave the scents for small privated do's where the person intended to smell it can!


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Kim C
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 09:58 AM

Well, perfume has been around for thousands of years! I think some people are more sensitive to perfumes than others, AND that some people wear Way Too Much. I wear perfume but I can guarantee you can't smell me coming. I find excess tobacco smoke much more offensive than perfume. These things are just a fact of life and if they are that offensive to you, then my advice is to just stay away from them, or go see your doctor for assistance.


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: SINSULL
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 10:03 AM

guinnesschik,
There was a Song Challenge a little while back about a town that banned ALL fragrances and actually arrested a teenager for assault when his hair gel caused his teacher to sneeze. Take a look. You'll feel even better. I have a horrible allergy to Kent cigarettes - coughing, choking, tears,etc. And certain perfumes have the same effect. I am fascinated by people who need to marinate in their favorite fragrance -everything from deodorant, dusting powder, cologne, body lotion,etc. all at once.


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: dwditty
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 10:09 AM

This thread stinks!*G*

dw


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: paddymac
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 10:12 AM

Like many other nuisances in life, it's the excesses that are problematic. My most "unfavorite" who buy it by the gallon, than walk around smelling like a can of Raid bug spray. Yuuuuuuuchhhhh!

An interesting side bar - the process of distillation was apparently first observed, discovered, captured, domesticated or utilized by Arab peoples for the manufacture of perfume. During one of the early crusades (yechhh again), Irish monks "liberated" the apparatus and technology and took it back home, where it was eventually put to a higher and better use making the true nectar of the gods - whiskey (or whisky for our highland kin).


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Mbo
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 10:13 AM

From the wisdom of Willard W. Willard (the W stands for Willard):

"I had an ex-wife who wore so much perfume, if she stood in one place too long, she left a puddle."

Ba-dum-dum!


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: GUEST,Cynical Prick
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 10:14 AM

I agree guinesschick, but it's not limited to olfactory taste. That is only one symptom of a general bad taste/no taste disease that now permeates modern society. It seems that the popluace today was never taught (or never learned) about proportion or moderation. Things must be mixed in certain amounts in order to blend well. However, today's motto seems to be "If a little is good, a lot must be great." Do they even teach how to apply cologne, other than "a little dab'll do ya"?

Other symptoms of this disease include sloppiness of apparel - not just kids with their underpants showing, but adults wearing worn, holey, ugly, mismatched casual attire to evening events, blandness and tastelessness of food at restaurants "voted #1 in the area," the visual assault of colors and scene flicker of the commercials on television, and inconsideration of smokers - if they are in a No Smoking building, where do they go? Right outside the front door, so you have to walk through their cloud of stench to get in the building. Then you reek of their offal the remainder of the day.

Is there anywhere that they still teach what makes a tasteful object, or is it that general population had taken a large step toward slobiness and just don't care any more?


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Midchuck
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 10:35 AM

I think the noise pollution - incredibly loud stereos in kid's cars; jet skis; cars and motorcycles with the exhausts messed with to make them louder; excessive sound levels in concerts (not just rock, but folk and bluegrass too - seems like every sound tech learned his trade working rock venues); big trucks using "Jake brakes" in residential areas; screaming children in music concerts or nice residence whose parents won't be bothered to do anything about them, et cetera ad infinitum - is vastly more irritating than scent pollution. Not that scent pollution isn't irritating.

But then, I have no allergies to speak of, but fairly sensitive hearing for an old f**t.

Peter.


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: guinnesschik
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 10:43 AM

I'm so glad to know that this doesn't seem like a "Southern" problem. I thought it just might be a Texas thang. In response to MMario, it's not a matter of it being "distasteful" to me, it's a matter of it actually interfering with my meal, my performance, and yes, my breathing, although I do tend to overexaggerate.

Cynical Prick makes a very good point about the slovenliness of modern humans. However, I think it goes even further than slovenliness to downright self-centeredness. Just drive down the street. People on cell-phones almost running you over, folks in cars with their winows UP playing music so loud you can't talk to the person next to you, and generally feeling that the rules of the road don't apply to them. I have kiddoes in school, and I just want to shoot people who refuse to go 20 mph in the school zones! (Digressing a bit here, but...)

What a shame that we have so many intellegent, worthwile people on our planet, who seem to be missing the finer points of humanity.


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: MMario
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 11:01 AM

okay - interfering with your breathing is a valid reason to complain, likewise performance. However, interfering with your meal (at least in my opinion) is NOT.

Likewise, "taste" or lack thereof is a subjective issue. What is tasteful to me may not be to you. It is also highly cultural, split not only by nationality, but also by age, to some extent by gender, sometimes even along occupational lines!

And face it, there is not much a person can do in a restauraunt or theatre if they are wearing too much scent, except leave. And seeing someone theatrically "suffering" in an attempt to leave would proably make me decide to stay. A polite request would be more likely to cause me to move as far as possible from the sufferer.

I have several friends who suffer from severe asthma. One chokes, gags, and bitches theatrically at the slightest hint of anything that can agravate her condition. The other tolerates as much as possible, will quietly and privately explain things when necessary, etc. Guess which one people go out WAY out of their way to NOT aggravate her condition? (And it isn't the theatrical one)

And BTW, I agree many people wear far too much scent, and there are too many scented products on the market. some public restrooms have so much scented chemicals used that I almost prefer hot porta-potties to the gag reaction I get in the "clean" restroom


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: GUEST,Irish Sergeant
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 11:03 AM

HalleluiaH! I've had the same pet peeves myself! Though I find excessive amounts more (barely) tolerable than people not bathing, It is most distressing to try and eat while you have to smell the person a hundred yards away and their Eau de Cheap Bordello. Since I've quit using tobacco I find cigarette smoke offensive but as was pointed out, a bit of tact and discretion goes along way. For the ijits with the 1000 decibles blaring so loud I can't hear my stereo and the inconsiderate boobs on the cell phone while they're driving, they are proof that stupid people shouldn't breed. Kindest and ranting reguards, Neil


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Mbo
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 11:15 AM

Once you come and smell ECU steam chimneys, you'll never complain about perfume again!


