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Subject: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 06 Sep 00 - 11:41 PM

This is the weekend for the SF Festival of the Sea which will be the occasion for a gathering of Muddies. I'll attend the festival on Saturday (chanteyranger, can you save me a ticket for Saturday night?), but on Sunday I will probably go to the Fiddlin' and Pickin' potluck in Berkeley--and suggest that it might be an even better place for Muddies to actually jam together than the festival will provide. It will be at the home of Paul & Margo Cox at 890 Camilia, Berkeley, one block South of Gilman, corner of 7th. Exit I-80 at Gilman, drive about a half mile to 7th and turn right to Camilia. Pick up some munchies or some potabl


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 06 Sep 00 - 11:43 PM

Oh, I forgot: It runs from noon to 5 p.m. so there's plenty of time to eat before heading to the Starry Plough for the Irish session.

--seed


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: Big Mick
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 09:17 AM

Boy, would I like to be at this one.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: Catrin
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 09:33 AM

Oh! if the distance between us were not so great........


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: SeanM
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 12:51 PM

I know there'll be a few other 'catters there. Chanteyranger will be there, Elise (newer 'cat), and a few others. Sadly, I'm not gonna make it. Not having a car or anyone in the vicinity heading up makes 500 miles a bit hard to make...

Next year, though... someone'd better save me a seat, 'cause I'll be there if it means walking.

M


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: paddymac
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 05:06 PM

Sounds like a fine weekend is in store for 'cats in the Bay area. Hoist a pint of two for those of us too far away to make it, at least in the physical realm.


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: Elise
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 08:07 PM

Anyone wanting to go to the Chantey sing on Saturday night should call chanteyranger. Dunno if it's ok to give the number here. Anyone? You can always call info. for the Hyde St. Pier number. I got something in the mail that said reservations are required.


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: catspaw49
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 09:38 PM

Well Seed my friend....Pass on my best to all you see. It sounds like a great time that will be roundly enjoyed. If you can't pass on my best, than at least pass gas.....they'll know where it came from.

Enjoy yourselves gang!!!!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 09:50 PM

Pat, I got all the gas I need. Maybe they'll hire me for stage lighting...

--seed


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: catspaw49
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 09:56 PM

Well I was thinking as more of a greeting from me, but if that's the gig you're looking for................

It Has Worked For Others

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: Susan A-R
Date: 07 Sep 00 - 11:02 PM

Wish I could be there. Give Pam and Dave hugs for me, eat some weird Indian snack food and sing the one about the hermit and the hat for me, will ya?

Susan A-R


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 08 Sep 00 - 12:13 AM

It's all free to the public. It's even free to the private. Semi-recluses are also in free. Mudcatters performing on Saturday will be Dave Swan and his Swanettes (Oak, Ash and Thorn), rIGGY, and radriano, all in a drinking songs workshop Saturday aboard the ship BALCLUTHA 1:30-2:20, p.j. drumming with the San Francisco Scottish Fiddlers Saturday 10:30-11:00 am, 12:30-1:30, and 3:00-3:35 at three different locations on the site, and Winter's Wages may or may not be with Skip Henderson and the Starboard Watch 11:00-11:45 on the main stage, with his fluctuating work schedule. (415)556-6435 for the evening chantey sing, (reservations taken because of limited space aboard ship). Melani and Elise will be volunteering, and Joe Offer will be there, staying at radriano's place for the weekend. Plenty of jamming space both days, so fear not, BSeed (You're on the chantey sing gate list, Seed - see you there). There'll be 25 different acts with about 120 musicians and dancers total for the two days. Looking forward to seeing any mudcatters who can make it there.

-chanteyranger


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 08 Sep 00 - 12:53 AM

Awwww... I wanna go! Say hello to all the SFFMCers for me. Balclutha....sigh....

Aloha,
Mark


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: Susan A-R
Date: 09 Sep 00 - 11:02 PM

So how's it going??


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: GUEST,Barry Finn
Date: 09 Sep 00 - 11:42 PM

Ya, all the details on who was where & doing what & when were they doing it & to who & was it good & I wish I was there. Hope a grand time was had by all. Barry


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: WyoWoman
Date: 10 Sep 00 - 01:18 AM

With photos!

ww


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: Susan A-R
Date: 11 Sep 00 - 09:41 PM

C'mon, I mean, if we couldn't be there, we at least want to find out what we missed. (gearing up for a lovely whine.)


