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Subject: Lyr Add: NEW RIVER TRAIN^^
From: wtbush@yahoo.com
Date: 20 Oct 99 - 07:49 PM

I have this great CD of Bill Munroe back in '39 and '40 with a version of New River Train, which I figure is classic blue grass. I get all the lyrics pretty clear except for one line in verse five:

NEW RIVER TRAIN

Darlin' you can't love but one (2X)
you can't love but one, and still have any fun
Oh, Darlin' you can't love but one

(Chorus) Ridin' on that New River train
Ridin' on that New River train
Same ol' train that brought me here
is soon gonna carry me away

Darlin' you can't love two (2X)
you can't love two, and in your little heart be true
Oh, Darlin' you can't love two (chorus)

Darlin' you can't love three (2X)
you can't love three, and still love me
Oh, Darlin' you can't love three (chorus)

Darlin' you can't love four (2X)
you can't love four, and love any more
Oh, Darlin' you can't love four (chorus)

Darlin' you can't love five (2X)
you can't love five, and get money from ??????
Oh, Darlin' you can't love five (chorus)

Darlin' you can't love six (2X)
you can't love but six, that kinda love don' mix
Oh, Darlin' you can't love six (chorus)

Darlin' you can't love but one (2X)
you can't love but one, and still have any fun
Oh, Darlin' you can't love but one

Can anyone fill in the blank?

Warren ^^

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: New River Train lyric request
From: Gene
Date: 20 Oct 99 - 09:46 PM

and get money from my hive


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: New River Train lyric request
From: Gene
Date: 20 Oct 99 - 09:47 PM

and get HONEY from my hive

would make more sense....


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: New River Train lyric request
From: Pete Peterson
Date: 21 Oct 99 - 09:22 AM

I hear that extra syllable in there--
"and get honey from my beehive"
I have listened several times for the "but" in Darling you can't love but one-- and never heard it. It's the only way the song makes sense. . . without that it is the national anthem of polyamory which I doubt is what Bill and Charlie had in mind. Wade Ward's version is completely instrumental


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: New River Train lyric request
From: Warrren
Date: 21 Oct 99 - 10:25 AM

Thanks again for the help. I agree. It is "Honey from my bee hive." That is definitely the meter that I hear, and it fits perfectly.

Also, on my CD of Bill and Charlie, I can hear the "you can't love *but* one" pretty clear, although I didn't I hear it the first few times. It is funny, I am originally from Kentucky, as is all of my family but I still have a little trouble picking out some of those lyrics. Love the music though. It is addicting.

Now if I could just find a good song book with Bill's mandolin riffs transcribed :)

Warren - wtbush@yahoo.com


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: New River Train lyric request
From: unclenort
Date: 21 Oct 99 - 11:18 AM

one more verse from doc watson:
darlin remember what you said(2x)
remember what you said, i'd rather be dead
than see you leavin' on that new river train
sung with a slightly different meter but it fits.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: New River Train lyric request
From: dulcimer
Date: 22 Oct 99 - 08:01 AM

Actually, isn't this one of those songs which you make up verses. I have a friend who has sung it since the 1940's and he goes up to not loving ten. And I have a tape which combines 2 through 5. Maybe there is no "right" way to sing it.


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Subject: I'm riding that New River Train
From: GUEST,black walnut
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 01:22 PM

Found in "Music for Fun, Music for Learning", by Lois Birkenshaw, the following song:

I'm riding that New River train.
I'm riding that New River train.
The same old train that brought me here
Gonna carry me home again.

(American Folk Song)

There must be more to this song....I am not sure I trust the tune provided, either. It sounds a bit stilted.

~black walnut


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I'm riding that New River Train
From: Ferrara
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 01:41 PM

I know that chorus too, slightly differently, but no clue about the verses. Refresh this thread in a couple of days if you still don't have it. There are so many folks in this group who know zillions of old songs, someone will know at least who sang it.

The tune I know is the same as

Oh darlin' you can't (actually, "cain't") love one
Darlin' you can't love one
You can't love one and have any fun
Oh darlin' you can't love one

Oh darlin' you can't love two
Darlin' you can't love two
You can't love two and still be true
Oh darlin you can't love two

I think "three" went, "You can't love three and still love me ..."

Come to think of it, these may really be the verses.

The way I learned the chorus was:

I'm ridin' on that New River Train
Ridin' on that New River Train
That same old train that brought me here
's Gonna carry me back again.

I'm not saying this is right. I'm just saying it's what I would sing unless somebody told me different.... ^^


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Subject: Lyr Add: NEW RIVER TRAIN ^^
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 01:52 PM

Can't love four and love me any more
Can't love five and get honey from my beehive
Can't love six cause that kind of love don't mix
Can't love seven and expect to get to heaven
Can't love eight and get through them pearly gates
Can't love nine and be a gal of mine
Can't love ten er'll have to sing this song again

And the umpteen variations on tose I've heard over the years. Lord knows which ones were "original." Make up your own!

Spaw ^^


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I'm riding that New River Train
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 02:07 PM

thanks....i knew it sounded familiar.

~'nut


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Subject: Tune Req: I'm riding that New River Train
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 03:49 PM

So, was there a tune somebody was going to submit????
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: Lyr/Tune Add: NEW RIVER TRAIN
From: Snuffy
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 06:15 PM

These words and tune are from the Penguin Book of American Folksongs (1964), compiled and edited with notes by Alan Lomax

Darlin' you can't love one
Darlin' you can't love one
You can't love one and have any fun
Darlin' you can't love one

Darlin' you can't love two
Darlin' you can't love two
You can't love two and to me be true
Darlin you can't love two

.. three and get along with me
.. four and come knocking at my door
.. five and get honey from my hive
.. six and keep me in this fix
.. seven and expect to go to heaven
.. eight and keep this business straight
.. nine and see me all the time
.. ten and be welcome here again

Lomax says Some hillbilly, who came to town and discovered the limitations of his ancestral Calvinism, began this rhyme, and it has kept on rolling by itself from coast to coast, to become the national chant of a rebellious American libido.