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Ebbie
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 11:26 AM

I once read a hint that works: If you want to wear scent, put a dab under your nose. Only you will smelll it.

About the worst assault on my nose occurred on a crowded plane. The couple next to me were honeymooners- and she was drenched in the stuff. If the plane hadn't been full I would've requested to be moved. As it was, eventually my nose became desensitized. Besides, the circumstances kind of made me smile.

Sinsull, your comment on Kent cigarettes is interesting. Years ago my roommate started smoking that brand. Invariably, at a certain point I would start smelling burning cloth and we'd jump up checking chair and sofa cushions. The Kents didn't last long.

Nowadays, I'm mortified to remember how cavalier we smokers used to be. Somehow we took it for granted that non-smokers had to put up with our smoking or move away. Wherever did we get that notion?!

As a non-smoker for the past 25 years, I still feel for the 'leper colony' congregated at the office doors. If I still smoked, I'm sure I'd be furious at the loss of my "rights".

Ebbie


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: GUEST,Les B
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 11:30 AM

My pet peeve in the scent department are magazines and monthly bills that come with heavily scented sheets in them. They make my nose wrinkle and my eyes water. I cancelled a credit card from a local department store because of their perfidious perfumery !


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Peg
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 11:33 AM

I am an amateur aromatherapist, and being around cheap or synthetic colognes or perfumes gives me a headache; but I love scents made with all-natural oils like vetiver, sandalwood, patchouli, etc...most so-called "designer" fragarnces these days are loaded with synthetic ingredients; not only do these scents smell the same on everyone (hence we can all recognize Tommy Girl and Obsession and Opium and Paco Rabanne, etc.) but they irritate the nasal mucosa and often make the wearer unable to smell the perfume; thus they wear way too much of it, not realizing...essential oils, on the other hand, not only impart various physiological and psychological benefits to the wearer and others, but smell unique on each individual...

as for performing, this past summer I was singing with a band at a pagan gathering. Some well-meaning soul decided to smudge the space with white sage. I noticed the smoke was heavy, but since I am used to it I did not think of it. My pal who has asthma later told me he had to leave the stage area because he could not breathe...we were outside, mind you!!! When it came time for my ONE solo of the evening (Sanctuary Stone, the third song in the set) I choked in the middle of the second verse. A fellow band member had to jump in because I could not stop coughing. I thought it was dust but I now realize it was that sage smoke.

I learned my lesson: next time someone attempts to "purify" the space with it during a performance, I will ask them to stop and tell them why...


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Auxiris
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 11:34 AM

Looks like less is more and common courtesy is anything but common. . .

cheers,

Aux


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Wesley S
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 11:35 AM

Hey there Guinneschik - It's good to see you posting here more often. I know that my wife wants me to wear more colone than I used to be comfortable with so I'm aware of the problem. As a kid growing up in Florida I used to dread going to church where you could get stuck downwind of little blue haired ladies wearing jungle gardenia or orange blossom scents.

What's a far bigger problem for me is cigarette smoke. After a typical session at the Bull and Bush I have to leave all of my clothes in another room and shower before my wife will have anything to do with me { no jokes please }. Something else that sets me off is that even tho we have extremly dry weather here in Texas and everything is a fire hazard I still see inconsiderate smokers tossing their lit butts out of car windows. Don't they watch the news?? Or don't they care ? It seems to me that cigerette smokers think the entire world is their ashtray. { you don't smoke do you?? }


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Mbo
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 11:36 AM

I always smell like sawdust in the morning. Achoo!


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Whistle Stop
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 11:37 AM

We all have different sensitivities to these things, and different preferences. I think the biggest problem is that we're constantly surrounded by other people, so we're constantly being annoyed when their preferences differ from our own. For me, sound is a worse culprit than scent. I get very aggravated by the constant bombardment of noise in our society, which causes me a great deal of stress. It's not the accidental noise (truck brakes, etc.) that gets me most; it's the intentional noise (people who play the radio constantly, or leave the TV on at all times).

I agree with MMario that the dramatics wouldn't make me particularly sympathetic to your plight. I would suggest that the best thing you can do is recognize that the "assault" usually isn't intentional, and be humble enough to acknowledge that your own preferences may offend others as well. A little patience, understanding, and politeness can help you get past a lot of these things, whether you're the offender or the offendee.


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: guinnesschik
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 11:45 AM

Peg: Thanks. You are so right about natural fragrances. It is nearly impossible to apply too much of these, as the skin tends to absorb the oils. A hint of natural fragrance (very light, of course) as one passes usually makes me smile.

MMario, you are correct, of course, however, I HAVE tried the polite approach, and usually get gawked at or told that I can just move. It's a sad thing (and I'm guilty, too)that so many people lack manners.

Actually, Neil, for some reason, I find the unwashed more tolerable than the overscented.

As a "social smoker" I have a great deal of respect for both groups, and can behave appropriately for either bunch. However, I will draw the line at standing around the entrance of a non-smoking facility to smoke a butt. It kinda defeats the purpose.