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: Melani
Date: 11 Sep 00 - 10:09 PM

You missed the best party in town. Fantastic singing, incredible fiddling, ethnic dancing (the Polynesian dancers stole the show!), beautiful boats and ships everywhere, fresh salmon for sale off the boats that caught them that morning. All my favorite people--old friends, new friends--the chantey sing one of the best I can remember, beyond hilarious. Chanteyranger can undoubtedly describe it more eloquently--I am close to speechless. All I can say is, you guys better start planning now to be there next year!


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 03:39 AM

Hey, can Chantyeranger sing "Paddy Lay Back" without cracking up in laughter?
Gee, it was fun. I met lots of extraordinary people. Chanteyranger even invited me to sing on stage with the chantey singers for the closing concert. That was an unexpected pleasure. We had perfect California autumn weather, too.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: radriano
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 11:26 AM

San Francisco's Festival of the Sea 2000 was a grand success. Multiple kudos to chanteyranger for a spectacular job of organizing. We even got to hear him play his new fiddle when he joined Celeste for a number in her concert spot!

Hey, Barry, I sang Roller Bowler at the Sunday night closing shanty concert. What a fine shanty it is - thanks for posting your version (previous thread) of it at Mudcat!

Radriano


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: radriano
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 11:36 AM

For those of you wanting a run down on what happened at the Festival of the Sea, just visit the Festival website:



Sorry, I forgot how to do the blue clicky thing.

Radriano


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: radriano
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 11:39 AM

Arggh! Sorry about that. The website for the Festival is:

www.nps.gov/safr/festival.html


Radriano


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: GUEST,Winters Wages
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 11:52 AM

Hey! Radriano, I loved that song Roller Bowler..I have been singing it all morning. Could you send me the words?? BTW Northwest Passage was great. Thanks so much. Too bad I messed up at the end but the Skipper is a bad influence on me plus my boss was there..He didn't help eithr lurking out in the audiance. The two groggs I had. It sure helps those "senior moments" to appear**BG Regards Winters Wages


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Subject: Lyr Add: ROLLER BOWLER^^
From: radriano
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 01:32 PM

Sure, Winters Wages. The version I sing is a compilation of Barry Finn's version and the versions found in Stan Hugill's "Shanties of the Seven Seas." If you search for "Roller Bowler" in the Forum threads you'll find Barry's version. It was posted earlier this year so you just have to filter for one year. For the chorus, Barry sings "Away you Roller Bowler" and I sing "Hooraw you Roller Bowler." I also shout out the "timme" in the chorus just because I don't get to yell enough in everyday life.

Roller Bowler (Good Morning, Ladies All)
Capstan shanty

As I rolled out one mornin'
Chorus: Hooraw, you roller bowler!
As I rolled out one mornin'
I met a dou-dou fair

Chorus:
Hooraw, you roller bowler
Timme high-rig-a-jig an' a ha-ha!
Good mornin', ladies all

Oh, I met her once in Liverpool
Oh, I met her once in Liverpool
That saucy gal of mine

Oh, the first time that I saw her
Oh, the first time that I saw her
'Twas down in Parkee Lane

She winked and tipped her flipper
She winked and tipped her flipper
She thought I was a Mate

But when she found that I was skint
But when she found that I was skint
She left me standing there

I squared me yards an' sailed away
I squared me yards an' sailed away
An' to the pub I went

The last time that I saw her
The last time that I saw her
Was down the waterside

Oh, you ladies short and ladies tall
Oh, you ladies short and ladies tall
I love you one and all

Radriano
^^

Clcik for related thread


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: WyoWoman
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 02:01 PM

Here Y'are

I'd like to reserve a sofa for next year, please. I'll bring my own shampoo. And radriano, I'm happy you got a chance to holler. I think I'll start a thread on Songs that Let You Holler. (e.g. Alabama John Cherokee and that good "Unh!" you get to do after the "way-he-yah"s)

WW


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: GUEST,Winters Wages
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 09:49 PM

Hey! Thanks Radriano, I love that sone. Would love to have a recording of you doing that. No fooling! It was great. I will make an effort to get to the next Sea Chanties. Work has been a bear but I am coming to an end there. After 30 years I will be saying "Adios" come Jan 1, In fact 31 years. See Ya (Cant wait to see the mug shots) Winters Wages.


