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Subject: Lyr/Chords Add: MODEL CHURCH ^^ From: wysiwyg Date: 11 Sep 00 - 04:38 PM Here's another from The Bluegrass Fakebook, with 150 songs, 50 of them gospel, for only $14.95, by Bert Casey, pub. Cassette & Video Learning Systems. MODEL CHURCH Traditional Medium Tempo, in 4-4 but with 2-4 phrases Well, wife I (G) found a (C) model (G) church and worshipped there to- (D) -day. It made me (G) think of the (C) good old (G) times before my (D) hair was (G) grey. The meeting (G) house was (C) finer (G) built than they were years a- D) -go, But I found (G) out when I (C) went (G) in, it was not (D) built for (G) show. The sexton did not set me down away back by the door, He knew that I was old and ill and saw that I was poor. He must have been a Christian man, he led me boldly through The long aisle of that crowded church to find a pleasant view. I wish you'd heard the singing choir, it had the old time ring. The preacher said with trumpet voice, "Let all the people sing." Old Correlation was the tune, the music upward rose, I thought I heard the angel choir strike on their harps of gold. I tell you, wife, it did me good to sing those hymnns once more. I felt just like some wrecked Marine who gets a glimpse of shore. It made me want to lay aside this weather beaten boat, And anchor in that blessed port, forever from the storm. Dear wife, the toil will soon be o-er, the victory soon be won. A shining strand is just ahead, our race is nearly run. We're nearing Canaan's happy shore, our hopes are bright and fair, Thank God we'll never sin again, there'll be no sorrow there. There'll be no sorrow there... In heaven above where all in love... There'll be no sorrow there. Discography: The Bluegrass Album Band - Volumne I Resist the temptation to sing it to the tune of Oh Susannah, if you can, cuz that is not the right tune. (But if you must, at least write a chorus that works!) ~S~ ^^ |
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Add: MODEL CHURCH From: GUEST,Owain Date: 11 Sep 00 - 04:44 PM Oh, Dear Jesus, I know you died for me So as I head for Heaven, I remember Calvary |
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Subject: Lyr/Chords Add: MODEL CHURCH (Yates/Excell) From: Joe Offer Date: 11 Sep 00 - 04:54 PM So, Praise, can you furnish a tune for us? Dick Greenhaus has no official utterances on how he'd like to see chords submitted. I might suggest that it's best to submit lyrics in text form, with the lyrics complete, unadulterated by chords and such. If you would like to include chords, that's wonderful - but it might be better to include them in a separate section AFTER the lyrics. Here's how I formatted the song for the database. Note that the title is all caps, and that the songwriter name or (traditional) is in the second line in parentheses. Background notes and chords are at the end. I've added the Digital Tradition categories appropriate to this song, and I put Susan's initials at the end. The closer you guys can get to this format, the less work it is for us to do the harvesting. You'll find guidelines for the DT format in the FAQ. Thanks. -Joe Offer- MODEL CHURCH (John Yates & E.O. Excell) Well, wife, I found a model church and worshiped there today. It made me think of the good old times before my hair was grey. The meeting house was finer built than they were years ago, But then I found when I went in, it was not built for show. The sexton did not set me down away back by the door, He knew that I was old and deaf and saw that I was poor. He must have been a Christian man, he led me boldly through The long aisle of that crowded church to find a pleasant pew. I wish you'd heard the singing’ wife, it had the old-time ring. The preacher said with trumpet voice, "Let all the people sing." “Old Coronation” was the tune, the music upward rolled, I thought I heard the angel choir strike all their harps of gold. My deafness seemed to melt away, my spirit caught the fire I joined my feeble trembling voice with that melodious choir And sang as in my youthful days "Let angels prostrate fall Bring forth the royal diadem and crown Him Lord of all." I tell you, wife, it did me good to sing that hymn once more. I felt like some wrecked mariner who gets a glimpse of shore. I almost want to lay aside this weather-beaten form, And anchor in the blessed port, forever from the storm. 'Twas not a flowery sermon, wife, but simple gospel truth It fitted humble men like me, it suited hopeful youth To win immortal souls to Christ, the earnest preacher tried He talked not of himself or creed, but Jesus crucified. Dear wife, the toil will soon be o’er, the victory soon be won. A shining strand is just ahead, our race is nearly run. We're nearing Canaan's happy shore, our hopes are bright and fair, Thank God we'll never sin again, there'll be no sorrow there. There'll be no sorrow there... In heaven above where all in love... There'll be no sorrow there. CHORDS Well, wife I (G) found a (C) model (G) church and worshiped there to- (D) -day. It made me (G) think of the (C) good old (G) times before my (D) hair was (G) grey. The meeting (G) house was (C) finer (G) built than they were years a- (D) -go, But I found (G) out when I (C) went (G) in, it was not (D) built for (G) show. Source: "The Bluegrass Fakebook," by Bert Casey; and Albert E. Brumley’s “Olde Time Camp Meetin’ Songs” Discography: The Bluegrass Album Band - Volume I Medium Tempo, in 4-4 but with 2-4 phrases Resist the temptation to sing it to the tune of Oh Susannah, if you can, cuz that is not the right tune. (But if you must, at least write a chorus that works!) Recorded by J.D.Crowe, Tony Rice, Doyle Lawson, Booby Hicks, Todd Philips @religious @gospel @bluegrass filename[ MODLCRCH PP SH BS (includes corrections submitted below by Barbara Shaw.) |