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: guinnesschik
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 11:48 AM

Hey, Wes....See above. I usually need to air my fiddle case, too, and Himself usually has a few comments to make, as well.


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Jed at Work
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 12:00 PM

hmmmm, well I know I never smell of perfume or cologne, but I often smell of sweat ('specially livin' in Texas heat). I don't use deodorant (I hate the stuff), so I smell natural. Is that offensive too?


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: guinnesschik
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 12:03 PM

Jed does not stink!


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: guinnesschik
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 02:51 PM

It was a really hot day at the office due to a malfunction with the air conditioning system. There were about twenty people in close quarters and everyone was sweating, even with a fan on.

All of a sudden, people started to wrinkle their noses at an odor passing through the air. It was the most hideous smell anyone had ever smelled.

One man, popping his head out of his cubicle said, "Oh, man! Someone's deodorant isn't working."

An overweight man in the corner replied, "It can't be me. I'm not wearing any."


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: hesperis
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 02:52 PM

Allergies can make you more sensitive to the things you're allergic to. I have often completely choked up from the REEK of someone's perfume, only to find out that not only does the person not smell it, but that non allergy-sufferers don't smell it at all!

As for the smokers clustering outside the doors - you're lucky. Smokers in Orillia seem to smoke outside the door of a non-smoking building with the door open letting all that wonderful stuff into the building anyway. Before all the anti-smoking laws, all the smokers were inside, and all you had to do to stay away from them was not go inside. Now they're stinking up the streets and you can't go anywhere without choking.

I stopped singing in church choir because of the Easter lilies, I can smell it from the moment they're placed in the building to 2 months afterwards. I can't sing. Not much point going to church...

Synthetics are much worse than natural oils, but that depends on a person's allergies.
Considering that allergies were originally caused by industrial pollution, I would not want to wear synthetic perfumes, even if I didn't have allergies.

Lawn spray is really awful too.


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: guinnesschik
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 03:05 PM

Easter lillies smell like dish soap to me. Yuk!


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: catspaw49
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 03:08 PM

Personally, I can't smell gladiolas without looking for a casket.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: okthen
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 03:17 PM

has anyone read "perfume" by patrick suskind(2 dots over the u) if you can get through the first few pages, you might make it to the end.he must have done some amazing research to write an account of 18th century industry.

cheers

bill


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Peg
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 03:25 PM

I do not use anti-perspirant. Aluminum does not occur naturally in the human body, so I am not about to block my pores with it to prevent sweating. I have also read theories about aluminum deposits found in the brains of Alzheimer's patients, thought to contribute to this horrible disease...I don't wanna increase my chances. I also don't use toothpaste containing saccharin, preferring non-sweetened products like Tom's of Maine.

I do use deodorant, though, and all natural ones with tea tree seem quite effective...I tried using straight essential oils of lavender and tea tree but it caused irritation after a while...then again, so does shaving under my arms, which I also don't do anymore...I had enough shaving my superfluous body hair as an exotic dancer that I never want to again...though I do still shave my legs (heck, I am half-Sicilian)...

Staying clean is key to eliminating odor, I guess; hair traps more bacteria. I am big on those French-style sponge baths (my mom was, too, especially in summer)...

one great deodorant which was an accident of home-made cosmetics: I added bergamot essential oil to a powder made of pure talcum and cornstarch. The bottle spilled and I ended up with a lot of bergamot powder. I later read bergamot is a natural deodorant and thought, what the heck? I will dust some under my arms. It works really well and has a light citrusy scent.


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Bert
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 03:49 PM

Tree is allergic to perfume and she can't go anywhere near the soap aisle in a supermarket, and stores like Hallmark are completely off limits. I'm think we should get together and market a fart smelling spray to use near those who bathe in perfume.

Bert.


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Peg
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 04:00 PM

okthen;

"Perfume" is one of my favorite novels of all time!

In fact, I had loaned my copy out and was wanting to read it again and could not find it in any of my usual used bookstore haunts. I did stumble across two other novels by Suskind and put them on the hold shelf at a used bookstore in Boston; when I went to buy them a couple days later an employee, who I had mentioned wanting a copy of "Perfume" to, had snagged one that came in. I devoured it immediately as soon as I got it home. Even better the second time around...

"Jitterbug Perfume" by Tom Robbins is also fantastic, and contains many perfumery-related descriptions like Suskind's novel...though it is comical where Suskind's is more of an erudite thriller...


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: catspaw49
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 04:16 PM

Well Bert, Paw and Cletus are always available and after the Ass-paragus farm and the "Crapper-R-Us" fiascos, not to mention the "Fartistic Falwell" episode, they are pretty well ready to take on something like you suggest.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: sophocleese
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 06:03 PM

Well guinesschik it would appear that you are not alone. In the last two choirs I sang in it was common practice for the choristers to not wear any kind of fragrance for a performance or a rehearsal, it interferes too much with the singing. The only time I use scent is when I'm in a bath.

What I find bizarre is the Orwellian language that now advertises laundry detergent as having Fresh Scent. Apparently you can use your towel all week and it will still smell 'fresh'. What? You mean that the 'fresh' fragrance in the detergent is strong enough to cover the moldy damp towell smell. I worked in a place where I was to do light housework for a while. No matter what I did people didn't think I had cleaned. One day one of the women came in to do some cleaning and used some floral-scented window cleaner that had me gagging, that's when I realized that my use of unscented cleaners meant that people used to fragranced stuff thought I hadn't done my work. People are equating cleanliness with smelliness.


