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Subject: Dixie From: Bud Savoie Date: 09 Sep 00 - 06:31 AM A young fellow from France contacted another thread looking for info on "Dixie," presumably the tune by Dan Emmett. H wants to know where he can get versions such as the original and later altered ones and recordings demonstrating them. He has difficulty with English, so how he is going to work his way through the threads I don't know. Can someone help? Bud |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dixie From: Sorcha Date: 09 Sep 00 - 09:12 AM Tell him to start a the Levy Site . I have sheet music I could transcribe into abc, if he reads that. Or another good place to start would be The Dixie General Store. A while back when we were looking for the "saltpeter song" John Harrolson, I found a lot of Confederate info using my search engine Copernic. I'll try again, and see what I come up with. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dixie From: Sorcha Date: 09 Sep 00 - 10:11 AM CSA net
Songs of the Civil War, Confederate Section.
Terry's Rangers, Confederate Songs, links at bottom.
Info about Emmett and the song There really is a lot out there on this, but I don't really know just how much Dixie (or Dixie's Land) has mutated. I would guess, not a whole lot. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dixie From: Bud Savoie Date: 09 Sep 00 - 12:52 PM Thanks, Sorcha. I'll start him off on this. Incidentally, the Skillet Lickers did a super version of Dixie on the County CD. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dixie From: catspaw49 Date: 09 Sep 00 - 01:25 PM There's a pretty good fest, Dan Emmett Days, about 35 miles from me in Mt. Vernon, Ohio. Dan Emmett both was born and died there, though he lived most of his life elsewhere, a lot of it in New York City. Just goes to show that its hard to get the Buckeye out of your blood. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dixie From: Bud Savoie Date: 09 Sep 00 - 02:40 PM Spaw,I don't suppose that the Dan Emmett fest has a website. Not that I think that the French fellow (whose name is Patrick. Go figure) will make it there, but if he can email them, he'll probably get more stuff about "Dixie" than he'll know what to do with. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dixie From: catspaw49 Date: 09 Sep 00 - 02:54 PM Bud my friend, I kinda' doubt it, although writing to them or the Knox County Library might be something. The Festival Home Page is HERE and they had some pretty good "other performers" this year although the Main attractions were pretty generic fare. Check "Other Performing Artists" and you'll see what I mean. The "Dan Emmett Homepage" can be linked from there and maybe contacting the visitors bureau or the library might be an idea. Sorry, I can't help more. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dixie From: Bud Savoie Date: 09 Sep 00 - 04:35 PM Thanks, Spaw, and I'll ship this off to Patrick. |
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Subject: ADD: Dixie's Land (original version) From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 17 Oct 01 - 01:06 AM The original of Dixie's Land, Daniel Decatur Emmett, has not been posted. The following is from the Library website, University of Toronto, partly from MS (in Galbreath, from Ohio State Archaeological and Historical Library). Emmett was the son of an Abolitionist. DIXIE'S LAND (Daniel Decatur Emmett) Dis worl' was made in jiss six days, An' finish'd up in various ways; Look away! look away! look away! Dixie Land! Dey den made Dixie trim an' nice, But Adam call'd it "Paradise." Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land! Cho.: Den I wish I was in Dixie! Hooray! Hooray! In Dixie's Land we'll take our stand, to lib an' die in Dixie. Away! Away! Away down south in Dixie. Away! Away! Away down south in Dixie. I wish I was in the land ob cotton, Old times dar am not forgotten; Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land! In Dixie Land whar I was born in, Early on one frosty mornin', Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land! In Dixie Land de darkies grow, If white folks only plant dar toe; Look away, etc. Dey wet de groun' wid 'bakker smoke, Den up de darkies heads will poke. Look away, etc. Missus married "Will de weaber"; Will he was a gay deceaber; Look away, look away, look away, Dixie Land! But when he put his arms around 'er, He look as fierce as a forty-pounder, Look away, look away, look away, Dixie Land! Ole missus die, -- she took a decline, Her face was de color ob bacon-rhine; Look away, etc. How could she act de foolish part, An' marry a man to broke her heart. Look away, etc. Den here's a health to de next ole missus An' all de galls dat want to kiss us; Look away, etc. Den hoe