Lyr Req: Jack O'Rian the Fiddler

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jack O'Rian the Fiddler
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 13 Sep 00 - 02:40 PM

Both are on their way to you.  It's just occurred to me how similar Lloyd's tune is to  Donald, where's yer troosers.  Weird...

Malcolm

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jack O'Rian the Fiddler
From: Kathmandoobiedoo
Date: 13 Sep 00 - 09:32 AM

Thanks you posters and double posters! What great info! I would LOVE IT if you sent me a staff notation of the tune or a midi- either would be great. And if you come to Kathmandu the beers on me! (we actually have an Irish Pub AND Guiness!!!)

Willow

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jack O'Rian the Fiddler
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 09:13 PM

I'm not sure, either, but the beer sounds good.  Cheers!

Malcolm

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jack O'Rian the Fiddler
From: Sorcha
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 08:53 PM

That's gotta be a First firtst, Malcolm. Or would that be a first double, or a double first? Hell, I don't know! I'll buy you a beer for that one...........*grin*

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jack O'Rian the Fiddler
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 05:34 PM

Gosh, my first ever double-posting; and in a single box!  That's what happens when you take your fingers off "Ctrl+C" too slowly...

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Subject: Origins: Jack O'Rian the Fiddler
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 05:30 PM

This is what Lloyd had to say about the song, in the notes to his 1966 record, First Person (Topic 12T118), which also included his definitive versions of Sovay and Reynardine:

"In the roll call of famous musicians the sonorous name of the Bardd Glas Geraint -Geraint, the Blue Bard- occurs.  He was a 9th. century harper of such legendary eminence that when Chaucer wrote his House of Fame he set "the Bret Clascurion" up in the minstrels' gallery alongside Orpheus and similar well-known string-pickers.  That was in the 1380s, some 500 years after the harper's time, but his fame endured for much longer in the English folk ballad named Glasgerion.  The ballad dropped out of tradition long ago, but the story it tells is an engaging one (a modern and more demographic parallel is  Do Me Ama  ) and it seemed to me too good a song to be shut away in books, so I took it out and dusted it off a bit and set a tune to it and, I hope, started it out on a new lease of life."

Typically, he doesn't say whether the melody is his own or a modified traditional one.  I don't think I've ever heard it sung to guitar accompaniment, but it'll do you no harm to work out your own chords.  I can help with the melody, though, and will email you a .midi if you would like.  Bert Jansch and Pentangle used Lloyd's tune, but slowed it down a great deal.

Malcolm

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jack O'Rian the Fiddler
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 02:50 PM

A "Blue Clicky Thing" is Mudcat-speak for a hyperlink; you click on it and it takes you (provided whoever put it there got the URL right, and we've all got them wrong sometimes) somewhere else.  For lots more invaluable information, including how to search the Database and the Forum and where else to look for tunes, look at the FAQ thread at the top of the thread list on the main Forum page.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jack O'Rian the Fiddler
From: Liam's Brother
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 08:51 AM

You might like to know a little bit about "Jack Orion." It's not traditional in the strictest sense nor is it Irish.

I was in a band The Flying Cloud in the mid 1970s. We put it was on our Adelphi LP. The late A.L. Lloyd, one of the real mainstays of the modern folk revival in Britain rewrote an old Child ballad (i.e. The English & Scottish Popular Ballads) named Glasgerion, listed as #67 in Child, and turned it into "Jack Orion." It's a great piece of music. I hope you enjoy it.

All the best,
Dan Milner

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jack O'Rian the Fiddler
From: Kathmandoobiedoo
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 05:32 AM

Thanks a lot you guys, I'm so happy I got answered, this is great! but what exactly is the blue clickie for the song? And do you have a tune database or can someone send a sheetmusic and chords attachment to [e-mail]? Actually I've got two threads going on this now aaand I'd like to combine them but I suppose it will sort itself out.

Thanks, Willow

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jack O'Rian the Fiddler
From: Kathmandoobiedoo
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 05:23 AM

Thankyou for your help, now how do I get the tune I wonder?

Willow

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jack Orion the Fiddler
From: GUEST,Philippa
Date: 11 Sep 00 - 05:06 PM

Willow, it's fascinating to hear from you in Nepal. Threads on Mudcat usually don't get deleted; they are stored for two years. But only the threads which have been written on in the past day normally appear on the screen. On the main Mudcat Cafe page, you can set the filter for a longer period of time or use a key word to search for an old message.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jack O'Rian the Fiddler
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Sep 00 - 01:18 PM

Here is the first request and the blue clickie for the song.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jack O'Rian the Fiddler
From: GUEST,Kathmandoobiedoo
Date: 11 Sep 00 - 01:04 PM

I am sooooooooooooooooooooo happy to have found Mudcat because we have a small trad community here in Kathmandu and we always have trouble finding songs and such. But if anyone wants to visit we'd be glad to connect and show you round this wonderful Nepalese music scene! I wrote one of these yesterday and it got deleted so I'm hoping today to have more luck!

Willow Nicole Sherpa

Subject: Jack O'Rian the Fiddler
From: GUEST,Kathmandu
Date: 11 Sep 00 - 12:51 PM

Here I am living over the rainbow....I want to learn this song that haunts my friend from his Irish childhood. I need the tune and the words...can you help me? Write to [e-mail]

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jack O'Rian the Fiddler
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 10 Sep 00 - 08:03 AM

Using the various search facilities here, which I'd normally recommend, would have been rather difficult with the unusual spelling you have there.  The words for the Bert Lloyd version (later recorded by Martin Carthy) and the Bert Jansch/Pentangle one were posted in a discussion earlier this year; just click here:  Jack Orion.

Malcolm

Subject: Jack O'Rian the Fiddler
From: GUEST,Willow in Nepal
Date: 10 Sep 00 - 07:22 AM

Does anyone know the words and tune to this song? We have a hankerin to remember it but are too far over the rainbow to find it. please send any info to : [e-mail] Thankyou and Namaste,

Willow Nicole Sherpa

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-Joe Offer-