MIDI file: DARLIN.MID

Timebase: 480

Tempo: 180 (333333 microsec/crotchet)
Key: D
TimeSig: 4/4 48 8
Name: Darlin'
Text: B:The Penguin Book of American Folksongs
Start
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End

This program is worth the effort of learning it.

To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here

ABC format:

X:1
T:Darlin'
M:C|
L:1/4
Q:132
B:The Penguin Book of American Folksongs
K:D
FA2A|B2A2|D4|
FA2A|B2A2|E3E|
F2F2|D2DD|G2G2|B4|
FA2A|B2A2|D4|

Wassail! V


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I'm riding that New River Train
From: bflat
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 06:42 PM

I recall Pete Seeger singing the first lyric as:

Oh darlin' you can't love but one.

Changes things a bit making the lyrics that follow more of a comparison to loving one.

bflat


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I'm riding that New River Train
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 06:57 PM

Thanks, Snuffy - I sent the tune off to Mudcat MIDIs, for the MIDITEXT-impaired.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I'm riding that New River Train
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 12 Sep 00 - 07:12 PM

Holy cow! A "rebellious American libido"?! Who sent that boy out to do what kind of work?! I want to see his notebook.

Dani


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I'm riding that New River Train
From: GUEST,Pete Peterson at work
Date: 13 Sep 00 - 11:36 AM

yes, the Monroe Brothers (from whom most of us learned this, directly or indirectly) did indeed sing "darling you can't love one" and not "love but one".
which makes it a great polyamory song, although that word would not be invented for another fifty years


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I'm riding that New River Train
From: Stewie
Date: 13 Sep 00 - 08:04 PM

I provided some info on a couple of old-time recordings of it here:

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--Stewie.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I'm riding that New River Train
From: Dale Rose
Date: 13 Sep 00 - 09:56 PM

Here is a somewhat interesting side track. Despite its name, the New River is actually one of the oldest rivers in North America. It flows north from North Carolina through Virginia into West Virginia, where the best known sections are. Trains still run through the Gorge via Amtrack. Each summer U S Forest Rangers board the trains to provide information about the sights along the way and the history of the river.

The New River is also noted for its white water rafting. Each year approximately 100,000 people gather on the third Saturday of October for Bridge Day at New River Gorge Bridge, which has a central span of 1,700 feet and a total length of 3,030 feet,rising 876 feet above the riverbed. One of the main attractions is that on that day, BASE jumpers are legally permitted to jump from the bridge.

I know, not all that much to do with the song, but many think it is the TRAIN that is new, rather than the RIVER!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I'm riding that New River Train
From: Dale Rose
Date: 13 Sep 00 - 09:59 PM

Amtrak ~~ I knew that.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I'm riding that New River Train
From: Dale Rose
Date: 23 Oct 00 - 02:00 AM

I have been looking for a picture to illustrate the time and place of the New River Train. I located several more modern pictures, but finally have found one that will have to do. This picture from 1906, carries the inscriptions Greetings from Gauley Bridge, W. VA. at the top and New River at Gauley Junction at the bottom. The train running through the New River Gorge is a bit hard to spot but you can easily see the plume of smoke from the stack ~~ look for the engine at the right of the picture on the far bank.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I'm riding that New River Train
From: Alan of Australia
Date: 16 Nov 00 - 08:28 AM

G'day,
Thanks to Snuffy & Joe the tune for "New River Train" can be found here at the Mudcat MIDI site.

Cheers,
Alan


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I'm riding that New River Train
From: Pixie
Date: 16 Nov 00 - 08:41 AM

Raffi,who sings/records songs for children, was where I first heard the song, and his version is alot of fun, basically the same as the others, and I can't remember which recording its on......

Pixie


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Subject: Lyr Add: NEW RIVER TRAIN
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Jan 02 - 08:15 PM

Lyr Add: NEW RIVER TRAIN

The verse with the incomplete line in the post by W. T. Bush should read:
Oh, darlin', you can't love five,
Oh, darlin', you can't love five,
You can't love five and get honey from my beehive,
Darlin', you can't love five.

More verses:

Oh, darling, the time ain't long,
Oh, darling, the time ain't long,
The time ain't long, till I'll be gone,
Gone away on that New River Train.

Oh, darling, remember what you said,
Oh, darling, remember what you said,
Remember that you said, you had rather see me dead,
Than see me in my rough and rowdy ways.

Oh, darling, you can't love two,
Oh, darling, you can't love two,
You can't love two and your little heart be true,
Oh, darling, you can't love two.

Oh, darling, come kiss me at your door,
Oh, darling, come kiss me at your door,
Come and kiss me at your door, for it's time that I must go,
For I thought I heard that west-bound whistle blow.

The above version, by Ernest Stoneman and the Sweet Brothers, 1928, is from "Long Steel Rail," by Norm Cohen, 1981, p. 466-469, Univ. Illinois Press.
Earliest reports of the song come from Virginia. The Ward Family, of Galax, VA, claimed that the song became part of their repertoire in about 1895. The song probably refers to one of the two New River companies chartered by the Norfolk and Western and that worked in the 1880s). The earliest recording (and publication) was by Henry Whitter, of VA, in 1923 (similar to the Stoneman version).
Whitter's version counted up to four; in 1925 a version by Kelly Harrell of the same area went up to six. The version quoted from Bill Munroe is Harrell's. Later, Vance Randolph collected a version that went up to ten. (All data from Cohen)
@railroad @bluegrass @cheating lover


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