it down and scratch yoa grabble. To Dixie Land I'm bound to trabble. Look away, etc. grabble = gravel acc. I. Lancashire, Dept. English, Univ. of Toronto) Following verses substituted after "Missus married..." in 1860. Daniel D. Emmett, "Emmett's Inimitable Plantation Songs, Written and Composed for Bryant's Minstrels, of 470 Broadway, New York." (New York, Firth, Pond, 1860). His face was as sharp as a butcher's cleaber; But dat did not seem to greab her; Look away, etc. Ole missus acted de foolish part, And died for a man dat broke her heart: Look away, etc. Now here's health to de next ole missus, An' all the gals dat want to kiss us; Look away, etc. But if you want to drive 'way sorrow, Come an' hear dis song tomorrow; Look away, etc. Dar's buckwheat cakes an' Injin batter, Makes you fat or a little fatter; Look away, etc. Den hoe it down an' scratch your grabble, To Dixie's Land I'm bound to trabble; Look away, etc. Ref.: Galbreath, Charles Burleigh, "Daniel Decatur Emmett: Author of 'Dixie'." Fred J. Heer, 1904, Columbus, OH. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dixie From: masato sakurai Date: 17 Oct 01 - 10:57 AM There is a detailed discussion on "Dixie" in Hans Nathan's Dan Emmett and the Rise of Early Negro Minstrelsy (University of Oklahoma Press, 1962, 1977), chapter 16: "Dixie". ~Masato |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dixie From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 17 Oct 01 - 01:43 PM The attempts to rewrite Dixie's Land started early, with the publisher and Emmett himself. According to Galbreath, the original 1st verse was rejected by the publisher on religious grounds. The published version shows rewrite by Emmett to take out the comments about Negroes. (Was his father still alive at the time, 1860?) Subsequent rewrites to make the song palatable occurred up to the time of the "folksingers" in the 1950-1960 period. I am looking for the original of "Blue Tail Fly," which includes the line "To South Carolinar's sultry clime." which was in vol. 1 of the 12 vol. work on American song. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dixie From: GUEST,Marc B. Date: 17 Oct 01 - 03:49 PM As far as the tune is concerned, (I know nothing about the history of the words). Emmett, with a drummer named Geo. Bruce, wrote and published a book in I believe 1861, titled A Fifers and Drummers Guide by Geo. Bruce and Daniel Emmett. The book is still in print, and has a great version of Dixie with a 3rd part that I've never heard in minstrel or song versions. The book was accually used as a tutor by the union army, so is an important resource for Fifers and Drummers today |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dixie From: catspaw49 Date: 17 Oct 01 - 04:39 PM Thanks Dicho for some excellent info. Marc....Still in print? Far out! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dixie From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 17 Oct 01 - 07:32 PM Tried to find the "Guide" on Alibris and Abebooks. Have you a source or publisher? It would be much appreciated. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dixie From: Mad Maudlin Date: 18 Oct 01 - 01:05 AM Go to the Cooperman web site: Cooperman Fifes & Drums and look under "Fifes",if I'm not mistaken. Anyway, it's avialable there. It costs about $14. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dixie From: SINSULL Date: 18 Oct 01 - 10:44 PM Refresh |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dixie From: Irish sergeant Date: 19 Oct 01 - 11:19 AM My understanding is that Emmett, like his father before him was a staunch abolitionist. After the Confederacy adopted the song as it's unofficial anthem, Daniel grew to hate what the song had become and afterword, refused to listen to it, going so far as to supposedly write a very vitriolic anti-confederacy parody of the song that I have not yet been able to find or verify. If anyone out there know of the parody, let me know. By the way, why should you be surprised by a Frenchman named Patrick? if you look at their history, you find several expatriate Irish regiments in the French army up to at least the time of the Napoleonic wars. remnant of Irish names can still be found in France thanks to the flight of the wild geese. Have a great morning all! Neil |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dixie From: GUEST,Rex with restored computer Date: 19 Oct 01 - 12:15 PM Hello Neil, I am sure you are familier with "Union Dixie". For those of you who aren't it's in the DT database. So far as I know the author of it is still unknown. Moving along, check out the fine book "Way Up North in Dixie" by Howard and Judith Sacks. In chapter 5 it is claimed that Emmett did not write but approved a revision of Dixie written by Frances J. Crosby.