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Add: MODEL CHURCH From: wysiwyg Date: 11 Sep 00 - 05:08 PM I can't write in tunes yet, Joe. When I get my home computer back, or replaced, I hope to be able to learn how. I will add them then. Right here, of course. (Hey Joe, can you add some line breaks up top for me where the verse starts? Pretty please?) Owain, that's great. We're off and running now! ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Add: MODEL CHURCH From: wysiwyg Date: 11 Sep 00 - 06:29 PM OK, Joe, I'll do better next time! *G* ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Add: MODEL CHURCH From: Stewie Date: 11 Sep 00 - 06:43 PM It was also recorded by J.D. Crowe on his gospel LP of the same name - J.D. Crowe 'The Model Church' Sundown SDLP 038 - with arrangement by Doyle Lawson. Lawson, Larry Rice and Bobby Slone help out. I don't know whether it has been reissued on CD. --Stewie. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Add: MODEL CHURCH From: Barbara Shaw Date: 11 Sep 00 - 09:10 PM Model Church was already on the DT. Somewhere I found the songwriters to be John Yates and E.O. Excell, but don't remember where I got that source.
I also have two more verses. Right after "I wish you'd heard the singing choir" verse I have: |
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Add: MODEL CHURCH From: wysiwyg Date: 11 Sep 00 - 09:33 PM That's odd. I had done a search and it did not come up. Now it does. It's great to have the extra verses though. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Add: MODEL CHURCH From: Barbara Shaw Date: 11 Sep 00 - 09:37 PM Me again. My source is the Albert E. Brumley book "Olde Time Camp Meetin' Songs" copyright 1971, which I was lucky enough to find at a tag sale for 25 cents! It's really a great song. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Add: MODEL CHURCH From: Dale Rose Date: 11 Sep 00 - 09:40 PM Must be a different deal in Australia, Stewie. Here in the US, the J. D. Crowe was on Lemco 611, later released by Rebel ~~ it is available on CD, Rebel 1585. Info and RA here from Amazon ~~ leastways I THINK the link will work long enough for anyone who want to hear the song.
My info on writers is the same, Barbara. Hmmmm, did we just catch Joe not checking the DT???? Suppose we ought to tell Dick? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Add: MODEL CHURCH From: Dale Rose Date: 11 Sep 00 - 09:46 PM Praise, that seems to happen sometimes. I tried through loki the first time, and got an error message, then tried shorty and it worked ~~ twice even! Joe might even be able to use that reason/excuse. Can't tell you how many times I have "slaved" over lyrics, then looked in the DT afterwards! |
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Add: MODEL CHURCH From: wysiwyg Date: 11 Sep 00 - 09:47 PM Hey!!! Don't get me in any more trouble with Joe!!!!! And I really did check!! I HATE typing!!!! I would not have posted it! I blame God. If I hadn't posted the song, would we have got all this great info AND a sond clip? What a wacky God we serve, anyhow. Oh ALL RIGHT. I am speaking just for me. What a day. I'm gonna go hear that tune and go home singing it in the car!!! ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Add: MODEL CHURCH From: wysiwyg Date: 11 Sep 00 - 09:54 PM Bad Loki! Loki not my friend! Me no more go see Loki! *G* ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Add: MODEL CHURCH From: Mbo Date: 11 Sep 00 - 10:01 PM You think Loki is bad? Wait til you see his bad kids: Hela, Fenris Wolf and Jormundgand--the Midgard Serpent! Lookin' for Loki! Where's the Little Red Guy when you need him? |
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Add: MODEL CHURCH From: Stewie Date: 12 Sep 00 - 01:08 AM Hi Dale, looking further, Sundown is an English label of the Magnum Music Group and the record was issued under licence to Rebel. My then bluegrass supplier sent it to me and he had bluegrass records from all sorts of obscure labels. Good to hear that it is on CD. Cheers, Stewie. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Add: MODEL CHURCH From: Joe Offer Date: 12 Sep 00 - 02:44 AM Yes, Joe made the mistake of trusting that Praise had checked the database.... As my penance, I'll transcribe the tune and harvest the extra verses. I posted the modified lyrics above, with all the verses submitted by Praise, Barbara Shaw, and the database. I also referred to the Brumley book and changed a few of the words, since the Brumley version seemed to make more sense. "Old Coronation" is also known as All Hail the Power of Jesus' Name. The tag at the end is the chorus from another hymn, "There'll Be No Sorrow There." Does my penance include transcribing that one, too? You'll find a recording of "Model Church" here (click) - it's by a Dutch group called "Except 2." -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: Tune Add: MODEL CHURCH From: Joe Offer Date: 12 Sep 00 - 04:10 AM MIDI file: MODLCRCH.MID Timebase: 192 Name: The Model Church This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X:1