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Amergin
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 06:05 PM

I use ewwww de toilet myself.....


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 06:26 PM

I hate perfume. Any sort of strong, 'pretty' scent, natural or unnatural, gives me a headache. Can't stand tobacco smoke, either.

I remember this girl who had the most repulsive smelling perfume I've ever encountered. Smelled like rotting cabbage. Most other people around her didn't seem to find it offensive. Anyone else ever smeeled this vile stuff? Dunno it's name.

Also, be careful with perfume if you have birds. About 7 years ago, a friend put on a little perfume (Shalimar) in our house. An hour later, all but one of my birds was dead. I then read warnings about perfume and pets, but too late for most of my birds.

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 06:34 PM

I have a terrible time going into big department stores, the perfume counter is always at the front, so you HAVE to go through it to get to the rest of the shop. I'm asthmatic, so all those lovely perfume droplets to me are a slow and agonising death by choking.... I have to run through one particular shop (mentioning no names, but Al Fayed owns it.....) and collapse into the umbrellas.

And talking of deodorants.... there is a link with the increasing rate of breast cancer - those who defoliate their armpits, then apply deodorant AND anti persperant block the pores and the natural toxins cannot get out in sweat as they usually do.... This leads to a build up in the glands just to the front of the armpit, and this leads to cancerous cells forming.

The suggestion is that you shave rather than exfoliate, leave some of the folicle in, and use a deodorant rather than an antipersperant.

And perfume was invented to cover the fact that people couldn't be bothered to wash!

LTS


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: hesperis
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 06:37 PM

I just remembered, anise (seed) tea seems to reduce the smell of underarm bacteria, it's also good for your hair if you rinse it off really well.

The bergamot Peg is referring to is a relative of citrus, not a relative of monarda. Just so you know. (Cause I didn't know it once.)


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 06:39 PM

But how do you apply the tea without severe burns, hesperis?

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Mbo
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 07:22 PM

I hear dogs really like anise, especially if you garnish it on your pants! (Abstruse P.G.Wodehouse reference)

--Matt


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: hesperis
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 07:54 PM

You guys! *g*


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: catspaw49
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 07:58 PM

Its not anise Meebo....its ANUS, and yes they do love it! Other dogs, their own, yours (even through your pants).......Nothing like waiting for the shower to warm up and your hound arrives behind you........

Spaw


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Áine
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 08:07 PM

All of this brouhaha over 'olfactory offensiveness' reminds me of some sage advice that my grandmother once gave me:

"Honey, don't be picayune. 'Cuz if you make a habit of it, you'll just pick friends that are picayune too, and you'll all end up picking each other to pieces."

-- Aine


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: guinnesschik
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 08:12 PM

Seems I've raised quite a stink, here! Thanks for the bergamont powder idea, Peg. I do a lot of house cleaning with white vinegar and bleach (seperate, of course). When I did custodial work for a school system several years ago, they'd give us really heavily fragranced stuff to clean the restrooms. The ones I cleaned never had an odor after the fact, because I would go in and flood the place with water, first. Just goes to show that cleanliness can be acheived without a lot of chemicals.


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 08:36 PM

I have worn perfume all my adult life and have never had a complaint. It is absolutely essential to choose a perfume that reacts "as one" with your particular body chemistry. People who wear whatever's "hot," in the media are the ones who smell "off." When Halston was vogue, I tried it once and realized it smelled like urine and if it was offensive to me it had to be offensive to others.

And the other "essential" of wearing perfume is to remember that "less is more."

I tend to not like perfumey men. A man's natural body scent is very sensual, unlike a woman's, which can smell nasty.

Just my opinion ...


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: katlaughing
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 08:38 PM

Like Peg, I prefer to use essential oils and it only takes a teeny-tiny drop. I hardly ever use it, unless I am doing something special.

I have studied aromatherapy and use essential oils or incense in my home, always in moderation, when I am doing a healing/counseling session. I combine that with music to create the type of atmosphere I know that particular person may need at the time.

I have a terrrible reaction to almost all perfume, except for some of the really expensive ones and even them, if they are not used in moderation.

My nose closes up, literally. It dries up, starts to clog and pretty soon I cannot breath through it at all. I usually get up and move if it is somewhere like the theatre. I've heard that some theatres now have no perfume sections, which I applaud, no pun intended.

Can't stand noise pollution nor smoke which I am allergic to, also. I had to go to the office of my oxygen provider one time, and don't you know, right outside the doors to the building were about 8-9 smokers, looked like a chimney convention and not one of them moved away or tried to blow their smoke away from me, even though I had my O2 bottle with me! I always secretly think to myself, "take a long look, this could be you, if you don't stop smoking!" And, NO, I never smoked and that is NOT why I have to use O2, but I did have a brother-in-law died from smoking and it was not a pretty sight!

Guinesschik, I think you have every right to be as vocal as you are comfortable with to have a scent-free venue in which to perform. It may lose you some audience, but others will thank you for it.

kat


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 08:48 PM

now, if they'ed just put the women's perfume counter somewhere in the back of the dept. store, instead of right in front of the entrance so you get in without passing it!


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: The Beanster
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 09:15 PM

I've gotta say, the whole tone of this thread irks me quite a bit. I, personally, like perfume, cologne, soap, deoderant, toothpaste, fabric softener, shampoo, etc. Without these things, human beings smell pretty bad, just a short time out of the shower. (Step into a taxi in the summertime and you'll see what I mean.) I don't mind the smell of cigarettes and pipes and I love the smell of marijuana (although I don't smoke it anymore). Cigars are a bit bothersome but never in a million years would I be so impolite as to point it out to someone. Really, if this is one of your big problems in life, you've got it easy, my friend. Grow up and live in the real world.