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: GUEST,Winters Wages
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 09:51 PM

Sorry, I mean song**BG WW (Not to be confused with WyoWoman (Forgive me)


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: GUEST,Winters Wages
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 09:53 PM

Hey Thaks Radriano, problems sending this. It keeps returning . Will see Ya WW (Not to be confused with Wyo Woman Forgive me please)


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: Winters Wages
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 10:03 PM

Sorry, problems with the computer, Don't know why the other message came up. Anyway, I baked another "cookie" Hopes this helps Regards Winters Wages


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: GUEST,Barry Finn
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 11:07 PM

The whole thing just sounds so great, hats off to you chanteyranger for pulling off what sounds to have been an excellent time had by all.
Hi Radriano, so glad you thought well enough of the song to sing it as a closer. I still owe you big time & when I get a tape recorder (can't believe I don't have one anymore that works,,,, poor excuse I know) I'll send along the lovely harmonies to it that I got from Mareck & Shanty Jack.
Hey Joe, sounds like you're getting a good healthy dose of salt, glad you had a great time, see ya soon. Barry


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: Melani
Date: 13 Sep 00 - 12:30 AM

Joe--the answer to your question re: "Paddy Lay Back" is--no, not when radriano is there.


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Sep 00 - 01:49 AM

OK, I'm sure I heard a song over the weekend that I've been seeking for a long time. Two versions of the tune are in this thread (click). It was the tune for a chantey somebody sang - maybe it was Celeste. Can somebody tell me the name of the song?
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: radriano
Date: 13 Sep 00 - 11:26 AM

Hi Joe,

There's a sea song from the Great Lakes region called "The Bigler's Crew" that uses the same melody (almost) as "The Knickerbocker Line" - is that the one?

Regards,
Radriano


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: radriano
Date: 13 Sep 00 - 11:29 AM

Sorry, Joe, sometimes I'm just too quick with that "submit message" button.

The chorus to "The Bigler's Crew" is:

Watch her, catch her, jump on her juber ju
Give heer the sheet and let her slide
The boys will push her through
You ought to seen us howling
The winds were blowing free
On our passage down to Buffalo
From Milwaukee


I'm pretty sure the whole song is in the database.


Radriano


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Sep 00 - 01:24 PM

Oh, thank you, Richard! After all this time, I've finally found the song I was thinking of. It certainly is The Bigler's Crew. I heard it on a CD from Lee Murdock, Great Lakes folksinger extraordinaire.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: radriano
Date: 13 Sep 00 - 02:07 PM

Hey Melani, are you trying to tell me that the chorus to Paddy Lay Back isn't "Paddy lay back, take in your slacks...?

By the way, Melani and her daughter, Sarah, deserve some big time recognition for their part in the Festival of the Sea. They have been involved in the festival (and the Hyde Street Pier) for mucho years - not to mention always having a song ready to contribute at the shanty sings. You guys are great!!

Radriano


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: Marymac90
Date: 13 Sep 00 - 02:49 PM

Well, seed, Joe, and other folks, it does sound like a good time was had by all. If I were to hear of next year's fest enough in advance to get a cheap airfare, I might try to plan a CA trip at that time. I have family in Southern CA, and I know that's not CLOSE to SF, but it's a lot closer than PA. I take it that it's not a camping fest. Maybe I could get couch space too?

Marymac


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: Dave Swan
Date: 13 Sep 00 - 04:57 PM

Chanteyranger puts on quite an affair. The boys and I got to share a stage with RiGGy and radriano. We lead a workshop where the point was to sing drinking songs! What a scam. We loved it.

A big ol' chantey sing on the pier Saturday night ended the day's festivities with about ten of us stepping up to lead chanteys, one right after the other.

Met the affable Joe Offer. A friendly guy, bent on having a good time.

The night included a long session in the hold of C.A. Thayer, where none other than BSeed sprang up! I sat back to back with Winter's Wages, and every time one of us would head for a cheesy harmony, he'd find the other one already there. Lots of good laughs, lots of good songs. Ran into some old friends, had a great time, damaged a lot of single malt.

Can't wait for next year. Thanks to Chanteyranger and all the folks at Hyde Street.

Dave


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Sep 00 - 05:56 PM

BSeed sang "Titanic" (When the great ship went down) in a serious style, the way he insists it should be sung. He stopped a couple of times and chided us for singing in a "rousing" manner. It was really interesting to see what he did with the song. He has a simple, quiet, unassuming way of playing banjo and singing songs - and I like his style very much.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: GUEST,Winters Wages
Date: 14 Sep 00 - 10:49 AM

Yes, BSeed did a very good job on that piece. The Starboard Watch (The little group I play music with) does this song every Thursday at L.J.Quinn's Lighthouse and Pub in Oakland. BSeed used to come and sit in and play his harmonica on several of the tunes. He played that banjo nicely the other night. Was also a pleasure to meet you in person Joe. Swano is right, you were sure bent on having a wonderful time. Also, yes, thanks to Melani and her daughter for all the work they did in helping to put this event on. They spend a lot of time down there. I know that for a fact and you can always count on Melani on a tune or so. Great job Ladies and all who helped. Regards Winter Wages


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: WyoWoman
Date: 14 Sep 00 - 10:48 PM

I never would have taken Chanteyranger to be one for affairs, but if you say so, El Swanno, I'll take you at your word.