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Add: MODEL CHURCH From: Barbara Shaw Date: 12 Sep 00 - 07:51 AM Hey Joe, please change Bobby Hicks in the credits to have only one 'O' and three 'B's. Also, if those are my initials at the end (BS) I usually use BJS, so as not to be confused with/by you know what. It also helps me find my submissions in the DT by searching for the initials. Thanks for all your efforts. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Add: MODEL CHURCH From: wysiwyg Date: 12 Sep 00 - 10:38 AM Aw Joe. Penance??? Absolvo te. Mea Culpa. But I DID check, I really did. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Add: MODEL CHURCH From: Joe Offer Date: 13 Sep 00 - 02:05 AM Sorry you didn't catch me in time, Barbara. I already submitted the song, and it gets real confusing if I try to change it again. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Add: MODEL CHURCH From: GUEST Date: 16 Nov 10 - 03:46 PM All I want to know is if the old man in the song is writing a diary to his dear departed wife. |
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Subject: RE: ADD: Model Church From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 16 Nov 10 - 05:12 PM No, he isn't. He's bringing it upstairs, but that's just the beginning. Next she'll say that it would be so charming if it just had a little light in it. Then she'll buy some fabric to make a grassy field for it to set in. He will pass through the toy section at Walmart, and it will suddenly occur to him that a few toy cars could be parked in that grassy field to make it look like people are going to church. Then they will find some miniature Christmas trees, and then... I know. Believe me, I KNOW! |
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Subject: RE: ADD: Model Church From: GUEST,taylor4lwk Date: 17 Nov 10 - 09:59 AM No way! I don't think Walmart was around when this song was written, but I'd like to hear more. |
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Subject: RE: ADD: Model Church From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 17 Nov 10 - 12:37 PM Woolworth's then. The deep human urge to make miniature civilizations remains the same. =========== I refused to believe that there is a tune called Old Correlation. I did some checking, and the words "All hail the power of Jesus' name, let angels prostrate fall..." have been put to a tune called Coronation. http://www.hymnary.org/text/all_hail_the_power_of_jesus_name_let I believe the line above should say old 'Coronation.' |
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Subject: RE: ADD: Model Church From: GUEST,taylor4lwk Date: 17 Nov 10 - 12:51 PM So when he says "old model Church". that's exactly what he means. A small miniture model of an old Church. The rest, or most of it, is just imagination or pretend. Would never have guessed. Thank you! |
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Subject: RE: ADD: Model Church From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 17 Nov 10 - 01:48 PM You're welcome. You're welcome. Yes, it's a miniature church that he's found. When he says, 'The meeting house was finer built than they were years ago," he means that the model is fancier than an old country church would have been. I have a little town set up for the holidays. It has two churches. One is a modest clapboard church (The Church of the Dearly Beloved Brethren.) The other is fancier, and it doesn't have a name yet. In time it will have a miniature manger scene in front of it, but it's too early for that at present. Have you ever played "Here's the church, and here's the steeple?" You probably have. Did you know that after "see all the people" the index finger gives a sermon? It goes Dearly beloved brethren, is it not a sin, when we eat potatoes to throw away the skin? For the skins feed pigs; and the pigs feed you. Dearly beloved brethren, is this not true? |
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Subject: RE: ADD: Model Church From: Mark Clark Date: 28 Dec 12 - 10:54 AM One of the great things about the Internet and the Web is that, in spite of all the worthless tripe that permeates cyberspace, there are always dedicated people adding important and interesting material. When this thread began, there was little additional information available. Now I see the subject song, Model Church is included at a Web site called Historic Hymnals. I first heard Model Church on the Lemco J.D. Crowe LP back in the late 1960s and have wanted to sing it since then. But until now, I could never find a harmony singer willing to learn all the words and master the finer details of the Crowe recording. It's a song that is wonderful if performed perfectly but pretty tedious if perfection is not achieved. I think that's why there are relatively few recordings. The linked version even includes scans of the pages from the old hymnal. I see that the original melody was somewhat different than that used by Crowe and his successors. I much prefer the Crowe melody and harmonies. The lyrics from the linked hymnal straighten out some of the errors and mondegreens carried forward by tradition. I remember from my childhood that “All Hail the Power...” was always called “Old Coronation”, without reference to the fact that the song was set to the melody of an older composition called simply “Coronation”, so that reference in Model Church rings true for me. A surprise for me in the linked version of Model Church is that the refrain of Old Coronation is actually meant to be inserted in Model Church following the fourth verse. I've never heard Model Church sung that way. I think the lyrics make it clear that the old narrator has found an actual church that inspired his faith and harkened back to his youth. He's not speaking of an imaginary or ideal church but a real experience of what he considers the ideal church. - Mark |