I live in a very large city. People are around me constantly. The noise, the spit on the sidewalk, the screaming (and sometimes smelly)! children, the thumping rap music from passing SUVs, the screeching subways, jackhammers, drunks, throw-up on the sidewalk, etc., etc.

This kind of bitching reminds me of people you see on the TV news who are protesting about the noise from jet planes overhead. They chose to buy a cheap house next to an airport and then they complain because it's too noisy. Gimme a break.

I don't really mind any of these minor annoyances because at least I'm healthy enough to be out there walking among the masses (annoying as they can be). Plus, I chose to live in a city and that's the way life is here. So don't be so anal. If you put things in perspective and focus on important things and on what is wonderful about life, these peeves won't bother you nearly as much.


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: CarolC
Date: 31 Aug 00 - 09:23 PM

guinnesschick,

I am definately with you on this one. Perfumes and scents found in other personal care products that don't come from natural sources make me sick. My solution to this problem is to stay home a lot. (Thank goodness for the Mudcat.) I only go to shopping malls when I absolutely have to. The fumes from those nail salons will kill you even if all of the perfumes don't.

I use a deodorant crystal. It's a solid block of some kind of mineral. You wet it and rub it on. It has no scent at all, and it prevents odors by preventing the growth of the bacteria that cause them. It does not act as an antiperspirant, so your pores can do their little thing all they want to. I find that deodorant crystals work better than anything else I've ever tried for preventing odor. You can get them at health food stores.

I have only met one man in my entire life who didn't smell cheesy when he was wearing cologne.

Best wishes,

Carol


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: WyoWoman
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 02:14 AM

Sorry to be the perfumed pig here, but I do wear scents and so far no one has fainted or puked while standing next to me. I like the relatively light, soapy smelling ones -- also love patchouli, but it's the one that people have said "ick" to, so I pretty much axed that one -- and don't do more than a quick spritz with any of it.

And when I walked in to my former office, one of the employees said,"Mmm. I love it when you walk in. You smell so yummy." I wasn't his boss at that point, so I don't think it was mere sucking up ...

ww


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: BlueJay
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 03:12 AM

Just a comment from another viewpoint. I'm really not trying to be critical, but all you folks need a reality check. The one thing you all have in common is that you can smell these things, either pleasing or offensive. I lost 75% of my sense of smell 25 years ago, (head injury), so I kind of envy anyone offended by someone else's choice of perfume.

You all make good points here, and I mean it: I'm not criticizing. I just thought a little different perspective might be useful. Thanks, BlueJay


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 03:25 AM

Hi BlueJay,

I'm sorry you lost most of your sense of smell.

Most people don't realise that there are a significant number of people who become genuinly ill because of certain kinds of fragrances that are found in perfumes and other personal care products. I wasn't kidding when I said they make me sick.

I'm sure losing your sense of smell is not a pleasant experience. I'm also sure you can understand that losing the use of your body kind of sucks, too. That is truly what it boils down to for some of us.

Warmest regards,

Carol


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: BlueJay
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 04:02 AM

Carol- Yeah, I'm acutely aware of all this. my father-in-law is multi-chemically sensitive. Sometimes even being around someone with hair spray on will trigger an attack. As well as the asthmatics in my family who have to watch what they do. I'm fortunate not to be so afflicted, as I wouldn't be able to smell enough to get out of the way.
I was honestly not trying to minimize this issue in any way, but rather call attention to the fact that the sense of smell is like any other sense: it can be lost. Everyone's well aware of the deaf and blind, but people take smelling for granted. Ha! I just realized this is actually thread creep. Sorry, ddon't whip me with a wet noodle. I'd have a better chance of smelling it if you whipped me with a wet pepperoni. Thanks, BlueJay


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 05:22 AM

Bluejay - your life must be so different - I presume that your taste is affected as well, about 50% of taste is based on smell, no wonder you prefer pepperoni, the mere whiff of which has me driving the porcelain bus!!

I don't disapprove of people wearing perfume, I do object when the person has practically bathed in it, or insists on reapplying it on the Tube train....

Somehow though, I really can't get to grips with the fact that people want to drench themselves in something that is made with bits from the arse of a cat. And an endangered cat at that!!

LTS


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: guinnesschik
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 08:25 AM

Thank you, LTS. More eloquently spoken that I managed to be.

Blue Jay, thanks for your perspective. Thereare certain scents I love, and would miss dearly. Woodsmoke, a clean house, livestock (in the open: the warm, living smell), my kids' heads when I hug 'em, and Himself's cooking. Not to mention my fiddle when I pick it up and stick it under my chin.

It's not the fragrance that I can't stand, but the fact that some humans feel the need to BATHE in it.


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: GUEST,Fibula Mattock
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 08:45 AM

Interesting aside on the perfume thing. Apparently your nose stops distinguishing a certain scent after 20 mins of continuously smelling it (little consolation if it's causing your brain to melt). In the book "The Naked Ape" by Desmond Morris it says that people have come to treat natural body odours as something disgusting or offensive, yet they attempt to attract mates in the same way (i.e. scent and pheromones etc) by wearing perfume. We have really lost track of what we actually naturally smell like, because even without perfumes and deoderants we generally wash everyday anyway.
(Thought: maybe unwashed women smell better to men, and unwashed men smell better to women. Hmmmm)


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: RichM
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 09:00 AM

Your "rights" as a perfume wearer stop where your personal zone ends.
Which, in a restaurant, means that others should be unaware of your smell, unless they intend to snuggle up to you.
On public transportation, don't wear perfume. Wait till you get to where you are going before you put it on.