This is just sounding better and better all the time. I know for sure I'll have to figure a way to get there next year. Not that I'll be able to sing. The only remotely sea-faring song I know is "The Last Leviathan," which is sure to put a damper on things.

But I'm greatly enthusiastic on chorae, so I'll come be a hanger-on, rather than a devotee.

WyoWoman, who doesn't really mind getting mixed up with WintersWages, except that the facial hair tickles...


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 15 Sep 00 - 12:13 AM

Joe and Lloyd, thanks for the kind words. Actually, Joe, for half a century I have sung that song just as most everybody has, as a rollicking party song. It was while I was waiting for Peter (chanteyranger) to look my way that I got the idea of singing it as it was no doubt intended by its author--it is, after all, one of the greatest disasters ever brought about by man's hubris--two thirds of the three thousand people aboard died because the captain was an arrogant ass, the poor (such poor as might have been on the Titanic--probably tourist class rather than steerage--were locked down below as passageways were locked to slow down the flooding of the ship--so I thought maybe once it could be sung in memoriam of those who died (and I didn't really stop the singing to enforce my vision--I merely called out "Somebody's rollicking" after the first chorus and heard Peter respond "But it's a funny song...." The song and my history with it kind of took over--the pace began to accelerate and after the fourth verse and chorus, I started another chorus, and it was all the way back to the wild version I grew up with. My mother, who was nine years old when "the good ship went down," hated the lighthearted version of it, having grown up with the disaster a large part of her consciousness, particularly since it happened only a few short years after she had come to the US from Belfast.

But it was a great night, and I was sorry to have to leave with another hour and a half of music to go. What a wonderful place to sing that ship's hold is: the best accoustics I've ever experienced.

--seed


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 15 Sep 00 - 12:41 AM

Thank you for those kudos on the festival music, mudcatters. Having such a talented pool of musicians around makes my happy job alot easier. I was running around most of the time, but I did get to see a little bit of the drinking songs workshop, and it had the biggest audience of the BALCLUTHA workshops all weekend. I mean, there were alot of beer bellies out there. Oak, Ash, and Thorn, radriano, and rIGGY did a great job by all accounts - no surprise there. I know they were practicing hard for the drinking songs, and rehearsing some songs as well. The four music volunteers included three mudcatters - Melani and daughter Sarah, and new mudcatter Elise. We'll work on the 4th; Charlie Fenton. He would make a great contribution to mudcat discussions. The music volunteers and the 100 or so volunteers at the many parts of this festival all did a tremendous job. It was great to meet Joe Offer, and to have this gathering within a festival with the mudcatters was hopefully the start of an annual event. Of course, Wyo, there'll be a sofa reserved for you next year. Anything to get you to sit on my lap again, darlin.' (see events page photo - at Pam and Dave Swan's, April, 2000)


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: Sourdough
Date: 16 Sep 00 - 12:51 AM

WiWa:

Where is TJ Quinn's Lighthouse in Oakland? I am in Oakland once a week (almost always on Fridays though} but would like to stop in on those rare dates I am in Oakland a day early.

Sourdough


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 16 Sep 00 - 01:12 AM

It's at 51 Embarcadero Cove, on the waterfront, about a half-mile South of Jack London Square and nextdoor to Commodore Yachts. It's in a converted turn of the Century lighthouse, and the band plays in the upstairs bar and lounge. It's a very fun time. I played in the band for two years before I got the Park job, and it was a gas. Winters Wages used to come to our then other regular gig in S.F. on Tuesday nights as a listener, and was later invited into the band. He's a fine fellow and melodeon player/singer, and you will have a great time if you go see them.


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: WyoWoman
Date: 19 Sep 00 - 12:11 AM

Actually, Chanteyranger, if you'll check the Mudcat photos, you'll see that you were on top last time. I think turnabout's fair play ...

ww


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Subject: RE: Mudcats gather in San Francisco
From: Peter Kasin
Date: 19 Sep 00 - 12:53 AM

OK, Wyo - and I'll have bells on my...toes.


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