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Subject: RE: ADD: Model Church From: dick greenhaus Date: 28 Dec 12 - 02:08 PM Joe et al- I have mixed feelings about including chords in the DT. There are many chord progressions possible for any melody, and I don't like to present an "official" one. If you wish to include chords with submissions, putting one verse (and chorus) with chords following a chordless list of lyrics is probably the easiest one to read. |
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Subject: RE: ADD: Model Church From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 28 Dec 12 - 02:53 PM Thanks for the link, Mark. I've made a MIDI file of the tune from 1890. It has a certain innocence which appeals to me. If anybody's interested, the MIDI can be posted in a few days. |
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Subject: Lyr Add: MODEL CHURCH (Saxe/Towne) From: Jim Dixon Date: 28 Dec 12 - 03:44 PM The sheet music can be seen in the Levy Collection: Click for PDF. Note that this version credits a different lyricist and composer that the version found by Joe Offer. THE MODEL CHURCH Words by J. G. Saxe; music by T. Martin Towne. Milwaukee: H. N. Hempsted, ©1872. 1. Well, wife, I've found the model church; I've worshiped there today. It made me think of good old time before my hair was gray. The meetin' house was fixed up more than they were years ago, But then I felt when I went in, it was not built for show. QUARTETTE:* Praise God, from whom all blessings flow 2. The sexton showed me to a seat, not way back by the door. He knew that I was old and deaf as well as very poor. He must have been a Christian, for he led me boldly through The long aisle of that crowded church to find a pleasant pew. QUARTETTE: Praise Him, all creatures here below. 3. I wish you'd heard the singing; ah! it had the old-time ring. The preacher said with trumpet voice, "Let all the people sing." The tune was "Coronation" and the music upward rolled. I thought I heard the angels striking all their harps of gold. QUARTETTE: Praise Him above, ye heav'nly host. Praise Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. 4. My deafness seemed to melt away; my spirit caught the fire. I joined my feeble trembling voice with that melodious choir And sang as in my youthful days, "Let angels prostrate fall. Bring forth the royal diadem and crown Him Lord of all." QUARTETTE: Bring forth the royal diadem and crown Him Lord of all. 5. How swift the golden moments fled within that holy place! How brightly beamed the light of heav'n from ev'ry happy face! Again I longed for that sweet time when friend shall meet with friend, "When congregations ne'er break up, and Sabbaths have no end." QUARTETTE: When congregations ne'er break up, and Sabbaths have no end. * The singers in the Quartette are to be behind the curtain, or in an adjoining room. |
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Subject: Lyr Add: JERUSALEM, MY HAPPY HOME From: Jim Dixon Date: 28 Dec 12 - 03:57 PM The last hymn quoted in the above song was not familiar to me, so I looked it up. From Additional hymns: adopted by the General Synod of the Reformed Dutch Church in North America by Reformed Church in America (New York: Rutgers Press, 1831), page 171: HYMN 171. C. M. The heavenly Jerusalem anticipated. 1. Jerusalem, my happy home, Name ever dear to me; When shall my labors have an end, In joy, and peace, and thee. 2. When shall these eyes thy heav'n built walls, And pearly gates behold? Thy bulwarks with salvation strong, And streets of shining gold? 3. O when, thou city of my God, Shall I thy courts ascend; Where congregations ne'er break up, And Sabbaths have no end. 4. There happier bowers than Eden's bloom, Nor sin, nor sorrow know; Bless'd seats, through wild and stormy scenes, I onward press to you. 5. Apostles, martyrs, prophets there, Around my Saviour stand; And soon my friends in Christ below, Will join the glorious band. 6 Jerusalem, my happy home! My soul still pants for thee, Then shall my labors have an end, When I thy joys shall see. |
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Subject: RE: ADD: Model Church From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 29 Dec 12 - 09:44 AM Thanks for posting those, Jim. I liked seeing the words from 1872. They came from Milwaukee, my home town. In the year 2000, Joe Offer posted an ABC for this song. Three days ago, Mark Clark gave a link to a version on the site Historic Hymns. Now you've given us a version on the Levy site. All three of these tunes are different. Me, I like the 1872 melody best. By the way, the words "Where congregations ne'er break up, and Sabbaths never end" is the same as "We'll take a cup of kindness yet for auld lang syne" -- you know, the song we sing on New Year's Eve. |
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