As for someone's comment the comment that they don't move if someone is theatrical about allergies...someday if YOU get an allergy, you will understand.

Rich


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: guinnesschik
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 09:05 AM

Thanks, Rich.

;-)


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: sledge
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 09:11 AM

But if you get back on public transport do have to take it off again??


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 09:12 AM

So BJ......I'm thinking of sending Cletus, Paw, Buford, and the Reg boys, to live at your house. You can't smell them and in case Paw flares off another that scorches YOUR garage wall in the likeness of Jerry Falwell, you'll be able to capitalize on it.

BTW, you should also be more comfortable when they wash their longhandles every few months.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: sledge
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 09:29 AM

Some of us here have a genuine concern when it comes to allergies, I don't have any significant problem of that sort and I don't want to. Those who do have my sympathy.

But I think that those who are like me and allergy free are just banging their gums together over complete trivia. For those of us in a nice comfortable western lifestyle do we have nothing more significant than to complain about how each other smells.

Thank yourself lucky that war,starvation and common disease dot affect you as they do a significant portion of the human race.

I'm with Beanster on this one.


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Alice
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 10:20 AM

Aromatherapy Company Sued for False AdvertisingFor example, the Aroma Vera's "Relaxation," which contains lavender oil, is advertised to relax the body. However, the database states that an "experiment" on lavender oil "suggested that lavender oil was highly arousing and distracting."


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Peg
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 10:38 AM

lavender is interesting stuff. It is chemically one of the most complex essential oils out there. While it does have a reputation for being a sleep aid/relaxant, the fact is, it tends to BALANCE more than anythign else; so in someone feeling fatigued, lavender can act as a stimulant...

It is also an excellent anti-microbial and more pleasant in this regard than tea-tree. It is very safe and non-tpxic and can be used directly on the skin, even on babies. It is effective for healing burns, cuts, abrasions, insect bites, rashes, yeast infections, pimples, and athlete's foot.

It is also a great insect repellent, and adding a few drops to the rinse water when you wash your wool sweaters will keep the moths away...moths like the dirt, not the wool, on your sweaters, so always clean them before storing. You can also store them with small muslin bags filled with lavender flowers...like the Victorians did!

re: fragrances on men. I have really only liked a handful of commercial men's fragrances over the years, inckuding Old Spice, Canoe and the sandalwood-based ones from Crabtree and Evelyn...the contemporary ones are loaded with synthetics and totally nasty in my opinion...

In my experience making fragrance oils for people, the essential oils that work best on men are:
vetiver (yum! very sexy)
sandalwood
patchouli
cedarwood
clary sage
black pepper
violet leaf
juniper berry
frankincense
oakmoss
palmarosa
ambrette (a botanical source of musk)

some of the above are slightly aphrodisiac as well...

if anyone wants a recipe, email me....

Peg


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 12:05 PM

In 1845, Boston passed a law that one could not take a bath without a doctor's prescription!


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: sledge
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 12:32 PM

Will they be repealling it any time soon?


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: kendall
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 02:28 PM

I think the problem stems from radio and tv commercials. In order to make great gobs of money, they have convinced American women that they smell bad. For what it's worth, I much prefer the clean scent of a natural woman, and, whenever I encounter a woman who needs to smell like a french whore on a Saturday night, I think "someone certainly destroyed her self esteem". My ex wife was severely allergic to all chemicles, and, we have had to move in restaurants countless times because some brain dead woman came in and poisoned the air near us. This also applies to men who bathe in Brut or even Old Spice. God made you ladies just fine. You dont need to smell like a floozie to be acceptable.


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: hesperis
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 02:55 PM

Good point about war, starvation, etc.
If we had to concentrate on survival, how many people would be wearing perfume?

Natural body odor tends to be more offensive when people are sick, not digesting their food properly, and so on.
Certainly, washing regularly will help keep that odor to a reasonably 'clean' scent, instead of a disgusting reek.

One time, I was sitting in rehearsal, and I smelled this spicy cooked meat smell. It actually smelled good! I then noticed that it was me, and several people agreed that it smelled good! (Nobody disagreed, either.)
If I eat meat, I really don't like the way I smell after the first 30 minutes, and when I'm sick, it is totally disgusting.

I have never found a shampoo that doesn't make my scalp and back break out in reaction to the scents.
Anyone have any recommendations for unscented shampoo?

My favorite perfume, which I only wear occasionally, is Sandalwood essential oil plus real Vanilla extract.
I just dab one drop on my wrist, and rub my wrists together. Sometimes I'll then rub my wrists behind my ears.
It smells like my skin, only sweeter.


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Peter T.
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 07:50 PM

I am deeply ambivalent on this one. Admitting all the problems, an elegant woman with an elegant perfume is one of life's great pleasures, like a dinner in a Left Bank restaurant after a day at the galleries. Preferably with the e.w. with the e.p.

yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: WyoWoman
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 10:08 PM

Yes, and I didn't mean to be insensitive to people's sensitivities, but to talk as though anyone who wears anything besides the smell Gawd gave 'em is committing a crime against nature just seems a bit extreme to me.

And, frankly, some of those aroma-therapy or "natural" scents mentioned above seem much worse than my little sploosh of Clinique or Crabtree & Evelyn. Vanilla and sandalwood both make me want to leave the room.