On! Ye patriots to the battle,
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Rex |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dixie From: GUEST,Rex, html challenged Date: 19 Oct 01 - 12:18 PM |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dixie From: GUEST,Rex, html challenged Date: 19 Oct 01 - 12:20 PM Now I put in the brk commands at the end of each line durn it! And it didn't just print them as text so I got something right. Someone tell me what I did wrong and I'll put it in again. Otherwise, note that the chorus starts with, "Go meet those Southern traitors...". Then it scans through. Rex |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dixie From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 19 Oct 01 - 01:47 PM Also computer-challanged, it took me a long time to figure out the "break." At the end of each sentence type in the symbol, left pointing arrow (above the comma), then type br, then the right facing arrow. Then hit enter for the next line. There is something out there called html that does a lot of things, but I have never seen instructions. If there is a manual, I would like to see it. There are some instructions in the permathreads at the top of the list of threads, but they were written by the knowledgeable for the knowledgeable. Irish Sergeant and Rex, see if your library has the book or can get on loan "Daniel Decatur Emmett...", by D. G. Galbreath, 1904. I imagine it is hard to get but I haven't checked the booksellers. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dixie From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 21 Oct 01 - 08:27 PM Rex and Dichco For line breaks you need to put <br> at then end of each line. Look at some of the previous threads on the subject of HTML (Put HTML in the Search) for explanations. There are threads where you can practice using the HTML commands. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Dixie From: Rex Date: 22 Oct 01 - 12:12 PM Ah, (br) ye say. I was typing in (brk) between the points. Just shows what can happen when ye think ye know whar yer doing. Rex, humbled again
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Subject: RE: Help: Dixie From: GUEST,Q Date: 28 Nov 02 - 06:23 PM A broadside with no date, author or publisher in the Levy Collection ends with the following verse: Sugar in de ground, and sticky butter, De whites grew fat and the niggers fatter; Look away, etc. Den hoe it down and scratch your grabble, In Dixie's Land I'm bound to trabble, Look away, etc. |
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Subject: Lyr Add: DIXIE'S LAND No 6 From: GUEST,Q Date: 28 Nov 02 - 07:31 PM A damnyankee version of Dixie's Land: DIXIE'S LAND No 6 I wish I was in Baltimore, I'd make secession-traitors roar, Away- away- away. Chorus- I'd send them all to Dixie, Away- away; Away down south in Dixie's land, Away down south in Dixiee. They want to have a revolution, But we'll fight for the Constitution; Away- away, etc. Jeff Davis has made a big fuss, He says he's spoiling for a muss, Away- away, etc I guess he'd better mind his eye, Or else we'll hang him up to dry. Away- away, etc. Chorus: He'll wish he was in Dixie, etc. When we go down to Baltimore, They'll simmer down and say no more; Away, Away, etc. We'll take our Bowie knife and gun, And shoot each traitorous mother's son, Away- Away, etc. Chorus: We'll send them all to Dixie, etc. We'll put the traitors all to rout, I'll bet my boots we'll whip 'em out; Away- Away, etc. Printed by Marsan, N. Y.. From Levy Sheet Music, Box 1193, Item 51. Chorus: They'll wish they were in Dixie, etc. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Dixie From: GUEST Date: 29 Aug 21 - 11:29 AM this is the 1859 song when 1859 a writer dan emit was writing a song there was no such thing as recording technique and folk want to sing this song but when folks want to sing this they want to play there pianos. the tune got more in other folk songs the first was a scots tune that is still played on accordion and fiddle in many shows the tune is played often in shows and it is a dance tune calld the dashing white sergeant, a tune that shows the first line of emit's 1859 song. in the 1950s many songs phrases of parts of dan emits song and writing there one words and the tune has been sung with new words were sung the time. among them were in 1955 pete seeger did a show and played this to gt to get folks ready for singing and scots songs were sung including a the dance of the sergeant was also turned to a song in the 7 and 7 and 8 and the rest the song has folks putting their own words and making them in to folk anthem this is to go and think that that we can do more to keep the the old songs alive . |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Dixie From: Donuel Date: 31 Aug 21 - 07:59 AM I have the original published piano version of the Boston Minstrels that first performed the song Dixie. It is decorative as popular music of that era was. It was found in the attic of a pre civil war home in upstate NY. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Dixie From: Bill D Date: 31 Aug 21 - 02:02 PM I do wish there was an equivalent to spell check for capitalization & punctuation. I am beyond weary of trying to read posts where no effort is made. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Dixie From: Brian Peters Date: 01 Sep 21 - 02:08 PM Josiah H. Combs, the early 20th century Kentucky folksong scholar, claimed that 'Dixie' was a 'Negro air', stating that "it was heard in the South before the Civil War and before Emmett and Hays 'composed' it." How reliable that is I don't know, since Combs was only born in 1886. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Dixie From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 01 Sep 21 - 03:22 PM Thoroughly unreliable, without lots more evidence. I've seen baseless claims - from published sources - that George F. Root's "Just Before the Battle, Mother" (1863) was "sung during the Crimean War," that "Frankie and Johnny" was sung at the siege of Vicksburg, and (of course) that Geoghegan's "Johnny, I Hardly Knew Ye" (1867) was sung in Ireland before 1805. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Dixie From: Lighter Date: 17 Sep 22 - 03:15 PM A Southern quip from the Civil War: Attakapas Register (Franklin, La.) (Sept. 5, 1861): "‘GRAND ARMY’ MARCH.—Lincoln’s army marched to Manassas to the tune of ‘I wished I was in Dixie;’ as soon as they got there…they left to the tune of ‘Git out the way, Old Dan Tucker.’” |
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