When I was in high school chorus, every girl around me seemed to bathe in Tabu or Shalimar (yick) and, admittedly, there were a couple of times, standing in concert under hot stage lights, that I thought I might barf or pass out. So I do understand the effect gallons of scent can have. However, it seems to me there's a distinction between that and a light bit of cologne.

I find certain men's colognes or aftershaves absolutely irresistible. I don't even know what it is, but there's one I've smelled, LIGHTLY, on a couple of different men and it makes me want to follow them home. I ought to, some day, ask what it is, but I'm afraid they'd take it the wrong way.

ww


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Mbo
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 10:11 PM

Hesperis, I think I need to take a cold shower after reading that! Woo!


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: sophocleese
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 10:34 PM

Peter T. You brought back memories for me. My mother, an elegant woman, used to wear expensive perfume, usually Chanel No. 5, I think, when she went out with my father to some dinner party or adult gathering. I can still smell her leaning over to kiss me goodnight before she went out the door.

After my first year of university I came home for a visit. Mom had carefully made up a bed for me but, unfortuneately, one of the cats sprayed the down quilt on my bed. She hung it up outside for a day to air it out and then drenched it in Chanel No. 5. It was one of the strangest nights of my life as I tried to figure out what the hell I was smelling. Perfume does NOT cover the smell of cat pee but it does make an unholy stench.


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: catspaw49
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 10:49 PM

So I'm in my first year of college and still dating "the girl back home" who sends me a letter a day, all drenched in "White Shoulders." She wore it tastefully and I loved the scent, but when you saturate an envelope in it........

Anyway, you could smell my PO box a mile away. After a few days, the scent died down a bit, but it was still strong. A lot of the guys liked the smell too and I started giving out envelopes they'd use as sachets in their dressers. Before too long, most of the dorm floor stunk of White Shoulders. On a Saturday when everyone was going out, it was a pretty heady atmosphere. The soap of the day then was Lifebuoy and the "preferred" scents were Jade East, English Leather, and Canoe. A quick spritz of Right Guard under each arm times about 35 guys plus the aroma of dirty socks and moldering beer.................I gotta' tell you, NO New Orleans cathouse could ever have smelled worse!

I think it would have killed several of you on this thread.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: WyoWoman
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 10:57 PM

Oops, Hesperis -- didn't mean anything personal. I just noticed that those were the two scents you mentioned. Just goes to show -- different strokes for different folkies.

Catspaw -- I think my parents realized that puberty might actually be a part of my life when I started spraying my stuffed animals with English Leather. I've seen it in the drug store since then, picked up a bottle to test it and, yes, it still produces vestigal lust ...

ww


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Alice
Date: 01 Sep 00 - 11:56 PM

For the last 12 years, I've used only one perfume, on the occasions when I do wear perfume, a tiny amount of "Beautiful" by Est‚e Lauder. The rest of the time I hope I just smell clean. Sandalwood and Patchouli make me gag. They smell like a 70's headshop ...too heavy, man. Eucalyptus oil, on the other hand, is what I use at night in the steamer to keep my sinuses happy.


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Margaret V
Date: 02 Sep 00 - 12:53 AM

Anyone with even a passing interest in scent would enjoy a well-researched and engagingly presented book by Edwin Morris called "Fragrance: The Story of Perfume from Cleopatra to Chanel." It was published by Scribners in 1984. I believe it's hopelessly out of print but there's always inter-library loan. . . Margaret


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 02 Sep 00 - 02:59 AM

Funny you should mention that about lavendar, I have a friend who, at the slightest whiff of the stuff will - in another friends colourful phrase "go at the crack in a plate". For me it does nothing except ease the stiff neck I get occasionally after a whiplash injury several years ago..... his partner keeps a little bottle secreted somewhere.... I don't think he's twigged this yet!

For me, THAT effect is had by a combination of dark Belgian chocolate and Body Shop Rosemary and chinchilla (well that's what it sounds like) shampoo. For another friend, it is Body Shop Eucalyptus, mint and Rosemary shampoo..... excuse me, need a cigarette now......

LTS


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Sep 00 - 08:53 AM

Hesperis, I am sorry I can't remember where you are located, but you asked about unscented shampoos, etc. Any kind of scented shampoo and conditioner makes my head itch, so I use Stonybrook Botanicals which I get at the healthfood store. There seem to be several places on the net including this one which carry it.

I also stumbled on a site which has a great deal to say about going "scent-free" and has links for all kinds of products with no scents, here.

Hope that helps.

kat


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: guinnesschik
Date: 02 Sep 00 - 10:37 AM

Usually, I do use deoderant, and scented shampoos (very lightly scented)and a blend of patchouli, rose, and vanilla that a perfumier mixed for me. I also, on occasion use a lilac,wisteria,sandlewood blend she also did (beautiful summery fragrance). Both in very tiny amounts, so you're only going to smell me if you're thisclose. Last night I tried lavender and bergamont after my shower before we went out, instead of deoderant (have to use something; it's 108 here). Himself (my spousal unit) LOVED it! Said I smelled like "his cuppa tea." So, thanks, Peg. Great advice!


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: catspaw49
Date: 02 Sep 00 - 10:46 AM

Geeziz.....all of this rose, lilac, wisteria............Are any of you ever attacked by Japanese Beetles?

Just curious........

Spaw


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Alice
Date: 02 Sep 00 - 11:00 AM

Liz, can you give us a translation of "go at the crack in a plate"?


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: guinnesschik
Date: 02 Sep 00 - 11:00 AM

No, because nobody can smell it but me (until it evaporates) and Himself, or anyone who chooses to hug me.

;-) Besides, I can handle any old beetle that might try to attack. Size 9 Doc Martens are lethal.


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: sledge
Date: 02 Sep 00 - 11:12 AM

Alice, this is I think similar to "he's so horny he would £#&& the crack of dawn"

Sorry for dragging this down into the gutter but she did ask.

Sledge


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Sep 00 - 01:10 PM

if it smells enough to hide the pheromones, it's too strong...*grin*


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: hesperis
Date: 02 Sep 00 - 01:52 PM

WyoWoman - No problem.

Kat - Thanks. Will check them out.

I just want to point out, in defense of my favorite scent, that Indian Sandalwood has a very light, sweet scent, and is nothing like the cheap, (I'm looking for a word) - overpowering stench of the normal stuff.
The normal stuff smells a bit more like patchouli or maybe camphor - that resinous, almost 'gritty', stick-to-your-nose smell. I bought a cheap incense once, and it almost made me gag.

If a scent harmonizes well with your natural body scent, it's going to be less offensive.
Particularly if you put barely any on...


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Peg
Date: 05 Sep 00 - 12:45 PM

hesperis:

true about sandalwood, there are cheap imitations about (same with patchouli and this is inexplicable since patchouli is not all that expensive to produce, unlike sandalwood)...the real stuff is usually from Mysore...

Also, when buying essential oils, price is a good gauge of quality. Sandalwood is rather expensive. Rose, neroli (orange blossom) and jasmine are VERY expensive if you get the real thing. Useful scents like lavender, lemon, orange, eucalyptus, peppermint, rosemary, are quite inexpensive...

re: using lavender and bergamot as deodorant; glad your beau likes it! Just remember, the straight essential oils may irritate skin after a while...you can add them to a spritz bottle with rosewater or witch hazel to dilute them...

re: vanilla. Real vanilla fragrance is hard to come by, most of what is out there is imitation...I find it a bit cloying in scents, even the real thing, as I prefer more savoury blends on men and women. Those fruity, coconutty hair products tend to make me gag...I am known for puuting essential oils into my unscented shampoos and lotions...in shampoos: tea tree is great for dandruff or itchy scalp, rosemary improves circulation and helps increase hair growth, grapefruit cuts through product build-up like gels, etc.

nice essential oil blend for skin lotion (Trader Joe's makes a very inexpensive one made with almond oil and other natural ingredients--I will not put anything containing mineral oil on my skin if I can avoid it) for men and women:

sandalwood
frankincense
sweet orange
clary sage
patchouli
lavender


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Jim Krause
Date: 05 Sep 00 - 02:20 PM

What do I do? I used to smoke a pipe. I found the most egregious blend with the most latakia I could find, then had the tobacconist add more. That stunk up the place and got rid of the perfume bathers, and cigarette smokers. Once in awhile there would be some body who actually liked my blend of pipe tobacco. Well, that was a few years ago. I quit smoking, cause I found out I was having problems in the higher registers of my voice. Now I just walk away, far away, like outside for example.


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: hesperis
Date: 06 Sep 00 - 12:22 PM

If you love vanilla - the stuff I use is pure vanilla extract, the same stuff as I use for cooking. The company that produced it is now making that synthetic crap, unfortunately.
If you find the extract, open the bottle and recap it, then let it sit in your cupboard for at least a year. It'll age and intensify the flavour/scent. It ends up really, really sweet, rich, full-bodied, and a little nutty. It's soooooo good!
Probably the alcohol used to extract it is what makes it age like that.


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Peg
Date: 06 Sep 00 - 12:39 PM

hesperis; you can also make your own extract by steeping a vanilla bean in vodka or brandy! You can also make vanilla sugar by putting a bean in with some sugar in a jar for a few weeks...I am told it is lovely in coffee, though I do not take sugar in my coffee, usually...

vanilla beans are pricey but a little goes a long way.


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: hesperis
Date: 06 Sep 00 - 02:31 PM

Peg - so that's why I love it so much! Must be the brandy! (Hmmmmm... This could be good...)


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 06 Sep 00 - 11:33 PM

When I was a kid,men had two options: Old Spice or Aqua Velva. I got a bottle of Old Spice for Christmas when I was 13 that my wife made me throw out about two months ago. Why do they give you so damn much of it? Unless you literally splash it on, there's enough Old Spice in a bottle to take care of the Cap'n, the Bosun, and everybody else on the damn ship throughout a 3 year voyage. Same thing with the bottles of Jade East,English Leather and Hi Karate I received during the Men's Cologne Renaissance of the mid 60's,which corresponded oddly enough with the Folk Revival. Coincidence....or something more?? Took me years to get rid of it. Can't we do something about all this excess cologne? It seems a shame that we Americans dump thousands of gallons a year down the drain,while bachelors in Albania go around smelling like goats.

I'm sorry...what was the question again?


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Subject: RE: NonMusic: Anyone with me on this?
From: catspaw49
Date: 06 Sep 00 - 11:51 PM

I use Bay Rum Leej. Karen loves it and its about 99% alchohol. Its so cheap that most places don't sell it. A 5 gallon bucket goes for about 2 bucks. Following a shave and a shower you splash it on by the handful and then proceed to do a wardance as the stuff burns in all those open pores. Avoid lighting a butt during the first few minutes lest the burning sensation become all too real. Within 15 minutes there is only a very light fragrance left that gets a lot of comments.....like, "What is that funky smell in here."

Spaw (but Karen loves it and that's good enough for me)


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